The Briefing Room
General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: EC on May 25, 2017, 08:05:10 am
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Fox News host Sean Hannity is going on vacation for the remainder of the week amid controversy over his decision to promote unconfirmed reports linking murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich and his unproven communication with WikiLeaks.
It’s unclear if the vacation was preplanned.
“The Five” co-host Kimberly Guilfoyle announced on Wednesday she would be filling in for Hannity during his absence.
While he promised to back off the story out of respect for the Rich family Tuesday night, Hannity is facing threats of advertiser boycotts — and at least two advertisers have already cut bait. So far, Cars.com and Peloton have requested that their advertisements no longer air during “Hannity.”
More: http://ijr.com/2017/05/881677-speculation-swirls-sean-hannity-announces-sudden-vacation-amid-fox-news-turmoil/
Shades of O'Reilly.
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Can we play the "Guess where Sean is going on vacation" game?
What do I win?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDvxPsdtNDM
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He's trying to Kamikaze his contract so he can better serve Orange Glorious.
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He's dead, Jim.
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Foxnews was the only major media which wasn't trying to kill Trumps campaign. The globalists will have their pound of flesh and will prevent that from happening next time. The new bosses at Fox are definitely not conservative but destroying a successful business should get the attention of the shareholders. Like the Saudis.
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Hannity's plummeting IQ has hit critically low levels.
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Sean said he was making a long weekend of it yesterday on his radio show. The radio and tv shows are two separate deals so if Fox was sending him to pasture, he would still do the radio.
That doesn't mean the Murdoch Bros are not going to can him Saturday and give his slot to Ed Schultz. It would be a lot trickier for FOX because Sean has a rabid fan base and one of the top rated national radio shows. Sean could really ruin their day.
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Maybe Beck will give him a five minute spot on his show.
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What ever happened to Bill's amazing comback he promised? He did one podcast and poof, we never heard from him again.
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What ever happened to Bill's amazing comback he promised? He did one podcast and poof, we never heard from him again.
I don't quite understand why conservatives would take pleasure in the demise of Fox. While Fox certainly wasn't perfect it was the only voice out there not solidly behind the leftists.
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He's trying to Kamikaze his contract so he can better serve Orange Glorious.
Would not surprise me in the least.
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I don't quite understand why conservatives would take pleasure in the demise of Fox. While Fox certainly wasn't perfect it was the only voice out there not solidly behind the leftists.
And now it's not.
People liked Fox because they weren't like the other networks and blatantly sold out for one candidate or party. People really did believe their "Fair and Balanced" tagline.
All that changed last year.
Now they are neither fair or balanced.
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I don't quite understand why conservatives would take pleasure in the demise of Fox. While Fox certainly wasn't perfect it was the only voice out there not solidly behind the leftists.
I didn't say I took pleasure in the demise of Fox. Plus, BORe has always said he isn't Conservative, he is a populist and a tabloid reporter at best.
At that, I would be most happy if Fox took a 360 from their tabloid journalism as of late, brought in many of the hosts from Fox Business, and blew the socks off everyone else.
We are seeing the result of their playing in the gutter with National Enquirer type reporting along with replacing news with ranting and editorializing.
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Maybe Beck will give him a five minute spot on his show.
He gets an hour every Friday in the 2nd hour.
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And now it's not.
People liked Fox because they weren't like the other networks and blatantly sold out for one candidate or party. People really did believe their "Fair and Balanced" tagline.
All that changed last year.
Now they are neither fair or balanced.
^^^^^^^ THIS!
I dumped it all last year. Limbaugh, Levin, Fox - the whole so-called pretend Conservative gamut of radio and TV blowhards.
Better to read the news than have it spoon-fed to you and spun into whatever angle the Party mucks and Propagandists want you to think of it.
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And now it's not.
People liked Fox because they weren't like the other networks and blatantly sold out for one candidate or party. People really did believe their "Fair and Balanced" tagline.
All that changed last year.
Now they are neither fair or balanced.
My last day watching FOX was the day that those morons sat there nodding like bobbleheads as Trump blatantly lied and accused Rafael Cruz of being involved with the JFK assassination. A real news network would have asked some followup questions or investigated the claims or something but FOX wasn't interested in any of that icky news reporting stuff.
Instead CNN picked up the ball. Jake Tapper 's report showed that they had done actual research and the dates alone showed it impossible for Rafael Cruz to be involved. Trump himself told Wolf Blitzer that he never believed the Rafael Cruz story but "I wanted to win". (that's called lying for the ethically challenged among us)
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^^^^^^^ THIS!
I dumped it all last year. Limbaugh, Levin, Fox - the whole so-called pretend gamut of radio and TV blowhards.
Better to read the news than have it spoon-fed to you and spun into whatever angle the Party mucks and Propagandists want you to think of it.
Yeah, but it was alright for everyone when these outlets were pimping for Bush, McLame and Romney.
You guys are very consistent.
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Yeah, but it was alright for everyone when these outlets were pimping for Bush, McLame and Romney.
You guys are very consistent.
Rush never pimped anyone until this year. Even though he said in the past he'd vote for the eventual GOP candidate.
He took flack in 2010 for his criticism of McCain during his campaign from the typical RINO's.
He was critical of Romney in the area of healthcare and some of his Liberal background as well.
But this year Rush sold out...and it was blatant. And so after 12 years of being a 24/7 subscriber...I cancelled.
Mark is still going after Trump when he screws up...which is often.
There is nothing inconsistent about what I've said or done where this is concerned.
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Rush never pimped anyone until this year. Even though he said in the past he'd vote for the eventual GOP candidate.
He took flack in 2010 for his criticism of McCain during his campaign from the typical RINO's.
He was critical of Romney in the area of healthcare and some of his Liberal background as well.
But this year Rush sold out...and it was blatant. And so after 12 years of being a 24/7 subscriber...I cancelled.
Mark is still going after Trump when he screws up...which is often.
There is nothing inconsistent about what I've said or done where this is concerned.
Great. You cited one in a flimsy sort of way because at the end of the day Rush was pushing the hell out of Bush/McLame/Romney. Had them call in and told everyone to vote for them.
FOX was so into McLame and Romney that Obama went off on the channel numerous times in speeches. So now they are bad because once again they went all in for the GOP candidate? Get the hell out of here.
You are just upset because you hate Trump. If Bush was the candidate and the same people were pimping them no one here would say jack shit about these outlets going in the tank for the GOPer.
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Fox News is currently in third place in ratings. And they are still purging. The channel today is nothing at all like it was two years ago when they were number one in ratings by a huge gap. It took a lot of work to go from being far and away number one to number three and falling. But, the owners of Fox persevered and got the job done.
Congratulations I guess? If that's what they were trying to do, they did a great job. If that was not what they were trying to do, then they are idiots.
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Great. You cited one in a flimsy sort of way because at the end of the day Rush was pushing the hell out of Bush/McLame/Romney. Had them call in and told everyone to vote for them.
FOX was so into McLame and Romney that Obama went off on the channel numerous times in speeches. So now they are bad because once again they went all in for the GOP candidate? Get the hell out of here.
You are just upset because you hate Trump. If Bush was the candidate and the same people were pimping them no one here would say jack shit about these outlets going in the tank for the GOPer.
Frank I listened everyday back then.
Rush never did any of that.
Stop making stuff up
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Soon FNC will have Chaffets as their latest trump fan.
Wondering too if Nunes will also jump out of congress if the kitchen gets too hot. Despite recusing himself he is visiting the CIA for the latest information they have on the trump/Russia connection Seemingly the republicans are too craven to force him to stop.
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Someone (I think it were @Frank Cannon , but not sure) said on another thread that the Murdoch boys are killing the golden goose the old man bred, like a lot of second gen businesses.
Considering their sheer lack of ability - have a look at the Star TV eff up - he's not wrong.
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Someone (I think it were @Frank Cannon , but not sure) said on another thread that the Murdoch boys are killing the golden goose the old man bred, like a lot of second gen businesses.
Considering their sheer lack of ability - have a look at the Star TV eff up - he's not wrong.
I will take credit for that statement. 2nd gen businesses fail at 70% and 3rd around 90%.
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Someone (I think it were @Frank Cannon , but not sure) said on another thread that the Murdoch boys are killing the golden goose the old man bred, like a lot of second gen businesses.
Considering their sheer lack of ability - have a look at the Star TV eff up - he's not wrong.
I was reading an article yesterday about how badly James had mucked things up over there when daddy put him in charge.
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Yeah, but it was alright for everyone when these outlets were pimping for Bush, McLame and Romney.
You guys are very consistent.
When it appeared they were supportive of Conservative positions, they were the few places to tune in that wasn't blatant Liberal/Marxist pap.
Since Trump, now, it's okay if blatant liberal/Marxist pap is spewed when it's a Republican doing it, and they made it blatant. The overt cheerleading was over-the-top ridiculous to the point that they all lost any objectivity or discernment whatsoever IMO.
Rush sold out blatantly to Trump during the primary season and the moment he said to a woman last July that if she didn't vote for Trump she was voting for Hillary is when I cancelled my 24/7 and turned him off for good.
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Wherever Sean went on vacation, it surely has an average temperature higher than his IQ.
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Wherever Sean went on vacation, it surely has an average temperature higher than his IQ.
If it doesn't it's to damn cold for vacationing!
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Wherever Sean went on vacation, it surely has an average temperature higher than his IQ.
I hear Baffin Island is lovely at this time of year.
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I hear Baffin Island is lovely at this time of year.
Yes, it is. And its penguins are smarter than most radio hosts.
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Meh - radio hosts get a bad rap, in my book. They're cunning enough to convince people they're worth listening to, despite the evidence.
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Someone (I think it were @Frank Cannon , but not sure) said on another thread that the Murdoch boys are killing the golden goose the old man bred, like a lot of second gen businesses.
Considering their sheer lack of ability - have a look at the Star TV eff up - he's not wrong.
I've read (and posted on another thread a few weeks ago) that the Murdoch family is looking to buy out the remaining shares of ITV as well. In the UK, they have different standards regarding approval for purchases and they have to pass a standards board to show they will provide 'fair' news coverage so there is some behind the scenes cleaning house of what the board could consider overt bias in any direction, especially towards a foreign government administration.
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I've read (and posted on another thread a few weeks ago) that the Murdoch family is looking to buy out the remaining shares of ITV as well. In the UK, they have different standards regarding approval for purchases and they have to pass a standards board to show they will provide 'fair' news coverage so there is some behind the scenes cleaning house of what the board could consider overt bias in any direction, especially towards a foreign government administration.
If they get the nod, money has changed hands. The Murdochs already control 40% of the UK media, both high end and tabloid.
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Wherever Sean went on vacation, it surely has an average temperature higher than his IQ.
I'm not sure. I went on vacation were it was in the high 80's but the humidity was murder.
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As I have mentioned before.....Murdoch's British publication News of the World was involved in trials, fines, and terrible press for hacking into phone messages of a family whose child was kidnapped and murdered.
I am sure they have no desire to create that situation here in the US.
P.S. Can't remember if their publication was News of the World or News of the Day. (senior memory)
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I posted yesterday about the recent purchase of Tribune by Sinclair.
No attention here of course, since it wasn't anti-Trump, but Sinclair is a BIG US media concern.
Combined they are even bigger. Sinclair is conservative, btw.
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I will take credit for that statement. 2nd gen businesses fail at 70% and 3rd around 90%.
Why do you suppose that is? Is it a legitimate case of "you didn't build that" and therefore, a matter of not valuing something you didn't have to work for, but was handed to you on a silver platter? Or.... are some of the spawn of some of these millionaires just simpering, spoiled brat morons. Or both.
Or.... is it an issue of most millionaires and their offspring being rabid lefties. Lefties that value nothing more than power. Destroying Fox News as a conservative source of news would be a show of force and proof of power. And since they are already too rich to fail, they won't miss the revenue from Fox News once it's gone. Dunno.
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P.S. Can't remember if their publication was News of the World or News of the Day. (senior memory)
News of the World, AKA News of the Screws for it's relentless focus on sex.
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Meh - radio hosts get a bad rap, in my book. They're cunning enough to convince people they're worth listening to, despite the evidence.
That's true but if you continually put out a public persona that makes you look like a moron, what are we supposed to think?
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I don't much care for Hannity, but I do care about the forces that would have him destroyed.
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Hannity, like his hero, DT, bring their troubles on themselves.
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^^^^^^^ THIS!
I dumped it all last year. Limbaugh, Levin, Fox - the whole so-called pretend Conservative gamut of radio and TV blowhards.
Better to read the news than have it spoon-fed to you and spun into whatever angle the Party mucks and Propagandists want you to think of it.
I have not listened to Levin in quite some time. It so bad that even TGO is turned off? I guess it is.
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I don't much care for Hannity, but I do care about the forces that would have him destroyed.
Agreed.
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I have not listened to Levin in quite some time. It so bad that even TGO is turned off? I guess it is.
Levin was the last one I dumped. He may be a true Conservative and has much to teach - but he kept threatening to bolt the GOP and always ends up endorsing whatever liberal they front and I just couldn't take him seriously anymore. Bitching and moaning about someone you endorsed to millions and voted for, knowing they were a lifelong NY liberal Democrat is a bit silly and stupid in my estimation and he degraded my respect for him as a result.
Rush was worse - but Levin finally brought the whole charade of talk radio and Conservative media into focus for me and it's no different than what the Leftists do.
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Levin was the last one I dumped. He may be a true Conservative and has much to teach - but he kept threatening to bolt the GOP and always ends up endorsing whatever liberal they front and I just couldn't take him seriously anymore. Bitching and moaning about someone you endorsed to millions and voted for, knowing they were a lifelong NY liberal Democrat is a bit silly and stupid in my estimation and he degraded my respect for him as a result.
Rush was worse - but Levin finally brought the whole charade of talk radio and Conservative media into focus for me and it's no different than what the Leftists do.
Yup, I'm done with all of them.
I can decide what to read and think for myself. As far as I'm concerned, pundits have all the value of movie critics with none of the entertainment value. They're detrimental to the civic awareness of the population.
I suspect Jefferson would include the likes of Hannity, Limbaugh and others in his critique of the press because contrary to popular belief, they are part of that very same media they attack as "fake news".
To your request of my opinion of the manner in which a newspaper should be conducted so as to be most useful, I should answer ‘by restraining it to true facts & sound principles only.’ yet I fear such a paper would find few subscribers. it is a melancholy truth that a suppression of the press could not more compleatly deprive the nation of it’s benefits, than is done by it’s abandoned prostitution to falsehood.
