Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4

[mystery-ak]

U.S. Apache Helicopter Crashes Over Strait of Hormuz, Pilots Safely Recovered Says Trump

President Trump confirmed two crew members of a U.S. Army Apache Helicopter that crashed near the Strait of Hormuz are uninjured and “fine”.

A U.S. Army AH-64 Apache, a helicopter gunship well suited to patrolling waterways and hunting small attack boats, was lost on or near the Strait of Hormuz on Monday. Its two crew members were rescued and it is not immediately clear why the crash happened.

U.S. President Donald Trump made a brief statement on the loss as he boarded Air Force One overnight, stating: “the pilots are fine… nobody injured. We are going to issue a report tomorrow but the pilots are fine”.

UPDATE 0700 ET — CENTCOM statement

Following the comments from President Trump earlier, the promised report from U.S. Central Command has now arrived. They said two crew members from the Apache helicopter were rescued at 19:33 Eastern Time on Monday evening, which would make it the early hours of Tuesday morning local time in the Persian Gulf “after their helicopter went down near the coast of Oman while patrolling regional waters.”

The two crewmembers were “safely rescued” after two hours and are in stable condition, CONTCOM said. An investigation into the crash is now underway.

https://twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/2045468301799645569

more
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2026/06/09/u-s-helicopter-crashes-over-strait-of-hormuz-pilots-safe-says-president/

[BobfromWB]

‘Israel may not like that’: Touting potential ‘home run’ deal, Vance says key US objective is preventing Iran from getting nukes

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-may-not-like-that-touting-potential-home-run-deal-vance-says-key-us-objective-is-preventing-iran-from-getting-nukes/

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Vance just lost me for good with this stupid, tin-eared nonsense.

Never liked the Pit Bull even before 47 picked him. Now he just plain worse.

[BobfromWB]

Link?

See top of his comment for the link

[verga]

You still don't get it.  Sometimes you come close, but scutter away as though it's too physically hot to even consider. 

This is the President's POV regarding war in the Middle East: 

Trump's thinking outside the box .... trying to prevent another ME generation from fighting the same damn war.  You don't do this by sending in the usual clowns to rehash the same worn out playbook and proposals.

Trump's trying to move the region from the battlefield to new alliances forged in the arena of global commerce.

Let Trump be Trump ---  He's not trying to herd cats, he's trying to remold a bastion of tribal animosities. 

Sincerely wish him luck.  This could be his finest hour --- and ours.

@Right_in_Virginia That is a great idea, and I hope that it comes to pass. That said conflict in this region has been going on for literally thousands of years. To think that you can change hearts and minds in several months may be the height of hubris. I am not sure if you can change it in a generation, it might take two or even three generations. Anwar Sadat allowed himself to be assassinated in 1981 to try and get the Camp David accord accepted by his country.

[verga]

Do you know why the Israelites had to wander in the desert for forty years before they could enter the promised land?

@bigheadfred If you are religious the belief is that God had to break them of their attachment to the prosperity of Egypt and make them focus on Him for their needs. God Provided the manna, the quail, the water, when they could not do it on their own.

[mystery-ak]

 

Trump says peace deal with Iran could come in ‘two or three days’

The U.S. president said the agreement will prohibit Iran from having nuclear weapons and result in the immediate reopening of the Strait of Hormuz.

June 9, 2026 10:15 am CET
By Ferdinand Knapp

U.S. President Donald Trump on Tuesday said that, despite the exchange of strikes between Iran and Israel, a deal to end the war in the Middle East could be reached “in two or three days.”

“They were going back and forth [with strikes], and now they both agreed, through me, to stop, and now we’re in the final throes of what will be a very, very good deal,” Trump told reporters in New York, where he was attending the NBA finals in Madison Square Garden.

Trump said the deal would stop Iran from having nuclear weapons and result in the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz. “The strait will open up right away,” he insisted. “It’ll open up immediately upon signing.”

