Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5

[libertybele]

Posobiec is a moron, just like Daugherty.

I don't know about Posobiec, but I am definitely not a fan of Daugherty.

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2066863370607690203

[BobfromWB]

Yeah, I did. Maybe Iran can turn roombas loose to sweep that stuff up.

Only the US and China have machines capable of retrieving the uranium. - per 47.

[BobfromWB]

Scoop: CIA director doubts Iran's intentions on deal, sources say

https://www.axios.com/2026/06/15/us-iran-deal-cia-director-ratcliffe

EXCERPT

Ratcliffe, Hegseth, and Rubio don't like this "deal" but Vance, Witkoff, and Kushner were hot for it.  Makes me wonder if Witkoff and Kushner are bringing Vance into some of their real estate dealings after he leaves office.

Of course they are - I do not trust JD as far as I could throw him.

[BobfromWB]

For what it's worth...

Nothing about missile production. Looks like Iran will get US$300 billion for "reconstruction" and an additional US$300 billion from frozen funds.

Looks like the US get nothing except cheaper gas, while forking over billions to Iran for this and that.

Looks like a near unconditional surrender by 47 who gets to wave a piece of paper.

Hidden is the >US$10 trillion "investment" by Qatar in the US. Islam takes more of the US under the table bribe by a hostile nation: Qatar.

[DCPatriot]

I don't know about Posobiec, but I am definitely not a fan of Daugherty.

Follow them both. Find Daugherty a real "pick-me-upper" 

Sometimes Posobiec looks in need of a bath.  Or, two!

[libertybele]

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2066863370607690203

Rather than a presser he should do a Presidential address to to nation. It needs to be done at prime time -- 8:00 p.m., so more Americans can hear it.

[libertybele]

Follow them both. Find Daugherty a real "pick-me-upper" 

Sometimes Posobiec looks in need of a bath.  Or, two!

That's what turns me  off about Daugherty -- sure he always projects positivity -- but I would like the news to be relayed accurately.  I don't want to listen to anyone that sugar coats the situation. That's not true journalism. He's obviously biased.

[Bigun]

Iranians who stood against the regime are left feeling frustrated and angry as details emerge of the peace deal between Washington and Tehran.

They're not the only ones! Betrayals are NOT what I voted for!

[catfish1957]

They're not the only ones! Betrayals are NOT what I voted for!

Iranian dissidents should have compared notes with the Kurds.  Considering we are now at the level of energy dominance, we have no need for business over there at all.  Let the countries who need that oil foot the bills for political discourse.

[Bigun]

Iranian dissidents should have compared notes with the Kurds.  Considering we are now at the level of energy dominance, we have no need for business over there at all.  Let the countries who need that oil foot the bills for political discourse.

When a President of the United States of America makes a statement like "Help is on the way!" he should mean it! Lives are put at risk if he doesn't!

I'm 77 years old and everything I once believed about this country has been proven a lie! I'm done!

[DCPatriot]

When a President of the United States of America makes a statement like "Help is on the way!" he should mean it! Lives are put at risk if he doesn't!

I'm 77 years old and everything I once believed about this country has been proven a lie! I'm done!

I'm pretty sure it was the IRGC that executed 40,000 civilians and not the Regular Army.

The Republican Guard served not only as bodyguards to the Leaders but also as Sharia Enforcers.

Once they're addressed, Iran should quiet down nicely.

[BobfromWB]

Vice President JD Vance vowed “not a single cent of American money” will go to Iran under President Donald Trump’s proposed peace deal, pushing back on reported dollar figures and calling them “Iranian propaganda.”

Weasel worded as one might expect from JD

American money - there's the rub. Its $US300 billion of Iran's frozen assets.

[BobfromWB]

We learned a tough lesson in Iraq.  The people of Iran are going to have to help themselves on this one.

I think the Kurds might have some guns.

 

Nope, no help there. The Kurds remember US betrayals as the Persians are learning.

[Bigun]

I'm pretty sure it was the IRGC that executed 40,000 civilians and not the Regular Army.

The Republican Guard served not only as bodyguards to the Leaders but also as Sharia Enforcers.

Once they're addressed, Iran should quiet down nicely.