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Why do you suppose that is? Is it a legitimate case of "you didn't build that" and therefore, a matter of not valuing something you didn't have to work for, but was handed to you on a silver platter? Or.... are some of the spawn of some of these millionaires just simpering, spoiled brat morons. Or both.
Or.... is it an issue of most millionaires and their offspring being rabid lefties. Lefties that value nothing more than power. Destroying Fox News as a conservative source of news would be a show of force and proof of power. And since they are already too rich to fail, they won't miss the revenue from Fox News once it's gone. Dunno.
A three generation rule is that the first generation works hard and takes risks to build something, the second plays it safe to preserve what they have and the third squanders it.
There's probably much truth to that rule.
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Would not surprise me in the least.
@txradioguy
He may take Spicer's place.
I just won $945.65 at a casino.
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I don't watch Fox news (I don't watch ANY television news), but it looks like they're sinkin' faster than Sears...
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@txradioguy
He may take Spicer's place.
I just won $945.65 at a casino.
@Victoria33 he lost another sponsor today. USAA dropped him.
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I don't much care for Hannity, but I do care about the forces that would have him destroyed.
QFT
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^^^^^^^ THIS!
I dumped it all last year. Limbaugh, Levin, Fox - the whole so-called pretend Conservative gamut of radio and TV blowhards.
Better to read the news than have it spoon-fed to you and spun into whatever angle the Party mucks and Propagandists want you to think of it.
YEP Welcome. I've been right there since Romney.
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Levin was the last one I dumped. He may be a true Conservative and has much to teach - but he kept threatening to bolt the GOP and always ends up endorsing whatever liberal they front and I just couldn't take him seriously anymore. Bitching and moaning about someone you endorsed to millions and voted for, knowing they were a lifelong NY liberal Democrat is a bit silly and stupid in my estimation and he degraded my respect for him as a result.
Rush was worse - but Levin finally brought the whole charade of talk radio and Conservative media into focus for me and it's no different than what the Leftists do.
@INVAR
I used to listen to Levin with the Tune-In app on my phone, but I stopped a while ago... probably during the primaries... I was tired of him saying "one more inch" and he was done with the GOP.
His one more angry inch to go is about 26.1 miles past my already leaving the Republican party.
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No talk radio, no FNC.............all was going well until some folks began insisting that if we didn't support DT, we were haters. Seems I have turned into a snowflake. I really do prefer people to state their opinion without showering insults on those with whom they disagree.
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No talk radio, no FNC.............all was going well until some folks began insisting that if we didn't support DT, we were haters. Seems I have turned into a snowflake. I really do prefer people to state their opinion without showering insults on those with whom they disagree.
That ignorant pig Jeanine Pirro is another who declared that those who don't vote for Trump are committing some kind of act of betrayal. That was on the eve of the NH primary.
Now that FOX news and individual talking heads collapse, Trumpers are acting like some shadowy outside force is doing it. I can't really blame them though. The alternative is to accept the reality that Trumpism isn't nearly as popular as they want it to be despite approximately half of those who bothered to vote voting for him.
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@Victoria33 he lost another sponsor today. USAA dropped him.
I would think that would hurt USAA more then Hannity.
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I would think that would hurt USAA more then Hannity.
Until he loses viewers they won't cut him. At least not for losing a couple advertisers. They should have a list of companies who want to buy ad time.
The greater risk to his show are the people trying to destroy Foxnews.
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[quote author=INVAR link=topic=264380.msg1336221#msg1336221 date=1495726117
Rush sold out blatantly to Trump during the primary season and the moment he said to a woman last July that if she didn't vote for Trump she was voting for Hillary is when I cancelled my 24/7 and turned him off for good.
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You and I on the same day. I actually received an e-mail a few days ago urging me to come back. Ha!
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Advertisers are where the dollars are in broadcasting.
They are loathe to deal with letters and complaints when they can put their money where there is no controversy.
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[quote author=INVAR link=topic=264380.msg1336221#msg1336221 date=1495726117
Rush sold out blatantly to Trump during the primary season and the moment he said to a woman last July that if she didn't vote for Trump she was voting for Hillary is when I cancelled my 24/7 and turned him off for good.
You and I on the same day. I actually received an e-mail a few days ago urging me to come back. Ha!
My last Rush day was Rush saying Trump was a conservative because he was a billionaire, loved freedom, and had a reality show. The show was on 9/11 in 2015. I knew he was a fraud at that moment.
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My last Rush day was Rush saying Trump was a conservative because he was a billionaire, loved freedom, and had a reality show. The show was on 9/11 in 2015. I knew he was a fraud at that moment.
We don't know that Trump is a billionaire but we do know that he's no more conservative than actual billionaire George Soros.
If anything, Trump most closely fits the mold of Fabian socialist.
Fabian socialists want to remake the world in their own image for our own good whether we like it or not. They also tend to think of themselves as gods.
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No talk radio, no FNC.............all was going well until some folks began insisting that if we didn't support DT, we were haters. Seems I have turned into a snowflake. I really do prefer people to state their opinion without showering insults on those with whom they disagree.
@Rivergirl
My experience is that it is the NeverTrump people that can't talk politics without throwing in a personal attack or two. See the post right below yours for an example.
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I would think that would hurt USAA more then Hannity.
Yup I am dropping my USAA coverage.
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Yup I am dropping my USAA coverage.
Seriously? Because they don't support Sean Hannity?
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I would think that would hurt USAA more then Hannity.
Not really. USAA is a military only financial institution.
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Yup I am dropping my USAA coverage.
Have fun with GEICO or one of those other insurance companies with the cutesy ads in TV that are big time donors to Liberals and buy radar detectors for local LEO's.
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@Rivergirl
My experience is that it is the NeverTrump people that can't talk politics without throwing in a personal attack or two. See the post right below yours for an example.
Remind me again which side calls people democrats traitors and Hillary supporters colluding with the MSM to overthrow a President instead of actually discussing the meat of a political topic?
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Remind me again which side calls people democrats traitors and Hillary supporters colluding with the MSM to overthrow a President instead of actually discussing the meat of a political topic?
Yes. Because they have told us in the last few days, they hate those of us who will not walk in lock-step with them. Either we fully support Trump and do not discuss anything that can be seen as a negative, or we are Democrats, traitors, conspirators, Coup supporters and haters.
This is war to them, and their only targets are those of us who refuse to seig-heil with them. Because refusing to budge on Foundational principles are declared to be damaging to Trump and the party and the future of the USA.
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@Rivergirl
My experience is that it is the NeverTrump people that can't talk politics without throwing in a personal attack or two. See the post right below yours for an example.
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Ridiculously stupid post. GeronL and Cripplecreek are constantly the subject of personal attacks in here.
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Ridiculously stupid post. GeronL and Cripplecreek are constantly the subject of personal attacks in here.
Fortunately I grew up at a time when we learned "Sticks and stones" so its easy to ignore insignificant trashy people. :shrug:
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Yup, I'm done with all of them.
I can decide what to read and think for myself. As far as I'm concerned, pundits have all the value of movie critics with none of the entertainment value. They're detrimental to the civic awareness of the population.
I suspect Jefferson would include the likes of Hannity, Limbaugh and others in his critique of the press because contrary to popular belief, they are part of that very same media they attack as "fake news".
To your request of my opinion of the manner in which a newspaper should be conducted so as to be most useful, I should answer ‘by restraining it to true facts & sound principles only.’ yet I fear such a paper would find few subscribers. it is a melancholy truth that a suppression of the press could not more compleatly deprive the nation of it’s benefits, than is done by it’s abandoned prostitution to falsehood.
Had Hannity or Limbaugh been around during the Constitutional Convention they would have complained about it back then.
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God Bless Hannity and Limbaugh, never heard them turn their back on the unborn like the blowhards yelping about them do, like these so-called conservatives do.
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Had Hannity or Limbaugh been around during the Constitutional Convention they would have complained about it back then.
Its kinda cute the way the lil Trumpers are all threatening that FOX will lose millions of viewers if they fire Hannity. Its a threat that rings hollow to a network that has already lost millions of viewers due to the likes of Hannity.
From what I've read Breitbart is also in freefall dropping from a ranking per views of around 30th to nearly 300th in the past 18 months.
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Ridiculously stupid post. GeronL and Cripplecreek are constantly the subject of personal attacks in here.
See you just HAD to throw in a personal attack (Ridiculously stupid post) how NeverTrump of you.
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Had Hannity or Limbaugh been around during the Constitutional Convention they would have complained about it back then.
Only about a third of the population initially supported the war against British.
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Yes, the cry babies have blood on their hands from abandoning the sanctity of life, they fool no one, they might as well be Demon rats. Next thing, these jokers will tell us is that they are Christians as well.
This is not how Sean and Rush have acted, what do you expect these jokers to do but back stab high profile Conservatives?
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Ridiculously stupid post. GeronL and Cripplecreek are constantly the subject of personal attacks in here.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
Because they constantly throw insults and try to turn every single thread to a Trump thread.
The thread on the Manchester bombing. When called out because he was cracking jokes one of them called anyone offended a terrorist and a pedophile.
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Not really. USAA is a military only financial institution.
Hannity is one of the strongest backers of active duty and vets. Shame on USAA for caving to the military hating progressive Marxist left. USAA can go to hell.
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The attacks on USAA are similar to the vile attacks on any prominent person who dared to disapprove of DT. Just remember David French and don't forget that he wasn't the only one being attacked with vicious threats.
Progressive Insurance is available for those who don't support the insurance company for our veterans.
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The attacks on USAA are similar to the vile attacks on any prominent person who dared to disapprove of DT. Just remember David French and don't forget that he wasn't the only one being attacked with vicious threats.
Progressive Insurance is available for those who don't support the insurance company for our veterans.
Good grief
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Hannity is one of the strongest backers of active duty and vets. Shame on USAA for caving to the military hating progressive Marxist left. USAA can go to hell.
Shame on Sean for pushing a false narrative even after the family begged him to stop.
No advertiser wasn't to be associated with crap like that.
Sean is completely round the bend now...he's doing this to himself.
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The attacks on USAA are similar to the vile attacks on any prominent person who dared to disapprove of DT. Just remember David French and don't forget that he wasn't the only one being attacked with vicious threats.
Progressive Insurance is available for those who don't support the insurance company for our veterans.
Bingo.
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Remind me again which side calls people democrats traitors and Hillary supporters colluding with the MSM to overthrow a President instead of actually discussing the meat of a political topic?
This.
The other day as I was reading the forum, it crossed my mind that I haven't seen so many accusations of "hate" since I used to argue with liberals on the old AOL politics boards.
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Its kinda cute the way the lil Trumpers are all threatening that FOX will lose millions of viewers if they fire Hannity. Its a threat that rings hollow to a network that has already lost millions of viewers due to the likes of Hannity.
From what I've read Breitbart is also in freefall dropping from a ranking per views of around 30th to nearly 300th in the past 18 months.
@Cripplecreek
Steve Deace wrote a short article in which he said that leftists have always been after conservative media, but Hannity brought on his problems by becoming a nutcase conspiracy theorist. And he's right.
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Shame on Sean for pushing a false narrative even after the family begged him to stop.
No advertiser wasn't to be associated with crap like that.
Sean is completely round the bend now...he's doing this to himself.
Funny how most NeverTrumpers have all the DNC talking points down pat yet they claim to be conservatives. There is zero evidence to support the botched robbery theory being pushed by the DNC.
OAN is now on the case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdjFUJMopeQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdjFUJMopeQ)
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Yes, the cry babies have blood on their hands from abandoning the sanctity of life, they fool no one, they might as well be Demon rats. Next thing, these jokers will tell us is that they are Christians as well.
This is not how Sean and Rush have acted, what do you expect these jokers to do but back stab high profile Conservatives?
While you guys condemn personal attacks, be sure to include this one's habitual accusations that those who didn't vote for Trump are not pro-life and have blood on their hands.
Personally, I don't care because I realize he's nuts, but if you want to be consistent...
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Funny how most NeverTrumpers have all the DNC talking points down pat yet they claim to be conservatives. There is zero evidence to support the botched robbery theory being pushed by the DNC.
OAN is now on the case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAA9Gy2SXdg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAA9Gy2SXdg)
/snicker
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than an Orange Lobotomy.
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@jpsb
OAN is now on the case...lol, seriously?
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Funny how most NeverTrumpers have all the DNC talking points down pat yet they claim to be conservatives. There is zero evidence to support the botched robbery theory being pushed by the DNC.
OAN is now on the case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAA9Gy2SXdg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAA9Gy2SXdg)
Call me crazy but I see a possible connection here http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,264529.msg1336814.html#msg1336814
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@Cripplecreek
Steve Deace wrote a short article in which he said that leftists have always been after conservative media, but Hannity brought on his problems by becoming a nutcase conspiracy theorist. And he's right.
@CatherineofAragon
And he is correct.
Virtually everything touched by Trumpism rots.
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Call me crazy but I see a possible connection here http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,264529.msg1336814.html#msg1336814
Ok. Explain how the Chinese are now involved.
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Ok. Explain how the Chinese are now involved.
Not sure yet but It is strange that a LONG time Clinton operative gets outed and shortly there after Seth gets shot. Think what you want.
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Not sure yet but It is strange that a LONG time Clinton operative gets outed and shortly there after Seth gets shot. Think what you want.
coincidence is a lot stranger than you seem to be able to imagine. I don't see anything more than coincidence. And you haven't provided any facts that say otherwise, just desperate political fetish.
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Funny how most NeverTrumpers have all the DNC talking points down pat yet they claim to be conservatives. There is zero evidence to support the botched robbery theory being pushed by the DNC.
OAN is now on the case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdjFUJMopeQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdjFUJMopeQ)
There's nothing but tinfoil and a lot of WAG's by those pushing the discredited myth Sean Hannity was blubbering about too.
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@jpsb
OAN is now on the case...lol, seriously?
Attacking the source and not the content?
The DC police called it a "botched robbery". Dear reader, what exactly is a botched robbery? Mr. Seth Rich was shot, he was on the ground, no one was calling for help, and he was left on the ground with his watch, his cell and his wallet on his person.
Why? So everyone would know it was NOT a robbery, NOT a "botched robbery" he was left in his own pool of blood as an example. You mess with the DNC and you also will be lying in your own pool of blood.
Attacking the source and not the content? More on Seth (http://www.pravdareport.com/opinion/columnists/28-05-2017/137841-seth_rich-0/)
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coincidence is a lot stranger than you seem to be able to imagine. I don't see anything more than coincidence. And you haven't provided any facts that say otherwise, just desperate political fetish.