It is not the first time that the U.S. president has promised an imminent end to the war in Iran, which has been raging since February. Weeks have passed since Secretary of State Marco Rubio told reporters that negotiating a deal to end the war in Iran could “take a few days.”

more
https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-iran-israel-halted-attacks-after-intervention/

[Cyber Liberty]

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/2064389712127602772

[bigheadfred]

@bigheadfred If you are religious the belief is that God had to break them of their attachment to the prosperity of Egypt and make them focus on Him for their needs. God Provided the manna, the quail, the water, when they could not do it on their own.

Well yeah,sorta kinda. The oldest generations had to die off to rid themselves of the shitty thinking of at least two of the older  generations.

When it comes to the Iranians you have to kill ALL of the old guard IRGC and mad mullahs.

And by kill them all I mean kill them all. Then put the Persians in charge

Anything less and nothing will change.

[libertybele]

https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/2064389712127602772

We'll see how Trump responds .....

[mystery-ak]

Trump says Iran responsible for shooting down Apache helicopter, says US must respond

President Donald Trump blamed Iran for shooting down a U.S. Apache helicopter over the Strait of Hormuz on Monday night, vowing to respond in a Tuesday post on Truth Social.

"I have just been informed by our Great Military that last night the Iranians shot down one of our highly sophisticated Apache Helicopters while patrolling over the Strait of Hormuz. There were two pilots involved, both are safe and uninjured," Trump wrote.

"Nevertheless, the United States must, of necessity, respond to this attack. Thank you for your attention to this matter!" Trump concluded.

U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) announced a historic rescue mission for the helicopter pilots Tuesday morning, while officials confirmed to Fox News that the downed pilots were rescued using an Unmanned Surface Vessel (USV) sea drone in a first-of-its-kind mission.

The apparent aggression from Iran threatens a tenuous peace process after Trump said Monday night that a peace deal was just days away
Posted by Robert McGreevy

[Timber Rattler]

But, but, but...the ceasefire and the deal!

 

[mystery-ak]

CENTCOM loads military copter for aerial sniper mission on Arabian Sea in daring new photos


U.S. Marines with the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit load onto a UH-1Y Venom aboard USS Tripoli (LHA 7) to conduct aerial sniper and close air support training while transiting regional waters. Image courtesy of CENTCOM.

U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) posted photos Tuesday of the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit loading weapons onto a UH-1Y Venom utility helicopter for aerial sniper and close air support training.

The photos, which CENTCOM posted to X on Tuesday, showed the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit landing the helicopter on the deck of the USS Tripoli amphibious assault ship in the Arabian Sea.

Additional photos showed the Marines wielding large combat weapons, including a and a large Mini gun and a Barrett M107 sniper rifle.

CENTCOM posted the photos on the same day it announced a rescue operation of two U.S. service members in international waters near Oman.
Posted by Robert McGreevy

[BobfromWB]

But, but, but...the ceasefire and the deal!

 

Not to worry, 47 will send them new demands for a deal, very harshly worded, indeed sternly worded demands!

[libertybele]

Not to worry, 47 will send them new demands for a deal, very harshly worded, indeed sternly worded demands!

Two pilots were involved and a helicopter was shot down -- I would hope that Trump will respond with more than frivolous talk.  We'll see ...

[Idiot]

Do you know why the Israelites had to wander in the desert for forty years before they could enter the promised land?

Someone lost a quarter?

[Bigun]

Well yeah,sorta kinda. The oldest generations had to die off to rid themselves of the shitty thinking of at least two of the older  generations.

When it comes to the Iranians you have to kill ALL of the old guard IRGC and mad mullahs.

And by kill them all I mean kill them all. Then put the Persians in charge

Anything less and nothing will change.

 

[mystery-ak]

Iranian parliament speaker warns US against breaking commitments in talks

https://twitter.com/mb_ghalibaf/status/2064385577529512161

Iranian Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf on Tuesday warned the U.S. against breaking its commitments, saying Tehran prefers diplomacy but is prepared to respond if agreements are not honored.