Do you imagine that any of that makes a damned bit of difference to people all over the world who are watching and taking notes? I don't! Not for one second! Liars lie!

[Right_in_Virginia]

When a President of the United States of America makes a statement like "Help is on the way!" he should mean it! Lives are put at risk if he doesn't!

The POTUS has the right -- no, the responsibility --- to change course to prevent the deaths of our soldiers and thé quagmire of another forever regime change war.

You apparently feel very badly for the Iranian dissidents. Maybe you can convince Israel to help them.

@Bigun

[BobfromWB]

When a President of the United States of America makes a statement like "Help is on the way!" he should mean it! Lives are put at risk if he doesn't!

I'm 77 years old and everything I once believed about this country has been proven a lie! I'm done!

I'm much older and was done at B. Clinton.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I'm pretty sure it was the IRGC that executed 40,000 civilians and not the Regular Army.

When did these 40,000 executions take place @DCPatriot ?

[Bigun]

I'm much older and was done at B. Clinton.

That was the beginning of the end for sure!

[Bigun]

The POTUS has the right -- no, the responsibility --- to change course to prevent the deaths of our soldiers and thé quagmire of another forever regime change war.

You apparently feel very badly for the Iranian dissidents. Maybe you can convince Israel can help them.

@Bigun

@Right_in_Virginia NO president has the right to lie in this fashion! Never has and never will!

[DCPatriot]

When did these 40,000 executions take place @DCPatriot ?

@Right_in_Virginia

We were told that they transpired over a ten-day period, where people were dragged from the their homes, jobs, or hospital beds.

"... up to 40K".  

[Right_in_Virginia]

Iranian dissidents should have compared notes with the Kurds.  Considering we are now at the level of energy dominance, we have no need for business over there at all.  Let the countries who need that oil foot the bills for political discourse.

I'd add let the countries in the neighborhood help the dissidents.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

We were told that they transpired over a ten-day period, where people were dragged from the their homes, jobs, or hospital beds.

"... up to 40K".  

Shouldn't there be at least one mass grave?  ---- Have I missed this report?

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia NO president has the right to lie in this fashion! Never has and never will!

Of course the President can change direction @Bigun --- especially if the initial assessment reported was exaggerated or flat out wrong.  I suspect the American president was the victim of a lie here, not the author.

[Hoodat]

Shouldn't there be at least one mass grave?  ---- Have I missed this report?

That's the same question Holocaust deniers said about the Jews.

[Bigun]

Of course the President can change direction @Bigun --- especially if the initial assessment reported was exaggerated or flat out wrong.  I suspect the American president was the victim of a lie here, not the author.

Passing the buck doesn't play with me @Right_in_Virginia

[libertybele]

Of course the President can change direction @Bigun --- especially if the initial assessment reported was exaggerated or flat out wrong.  I suspect the American president was the victim of a lie here, not the author.

Ok, Trump was lied to by whom @Right_in_Virginia ???  There have been reports of past Generals, Cain and others who warned Trump that Iran cannot be trusted yet Trump abruptly stops bombing, creates ceasefires which Iran broke several times ... and now an agreement has been reached with reports reflecting that Iran has gotten the better end of the stick. 

Both sides of Congress do not know what is in this agreement; that is according to Chuckie and Cruz.  I still trust Cruz.  He's speaking up on this subject IMO because reports of what he's been  hearing don't sit well with him. I think he's likely getting better information than we are.

[Right_in_Virginia]

That's the same question Holocaust deniers said about the Jews.

I'm sure you explained about the gas ovens.

[DCPatriot]

@Right_in_Virginia

Let's not forget that there was a complete internet blackout in Iran.  So, just being pragmatic here.

Anybody who has digital pics of bodies stacked in the streets...they sure as heck aren't going to rush to post them NOW., when it means some gang pounding on your door at 5AM

[Bigun]

Given all that has taken place in the world since 1945, what do you think the word of a U. S. President is worth today anywhere?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Ok, Trump was lied to by whom @Right_in_Virginia ???

Feb 11, 2026 in the White House Situation Room Netanyahu and Mossad presented to the President their "evidence" that the war would be won quickly and how; that both nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities would be destroyed,  how the regime would quickly collapse and be too weak to disrupt the Strait of Hormuz, presented photos and bios of those who should be considered as replacements for the Mullahs, and gave assurances that the Iranian people were waiting in the shadows prepared to join the fight against the mullahs and recommended the Kurds join the fight.