I've noticed an inordinate number of "coincidences" occurring where Clintons are involved but you can ignore whatever suits you.
I'm still a member of the VAST right wing conspiracy! Still have my badge and everything!
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@CatherineofAragon
And he is correct.
Virtually everything touched by Trumpism rots.
My husband and I were agreeing on that point thirty seconds ago.
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Not sure yet but It is strange that a LONG time Clinton operative gets outed and shortly there after Seth gets shot. Think what you want.
I don't see a connection, also that woman was appointed by Bush.
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Attacking the source and not the content?
The DC police called it a "botched robbery". Dear reader, what exactly is a botched robbery? Mr. Seth Rich was shot, he was on the ground, no one was calling for help, and he was left on the ground with his watch, his cell and his wallet on his person.
Why? So everyone would know it was NOT a robbery, NOT a "botched robbery" he was left in his own pool of blood as an example. You mess with the DNC and you also will be lying in your own pool of blood.
Attacking the source and not the content? More on Seth (http://www.pravdareport.com/opinion/columnists/28-05-2017/137841-seth_rich-0/)
/snicker
A "botched robbery" is a perfect description for a mugging that went bad because the mugger's gun went off when he didn't expect it to and he shot a victim he had no intention of shooting. At that point the would-be mugger is more likely to flee in panic without taking the time to grab the wallet and the jewelry than he is to hold down his panic and rifle the dying man's pockets.
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Not sure yet but It is strange that a LONG time Clinton operative gets outed and shortly there after Seth gets shot. Think what you want.
How about the fact he lives in a city with an extremely high crime rate?
They were in a "crime emergency" status while I lived there.
Something g to do with the Deputy Mayor (D) being robbed at gunpoint in broad daylight on the National Mall a murder happening within sight of the Capitol Dome and Metro Homicide investigating one murder and they hear the gunshots of a second murder two blocks away.
Chief Lanier set up a military ste traffic control point on one neighborhood because the crime was so bad.
This kids murder had more to do with where he lived and worked than all of the tin foil conspiracy BS I see flying around d.
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Fox News host Sean Hannity is going on vacation for the remainder of the week amid controversy over his decision to promote unconfirmed reports linking murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich and his unproven communication with WikiLeaks.
It’s unclear if the vacation was preplanned.
“The Five” co-host Kimberly Guilfoyle announced on Wednesday she would be filling in for Hannity during his absence.
While he promised to back off the story out of respect for the Rich family Tuesday night, Hannity is facing threats of advertiser boycotts — and at least two advertisers have already cut bait. So far, Cars.com and Peloton have requested that their advertisements no longer air during “Hannity.”
More: http://ijr.com/2017/05/881677-speculation-swirls-sean-hannity-announces-sudden-vacation-amid-fox-news-turmoil/
Shades of O'Reilly.
I'm pretty sure that Hannity always takes the week of Memorial Day off for vacation. How is this being spun as "news".... much less as news that Hannity is leaving Fox? I'm confused. Since Hannity is a fervent supporter of Trump, is this just a bit of moist-dreaming on the part of the anti-Trump crew?
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/snicker
A "botched robbery" is a perfect description for a mugging that went bad because the mugger's gun went off when he didn't expect it to and he shot a victim he had no intention of shooting. At that point the would-be mugger is more likely to flee in panic without taking the time to grab the wallet and the jewelry than he is to hold down his panic and rifle the dying man's pockets.
Rich was shot multiple times. Shot once maybe a mistake shot two or three times? Deliberate.
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I don't see a connection, also that woman was appointed by Bush.
You OBVIOUSLY don't know who Candace Marie Claiborne is.
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Rich was shot multiple times. Shot once maybe a mistake shot two or three times? Deliberate.
No not necessarily. It depends on what caliber the gun was that was used.
And you've watched too many TV crime shows.
Most shootings don't involve one bullet being fired.
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Rich was shot multiple times. Shot once maybe a mistake shot two or three times? Deliberate.
Perfectly consistent with someone who got too jazzed up and pointed a loaded gun at someone whom they didn't really mean to shoot. Unless the gun in question was a single action revolver with a heavy trigger, multiple shots don't definitively differentiate between intentional shooting and adrenaline-amped reactive shooting. Even the cops in NYC have a bad habit of letting their auto-pistols get away from them and unloading an entire clip without thinking.
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coincidence is a lot stranger than you seem to be able to imagine. I don't see anything more than coincidence. And you haven't provided any facts that say otherwise, just desperate political fetish.
What isn't coincidental is the need for a conspiracy theory to distract from the collapsing of the Trump administration. They desperately want to blame the media, Soros, and liberals but nobody is more responsible than Trump and his most avid supporters. To make matters worse, we warned them for 18 months that this would happen if a man so clearly lacking in intelligence, tact, morality, civic and constitutional knowledge.
The right wing media collapse is a reflection if the growing unpopularity of Trump.
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What isn't coincidental is the need for a conspiracy theory to distract from the collapsing of the Trump administration. They desperately want to blame the media, Soros, and liberals but nobody is more responsible than Trump and his most avid supporters. To make matters worse, we warned them for 18 months that this would happen if a man so clearly lacking in intelligence, tact, morality, civic and constitutional knowledge.
The right wing media collapse is a reflection if the growing unpopularity of Trump.
This thread was immediately derailed from Hannity and Fox News to Never Trump. You led the derailment and have obsessively, irrationally persisted in the same Never Trump rant you engage in thread after thread.
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You OBVIOUSLY don't know who Candace Marie Claiborne is.
You are correct, I haven't the slightest idea I just read that she was appointed by W
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@jpsb
Attacking the source and not the content?
Sorry, but I don't think OAN is any more objective than Hannity. During the campaign, OAN was openly against the coverage of the p-grabbing tape, and they came out against Megyn Kelly for questioning Trump at the debate. They also hired Corey Lewandowski.
The DC police called it a "botched robbery". Dear reader, what exactly is a botched robbery? Mr. Seth Rich was shot, he was on the ground, no one was calling for help, and he was left on the ground with his watch, his cell and his wallet on his person.
I can tell "dear reader" what a botched robbery is if OAN can't figure it out. It's a robbery that goes wrong for some reason and isn't completed. Rich was found with none of his belongings missing. A string of robberies had occurred in that particular area, and in fact, Rich was murdered on a street corner where two robberies occurred earlier. The police believe it was a botched robbery and there's no other evidence to believe otherwise.
Why? So everyone would know it was NOT a robbery, NOT a "botched robbery" he was left in his own pool of blood as an example. You mess with the DNC and you also will be lying in your own pool of blood. [/i]
Again, there's no evidence to believe that---just a strong desire for it to be so.
Attacking the source and not the content? More on Seth (http://www.pravdareport.com/opinion/columnists/28-05-2017/137841-seth_rich-0/)
You're talking about sources, and you're using PRAVDA to try and bolster your argument? Are you kidding me?
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This thread was immediately derailed from Hannity and Fox News to Never Trump. You led the derailment and have obsessively, irrationally persisted in the same Never Trump rant you engage in thread after thread.
A lot of these NeverTrumper are a sick bunch. Here we have an unsolved murder of a Washington DC DNC staffer and they do not want a through investigation to find the killer(s). And why? Because it just might turn out the Seth Rich not the Russians are responsible for Wikiwleaks getting the DNC emails. They would rather a murder goes free then lose the DNC/Hillary "the Russians did it" talking point/fairy tale.
Wikileaks has flat out stated that no state actor (Russians) had any role in their getting the DNC emails.
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A lot of these NeverTrumper are a sick bunch. Here we have an unsolved murder of a Washington DC DNC staffer and they do not want a through investigation to find the killer(s). And why? Because it just might turn out the Seth Rich not the Russians are responsible for Wikiwleaks getting the DNC emails. They would rather a murder goes free then lose the DNC/Hillary "the Russians did it" talking point/fairy tale.
Wikileaks has flat out stated that no state actor (Russians) had any role in their getting the DNC emails.
Wikileaks??
Seriously?
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The other day as I was reading the forum, it crossed my mind that I haven't seen so many accusations of "hate" since I used to argue with liberals on the old AOL politics boards.
@CatherineofAragon
It is a caution. And it needs to be said over and over again.I am not familiar with Conservatives who are fond of the term, or the argument. Not very long ago, one would have been laughed off of Conservative sites for such a pointless and infantile accusation.
What an embarrassment.
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I'm pretty sure that Hannity always takes the week of Memorial Day off for vacation. How is this being spun as "news".... much less as news that Hannity is leaving Fox? I'm confused. Since Hannity is a fervent supporter of Trump, is this just a bit of moist-dreaming on the part of the anti-Trump crew?
@XenaLee
I think you're right...I haven't watched Fox in, I don't know, maybe a year and a half. But I think I recall that the Fox headliners always take off at least a week for most holidays. We'll see what happens.
But if he does get canned, he can thank himself for it.
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@CatherineofAragon
It is a caution. And it needs to be said over and over again.I am not familiar with Conservatives who are fond of the term, or the argument. Not very long ago, one would have been laughed off of Conservative sites for such a pointless and infantile accusation.
What an embarrassment.
@roamer_1
I agree. It's a tactic to try and shut down argument. Doesn't work, though.
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So, if I get it right, OAN is arguing it can't be a botched robbery because it were a botched assassination? Bit circular, that.
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coincidence is a lot stranger than you seem to be able to imagine. I don't see anything more than coincidence. And you haven't provided any facts that say otherwise, just desperate political fetish.
WHAAAAT? You want FACTS??
How quaint.
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Wikileaks??
Seriously?
@txradioguy
Oh, come on. You mean you don't trust that famously anti-American source which got Americans and our allies killed? /s
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@jpsb
You're talking about sources, and you're using PRAVDA to try and bolster your argument? Are you kidding me?
@CatherineofAragon
No, today Pravda is more credible then the American MSM. I go to foreign source for news, not the propagandists that write fairy tales for the globalist Marxists that run our media.
There is zero evidence that Seth Rich death was the result of a robbery, ZERO. Please present a single piece of evidence that supports that conjecture. And why does the DNC fight so hard to prevent a real investigation? Where is Rich's laptop? All the cops had on body cams, where is the footage? Where are the autopsy results? Why is everything about this case kept hidden?
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A lot of these NeverTrumper are a sick bunch. Here we have an unsolved murder of a Washington DC DNC staffer and they do not want a through investigation to find the killer(s). And why? Because it just might turn out the Seth Rich not the Russians are responsible for Wikiwleaks getting the DNC emails. They would rather a murder goes free then lose the DNC/Hillary "the Russians did it" talking point/fairy tale.
Wikileaks has flat out stated that no state actor (Russians) had any role in their getting the DNC emails.
Why don't you try engaging with what's been said and not solely with the delusions in your head. Nobody is saying that this guys murder shouldn't be investigated - it should - what I and others are saying is that hoary old anti-Clinton political conspiracy theories do not constitute an investigation of any sort, and that to-date those purveying these conspiracy theories have not elicited anything to undermine the conclusions of the investigation that has been done (whether slipshod or not).
Instead, all we get when we point out that you haven't put any clothes on your emperor yet is character assassination, something that is becoming a very tiresome habit of the Trump true believers.
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Wikileaks??
Seriously?
Name one time Wikileaks has been wrong. You can't, Wikileaks is the most credible organization on the planet.
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@CatherineofAragon
It is a caution. And it needs to be said over and over again.I am not familiar with Conservatives who are fond of the term, or the argument. Not very long ago, one would have been laughed off of Conservative sites for such a pointless and infantile accusation.
What an embarrassment.
Its the same as the "but Clinton/Obama" crap. Everything Trump does wrong is responded to with claims that Obama or Clinton did it too. The fact that Obama or Clinton did something wrong is exactly why Trump should not do them.
If Trumpers insist on continuing that crap they need to start explaining why they need Trump to be more like Obama or Clinton.
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@CatherineofAragon
No, today Pravda is more credible then the American MSM. I go to foreign source for news, not the propagandists that write fairy tales for the globalist Marxists that run our media.
There is zero evidence that Seth Rich death was the result of a robbery, ZERO. Please present a single piece of evidence that supports that conjecture. And why does the DNC fight so hard to prevent a real investigation? Where is Rich's laptop? All the cops had on body cams, where is the footage? Where are the autopsy results? Why is everything about this case kept hidden?
Hmmm. He was shot on a street corner where a number of armed robberies have taken place in a dangerous neighborhood at night. Sometimes a cigar is just a really good smoke, not a Clinton conspiracy.
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Why don't you try engaging with what's been said and not solely with the delusions in your head. Nobody is saying that this guys murder shouldn't be investigated - it should - what I and others are saying is that hoary old anti-Clinton political conspiracy theories do not constitute an investigation of any sort, and that to-date those purveying these conspiracy theories have not elicited anything to undermine the conclusions of the investigation that has been done (whether slipshod or not).
Instead, all we get when we point out that you haven't put any clothes on your emperor yet is character assassination, something that is becoming a very tiresome habit of the Trump true believers.
YES!!! Wait for conclusions! What an unique idea! I am really surprised someone hasn't thought of it before!
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YES!!! Wait for conclusions! What an unique idea! I am really surprised someone hasn't thought of it before!
To paraphrase what the Soviets supposedly said about the Nuremberg trials: sentence first, trial later.
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Why don't you try engaging with what's been said and not solely with the delusions in your head. Nobody is saying that this guys murder shouldn't be investigated - it should - what I and others are saying is that hoary old anti-Clinton political conspiracy theories do not constitute an investigation of any sort, and that to-date those purveying these conspiracy theories have not elicited anything to undermine the conclusions of the investigation that has been done (whether slipshod or not).
Instead, all we get when we point out that you haven't put any clothes on your emperor yet is character assassination, something that is becoming a very tiresome habit of the Trump true believers.
When you have an unsolved murder of a prominent DNC staffer in our capital during a contentious presidential campaign, I any many others think all possible angles should be looked into. Even the ones that might reflect badly on the DNC. Democrats and NeverTrumpers strongly disagree.
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This. The other day as I was reading the forum, it crossed my mind that I haven't seen so many accusations of "hate" since I used to argue with liberals on the old AOL politics boards.
@CatherineofAragon
@txradioguy
I won't be posting on political threads anymore. If I have something to say to someone, I'll private message her/him/them.
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@CatherineofAragon
No, today Pravda is more credible then the American MSM. I go to foreign source for news, not the propagandists that write fairy tales for the globalist Marxists that run our media.