"We prefer the language of diplomacy, but we speak other languages far more fluently. Break your commitments, and we'll switch to what we speak best," Ghalibaf wrote on X. "You ride the horse you saddled!"

The comments came just minutes before President Donald Trump said the U.S. “must respond” to Iran’s reported downing of an Army Apache helicopter.
Posted by Sophia Compton

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/2064355985884414413

[Cyber Liberty]

Iranian parliament speaker warns US against breaking commitments in talks

https://twitter.com/mb_ghalibaf/status/2064385577529512161

Iranian Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf on Tuesday warned the U.S. against breaking its commitments, saying Tehran prefers diplomacy but is prepared to respond if agreements are not honored.

"We prefer the language of diplomacy, but we speak other languages far more fluently. Break your commitments, and we'll switch to what we speak best," Ghalibaf wrote on X. "You ride the horse you saddled!"

The comments came just minutes before President Donald Trump said the U.S. “must respond” to Iran’s reported downing of an Army Apache helicopter.
Posted by Sophia Compton

Get Bleeped Mr. Speaker, nobody takes you seriously anymore!  Not since we found out you don't have the power to back up your words....

[mystery-ak]

 US Navy uses cutting-edge new drone boat to rescue Apache pilots who crashed near Strait of Hormuz
By Ronny Reyes
Published June 9, 2026
Updated June 9, 2026, 1:07 p.m. ET

A US drone boat conducted a first-of-its-kind rescue mission to save the crew of an American Apache helicopter that crashed near the Strait of Hormuz on Monday, the military said.

The unmanned vessel, powered by artificial intelligence, located the crew who had been stuck for two hours in the waters off the coast of Oman, bringing them to shore, the Wall Street Journal reported.

The operation marks the first time a high-tech US Navy drone deployed to the Middle East was used to conduct a rescue mission.


Corsair, a vessel manufactured by Saronic Technologies, is pictured Saronic Technologies


The Seahawk is a fully unmanned and autonomous vessel operated by Unmanned Surface Vessel Squadron 1 and Naval Information Warfare Center Pacific. Commander, Naval Surface Force, U.S. Pacific Fleet

The military is currently investigating if the helicopter was shot down by Iranian forces as tensions remain high along the Strait of Hormuz.

The drone boat, which was not immediately identified, was part of the Navy’s Task Force 59, which oversees uncrewed vessels and other drones powered by AI. 

The Navy previously deployed a Seahawk medium unmanned surface vessel (MUSV) with an aircraft carrier group.

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https://nypost.com/2026/06/09/us-news/us-navy-uses-drone-boat-to-rescue-apache-pilots-who-crashed-near-strait-of-humuz/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost

[libertybele]

The Speaker is warning the U.S. against breaking commitments?  The guy is a joke.  How many commitments has Iran broken.

President Trump needs to retaliate swiftly and forcefully.  If he doesn't then the U.S. will be seen as very weak.

I'm waiting to see how he responds.

[Timber Rattler]

Get Bleeped Mr. Speaker, nobody takes you seriously anymore!  Not since we found out you don't have the power to back up your words....

Is this the guy who Witkoff and Kushner are talking to?  Trump has never exactly revealed who he's trying to make a deal with, and who would be signing that MOU they're passing around as the official representative(s) of the Iranian government.

[240B]

Trump just issued a statement calling for calm saying, Nobody was hurt ... not a big issue ... Let's get back to the "DEAL"!
I'm sure it was just an accident or a misfire. I will not allow Israel to mess up my "DEAL"!.
Trump indicated that he is moving closer to releasing billions of dollars if Iran will please come back to the negotiations.
The end result of Epic Fury has to be a 'good DEAL'. I will not make a 'bad DEAL'. I want a 'good DEAL'.

[Cyber Liberty]

Trump indicated that he is moving closer to releasing billions of dollars if Iran will please come back to the negotiations.