Trump's mistake:  he believed Netanyahu and his team and took to Truth Social before our intelligence agencies and assets in the region could correct the assumptions and conclusions from Netanyahu and Mossad.   Once they did, Trump made the requisite changes.

And, yes, @libertybele there is a link, and you've already got it 

 

There have been reports of past Generals, Cain and others who warned Trump that Iran cannot be trusted yet Trump abruptly stops bombing, creates ceasefires which Iran broke several times ... and now an agreement has been reached with reports reflecting that Iran has gotten the better end of the stick. 

There have been similar reports that Israeli intelligence must be verified prior to taking action based on it.  I think this lesson has been learned and incorporated.    **The Gulf States have now also been given a full hearing.**

As for the MOU, let's talk about this when we both know what's in it.  Thanks.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

Let's not forget that there was a complete internet blackout in Iran.  So, just being pragmatic here.

Good point. 

Anybody who has digital pics of bodies stacked in the streets...they sure as heck aren't going to rush to post them NOW., when it means some gang pounding on your door at 5AM[/size]

Mossad? CIA?  Nothing from either?  Or am I thinking of a Clancy novel?   

@DCPatriot

[mystery-ak]

When did these 40,000 executions take place @DCPatriot ?

We may never know the exact number murdered....the Iranian people came out onto their streets upon hearing *Help is on the way*....IRGC mowed them down with machine guns on the back of trucks this happened many times all over Iran...I think the real estimate is probably some where between 30~40k...

This will answer some of your questions
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jan/27/iran-protests-death-toll-disappeared-bodies-mass-burials-30000-dead

another link
https://iranhumanrights.org/2026/01/unreported-atrocities-eyewitnesses-detail-massive-and-deadly-state-crackdown-against-protesters-in-irans-provincial-cities-2/

[Right_in_Virginia]

Given all that has taken place in the world since 1945, what do you think the word of a U. S. President is worth today anywhere?

Please, get over it, my friend.  Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater over this,  Help will come from others. Think of them as our proxies.

[libertybele]

Feb 11, 2026 in the White House Situation Room Netanyahu and Mossad presented to the President their "evidence" that the war would be won quickly and how; that both nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities would be destroyed,  how the regime would quickly collapse and be too weak to disrupt the Strait of Hormuz, presented photos and bios of those who should be considered as replacements for the Mullahs, and gave assurances that the Iranian people were waiting in the shadows prepared to join the fight against the mullahs and recommended the Kurds join the fight.

Trump's mistake:  he believed Netanyahu and his team and took to Truth Social before our intelligence agencies and assets in the region could correct the assumptions and conclusions from Netanyahu and Mossad.   Once they did, Trump made the requisite changes.

And, yes, @libertybele there is a link, and you've already got it 

 
There have been similar reports that Israeli intelligence must be verified prior to taking action based on it.  I think this lesson has been learned and incorporated.    **The Gulf States have now also been given a full hearing.**

As for the MOU, let's talk about this when we both know what's in it.  Thanks.

IIRC the link that you are referring to about Bibi being a liar and being responsible for Trump attacking Iran was from the NYT.  So -- what you would like me to believe is that Trump trusted Bibi over his own generals and Secretary of War???   Not buying that.  In prior posts, you also want me to believe that Bibi doesn't have a responsibility to defend his people after his country was brutally attacked on Oct. 7? 

If we move past Israel being the supposed evildoer that insisted that Trump attack Iran, that leaves either his generals, Hegseth, Rubio or Kushner and Witcofff.   You know darn well who I suspect. 

As for what is in the MOU, I don't know if we will accurately be given that information. IMO the truth will come out when we actually see what transpires between the U.S. and Iran.

As for Bibi  -- I do believe that he may have had intel that indicated that Iran was weeks away from nuclear capabilities. 

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) assess that Iran has not built a bomb, but the country has a highly advanced nuclear program and possesses the technology and materials needed to build one relatively quickly if its leaders decide to do so. 