There is zero evidence that Seth Rich death was the result of a robbery, ZERO. Please present a single piece of evidence that supports that conjecture. And why does the DNC fight so hard to prevent a real investigation? Where is Rich's laptop? All the cops had on body cams, where is the footage? Where are the autopsy results? Why is everything about this case kept hidden?
@jpsb
No, Pravda is not more credible than the MSM. Russia is not our friend.
"Please present a single piece of evidence?" Maybe you ought to read my previous post again...and not selectively edit it next time.
The evidence for some grand conspiracy theory has fallen apart. Wishing won't make it so.
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When you have an unsolved murder of a prominent DNC staffer in our capital during a contentious presidential campaign, I any many others think all possible angles should be looked into. Even the ones that might reflect badly on the DNC. Democrats and NeverTrumpers strongly disagree.
But you aren't doing that. You're casting aspersions and claiming that the only solution is a DNC hit job, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever, and in the teeth of the investigation that's been done so far, without any explanation - other than more fact-free anti-Clinton conspiracy theory - for why the cops would have totally dropped the ball on this one murder but not on any of the other murders that take place in DC. DC is not a safe place, even in the gentrified places people like this guy like to live. I had a friend who lived in Adams Morgan at one point who would leave her car unlocked at night and take the battery out each night because otherwise it would get broken into by some homeless guy wanting to sleep in it. Better to have to wash it out on the inside every so often than to have to constantly fix broken windows and locks. And that was in one of the better parts.
By all means, if you feel compelled to investigate, please do, but don't throw out dated conspiracy theories as if they were Gods own truth until you have the facts to back it up.
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Name one time Wikileaks has been wrong. You can't, Wikileaks is the most credible organization on the planet.
:silly: :silly: :silly:
Yeah. Like 'Before It's News'
There are huge swaths of unproven claims, to include UFO disclosure.
Gimme a break.
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@XenaLee
I think you're right...I haven't watched Fox in, I don't know, maybe a year and a half. But I think I recall that the Fox headliners always take off at least a week for most holidays. We'll see what happens.
But if he does get canned, he can thank himself for it.
Well... I don't watch OR listen to Hannity any more..... haven't for a year or so now. But I do happen to agree with his meme that the Seth Rich murder was anything but random or a "botched robbery". The question is (especially since it will never be proven to be anything nefarious, no doubt).... is it a lack of wisdom/judgment on his part to keep pushing that meme. Probably so.
But I don't see it as grounds for firing.... unless you're just methodically eliminating the most conservative voices on Fox. And that is exactly what it looks like to me. All part and parcel of that leftist agenda, IOW. Which I am against, 100%, btw (in case anyone here wonders...lol).
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Its the same as the "but Clinton/Obama" crap. Everything Trump does wrong is responded to with claims that Obama or Clinton did it too. The fact that Obama or Clinton did something wrong is exactly why Trump should not do them.
If Trumpers insist on continuing that crap they need to start explaining why they need Trump to be more like Obama or Clinton.
The same as 'But Reagan'
Sheesh.
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Hmmm. He was shot on a street corner where a number of armed robberies have taken place in a dangerous neighborhood at night. Sometimes a cigar is just a really good smoke, not a Clinton conspiracy.
It is not a dangerous neighborhood, it is a very good neighborhood. A low crime neighborhood.
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@CatherineofAragon
@txradioguy
I won't be posting on political threads anymore. If I have something to say to someone, I'll private message her/him/them.
There really should be a way to handle these threads that devolve into stupid and insulting name-calling out of our misery. If people want to keep posting stupid stuff to each other, fine, have at it, but leave the rest of us out.
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To paraphrase what the Soviets supposedly said about the Nuremberg trials: sentence first, trial later.
To engage in this sort of salacious gossip mongering is nothing short of masturbatory.
Conservatives used to find facts.
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It is not a dangerous neighborhood, it is a very good neighborhood. A low crime neighborhood.
Uh-huh. In DC. And there had been recent robberies nearby.
Dance little Trump worshipper, dance the dance of the fact-free.
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Name one time Wikileaks has been wrong. You can't, Wikileaks is the most credible organization on the planet.
I can't even deal with this post right now. I need to get up and walk the hell away from the computer.
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There really should be a way to handle these threads that devolve into stupid and insulting name-calling out of our misery. If people want to keep posting stupid stuff to each other, fine, have at it, but leave the rest of us out.
This is a damned if I do, damned if I don't...when I crack down I am accused of over=modding or censorship which is a fav accusation.
When I lighten up all hell breaks loose.
We thought we solved some of this angst by creating the ignore feature but not everyone uses it.
All I can say is we try to be fair here. Both sides complain that we favor the other side when that is not true.
We can severely crack down but I don't think most members here would like it.
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Name one time Wikileaks has been wrong. You can't, Wikileaks is the most credible organization on the planet.
Take care re: the monsters you create. They might just, some day, end up devouring you. And then where will you be? In digestion. :silly:
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This is a damned if I do, damned if I don't...when I crack down I am accused of over=modding or censorship which is a fav accusation.
When I lighten up all hell breaks loose.
We thought we solved some of this angst by creating the ignore feature but not everyone uses it.
All I can say is we try to be fair here. Both sides complain that we favor the other side when that is not true.
We can severely crack down but I don't think most members here would like it.
Let's face it. There are some folks that just 'get off' on going at it with each other. And that will never change. I say never because I observed that behavior for a decade with no change at another forum. That forum finally came up with 'mandated ignore' or else rules for those certain few folks that insisted on squabbling 24/7. And the rest of the forum could then breathe a sigh of relief....lol.
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This is a damned if I do, damned if I don't...when I crack down I am accused of over=modding or censorship which is a fav accusation.
When I lighten up all hell breaks loose.
We thought we solved some of this angst by creating the ignore feature but not everyone uses it.
All I can say is we try to be fair here. Both sides complain that we favor the other side when that is not true.
We can severely crack down but I don't think most members here would like it.
I know, and I understand the position you are in and deeply appreciate your restraint. I do wish others would practice just a bit of the same. I'm going to stop now before I say something I would be ashamed of.
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Uh-huh. In DC. And there had been recent robberies nearby.
Was this a robbery? From what I've read it wasn't but perhaps you know better.
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Take care re: the monsters you create. They might just, some day, end up devouring you. And then where will you be? In digestion. :silly:
@XenaLee
Whistle blowers play a hugely important part in exposing corruption. In so far as Wikileaks helps that process I am a fan of Wikileaks. As best I can tell nothing released by Wikileaks has proved to be fake. Nothing officially stated by Wikileaks has proved to be false.
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I can't even deal with this post right now. I need to get up and walk the hell away from the computer.
Good ole Wikileaks. Sure they willfully and deliberately endangered our troops AND their families not to mention did get an unknown number of our Afghan allies killed, their butt is just sooooo tasty now. :silly:
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This is a damned if I do, damned if I don't...when I crack down I am accused of over=modding or censorship which is a fav accusation.
When I lighten up all hell breaks loose.
We thought we solved some of this angst by creating the ignore feature but not everyone uses it.
All I can say is we try to be fair here. Both sides complain that we favor the other side when that is not true.
We can severely crack down but I don't think most members here would like it.
Can you turn off a thread so it doesn't bump up? Or throw it into members only? Or create a Stupid Crap thread category (in members only) and shift Stupid Crap threads there?
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@XenaLee
Whistle blowers play a hugely important part in exposing corruption. In so far as Wikileaks helps that process I am a fan of Wikileaks. As best I can tell nothing released by Wikileaks has proved to be fake. Nothing officially stated by Wikileaks has proved to be false.
Being a fan is one thing. But deeming a website based on anonymous sources as infallible (ie has never been wrong or is never wrong) is just not very wise. Question, always (trust, but verify) any and everything you read on the net. Whistleblowers can (and most often do) have an agenda too. Just sayin.....
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This is a damned if I do, damned if I don't...when I crack down I am accused of over=modding or censorship which is a fav accusation.
When I lighten up all hell breaks loose.
We thought we solved some of this angst by creating the ignore feature but not everyone uses it.
All I can say is we try to be fair here. Both sides complain that we favor the other side when that is not true.
We can severely crack down but I don't think most members here would like it.
Without the added Drama of the Daily pi$$ing contests between the NT vs AT, half of us would probably be in Rehab.
Personally I think you and your Mods are doing a fine, unbiased, thankless job of walking a razor's edge.
Thank You @mystery-ak Another Donation coming next week.
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Can you turn off a thread so it doesn't bump up? Or throw it into members only? Or create a Stupid Crap thread category (in members only) and shift Stupid Crap threads there?
Other forums I've seen have created a special section where they move threads that have devolved into nothing more than a mud-wrestling roller derby match of 'non wits'....lol....
where the thread can no longer be seen by the public. They come up with cute little names for these areas..... (snake pit rings a bell).
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Other forums I've seen have created a special section where they move threads that have devolved into nothing more than a mud-wrestling roller derby match of 'non wits'....lol....
where the thread can no longer be seen by the public. They come up with cute little names for these areas..... (snake pit rings a bell).
The "Ring Your Bell" category?
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Other forums I've seen have created a special section where they move threads that have devolved into nothing more than a mud-wrestling roller derby match of 'non wits'....lol....
where the thread can no longer be seen by the public. They come up with cute little names for these areas..... (snake pit rings a bell).
Stinky Back Room?
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That forum finally came up with 'mandated ignore' or else rules for those certain few folks that insisted on squabbling 24/7. And the rest of the forum could then breathe a sigh of relief....lol.
Tried it. One of the parties has invariably had a tantrum. Life is too short for us to wipe noses and coddle bruised egos.
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It is a caution. And it needs to be said over and over again. I am not familiar with Conservatives who are fond of the term, or the argument. Not very long ago, one would have been laughed off of Conservative sites for such a pointless and infantile accusation.
I find it utterly amazing that these self-identifying Trump 'Conservatives' have taken to the tactics and machinations the Left like fish to water.
To the point I cannot discern the difference in their behavior and those acolytes for Obama or Hillary. Same tactics. Same accusations. Same techniques.
No principles other than the person they have pledged all their fealty to.
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Other forums I've seen have created a special section where they move threads that have devolved into nothing more than a mud-wrestling roller derby match of 'non wits'....lol....
where the thread can no longer be seen by the public. They come up with cute little names for these areas..... (snake pit rings a bell).
We did that on one of the forums I moderated. We called it 'The Alley'. The only time we ever had to enter there to mod was when personal threats were made - other than that - we let those who wanted to brawl have at. It was off the main news page and only open to members.
Only problem was (and we figured out the tactic pretty early on) is that supporters for the Left would immediately jump on a thread they did not like to begin tossing insults and goading the members into a fight so the thread would get yanked off the main and tossed into the Alley. We ended up simply excising all the posts and replies that were combative and removing those from the thread on the main and tossing the argument replies into their own thread in the Alley. THAT seemed to work. That way those interested in discussing the OP could do so, while the few who wanted to brawl over it could do so by their lonesomes.
FYI @mystery-ak
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I find it utterly amazing that these self-identifying Trump 'Conservatives' have taken to the tactics and machinations the Left like fish to water.
To the point I cannot discern the difference in their behavior and those acolytes for Obama or Hillary. Same tactics. Same accusations. Same techniques.
No principles other than the person they have pledged all their fealty to.
That's right. It isn't about finding out the truth anymore. Nor is it about defending any principled thing. Whatever works, for the 'win'.
If we can't even agree on the defining principles to defend, nor abide the parameters defined by truthful reporting, then this whole thing is a waste of time.
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If we can't even agree on the defining principles to defend, nor abide the parameters defined by truthful reporting, then this whole thing is a waste of time.
Extrapolate that to the entirety of the Republican party and the nation as a whole - and you will discover why I am not too optimistic about our future.
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Extrapolate that to the entirety of the Republican party and the nation as a whole - and you will discover why I am not too optimistic about our future.
Yeah, I get it... But hope springs eternal, and pendulum swings tend to swing the other way soon enough.
I would hope that folks will eventually tire of meaningless wins and 24/7 gossip 'news'.
And if a frog had wings...
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Was this a robbery? From what I've read it wasn't but perhaps you know better.
No. It was a good old fashioned DNC hit by the Clinton protection squad. We know it wasn't the Russians who killed him because they use Polonium-tipped umbrellas, and we know it wasn't the North Koreans because they use female groupies with two-part contact poison on their hands.
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We did that on one of the forums I moderated. We called it 'The Alley'. The only time we ever had to enter there to mod was when personal threats were made - other than that - we let those who wanted to brawl have at. It was off the main news page and only open to members.
Only problem was (and we figured out the tactic pretty early on) is that supporters for the Left would immediately jump on a thread they did not like to begin tossing insults and goading the members into a fight so the thread would get yanked off the main and tossed into the Alley. We ended up simply excising all the posts and replies that were combative and removing those from the thread on the main and tossing the argument replies into their own thread in the Alley. THAT seemed to work. That way those interested in discussing the OP could do so, while the few who wanted to brawl over it could do so by their lonesomes.
We tried it here. Our problem was we don't have a 2nd page where you can't see it every time it is posted on.
Every time it was posted on it would show on the forum page..which seemed to draw members to and then they complained because it was on the forum...if I ever get another page I might try it again.
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We tried it here. Our problem was we don't have a 2nd page where you can't see it every time it is posted on.
Every time it was posted on it would show on the forum page..which seemed to draw members to and then they complained because it was on the forum...if I ever get another page I might try it again.
You can put individual boards on ignore, right? So, if it went to the backroom or woodshed or whatever, you wouldn't see it anymore?
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No. It was a good old fashioned DNC hit by the Clinton protection squad. We know it wasn't the Russians who killed him because they use Polonium-tipped umbrellas, and we know it wasn't the North Koreans because they use female groupies with two-part contact poison on their hands.
We know it wasn't a robbery if the corpse wasn't robbed. So, foolishness aside, what was it?
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We know it wasn't a robbery if the corpse wasn't robbed. So, foolishness aside, what was it?
Again you watched too much Columbo.
Botched stick ups happen all the time. And yes that means the robber doesn't make off with what they originally intended to take.
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You can put individual boards on ignore, right? So, if it went to the backroom or woodshed or whatever, you wouldn't see it anymore?
I could create a board/room and warn people to put it on ignore....let me think about this...
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We know it wasn't a robbery if the corpse wasn't robbed. So, foolishness aside, what was it?
Strawman.