Sounds like the kind of BS we'd hear from the NYT.  Where did you hear that?

[240B]

Sounds like the kind of BS we'd hear from the NYT.  Where did you hear that?

It is satire. I made it up. No source. No quotation marks.
It reflects my opinion of how Trump has been behaving this last month.

[Idiot]

Trump just issued a statement calling for calm saying, Nobody was hurt ... not a big issue ... Let's get back to the "DEAL"!
I'm sure it was just an accident or a misfire. I will not allow Israel to mess up my "DEAL"!.
Trump indicated that he is moving closer to releasing billions of dollars if Iran will please come back to the negotiations.
The end result of Epic Fury has to be a 'good DEAL'. I will not make a 'bad DEAL'. I want a 'good DEAL'.

The sad part is that you may be spot on....

[240B]

Trump never said that Iran was 'messing up his deal' by attacking Israel. He went straight to Israel.
He said that "Israel" is messing up his deal by responding to the Iranian attack.
Trump coddled Iran and attacked his wartime ally.

[Timber Rattler]

U.S. and Iran Zero In on Four Nuclear Issues in Talks

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/09/us/politics/iran-nuclear-deal.html

Two American officials said the negotiating channel between Mr. Araghchi and Mr. Witkoff proved critical on Sunday night through Monday morning, as Mr. Witkoff passed messages urging Iran to avoid escalation in the exchange of missile attacks with Israel. Those conversations, officials said, contributed to Iran’s declaration that it would stop firing on Israel. Mr. Trump then pressured Mr. Netanyahu to cancel a planned attack inside Iran.

For now, the interventions worked, and both sides pulled back. But with Mr. Trump vowing a response to the downing of the helicopter, it is unclear whether the nuclear negotiations will pick up where they were — at the cusp of agreement, according to the accounts of American officials — or be derailed again.

White House officials express optimism that the outbreak between Israel and Iran will prove a short diversion. The most optimistic of them believe detailed talks on the mechanisms of dismantling Iran’s nuclear program will begin in Switzerland perhaps by the middle of June.

But Iran hawks inside the administration argue — largely in private — that the American strike on Iran that began in February reinforced the view of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps that Iran’s only true security lies in maintaining a threshold capability to build a nuclear weapon.

The first camp includes Mr. Witkoff and Mr. Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and a key architect in Mr. Trump’s first term of the Abraham Accords, which began to expand the number of Arab states recognizing Israel. Together the two men visited the Oak Ridge National Laboratory on Thursday to explore what kind of equipment and expertise would be required to remove and dilute Iran’s uranium, some of which is enriched to near bomb grade.

The visit, reported earlier by Axios, underscored how close they believe they are to an accord. The two men met dozens of Energy Department and intelligence experts who have been planning for how to recover and neutralize Iran’s nuclear stockpile.

But that assumes that the United States and Iran can resolve their continuing arguments over when Iran would begin to recover the first portions of $25 billion in frozen Iranian funds. As recently as this weekend, a senior Revolutionary Guards officer told CNN that much of the money must be released upfront. “If he wants to reach an agreement with Iran, this $24 billion is a test of trust,” said Gen. Mohsen Rezaei, a military adviser to Iran’s supreme leader.

“This is our own money, not America’s money.”

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Note who's driving this thing behind the scenes...

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia That is a great idea, and I hope that it comes to pass. That said conflict in this region has been going on for literally thousands of years. To think that you can change hearts and minds in several months may be the height of hubris.

Or the next level of courage @verga    Everyone has known for years that the Middle East is stuck in a stalemate and everything that's been done has strengthened it.

We really can't solve this without new thinking; without a new vision.  Both are Trump's forte.

[Cyber Liberty]

It is satire. I made it up. No source. No quotation marks.
It reflects my opinion of how Trump has been behaving this last month.

Fair enough!