Oh wait .... we're supposed to trust Iran as they have promised not to build a nuke?  Seriously??? 

https://www.cfr.org/articles/what-are-irans-nuclear-and-missile-capabilities

[Luis Gonzalez]

Given all that has taken place in the world since 1945, what do you think the word of a U. S. President is worth today anywhere?

The vast majority of the US population who could remember 1945, because they lived through it, or were taught about the meaning of 1945 in the public school system, are mostly dead now.

Glad we're still around to bitch about the old days @Bigun

 

[Idiot]

Heck..I’d consider it a win to get the straight opened and make sure they have no nukes. We need to arm the general Iranian population in some way.  Is that worth US lives?  I personally don’t think so.

[verga]

@BobfromWB
Here are your posts:
Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #587 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 03:14 am »
They make tunneling machines; they just need to tunnel in from some other point.

Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #664 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 01:17 pm »
Look it up. How do you suppose people drill car tunnels, mining tunnels? Nothing to do with Uranium centrifuges. Period.
You start a tunnel from someplace that can give you access to the buried site and tunnel until you get there. There you go, look it up.

It is tough to miss something that you NEVER SAID!

@BobfromWB either admit you never said remotely controlled, or show thew post where you did say it.

[Right_in_Virginia]

We may never know the exact number murdered....the Iranian people came out onto their streets upon hearing *Help is on the way*....IRGC mowed them down with machine guns on the back of trucks this happened many times all over Iran...I think the real estimate is probably some where between 30~40k..

There's no doubt this was brutal and unfathomable.  But, now I'm more confused than ever. I thought "help is on the way" was after the dissidents were mowed down, not the cause of the mowing.  Did I misunderstand?  @mystery-ak   

BBC
January 13, 2026

Iranian authorities will 'pay a big price', Trump says, as more than 2,000 killed in protest crackdown

Adam Goldsmith
Live reporter


US President Donald Trump today urged protesters in Iran to keep going, and promised that "help is on its way".

This is the clearest hint yet that Trump is set on some kind of direct intervention, writes our world affairs correspondent, but details of the "help" remain scarce.

Trump also announced he was cancelling meetings with Iranian officials "until the senseless killing" stops.

In Iran, protests have quietened. Though details of the deaths and injuries following the crackdown on demonstrators are now being laid bare.

An Iranian security official tells Reuters it could be around 2,000 people, a figure similarly reflected by the US-based Human Rights Activists News Agency (HRANA).

As a result of the days-long internet blackout in Iran, it's hard to know exactly how many have been killed in violent clashes between demonstrators and security forces.

Meanwhile, the family of Iranian protester Erfan Soltani, arrested on Thursday, say he will be executed tomorrow. They warn the government is using "every tactic they know to suppress people and spread fear."

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cj691w2e840t

[mystery-ak]

Presidential memo warns fragile supply chains could jeopardize US munitions readiness

The White House has warned War Secretary Pete Hegseth about the need to ramp up U.S. weapons production.

A new presidential determination warns that constraints in the U.S. munitions industrial base may pose a “direct threat” to national defense preparedness — even as Hegseth has publicly pushed back on claims that the U.S. is facing a weapons shortage.

    "In particular, systemic constraints in the munitions industrial base, including limited production capacity, fragile supply chains, long-lead dependencies, and related production bottlenecks, may impair the ability of the United States to produce, sustain, and expand the availability of munitions, missiles, and equipment required for the national defense."
    - Presidential Determination

The June 11 memorandum, scheduled for publication in the Federal Register, says systemic problems in the munitions industrial base — including limited production capacity, fragile supply chains, long-lead dependencies and production bottlenecks — may impair the country’s ability to “produce, sustain, and expand” the availability of munitions, missiles and equipment required for national defense.

The determination comes after Hegseth denied that the U.S. is facing a munitions stockpile crisis, calling that claim a “manufactured story” and saying U.S. stockpiles are “great” and “only getting stronger” during an appearance on CBS's “Face the Nation.”

Hegseth has also said there is “no shortage” of U.S. munitions tied to American operations against Iran, arguing that U.S. defensive and offensive stockpiles allow the military to sustain the campaign as long as needed.