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We know it wasn't a robbery if the corpse wasn't robbed. So, foolishness aside, what was it?
It was a botched robbery, according to the cops, who seem to be the only people who investigated the facts and not simply their own political fetishes.
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We tried it here. Our problem was we don't have a 2nd page where you can't see it every time it is posted on.
Every time it was posted on it would show on the forum page..which seemed to draw members to and then they complained because it was on the forum...if I ever get another page I might try it again.
You can put individual boards on ignore, right? So, if it went to the backroom or woodshed or whatever, you wouldn't see it anymore?
Yes, it looks like a person can choose to ignore an entire board and it says that: "This page lets you ignore particular boards. When a board is ignored, the new post indicator will not show up on the board index. New posts will not show up using the "unread post" search link (when searching it will not look in those boards) however, ignored boards will still appear on the board index and upon entering will show which topics have new posts. When using the "unread replies" link, new posts in an ignored board will still be shown."
I think this is excellent news, as it affords each INDIVIDUAL the responsibility to ignore and not see thread brawls that get moved down to a private room/section/page if they do not want to see fights.
And again, we made good use of stripping replies that were contentious out of otherwise productive threads and sent the combatants to their own thread that was linked to the main OP that began the fight - so they could continue brawling there, while the rest could continue discussing the OP.
Looks like you already have what you would need to deal with that issue. It just puts a bit more work on you mods to handle, but it did help a little on the forum I used to mod to keep viable topics clean of sniping and backbiting - usually always by agenda-pushers and trolls.
@mystery-ak
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Its kinda cute the way the lil Trumpers are all threatening that FOX will lose millions of viewers if they fire Hannity. Its a threat that rings hollow to a network that has already lost millions of viewers due to the likes of Hannity.
From what I've read Breitbart is also in freefall dropping from a ranking per views of around 30th to nearly 300th in the past 18 months.
To be fair, I think Breitbart paid a lot of people to visit their site last year.
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The "Ring Your Bell" category?
It never rung my bell, but it sure was popular with some folks. ^-^ And would be here too, I suspect.
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Stinky Back Room?
The Pits. (also smelly) lol
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We did that on one of the forums I moderated. We called it 'The Alley'. The only time we ever had to enter there to mod was when personal threats were made - other than that - we let those who wanted to brawl have at. It was off the main news page and only open to members.
Only problem was (and we figured out the tactic pretty early on) is that supporters for the Left would immediately jump on a thread they did not like to begin tossing insults and goading the members into a fight so the thread would get yanked off the main and tossed into the Alley. We ended up simply excising all the posts and replies that were combative and removing those from the thread on the main and tossing the argument replies into their own thread in the Alley. THAT seemed to work. That way those interested in discussing the OP could do so, while the few who wanted to brawl over it could do so by their lonesomes.
FYI @mystery-ak
The problem with deleting offending posts altogether is it also deletes anyone that responded down-thread to those posts, right? A much better mechanism is the 'thread ban'. That way anyone getting out of line on any particular thread would be banned from that discussion. That puts an end to the agenda you've mentioned.
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Again you watched too much Columbo.
Botched stick ups happen all the time. And yes that means the robber doesn't make off with what they originally intended to take.
Maybe you don't watch enough.
Why, pray tell, are you so hellbent on painting it as a "botched robbery" when you don't know all the facts EITHER. What's your agenda in all this? Hmmm?
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The problem with deleting offending posts altogether is it also deletes anyone that responded down-thread to those posts, right? A much better mechanism is the 'thread ban'. That way anyone getting out of line on any particular thread would be banned from that discussion. That puts an end to the agenda you've mentioned.
I don't have an option of banning a person from a thread, only the forum.
I could ask them to leave the thread and if they refuse give a timeout for the whole forum. The thread would need a Mod to keep personal threats in check....
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As much as I'd like to be a Mod, I wouldn't touch that Thread with a 10 foot pole.
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Maybe you don't watch enough.
Why, pray tell, are you so hellbent on painting it as a "botched robbery" when you don't know all the facts EITHER. What's your agenda in all this? Hmmm?
I go with the facts. No the tinfoil. The only ones that have presented facts on the case have been the DC Metro Police. They say it's a botched robbery attempt.
I've seen nothing factual to disprove that. Just a lot of tinfoil and a bunch of people WISHING is was something other than what it is and delving into an area of the CT pool usually reserved for Libs.
I have no agenda on this issue so you can just squelch that bit of nonsense right now.
Show me credible facts that disprove the police determination and I'll listen.
Otherwise I don't deal in tinfoil...infowars or 4chan kookery.
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No. It was a good old fashioned DNC hit by the Clinton protection squad. We know it wasn't the Russians who killed him because they use Polonium-tipped umbrellas, and we know it wasn't the North Koreans because they use female groupies with two-part contact poison on their hands.
I thought it was the Stonecutters that placed the hit.
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I go with the facts. No the tinfoil. The only ones that have presented facts on the case have been the DC Metro Police. They say it's a botched robbery attempt.
I've seen nothing factual to disprove that. Just a lot of tinfoil and a bunch of people WISHING is was something other than what it is and delving into an area of the CT pool usually reserved for Libs.
I have no agenda on this issue so you can just squelch that bit of nonsense right now.
Show me credible facts that disprove the police determination and I'll listen.
Otherwise I don't deal in tinfoil...infowars or 4chan kookery.
Well.... we all already know how "unbiased" and "sans agenda" the DC police can be (and are). Don't we.
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I don't have an option of banning a person from a thread, only the forum.
I could ask them to leave the thread and if they refuse give a timeout for the whole forum. The thread would need a Mod to keep personal threats in check....
Yes, you could ask them nicely to cease and desist. Then if they refuse, give them a time-out from posting. It's only logical. ^-^
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Well.... we all already know how "unbiased" and "sans agenda" the DC police can be (and are). Don't we.
You miss the point.
What is required here is proof. Evidence.
Without which, there is nothing but speculation and rank gossip.
I am more than suspicious of Vince Foster's death, and I am aware of the many instances offered up as 'Arkancide'...
But it all amounts to nothing without proof.
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You miss the point.
What is required here is proof. Evidence.
Without which, there is nothing but speculation and rank gossip.
I am more than suspicious of Vince Foster's death, and I am aware of the many instances offered up as 'Arkancide'...
But it all amounts to nothing without proof.
Xena isn't missing points IMHO...she's being willfully obtuse.
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Xena isn't missing points IMHO...she's being willfully obtuse.
:shrug:
@XenaLee is a friend of many years. I won't cuss her. Many have become bewitched by the gossip posing as news today.
Every now and then, a reminder.
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You miss the point.
What is required here is proof. Evidence.
Without which, there is nothing but speculation and rank gossip.
I am more than suspicious of Vince Foster's death, and I am aware of the many instances offered up as 'Arkancide'...
But it all amounts to nothing without proof.
I'm not missing the point. You are. I'm seeing things quite clearly.
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I'm not missing the point. You are. I'm seeing things quite clearly.
Fine. Then prove it.
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I'm not missing the point. You are. I'm seeing things quite clearly.
And you have proof of your alternative where exactly?
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Xena isn't missing points IMHO...she's being willfully obtuse.
Tell ya what. I'm going to just break down and thank you.
For helping me make up my mind about this issue.
I just signed the petition for a special prosecutor to further investigate this incident.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/appoint-special-prosecutor-investigate-murder-seth-rich-alleged-wikileaks-email-leaker
Don't like it? Sue me. And I trust you know where you can stick that personal insult... right?
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Tell ya what. I'm going to just break down and thank you.
For helping me make up my mind about this issue.
I just signed the petition for a special prosecutor to further investigate this incident.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/appoint-special-prosecutor-investigate-murder-seth-rich-alleged-wikileaks-email-leaker
Don't like it? Sue me. And I trust you know where you can stick that personal insult... right?
I seriously doubt that I convinced you to do anything. My guess is you signed that meaningless petition last week and you're just using me as a scape goat.
Either way I don't care.
Have fun with the rest of the troofers looks and conspiracy theorists hell bent on furthering the anguish of the victims family while you continue your Snipe hunt.
Oh and watch out for those black helicopters.
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Fine. Then prove it.
Prove what? That some folks that are hell-bent on no further investigation needed and on going with the "botched robbery" meme don't have an agenda? I don't need to prove that.
It's pretty effing obvious what the agenda is and why. Do the logic.
But hey..... if you change your mind, do.... by all means..... sign the petition.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/appoint-special-prosecutor-investigate-murder-seth-rich-alleged-wikileaks-email-leaker
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Prove what? That some folks that are hell-bent on no further investigation needed and on going with the "botched robbery" meme don't have an agenda? I don't need to prove that.
It's pretty effing obvious. Do the logic.
But hey..... if you change your mind, do.... by all means..... sign the petition.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/appoint-special-prosecutor-investigate-murder-seth-rich-alleged-wikileaks-email-leaker
Why don't you just be an adult and admit that you have nothing to offer as evidence that disproves the findings by the DC Police?
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I seriously doubt that I convinced you to do anything. My guess is you signed that meaningless petition last week and you're just using me as a scape goat.
Either way I don't care.
Have fun with the rest of the troofers looks and conspiracy theorists hell bent on furthering the anguish of the victims family while you continue your Snipe hunt.
Oh and watch out for those black helicopters.
The anguish of the family no doubt pales in comparison to other families that have lost loved ones due to ..... certain circumstances. Families that it's been proven that were 'paid off'.
Psst! Just cause you're not paranoid.... doesn't mean they're not out to get ya! :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:
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Why don't you just be an adult and admit that you have nothing to offer as evidence that disproves the findings by the DC Police?
Why don't you just stop trying (rather lamely, albeit) to insult me and admit that you have a vested interest in taking the ""findings"" by the DC Police as the gospel in this incident? Psst! The DC Police are only acting on their "theory". They don't know, for a fact, jack $hit.
Ergo, the need for further investigation done NOT by the oh-so-ethical DC police.
Here...
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/appoint-special-prosecutor-investigate-murder-seth-rich-alleged-wikileaks-email-leaker
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Prove what? That some folks that are hell-bent on no further investigation needed and on going with the "botched robbery" meme don't have an agenda? I don't need to prove that.
I couldn't care less if there's more investigation. What to investigate is altogether another question. The actual evidence here seems pretty sparse. And upon someone actually finding proof, I will happily modify my position.But only actual proof will change the 'meme'.
It's pretty effing obvious what the agenda is and why. Do the logic.
'Logic' convicts no one.
But hey..... if you change your mind, do.... by all means..... sign the petition.
meh.
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I couldn't care less if there's more investigation. What to investigate is altogether another question. The actual evidence here seems pretty sparse. And upon someone actually finding proof, I will happily modify my position.But only actual proof will change the 'meme'.
'Logic' convicts no one.
meh.
If logic fails then truth fails with it. JS....
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I'm of the opinion anything to do with government has absolutely no credibility whatsoever.
Personally given the the Democrat party is a criminal enterprise full of antithetical agendas to liberty, and the entire institution of Washington D.C. itself being wholly corrupt - I see nothing wrong with assuming there was potentially nefarious intent and possibility when it comes to convenient deaths.
It's healthier in this day and age for liberty to be suspicious of anything happening related to politics than to give Mordor on the Potomac any benefit of doubt. We've become Rome post Caligula.
If the miasma of cretins in government know and understand that the vast majority of people in this country no longer trust or believe them about anything, even if it is the truth - liberty may have a better shot of surviving.
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It is not a dangerous neighborhood, it is a very good neighborhood. A low crime neighborhood.
@jpsb
I guess all those robberies, including the two on the very corner where Rich died, were set up by the DNC.
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@jpsb
I guess all those robberies, including the two on the very corner where Rich died, were set up by the DNC.
Clearly DNC cover robberies.
(http://i.imgur.com/6zzqDdi.gif)
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Name one time Wikileaks has been wrong. You can't, Wikileaks is the most credible organization on the planet.
@jpsb
Hannity said Wikileaks waged war against America and put American lives in danger.
Sarah Palin called Assange an anti-American operative with blood on his hands.
Both of those gibbering morons did a 180 for nothing but political expediency. For them, all it took was an anti-Hillary (so they thought) stance, and years of anti-Americanism were totally forgiven.
Thanks to Wikileaks, the Taliban hunted down American allies in Afghanistan and murdered them. Assange said they deserved it and had it coming to them.
Wikileaks has almost solely targeted American interests. Some of his colleagues left because of his singular anti-American focus.
Assange blew off the 2015 Paris terror attacks---pretty much said so what, look at how many people Americans have killed in Iraq and Syria.
There's your "never been wrong, most credible organization on the planet."
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Its the same as the "but Clinton/Obama" crap. Everything Trump does wrong is responded to with claims that Obama or Clinton did it too. The fact that Obama or Clinton did something wrong is exactly why Trump should not do them.
If Trumpers insist on continuing that crap they need to start explaining why they need Trump to be more like Obama or Clinton.
@Cripplecreek
If we don't start using our brains again, the conservative movement is going to be done, and it might be already.
We have to stand for something besides "Look at this sick burn! A liberal got insulted so I love this guy and henceforth he can never do wrong." Conservatism is about more than just anti-liberalism.
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Well... I don't watch OR listen to Hannity any more..... haven't for a year or so now. But I do happen to agree with his meme that the Seth Rich murder was anything but random or a "botched robbery". The question is (especially since it will never be proven to be anything nefarious, no doubt).... is it a lack of wisdom/judgment on his part to keep pushing that meme. Probably so.
But I don't see it as grounds for firing.... unless you're just methodically eliminating the most conservative voices on Fox. And that is exactly what it looks like to me. All part and parcel of that leftist agenda, IOW. Which I am against, 100%, btw (in case anyone here wonders...lol).
@XenaLee
Well, Fox retracted the conspiracy theory they ran with, but Hannity refused to do so, and stated his opinion to "keep digging! I'm almost at the truth!" Since Fox is his employer, I'd say they might well see it as grounds for dismissal.
Yeah, I'm against the leftist agenda, too. I think we all are. But we have to be for something more besides that, and chasing conspiracies isn't the way.
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@XenaLee
Well, Fox retracted the conspiracy theory they ran with, but Hannity refused to do so, and stated his opinion to "keep digging! I'm almost at the truth!" Since Fox is his employer, I'd say they might well see it as grounds for dismissal.
Yeah, I'm against the leftist agenda, too. I think we all are. But we have to be for something more besides that, and chasing conspiracies isn't the way.