[Cyber Liberty]

U.S. and Iran Zero In on Four Nuclear Issues in Talks

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/09/us/politics/iran-nuclear-deal.html

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Note who's driving this thing behind the scenes...

Sez the New York Times!  C'mon, man!

[Right_in_Virginia]

It is satire. I made it up. No source. No quotation marks.
It reflects my opinion of how Trump has been behaving this last month.

It doesn't read as satire @240B   You probably should edit this post ⬇️ making crystal clear these are figments of your imagination and not Trump's words.

Trump just issued a statement calling for calm saying, Nobody was hurt ... not a big issue ... Let's get back to the "DEAL"!
I'm sure it was just an accident or a misfire. I will not allow Israel to mess up my "DEAL"!.
Trump indicated that he is moving closer to releasing billions of dollars if Iran will please come back to the negotiations.
The end result of Epic Fury has to be a 'good DEAL'. I will not make a 'bad DEAL'. I want a 'good DEAL'.

[240B]

It doesn't read as satire @240B   You probably should edit this post ⬇️ making crystal clear these are figments of your imagination and not Trump's words.

It doesn't read like satire because it is too close to the truth.
The idea that Trump would condemn Israel for Iran shooting down an American aircraft is suddenly plausible.

[Timber Rattler]

Sez the New York Times!  C'mon, man!

You just know that Trump's the one blabbing to his old buddies about what's going on...he's the source.  Heck, he's got Maggie Haberman on speed dial!

[mystery-ak]

Mossad Commentary
@MOSSADil
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🚨 REPORT KAN NEWS: IRAN CLAIMS U.S. UNFROZE $3 BILLION IN ASSETS
An Iranian news agency affiliated with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps claims that the United States agreed to release $3 billion in Iranian assets in exchange for Iran halting its attacks on Israel.
According to the report:
• A flight carrying the assets reportedly traveled from Abu Dhabi to Tehran despite airspace restrictions.
• The message was allegedly delivered through a Qatari delegation.
• Iran claims Washington also guaranteed that Israel would restrain its operations in Lebanon.
The report comes after a day of exchanges between Israel and Iran following the Israeli strike in Beirut's Dahiyeh district.
As of now, these claims originate from Iranian sources and should be treated with caution until independently verified.
If true, it would raise serious questions about what concessions were made behind the scenes to restore calm.

[Idiot]

Mossad Commentary
@MOSSADil
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28m
🚨 REPORT KAN NEWS: IRAN CLAIMS U.S. UNFROZE $3 BILLION IN ASSETS
An Iranian news agency affiliated with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps claims that the United States agreed to release $3 billion in Iranian assets in exchange for Iran halting its attacks on Israel.
According to the report:
• A flight carrying the assets reportedly traveled from Abu Dhabi to Tehran despite airspace restrictions.
• The message was allegedly delivered through a Qatari delegation.
• Iran claims Washington also guaranteed that Israel would restrain its operations in Lebanon.
The report comes after a day of exchanges between Israel and Iran following the Israeli strike in Beirut's Dahiyeh district.
As of now, these claims originate from Iranian sources and should be treated with caution until independently verified.
If true, it would raise serious questions about what concessions were made behind the scenes to restore calm.

oh please NOOOOOOOO

If true Trump had might as well step down.

[Timber Rattler]

Mossad Commentary
@MOSSADil
·
28m
🚨 REPORT KAN NEWS: IRAN CLAIMS U.S. UNFROZE $3 BILLION IN ASSETS
An Iranian news agency affiliated with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps claims that the United States agreed to release $3 billion in Iranian assets in exchange for Iran halting its attacks on Israel.
According to the report:
• A flight carrying the assets reportedly traveled from Abu Dhabi to Tehran despite airspace restrictions.
• The message was allegedly delivered through a Qatari delegation.
• Iran claims Washington also guaranteed that Israel would restrain its operations in Lebanon.
The report comes after a day of exchanges between Israel and Iran following the Israeli strike in Beirut's Dahiyeh district.
As of now, these claims originate from Iranian sources and should be treated with caution until independently verified.
If true, it would raise serious questions about what concessions were made behind the scenes to restore calm.