But the presidential memorandum points to industrial-base vulnerabilities that could affect the nation’s ability to replenish and expand critical weapons supplies. It delegates authority to the Secretary of War under Section 708 of the Defense Production Act to provide for voluntary agreements and plans of action to help support the national defense.

The determination, listed as Presidential Determination No. 2026-15, was filed June 16 and is scheduled for publication June 17.

FOX Business Network White House Correspondent Edward Lawrence contributed to this report.
Posted by Eric Mack

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/Ebrahimazizi33/status/2066938846739140725

[mystery-ak]

The Senate is expected to take a procedural vote at approximately 3 p.m. ET on Tuesday on a new Iran War Powers resolution.

Senate Democrats still plan to force the vote despite a memorandum of understanding (MOU) agreed to by the U.S. and Iran.

The vote is expected to be close again.

A previous procedural vote on a similar resolution succeeded 50-47 on May 19, though several Republicans were absent that day.

Fox News' Senior Capitol Hill Producer Kelly Phares contributed to this report.
Posted by Eric Mack

[rustynail]

John Thune has a face like a prune.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Heck..I’d consider it a win to get the straight opened and make sure they have no nukes. We need to arm the general Iranian population in some way.  Is that worth US lives?  I personally don’t think so.

Ditto.

[Right_in_Virginia]

John Thune has a face like a prune.

You're too kind.

[mystery-ak]

There's no doubt this was brutal and unfathomable.  But, now I'm more confused than ever. I thought "help is on the way" was after the dissidents were mowed down, not the cause of the mowing.  Did I misunderstand?  @mystery-ak   

Correct me if I am wrong..I am pretty sure the *Help is on the way* statements brought the people to the streets on several occasions...all to be arrested or shot until they stopped doing it...and Trump stopping making these statements.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Correct me if I am wrong..I am pretty sure the *Help is on the way* statements brought the people to the streets on several occasions...all to be arrested or shot until they stopped doing it..

I don't know ......

[libertybele]

Presidential memo warns fragile supply chains could jeopardize US munitions readiness

The White House has warned War Secretary Pete Hegseth about the need to ramp up U.S. weapons production.

A new presidential determination warns that constraints in the U.S. munitions industrial base may pose a “direct threat” to national defense preparedness — even as Hegseth has publicly pushed back on claims that the U.S. is facing a weapons shortage.

    "In particular, systemic constraints in the munitions industrial base, including limited production capacity, fragile supply chains, long-lead dependencies, and related production bottlenecks, may impair the ability of the United States to produce, sustain, and expand the availability of munitions, missiles, and equipment required for the national defense."
    - Presidential Determination

The June 11 memorandum, scheduled for publication in the Federal Register, says systemic problems in the munitions industrial base — including limited production capacity, fragile supply chains, long-lead dependencies and production bottlenecks — may impair the country’s ability to “produce, sustain, and expand” the availability of munitions, missiles and equipment required for national defense.

The determination comes after Hegseth denied that the U.S. is facing a munitions stockpile crisis, calling that claim a “manufactured story” and saying U.S. stockpiles are “great” and “only getting stronger” during an appearance on CBS's “Face the Nation.”

Hegseth has also said there is “no shortage” of U.S. munitions tied to American operations against Iran, arguing that U.S. defensive and offensive stockpiles allow the military to sustain the campaign as long as needed.

But the presidential memorandum points to industrial-base vulnerabilities that could affect the nation’s ability to replenish and expand critical weapons supplies. It delegates authority to the Secretary of War under Section 708 of the Defense Production Act to provide for voluntary agreements and plans of action to help support the national defense.

The determination, listed as Presidential Determination No. 2026-15, was filed June 16 and is scheduled for publication June 17.

FOX Business Network White House Correspondent Edward Lawrence contributed to this report.
Posted by Eric Mack

This is very concerning.  Hegseth is denying that the U.S.,  has a munitions stockpile crisis , while if I am understanding this correctly this memo is saying otherwise.  So .... which is it?  Is Hegseth's denial true or is there a legitimate reason to be concerned that our stockpiles of munitions are low?

In taking in consideration the abrupt halt in the bombings in Iran, being low on munitions would be a reasonable explanation as to why.

Hegseth though, doesn't come across as someone who would deny something so important...or am I missing something here???