My mom was a seasoned conspiracy theorist and this kind of crap makes me damned glad she wasn't a blogger when she died suddenly. I'd have trhese geniuses looking in my windows and "discovering" that most of my family are liberal democrats.
The fact that I work around a whole busload of Pakistani and Indian doctors is sure to be clear proof of something nefarious. :silly:
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@XenaLee
Well, Fox retracted the conspiracy theory they ran with, but Hannity refused to do so, and stated his opinion to "keep digging! I'm almost at the truth!" Since Fox is his employer, I'd say they might well see it as grounds for dismissal.
Yeah, I'm against the leftist agenda, too. I think we all are. But we have to be for something more besides that, and chasing conspiracies isn't the way.
Investigating suspicious deaths/murders is in no way "chasing conspiracies". It's something that any civilized nation is expected to do. Only banana republics and organizations like the DNC refuse to investigate or refuse to try to get to the truth of the matter.
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My mom was a seasoned conspiracy theorist and this kind of crap makes me damned glad she wasn't a blogger when she died suddenly. I'd have trhese geniuses looking in my windows and "discovering" that most of my family are liberal democrats.
The fact that I work around a whole busload of Pakistani and Indian doctors is sure to be clear proof of something nefarious. :silly:
Yeah...un... no. I don't think they'd have to go to all that trouble. They could just tune in to the forum on any given day and read some of your comments. That would work.
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Investigating suspicious deaths/murders is in no way "chasing conspiracies". It's something that any civilized nation is expected to do. Only banana republics and organizations like the DNC refuse to investigate or refuse to try to get to the truth of the matter.
@XenaLee
But the cops investigated and concluded it was a botched robbery.
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Investigating suspicious deaths/murders is in no way "chasing conspiracies". It's something that any civilized nation is expected to do. Only banana republics and organizations like the DNC refuse to investigate or refuse to try to get to the truth of the matter.
Nobody here is saying it shouldn't be investigated. That's you putting words into other peoples' mouths. Ignoring the inconvenient facts in favor of threadbare anti-Clinton conspiracy theories does not, however, constitute an investigation. It is the antithesis of an investigation.
If you want to investigate it, please, be my guest, but do an investigation, stop trying to browbeat us into accepting your fact-free assertions of conspiracy as an investigation.
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@XenaLee
But the cops investigated and concluded it was a botched robbery.
Pretty straight on factual conclusion.
Nothing to build a conspiracy around.
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@XenaLee
But the cops investigated and concluded it was a botched robbery.
Lol!
Based on what, exactly?
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Nobody here is saying it shouldn't be investigated. That's you putting words into other peoples' mouths. Ignoring the inconvenient facts in favor of threadbare anti-Clinton conspiracy theories does not, however, constitute an investigation. It is the antithesis of an investigation.
If you want to investigate it, please, be my guest, but do an investigation, stop trying to browbeat us into accepting your fact-free assertions of conspiracy as an investigation.
Seems to me, you're the ones trying to browbeat here. Some are even resorting to personal insults. Check a mirror.
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Since there seems to be so much pushback against anyone wanting further investigation of this rather oddly timed murder....
let me rise to le occasion and do a little pushing back myself. But remember... you guys started it. ^-^
So yeah. I'll play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAA9Gy2SXdg&feature=youtu.be
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Lol!
Based on what, exactly?
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Since there seems to be so much pushback against anyone wanting further investigation of this rather oddly timed murder....
let me rise to le occasion and do a little pushing back myself. But remember... you guys started it. ^-^
So yeah. I'll play.
OAN is conservative. The media claiming "nothing there" are liberal. That alone makes the #nevertrump push back here, highly suspect.
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OAN is conservative. The media claiming "nothing there" are liberal. That alone makes the #nevertrump push back here, highly suspect.
Please just shove your stupid insinuation.
I'm as NeverTrump as anyone and I am perfectly suspicious of the Clintons and Mordor on the Potomac engaging in nefarious acts - especially to anyone associated with or anyone touching the Democrat party in any capacity.
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Since there seems to be so much pushback against anyone wanting further investigation of this rather oddly timed murder....
let me rise to le occasion and do a little pushing back myself. But remember... you guys started it. ^-^
So yeah. I'll play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAA9Gy2SXdg&feature=youtu.be
/snicker
Why don't you come back with facts? Bring something real and we'll all be happy to discuss it. Your desperate need to find a DNC/Clinton murder conspiracy is not fact.
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Since there seems to be so much pushback against anyone wanting further investigation of this rather oddly timed murder....
let me rise to le occasion and do a little pushing back myself. But remember... you guys started it. ^-^
So yeah. I'll play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAA9Gy2SXdg&feature=youtu.be
meh. nothing new there...
We are all aware of the suspicious circumstances leading up to his death
We are all aware that he very likely was the source of the wikileaks emails.
But 'looks like' is not the same as proven.
As I said. You need proof. Evidence.
And as I said, if the day ever comes wherein these claims become more than claims, I will happily shift my position and be right there with you. But not a day before.
It is not the seriousness of the charge than matters. It's the veracity of the evidence.
And so far as I know, you have none.
Just a lot of serious charges.
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/snicker
Why don't you come back with facts? Bring something real and we'll all be happy to discuss it. Your desperate need to find a DNC/Clinton murder conspiracy is not fact.
Ooops. That counts.
Still playing.....
Oh. And for the record here..... you guys screwed up.
Before.... I didn't particularly give a damn about this. Now ... due to the tacky behavior of some of you .... it is now on my radar, good & plenty....
and has become an issue for me.
Congrats. You won me over. To the opposite side, that is.
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OAN is conservative. The media claiming "nothing there" are liberal. That alone makes the #nevertrump push back here, highly suspect.
@truth_seeker
Psst
I think it might be more liberal plants.
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http://www.dailywire.com/news/16561/7-things-you-need-know-about-seth-rich-murder-aaron-bandler (http://www.dailywire.com/news/16561/7-things-you-need-know-about-seth-rich-murder-aaron-bandler)
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Ooops. That counts.
Still playing.....
Oh. And for the record here..... you guys screwed up.
Before.... I didn't particularly give a damn about this. Now ... due to the tacky behavior of some of you .... it is now on my radar, good & plenty....
and has become an issue for me.
Congrats. You won me over. To the opposite side, that is.
/snicker
Oh dearie me; I'm shaking in my boots.
Look, it's very simple, so simple even a Trump-lover should get it: bring evidence. @roamer_1 put it perfectly: "if the day ever comes wherein these claims become more than claims, I will happily shift my position and be right there with you. But not a day before."
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@truth_seeker
Psst
I think it might be more liberal plants.
Finally. Someone brings up the elephant in the room. This Dem Plant has never been caught and is probably in here with the rest of us posting his/her subversive tripe.
I think it is about time we get to the bottom of this Dem Plant problem before he destroys us from within.
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Finally. Someone brings up the elephant in the room. This Dem Plant has never been caught and is probably in here with the rest of us posting his/her subversive tripe.
I think it is about time we get to the bottom of this Dem Plant problem before he destroys us from within.
:bigsilly:
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/snicker
Oh dearie me; I'm shaking in my boots.
Look, it's very simple, so simple even a Trump-lover should get it: bring evidence. @roamer_1 put it perfectly: "if the day ever comes wherein these claims become more than claims, I will happily shift my position and be right there with you. But not a day before."
Meh it all a put on by dear Xena.
She already had the tinfoil wrapped around her head on this.
She's trying to use us as scapegoats for her crazy.
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/snicker
Oh dearie me; I'm shaking in my boots.
Look, it's very simple, so simple even a Trump-lover should get it: bring evidence. @roamer_1 put it perfectly: "if the day ever comes wherein these claims become more than claims, I will happily shift my position and be right there with you. But not a day before."
The point.... which whooshed right over your head, apparently.... is that all this boorish mocking of anyone that wants further investigation of this issue is backfiring. It ain't workin. Duh.
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The point.... which whooshed right over your head, apparently.... is that all this boorish mocking of anyone that wants further investigation of this issue is backfiring. It ain't workin. Duh.
I want additional investigation, too! But so far all you and your ilk are offering up are thread-bare, fact-free, quarter-wit DNC/Clinton murder conspiracies.
And provide a satisfactory explanation for why the one group of people who did look at the facts - the cops - concluded that it was a botched robbery.
Where are the facts?
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Hey! Check this out. Newt thinks it's worthy of more investigation. Oh wait.... you antiTrumpas don't like Newt any more.
Nevermind.
Still worth a look.... for those that aren't antiTrumpas. Right?
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/newt-gingrich-calls-seth-richs-death-assassination-richs-surgeon-speaks/
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I want additional investigation, too! But so far all you and your ilk are offering up are thread-bare, fact-free, quarter-wit DNC/Clinton murder conspiracies.
And provide a satisfactory explanation for why the one group of people who did look at the facts - the cops - concluded that it was a botched robbery.
Where are the facts?
My "ilk"??? You guys made me into that "ilk".... just over the past few days, in fact! Your fault. :tongue2:
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Hey! Check this out. Newt thinks it's worthy of more investigation. Oh wait.... you antiTrumpas don't like Newt any more.
Nevermind.
Still worth a look.... for those that aren't antiTrumpas. Right?
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/newt-gingrich-calls-seth-richs-death-assassination-richs-surgeon-speaks/
Where are the facts that support your allegations? Why did the people who did an actual investigation conclude it was a botched robbery if it was really a DNC/Clinton hit job?
Why is it you are singularly incapable of providing a shred of fact to back up your claims?
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My "ilk"??? You guys made me into that "ilk".... just over the past few days, in fact! Your fault. :tongue2:
I'm sorry, was that vocab word above your pay grade?
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I'm sorry, was that vocab word above your pay grade?
No. Was it over yours? Why did you ask?
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Please stay on topic and lay off the personal insults.
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No. Was it over yours? Why did you ask?
:huh?:
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Where are the facts that support your allegations? Why did the people who did an actual investigation conclude it was a botched robbery if it was really a DNC/Clinton hit job?
Why is it you are singularly incapable of providing a shred of fact to back up your claims?
Why are you so desperate to detract and deflect away from any further investigation?
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Why are you so desperate to detract and deflect away from any further investigation?
Why are you so desperately trying to make this into something it's not?
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Finally. Someone brings up the elephant in the room. This Dem Plant has never been caught and is probably in here with the rest of us posting his/her subversive tripe.
I think it is about time we get to the bottom of this Dem Plant problem before he destroys us from within.
@Frank Cannon
There's only one...? Because I was told...
Never mind.
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Why are you so desperately trying to make this into something it's not?
I'm not the one mocking and boorishly insulting anyone of my ""ilk"" that wants to see this investigated further. That would be you....
and your ""ilk"" (Kudos and credit to Oceander for the creative and original slur here).
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Why are you so desperate to detract and deflect away from any further investigation?
I'm not, which why I have repeatedly said I would love an actual investigation. Like right here: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,264380.msg1339401.html#msg1339401 just a few posts ago, where I said, and I quote, "I want additional investigation, too!"
But an investigation requires facts and so far all that you and your ilk have sallied forth with has been conspicuously fact-free.
Where are the facts that show your conspiracy theory is anything more than political desperation?
Facts, please.
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The police are investigating aren't they?
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The police are investigating aren't they?
I believe the police concluded that it was a botched robbery.
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Where are the facts that support your allegations? Why did the people who did an actual investigation conclude it was a botched robbery if it was really a DNC/Clinton hit job?
Why is it you are singularly incapable of providing a shred of fact to back up your claims?
Newt also says that everything he knows about it came from blogs.
I personally have never had any use for lying trash like Gingrich anyway. Some of the BS he spouted in 2012 should have destroyed his credibility then but the gullible will forever believe no matter how many times they get burned.
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Please stay on topic and lay off the personal insults.
I purchased the URL title "insultathon.com" and once again I offer it for resale.
I'll let it go for just $0.99 for the first year.
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I'm not the one mocking and boorishly insulting anyone of my ""ilk"" that wants to see this investigated further. That would be you....
and your ""ilk"" (Kudos and credit to Oceander for the creative and original slur here).
You better give credit where credit is actually due.
"Your ilk" is one of DCP's favorite terms along with "you people".
You don't seem to feel any posterior pain when that term is being tossed at people critical of Trump.
Don't start getting hysterical now just because someone else uses it.
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I believe the police concluded that it was a botched robbery.
Not to throw fuel on this fire but can the DC police be trusted...can they be controlled by an outside group or person say...like the DNC?
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I'm not, which why I have repeatedly said I would love an actual investigation. Like right here: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,264380.msg1339401.html#msg1339401 just a few posts ago, where I said, and I quote, "I want additional investigation, too!"
But an investigation requires facts and so far all that you and your ilk have sallied forth with has been conspicuously fact-free.
Where are the facts that show your conspiracy theory is anything more than political desperation?
Facts, please.
You seem to be talking out of both sides of your.... mouth here. You make no sense.... since....
facts would come with further investigation (frigging duh).
You know.... the further investigation that your "ilk" doesn't think is necessary because they've already, in literal lock-step, agreed and accepted that it was merely a botched robbery attempt...
despite no solid evidence pointing to that conclusion..... but based merely on DC police theories.
I guess it just depends on whose theories you want to embrace though, huh.
[shaking head in amazement]
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Not to throw fuel on this fire but can the DC police be trusted...can they be controlled by an outside group or person say...like the DNC?
Bingo!
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You better give credit where credit is actually due.
"Your ilk" is one of DCP's favorite terms along with "you people".
You don't seem to feel any posterior pain when that term is being tossed at people critical of Trump.
Don't start getting hysterical now just because someone else uses it.
DCP is not on this thread..please don't bring him into this conversation
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You seem to be talking out of both sides of your.... mouth here. You make no sense.... since....
facts would come with further investigation (frigging duh).
You know.... the further investigation that your "ilk" doesn't think is necessary because they've already, in literal lock-step, agreed and accepted that it was merely a botched robbery attempt...
despite no solid evidence pointing to that conclusion..... but based merely on DC police theories.
I guess it just depends on whose theories you want to embrace though, huh.
[shaking head in amazement]
/snicker
I must be really bored right now since I keep giving in to the temptation of yanking on your ridiculous little chain.
Where are the facts that support your claim that this is something more than a botched robbery?
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DCP is not on this thread..please don't bring him into this conversation
Just correcting a falsehood that @Oceander was the originator of the "your ilk" term.
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You better give credit where credit is actually due.
"Your ilk" is one of DCP's favorite terms along with "you people".
You don't seem to feel any posterior pain when that term is being tossed at people critical of Trump.