So, IF true, Trump's now doing the exact same thing that Obama did...flying in pallets of cash to the Iranians.

[Cyber Liberty]

You just know that Trump's the one blabbing to his old buddies about what's going on...he's the source.  Heck, he's got Maggie Haberman on speed dial!

Did the NYT list Trump is the source, or just speculation?

[libertybele]

Mossad Commentary
@MOSSADil
·
28m
🚨 REPORT KAN NEWS: IRAN CLAIMS U.S. UNFROZE $3 BILLION IN ASSETS
An Iranian news agency affiliated with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps claims that the United States agreed to release $3 billion in Iranian assets in exchange for Iran halting its attacks on Israel.
According to the report:
• A flight carrying the assets reportedly traveled from Abu Dhabi to Tehran despite airspace restrictions.
• The message was allegedly delivered through a Qatari delegation.
• Iran claims Washington also guaranteed that Israel would restrain its operations in Lebanon.
The report comes after a day of exchanges between Israel and Iran following the Israeli strike in Beirut's Dahiyeh district.
As of now, these claims originate from Iranian sources and should be treated with caution until independently verified.
If true, it would raise serious questions about what concessions were made behind the scenes to restore calm.

 

[Cyber Liberty]

Mossad Commentary
@MOSSADil
·
28m
🚨 REPORT KAN NEWS: IRAN CLAIMS U.S. UNFROZE $3 BILLION IN ASSETS
An Iranian news agency affiliated with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps claims that the United States agreed to release $3 billion in Iranian assets in exchange for Iran halting its attacks on Israel.
According to the report:
• A flight carrying the assets reportedly traveled from Abu Dhabi to Tehran despite airspace restrictions.
• The message was allegedly delivered through a Qatari delegation.
• Iran claims Washington also guaranteed that Israel would restrain its operations in Lebanon.
The report comes after a day of exchanges between Israel and Iran following the Israeli strike in Beirut's Dahiyeh district.
As of now, these claims originate from Iranian sources and should be treated with caution until independently verified.
If true, it would raise serious questions about what concessions were made behind the scenes to restore calm.

I don't believe this story.

[bigheadfred]

Someone lost a quarter?

 

[Timber Rattler]

Did the NYT list Trump is the source, or just speculation?

Trump's always had a cozy "background" source relationship with the NYTs.  Despite his public bluster and insults, he and Haberman are actually quite chummy---he and his dad were clients of her mom, who ran a NYC PR agency in the 1970s and 1980s.  Remember, he used to call around local radio and TV talk shows as "John Barron" too---and he still does it apparently.

The Times’s Ace Trump Reporter

https://forward.com/news/383012/maggie-haberman/

User Clip: "John Barron" from Virginia

https://www.c-span.org/clip/call-in/user-clip-john-barron-from-virginia/5193839

[mystery-ak]

The Hormuz Letter
@HormuzLetter
BREAKING: The US has informed Israel it will attack Iran in the coming hours, and pursue a non-limited  "major move" on Iran, per US officials and Israeli media.
1:56 PM · Jun 9, 2026

[240B]

The Hormuz Letter
@HormuzLetter
BREAKING: The US has informed Israel it will attack Iran in the coming hours, and pursue a non-limited  "major move" on Iran, per US officials and Israeli media.
1:56 PM · Jun 9, 2026

If true, this is classified wartime information. Who would publish this? Israel would not say a word about this.

[Cyber Liberty]

If true, this is classified wartime information. Who would publish this? Israel would not say a word about this.

Now, suddenly we are supposed to be skeptical about speculation?  Is there a scorecard I can check?

[240B]

But, but, but...the ceasefire and the deal!

 

Is this the same guy who actually threatened Israel, telling Israel NOT TO RESPOND!?