Don't start getting hysterical now just because someone else uses it.
Oh for fuk's sake. So now I'm responsible for DCP's rhetoric???
"Your Ilk" was used referring to me by Oceander. But I guess it's ok if it's someone that you agree with that says it. Right?
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Oh for fuk's sake. So now I'm responsible for DCP's rhetoric???
"Your Ilk" was used referring to me by Oceander. But I guess it's ok if it's someone that you agree with that says it. Right?
:bigsilly:
This is fun
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Not to throw fuel on this fire but can the DC police be trusted...can they be controlled by an outside group or person say...like the DNC?
Well hell let's not trust any police department at any time then for fear of them being controlled by the DNC.
See how silly this can get when you go down that road?
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Well hell let's not trust any police department at any time then for fear of them being controlled by the DNC.
See how silly this can get when you go down that road?
Exactly.
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/snicker
I must be really bored right now since I keep giving in to the temptation of yanking on your ridiculous little chain.
Where are the facts that support your claim that this is something more than a botched robbery?
You're bored? Let me help. You're not yanking my chain. I'm having fun here. Aren't you?
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You're bored? Let me help. You're not yanking my chain. I'm having fun here. Aren't you?
:bigsilly:
This just keeps getting funnier and funnier
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Well hell let's not trust any police department at any time then for fear of them being controlled by the DNC.
See how silly this can get when you go down that road?
Oh please. Like suddenly, you aren't aware of the possibility (more like probability) that the DC police might be compromised by the left.... just like other areas of government.
Who the hell do you think you're fooling here?
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Oh please. Like suddenly, you aren't aware of the possibility (more like probability) that the DC police might be compromised by the left.... just like other areas of government.
Who the hell do you think you're fooling here?
In other words there simply no way to ever prove this wasn't a conspiracy in your eyes.
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Oh please. Like suddenly, you aren't aware of the possibility (more like probability) that the DC police might be compromised by the left.... just like other areas of government.
Who the hell do you think you're fooling here?
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_fibQwGjOWA/hqdefault.jpg)
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:bigsilly:
This just keeps getting funnier and funnier
See. I did help.
And by the way...
you have no idea how funny you are to me. Funny and obvious.
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In other words there simply no way to ever prove this wasn't a conspiracy in your eyes.
Which is all the more "proof" that it's really a DNC/Clinton conspiracy!
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Locked in 3, 2, 1....
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See. I did help.
And by the way...
you have no idea how funny you are to me. Funny and obvious.
:bigsilly: :bigsilly:
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Locked in 3, 2, 1....
Awww, party pooper!
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In other words there simply no way to ever prove this wasn't a conspiracy in your eyes.
How really dense can some folks (the "ilk" folks....lololol) be?
Further investigation is needed. Period. Without that, it's still an unsolved murder and still a mystery.
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I'm not the one mocking and boorishly insulting anyone of my ""ilk"" that wants to see this investigated further. That would be you....
Hold on now... I don't know of anyone here who says to sweep this under the rug. Show me where anyone said not to investigate this further. What everyone is saying is that there is no there there.
Your exuberant defense is misplaced until there is evidence to back it up.
That's what folks are saying.
I think some here are just offended when fomenting anger doesn't work... When it doesn't justify jumping on the Trump train... Sorry. Fighting liberals in defense of liberals really ain't my bag. I've got no dog in this hunt... So I ain't gonna get all excited about it any which way.
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How really dense can some folks (the "ilk" folks....lololol) be?
Further investigation is needed. Period. Without that, it's still an unsolved murder and still a mystery.
And the police are currently investigating, so what are you getting your panties in a bunch for?
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How really dense can some folks (the "ilk" folks....lololol) be?
Further investigation is needed. Period. Without that, it's still an unsolved murder and still a mystery.
Finally, a smidge of reason from you. Yes, it is an unsolved murder. But that does not make it a Clinton/DNC hit job, and what you've been arguing for here all along is that it was a Clinton/DNC hit job. Are you now giving up on that claim?
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Awww, party pooper!
Hey, I can't lock anything, I'm just predicting! Lol
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Hold on now... I don't know of anyone here who says to sweep this under the rug. Show me where anyone said not to investigate this further. What everyone is saying is that there is no there there.
Your exuberant defense is misplaced until there is evidence to back it up.
That's what folks are saying.
I think some here are just offended when fomenting anger doesn't work... When it doesn't justify jumping on the Trump train... Sorry. Fighting liberals in defense of liberals really ain't my bag. I've got no dog in this hunt... So I ain't gonna get all excited about it any which way.
:thumbsup:
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Not saying the whole PD is involved...just one bigwig can shut it all down.
botched robbery...then why didn't they rob him after he was shot....like to see the police report...
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Finally, a smidge of reason from you. Yes, it is an unsolved murder. But that does not make it a Clinton/DNC hit job, and what you've been arguing for here all along is that it was a Clinton/DNC hit job. Are you now giving up on that claim?
Where, exactly, did I claim that? Can you link me to it? Cause I really don't remember specifically saying it. Link, please?
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Hey, I can't lock anything, I'm just predicting! Lol
I hate it when they do that... :smokin:
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Not saying the whole PD is involved...just one bigwig can shut it all down.
botched robbery...then why didn't they rob him after he was shot....like to see the police report...
Because that is the nature of a botched robbery. The robber probably had no intention of shooting the guy and then, when things got out of hand and the gun went off, the robber took off immediately. A robber doesn't shoot first and then scavenge the corpse; a robber typically uses a weapon as a bluff to get the victim to hand his goods over willingly; it's when that bluff gets called that things go south.
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Oh please. Like suddenly, you aren't aware of the possibility (more like probability) that the DC police might be compromised by the left.... just like other areas of government.
Who the hell do you think you're fooling here?
SO WHAT? Who takes it over then. The FBI? What if they say there's nothing there? Will you believe THEM? And why? Their credibility is just as questionable and political these days...
How does this end without evidence?
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Where, exactly, did I claim that? Can you link me to it? Cause I really don't remember specifically saying it. Link, please?
That's the side you adopted when you launched yourself into this discussion. That, or you simply chose to argue against me because you dislike me personally.
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SO WHAT? Who takes it over then. The FBI? What if they say there's nothing there? Will you believe THEM? And why? Their credibility is just as questionable and political these days...
How does this end without evidence?
They'd just claim the FBI was bought out by the DNC/Clinton cabal then.
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That's the side you adopted when you launched yourself into this discussion. That, or you simply chose to argue against me because you dislike me personally.
You flatter yourself. And.... your attempt to assign words to me that I never posted has been duly noted. You're dishonest, IOW.
Got it.
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You flatter yourself. And.... your attempt to assign words to me that I never posted has been duly noted. You're dishonest, IOW.
Got it.
Then why the hell were you arguing against those of us whose only "sin" was saying we wanted to see some facts instead of Hannity's asinine DNC/Clinton conspiracy theories?
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Because that is the nature of a botched robbery. The robber probably had no intention of shooting the guy and then, when things got out of hand and the gun went off, the robber took off immediately. A robber doesn't shoot first and then scavenge the corpse; a robber typically uses a weapon as a bluff to get the victim to hand his goods over willingly; it's when that bluff gets called that things go south.
I find it hard to believe that a robber would shoot someone IN THE BACK after failing to rob the person. How often does that happen? Got any stats to back that up?
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I find it hard to believe that a robber would shoot someone IN THE BACK after failing to rob the person. How often does that happen? Got any stats to back that up?
He was shot in the back?..was he trying to run away?...sure would like to see that report.
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Then why the hell were you arguing against those of us whose only "sin" was saying we wanted to see some facts instead of Hannity's asinine DNC/Clinton conspiracy theories?
All I ever argued here was for further investigation.
After the BS and harassment from your (dare I say it? I dare. I dare) "ilk" here that served only to mock me for wanting further investigation...
I dug in.
Sue me. :silly:
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I find it hard to believe that a robber would shoot someone IN THE BACK after failing to rob the person. How often does that happen? Got any stats to back that up?
Really? The robber, who has no intention of actually shooting anyone, holds the gun to the guy's back and says "give me your wallet." The guy sasses back, the robber gets ticked off, loses it, and pops off a few rounds - unless the gun was a single-action revolver with a heavy trigger, it's very easy for it to get away from you - and then suddenly realizes that he just stepped into the big leagues; he's not a robber - a mere thief - anymore, he's now a murderer. The adrenaline pumps and he takes off for the hills. It would take more ice-water in your veins to stop and pick over the still-warm corpse than to just take off in panic.
Pretty easy, and pretty common.
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He was shot in the back?..was he trying to run away?...sure would like to see that report.
Yeah. Shot twice in the back. Does that sound like a "botched robbery" to you? I'd like to see some stats on how often that happens in "botched robberies".
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Yeah. Shot twice in the back. Does that sound like a "botched robbery" to you? I'd like to see some stats on how often that happens in "botched robberies".
It sounds exactly like a botched robbery to me. In fact, it sounds like nothing else but.
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Really? The robber, who has no intention of actually shooting anyone, holds the gun to the guy's back and says "give me your wallet." The guy sasses back, the robber gets ticked off, loses it, and pops off a few rounds - unless the gun was a single-action revolver with a heavy trigger, it's very easy for it to get away from you - and then suddenly realizes that he just stepped into the big leagues; he's not a robber - a mere thief - anymore, he's now a murderer. The adrenaline pumps and he takes off for the hills. It would take more ice-water in your veins to stop and pick over the still-warm corpse than to just take off in panic.
Pretty easy, and pretty common.
Careful now. That's some stretch you've got goin. You might sprain something.
Columbo would probably conclude that you're the robber.... or that he's in your family.... since you seem so willing to help explain how it probably happened....lolol.
That's only in the movies though. Real life motives usually translate into an agenda.
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The Daily Wire
Is the right falling for another fake news hoax with Seth Rich?
OAN and the above posted video are mentioned. Looks like quite a cast of characters pushing this story.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/16768/right-falling-another-fake-news-hoax-seth-rich-aaron-bandler (http://www.dailywire.com/news/16768/right-falling-another-fake-news-hoax-seth-rich-aaron-bandler)
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Really? The robber, who has no intention of actually shooting anyone, holds the gun to the guy's back and says "give me your wallet." The guy sasses back, the robber gets ticked off, loses it, and pops off a few rounds - unless the gun was a single-action revolver with a heavy trigger, it's very easy for it to get away from you - and then suddenly realizes that he just stepped into the big leagues; he's not a robber - a mere thief - anymore, he's now a murderer. The adrenaline pumps and he takes off for the hills. It would take more ice-water in your veins to stop and pick over the still-warm corpse than to just take off in panic.
Pretty easy, and pretty common.
Doesn't even need to be a robbery. Motiveless murders happen all the time and are the least likely to be solved. I knew a guy who was murdered walking down a back road in the middle of the night. He was a teenager who didn't have any serious enemies. Someone pulled up, shot him in the side of the head and drove away. Police said it was possible the car didn't even stop rolling. Not even a shell casing was found.
I had a girlfriend who lost her grandfather the same way. He was in a canoe about a mile upstream from where I'm sitting now and someone shot him and it was never solved.
The body of my brother in law's missing sister was just found last year when a serial killer on death row confessed to the murder. She was killed in the late 70s or early 80s. The little town where her unidetified remains were found in the 90s buried her. Killed by this guy (Rodney Alcala) who was a former dating game contestant.
(http://i.imgur.com/niL4y0A.jpg)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261597/Rodney-Alcala-Authorities-seek-identify-victims-serial-killer-responsible-130-deaths.html
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It sounds exactly like a botched robbery to me. In fact, it sounds like nothing else but.
The killer could have had any number of motivations.
I could say, derived from my own experience, that it sounds like a hit and it would have as much merit as your assertion.
But we don't know, yet.
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But we don't know, yet.
For emphasis.
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A mugger shot Seth twice and didn't take anything just like Vince Foster shot himself in Ft. Marcy Park and left almost no blood at the scene!
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Not saying the whole PD is involved...just one bigwig can shut it all down.
botched robbery...then why didn't they rob him after he was shot....like to see the police report...
Cops were already on the lookout in that area for the perp from two previous robberies.
The noise of a gun going off and the attention it attracts scared him off before he could take anything.
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A mugger shot Seth twice and didn't take anything just like Vince Foster shot himself in Ft. Marcy Park and left almost no blood at the scene!
The first one happens all the time.
The second one has nothing g to do with this discussion.
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A mugger shot Seth twice and didn't take anything just like Vince Foster shot himself in Ft. Marcy Park and left almost no blood at the scene!
Not just shot twice. Shot twice in the back. The robber must have been ancient. He not only forgot to shoot him in the front....he also forgot to take anything.
It takes some really flexible mental gymnastics to swallow that story so willingly and so readily. I'm just wondering why that is.
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The first one happens all the time.
The second one has nothing g to do with this discussion.
Oh push off. It's not like you've never brought up anything in a thread that wasn't pertinent. Puhleeeze.
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My aplogies. I don't mean to sidetrack the discussion, but if you will allow me this aside.
Killed by this guy (Rodney Alcala) who was a former dating game contestant.
@Cripplecreek - I had to bing that one.
(http://www.theparanormalguide.com/uploads/1/7/3/8/17382059/613089.jpg?408)
The Dating Game photo
And in this photo he looks Bundyesque:
(https://media.bizarrepedia.com/images/young-rodney-alcala-2.jpg)
That is all. Apologies again for the diversion.
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The killer could have had any number of motivations.
I could say, derived from my own experience, that it sounds like a hit and it would have as much merit as your assertion.
But we don't know, yet.
The problem is.... if you get enough folks like some here that serve only to mock and ridicule anyone wanting a thorough, further investigation (like myself)..... and before you know it... there will be no more investigation. The case will be closed, marked as unsolved or chalked up to that "botched robbery" BS, and that will be that. Mission accomplished. Right guys? (you know who you are)
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“The Five” co-host Kimberly Guilfoyle announced on Wednesday she would be filling in for Hannity during his absence.
And I have certainly enjoyed the extra hour of Kimberly Guilfoyle, let me tell you.
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The problem is.... if you get enough folks like some here that serve only to mock and ridicule anyone wanting a thorough, further investigation (like myself)..... and before you know it... there will be no more investigation. The case will be closed, marked as unsolved or chalked up to that "botched robbery" BS, and that will be that. Mission accomplished. Right guys? (you know who you are)
You have to be leery of anyone who attempts to shut down discussion with ridicule.
Actually it's an old Leftist/Alinsky tactic.
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You have to be leery of anyone who attempts to shut down discussion with ridicule.
Actually it's an old Leftist/Alinsky tactic.
Exactly right. And trust me.... I am.....very leery of that tactic. Especially when being used by those who claim to be other than left-leaning.
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The problem is.... if you get enough folks like some here that serve only to mock and ridicule anyone wanting a thorough, further investigation (like myself)..... and before you know it... there will be no more investigation. The case will be closed, marked as unsolved or chalked up to that "botched robbery" BS, and that will be that. Mission accomplished. Right guys? (you know who you are)
Okay , come on now. I'm more-or-less of a similar viewpoint you are on this issue (because it is healthier to assume government misdeeds than to assume they have anyone's best interests in mind), but number one - you and I have no power whatsoever to pressure a State Prosecutor to go forward or lay off of an investigation. Second, the folks you would impugn with 'mission accomplished' and attempting to shut down a discussion because they are in-realiy 'left-leaning', discredits any salient argument you might otherwise make.
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Okay , come on now. I'm more-or-less of a similar viewpoint you are on this issue (because it is healthier to assume government misdeeds than to assume they have anyone's best interests in mind), but number one - you and I have no power whatsoever to pressure a State Prosecutor to go forward or lay off of an investigation. Second, the folks you would impugn with 'mission accomplished' and attempting to shut down a discussion because they are in-realiy 'left-leaning', discredits any salient argument you might otherwise make.
Not really. But you are free to think as you please.
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You have to be leery of anyone who attempts to shut down discussion with ridicule.
Actually it's an old Leftist/Alinsky tactic.
And sometimes a cigar is just a good smoke - and some people don't have anything worth saying; case in point are the fact-free conspiracy freaks on this thread.
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And sometimes a cigar is just a good smoke - and some people don't have anything worth saying; case in point are the fact-free conspiracy freaks on this thread.
You know, you're really good at that name-calling, ridicule shtick. Just the kind of tactics the poster was referring to, in fact.
(if it walks, quacks, and talks like a.....)
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You know, you're really good at that name-calling, ridicule shtick. Just the kind of tactics the poster was referring to, in fact.
(if it walks, quacks, and talks like a.....)
Like I said, when it's deserved, it's deserved. You back for thirds, or what?
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Like I said, when it's deserved, it's deserved. You back for thirds, or what?
Why? You intend to keep up the tactics?
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Why? You intend to keep up the tactics?
And fourths? You are a glutton for punishment.
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Not really. But you are free to think as you please.
Okay well then show us the proof that the folks dissing your assumption in this story are in -reality 'left leaning'.
I mean can we see some statements or comments that would lend us to recognize that these folks are 'left-leaning' outside of simple aversion to anything that smells of a conspiracy?
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While people are indeed free to think as they please, less of the name calling.
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And fourths? You are a glutton for punishment.
I haven't seen any punishment. You're dreaming AND inflating yourself there. All I see is a lot of BS thrown around by certain "ilk".
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I haven't seen any punishment. You're dreaming AND inflating yourself there. All I see is a lot of BS thrown around by certain "ilk".
And fifths! What a glutton.
Ah, so wanting an investigation that is based on facts is just "a lot of BS thrown around" now? That's more or less what I figured. I want an investigation based on facts. What do you want?
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Okay well then show us the proof that the folks dissing your assumption in this story are in -reality 'left leaning'.
I mean can we see some statements or comments that would lend us to recognize that these folks are 'left-leaning' outside of simple aversion to anything that smells of a conspiracy?
I'm not going to play your stupid game, INVAR. And stop putting words in my mouth that I didn't say. Oceander has already dishonestly done that in this thread. Now you?
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I'm not going to play your stupid game, INVAR. And stop putting words in my mouth that I didn't say. Oceander has already dishonestly done that in this thread. Now you?
Hardly. I am all in favor of an investigation, and all I want are facts. You oppose me. Therefore, you are opposed to either an investigation or to the facts. Which one is it?
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And fifths! What a glutton.
Ah, so wanting an investigation that is based on facts is just "a lot of BS thrown around" now? That's more or less what I figured. I want an investigation based on facts. What do you want?
Good grief. What the hell are you bleating about? You don't want any investigation. That much is obvious. You've already 'bought into' that botched robbery story. Who, really, are you trying to fool here?
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And sometimes a cigar is just a good smoke - and some people don't have anything worth saying; case in point are the fact-free conspiracy freaks on this thread.
Everyone!
May I have your attention, please?!
We're going to let Oceander do all the talking from now on. He's the only one with anything to say that is of any worth.
Proceed, your Worthiness. :tongue2:
Sheesh. Lighten up, Francis.
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Come on, guys. 11513
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Good grief. What the hell are you bleating about? You don't want any investigation. That much is obvious. You've already 'bought into' that botched robbery story. Who, really, are you trying to fool here?
Ahh, so when I type the words "I want an investigation" I'm really typing something else? Something so secret that only you are brilliant enough to figure it out?
All I want are the facts. Where are they? Put up or shut up. Provide facts, not political fantasy.
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Everyone!
May I have your attention, please?!
We're going to let Oceander do all the talking from now on. He's the only one with anything to say that is of any worth.
Proceed, your Worthiness. :tongue2:
Sheesh. Lighten up, Francis.
:bigsilly:
Thanks.
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Said it on the other Rich thread - show me the police report.
Not some journo's interpretation - show me the actual report.
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Said it on the other Rich thread - show me the police report.
Not some journo's interpretation - show me the actual report.
Anything that involves actual facts would be great.
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Hardly. I am all in favor of an investigation, and all I want are facts. You oppose me. Therefore, you are opposed to either an investigation or to the facts. Which one is it?
I want an investigation of the incident.... so that the facts of the incident can be uncovered and revealed. I have made that quite clear throughout this thread. For that I've been ridiculed and mocked, throughout this thread. Why?
You have an agenda here. What is it?
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Said it on the other Rich thread - show me the police report.
Not some journo's interpretation - show me the actual report.
Gonna have to wait until the investigation by the DC Police is officially wrapped up.
Either that or file a FOIA request.
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I want an investigation of the incident.... so that the facts of the incident can be uncovered and revealed. I have made that quite clear throughout this thread. For that I've been ridiculed and mocked, throughout this thread. Why?
You have an agenda here. What is it?
My agenda is this: facts first, speculation second, particularly political speculation. Until and unless there are facts that suggest otherwise there is absolutely no call to start pulling out the old Clinton murder conspiracy B.S. and turning this guy's tragic death into some politically-motivated hit.
Where are the facts that would differentiate this from all of the other tragic killings in D.C.?
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Ahh, so when I type the words "I want an investigation" I'm really typing something else? Something so secret that only you are brilliant enough to figure it out?
All I want are the facts. Where are they? Put up or shut up. Provide facts, not political fantasy.
And you think you're so damned clever (you'd be wrong about that too...lol). You claim to want an investigation 'based on the facts'. The Catch-22 here is.... (and here's the part where you 'think' you so clever).... that there are no pertinent facts yet.... unless or until there's a thorough investigation.... since the DC police have deemed it.....(according to you naysayers...and fact-less, mind you), to be a "botched robbery".
Not working. Try again?
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And you think you're so damned clever (you'd be wrong about that too...lol). You claim to want an investigation 'based on the facts'. The Catch-22 here is.... (and here's the part where you 'think' you so clever).... that there are no pertinent facts yet.... unless or until there's a thorough investigation.... since the DC police have deemed it.....(according to you naysayers...and fact-less, mind you), to be a "botched robbery".
Not working. Try again?
Then you need to come up with facts that say the police investigation is wrong. So far you haven't.
So, I ask again: where are the facts. Put up or shut up.
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My agenda is this: facts first, speculation second, particularly political speculation. Until and unless there are facts that suggest otherwise there is absolutely no call to start pulling out the old Clinton murder conspiracy B.S. and turning this guy's tragic death into some politically-motivated hit.
Where are the facts that would differentiate this from all of the other tragic killings in D.C.?
Well....now we're getting somewhere. You just admitted, albeit in a round-about way (figures).... that you don't really want an investigation. I knew it, but nice to see you being honest at least about that. Bravo!
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I'm not going to play your stupid game, INVAR. And stop putting words in my mouth that I didn't say. Oceander has already dishonestly done that in this thread. Now you?
What 'stupid game'? Why so freaking defensive?
YOU SAID:
The problem is.... if you get enough folks like some here that serve only to mock and ridicule anyone wanting a thorough, further investigation (like myself)..... and before you know it... there will be no more investigation. The case will be closed, marked as unsolved or chalked up to that "botched robbery" BS, and that will be that. Mission accomplished. Right guys? (you know who you are)
Which was followed by:
You have to be leery of anyone who attempts to shut down discussion with ridicule.
Actually it's an old Leftist/Alinsky tactic.
In which you then responded:
Exactly right. And trust me.... I am.....very leery of that tactic. Especially when being used by those who claim to be other than left-leaning.
Which prompted me asking you the question to provide some proof to the subtle suggestion that your detractors on this thread are 'other than left-leaning claimants' (i.e.: Left-leaners).
I simply said you are discrediting your position here (which I am in agreement with in terms of this story stinks of nefariousness) by suggesting members here are wanting to shut down the investigation and/or are 'other than left-leaning claimants'.
How else am I supposed to take your comments?
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since the DC police have deemed it.....(according to you naysayers...and fact-less, mind you), to be a "botched robbery".
It's a start. Did they say that? Police spox please, not a reporter.
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Well....now we're getting somewhere. You just admitted, albeit in a round-about way (figures).... that you don't really want an investigation. I knew it, but nice to see you being honest at least about that. Bravo!
So you know who the killer is, then? Until the killer is caught, the death should be investigated, just like every other murder. I'm happily on board with that.
But that's not what you want. You want your preconceived delusions validated that this was really a political hit job by the Clinton/DNC mafia. And for that you don't have a single shred of evidence.
So, give us the facts. Put up or shut up.
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My agenda is this: facts first, speculation second, particularly political speculation. Until and unless there are facts that suggest otherwise there is absolutely no call to start pulling out the old Clinton murder conspiracy B.S. and turning this guy's tragic death into some politically-motivated hit.
Where are the facts that would differentiate this from all of the other tragic killings in D.C.?
Look I've tried to follow all this, there seems be a persistent TROLL at work, but what I haven't seen addressed is what part Ted Cruz's father had in Rich's death.
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So you know who the killer is, then? Until the killer is caught, the death should be investigated, just like every other murder. I'm happily on board with that.
But that's not what you want. You want your preconceived delusions validated that this was really a political hit job by the Clinton/DNC mafia. And for that you don't have a single shred of evidence.
So, give us the facts. Put up or shut up.
Good God, there you go again with your bullshit lies. I never said that....YOU said it.
You sound desperate there, dude. What are you so afraid of?
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I find it odd that this twit who is in a career death spiral can warrant 13 pages of posts here at TBR.
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What 'stupid game'? Why so freaking defensive?
YOU SAID:
Which was followed by:
In which you then responded:
Which prompted me asking you the question to provide some proof to the subtle suggestion that your detractors on this thread are 'other than left-leaning claimants' (i.e.: Left-leaners).
I simply said you are discrediting your position here (which I am in agreement with in terms of this story stinks of nefariousness) by suggesting members here are wanting to shut down the investigation and/or are 'other than left-leaning claimants'.
How else am I supposed to take your comments?
:silly: :silly: :silly:
Hon.... really.... seriously..... I don't give a tinker's damn how you take my comments.
Clear?
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I find it odd that this twit who is in a career death spiral can warrant 13 pages of posts here at TBR.
That'll happen when those who believe his death was a Clinton mafia hit job cannot find a scintilla of evidence to back up their cherished political fetishes.
All I want are facts that indicate this is something more than a botched robbery. Until then, Occam's Razor - nay, simple logic 101 - says it wasn't some complicated byzantine political hit.
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(http://www.cafebucknalls.co.uk/cnc/117-large_default/nakd-berry-delight-.jpg)
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(http://www.cafebucknalls.co.uk/cnc/117-large_default/nakd-berry-delight-.jpg)
Sounds about right.
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So you know who the killer is, then? Until the killer is caught, the death should be investigated, just like every other murder. I'm happily on board with that.
But that's not what you want. You want your preconceived delusions validated that this was really a political hit job by the Clinton/DNC mafia. And for that you don't have a single shred of evidence.
Well, we never really had any 'evidence' that Vince Foster was a political hit job either - but the circumstances with the Clinton history in Arkansas lent itself to me winking with tongue firmly planted inside cheek anytime someone talked about 'Vince Foster's suicide'.
Myself, anytime there is an involvement of Democrats, The Clintons and the Oligarchy and their operatives - I prefer to err on the side of nefarious political hit jobs/kidnappings/evidence shredding/coverup and any kind of overt terror and corruption one might think of.
Just to be on the safe side and looking objectively at what goes on in the cesspool at D.C.
That's just how I prefer to look at them after a lot of observation.
And no, I cannot stand anything coming from the Alex Jones wing of tinfoildom. But this is the Clintons and the Democrat Party having their secrets leaked out we are talking about.
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Look I've tried to follow all this, there seems be a persistent TROLL at work, but what I haven't seen addressed is what part Ted Cruz's father had in Rich's death.
Damn that Lyin' Ted.........
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Good God, there you go again with your bullshit lies. I never said that....YOU said it.
But it's been imparted to you in an internet forum and so must be so.
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Look I've tried to follow all this, there seems be a persistent TROLL at work, but what I haven't seen addressed is what part Ted Cruz's father had in Rich's death.
I saw a thread earlier that his life sentence had been overturned.
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My agenda is this: facts first, speculation second, particularly political speculation. Until and unless there are facts that suggest otherwise there is absolutely no call to start pulling out the old Clinton murder conspiracy B.S. and turning this guy's tragic death into some politically-motivated hit.
Where are the facts that would differentiate this from all of the other tragic killings in D.C.?
I am all for facts. I'd love to see some. However someone who is alleged to be connected and in a position to dump possibly damning information on the DNC wakes up dead in the morning, there is going to be speculation. Or do you believe Vince Foster just drove to the park and offed himself?
In lieu of facts, and especially with past occurrences in the DC area, some coincidences are a little much to just write off. That isn't saying that some homeboy didn't hit the dead body lotto and cap someone who might be important, it is just saying that there are strong rumors that a compelling motive exists for someone to commit Murder 1.
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We're giving this thread a little rest for a while. Please cease the sniping when asked repeatedly to do so by a mod. Thanks.