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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1350 on: May 21, 2026, 05:41:14 pm »
The Middle East was a VERY different place before 1979 and Jimmuh CAAATA unleashed hell on the earth!

The countries of the Middle East, including Israel, try to play every president like a violin. Reagan had the good sense not to take the bait. Trump led us to believe he would not be played, either.  And yet, here we are.


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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1351 on: May 21, 2026, 05:45:38 pm »
The countries of the Middle East, including Israel, try to play every president like a violin. Reagan had the good sense not to take the bait. Trump led us to believe he would not be played, either.  And yet, here we are.

Trump's mistake was taking his foot off of the gas when he had this won! I hope whoever advised him to do that rots in hell but the buck stops with Trump!!
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1352 on: May 21, 2026, 05:53:40 pm »
The Middle East was a VERY different place before 1979 and Jimmuh CAAATA unleashed hell on the earth!

And then W swooped in and eliminated the only power willing and strong enough to restrain Iran.  More proof that the US has no business meddling in the Middle East. 

Trump won in 2024 in no small part because he claimed to understand this.  Now it's looking more and more like Trump simply lied.   **nononono*

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« Reply #1353 on: May 21, 2026, 05:59:47 pm »
It doesn't take TDS to be blinded to where this is currently going or to recognize that Trump and crew seriously miscalculated what it would take to achieve his stated goals. It has cost tens of thousands of Iranian citizens their life. That is no small thing.

Any country that would butcher upwards of 45K of their UNARMED citizens simply for protesting their government leaders...that fact alone is exactly why they can under no circumstances possess nuclear arms.

Still maintain that the US and Israel can squish Iran like the cockroaches they are.  Anytime they want. 

Godspeed, Mr. President!!


 
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1354 on: May 21, 2026, 06:04:14 pm »
Any country that would butcher upwards of 45K of their UNARMED citizens simply for protesting their government leaders...that fact alone is exactly why they can under no circumstances possess nuclear arms.

Still maintain that the US and Israel can squish Iran like the cockroaches they are.  Anytime they want. 

Godspeed, Mr. President!!


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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1355 on: May 21, 2026, 06:18:04 pm »
Reports do not point to just Kushner @libertybele -----


SOS Rubio's initial explanation for the preemptive US strikes against Iran in March 2026 (restarting the war) -----

No @Right_in_Virginia it was Jared!

Donald Trump publicly stated that he launched military strikes on Iran following the advice of advisors including his son-in-law and former senior advisor, Jared Kushner.

The specific role Kushner played in the Iran offensive included:

    The Negotiation Stance: Alongside special envoy Steve Witkoff, Kushner advised Trump that Tehran was not serious about negotiations and was stalling on relinquishing its nuclear capabilities.

    Imminent Threat Assessment: Kushner, alongside Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and other officials, reportedly convinced the President that Iran posed an immediate threat to U.S. interests, pushing Trump toward decisive military action.
 
  Criticism and Conflicts: Critics and intelligence officials have scrutinized this advice, citing that Kushner's private equity firm, Affinity Partners, secured major funding from Middle Eastern states that were lobbying for a hardline stance against Iran.

Furthermore, U.S. intelligence reports contradicted the assessment that an Iranian attack on American forces was imminent.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1357 on: May 21, 2026, 06:22:31 pm »
No Iran, US deal reached yet, gaps narrow in Trump nuclear negotiations: report

No deal had been reached with the U.S. as of Thursday, a senior Iranian source told Reuters, while also claiming gaps had narrowed.

Iran has been reviewing the latest peace proposal from President Donald Trump as he warned that further military action remains on the table.

The outlet also reported Iran’s uranium enrichment and Tehran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz continued to be among the sticking points.

This came as a member of Iran’s Parliament’s National Security and Foreign Policy Committee told state TV that Tehran could act first to break the ceasefire if it believed a U.S. base was preparing an attack.

Fadahossein Maleki, a member of Iran’s Parliament’s National Security and Foreign Policy Committee, told state TV, “Anything is possible.”

“It could even come from Iran’s side, frankly. If we feel that something is happening from a U.S. base, Iran has the legitimacy to respond and prevent it,” he said, according to Iran International.
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« Reply #1358 on: May 21, 2026, 06:23:12 pm »
US reportedly used over half its THAAD interceptors defending Israel from Iran

The U.S. used more than half of its THAAD anti-missile interceptor inventory defending Israel from Iranian attacks during the war, according to reports.

The Washington Post reported the U.S. also used more than 100 SM-3 and SM-6 interceptors, while Israel used fewer than 100 Arrow interceptors and around 90 David’s Sling interceptors.

Citing an official, the outlet reported that if fighting resumes with Iran, the U.S. would likely need to use even more interceptors because the IDF has sent some missile defense batteries for maintenance.

“Israel is not capable of fighting and winning wars on its own, but nobody actually knows this because they never see the back end,” the official said.

The Pentagon denied there was any issue with sharing resources with Israel, saying, “Ballistic missile interceptors are just one tool in a vast network of systems and capabilities.”

The Israeli Embassy in Washington also said, “The U.S. has no other partner with the military willingness, readiness, shared interests and capabilities of Israel.”
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1359 on: May 21, 2026, 06:23:56 pm »
Iran missile production ‘crippled,’ regime scrambling with ‘makeshift’ arsenal: defense expert

Iran’s missile production capability has been severely crippled by recent military strikes, a leading defense expert said Thursday, pushing back on reports that Tehran has rebuilt parts of its military infrastructure faster than expected since the ceasefire began.

Draganfly CEO Cameron Chell’s remarks also came as President Donald Trump continued to pause U.S. military action while Iran reviewed Washington’s response to a proposed ceasefire framework.

“I doubt the hypersonic weapons or cruise missiles are being replenished by Iran, and it will not be at any notable speed,” defense expert Chell told Fox News Digital.

“Those are very difficult to build and require sophisticated facilities, most of which would have been already targeted by the United States,” he added.

“Those equipment parts are also much harder to get than other types of equipment.”

While Chell said Iran’s borders are “very porous” and that Iran’s allies are doing everything they can to funnel parts into the country, he said the infrastructure had already been thoroughly destroyed.

“It’s probably more than six months at the very minimum to be able to produce something again,” he said.

“Even then, it would be makeshift and wouldn't be the precision-type weapons that they've had the luxury of building over the last several years in fully equipped facilities that were properly supplied.”

“This would be overt supply and overt manufacturing, all of which would be substandard or subpar,” Chell added.

A report by CNN, citing sources familiar with U.S. intelligence assessments, suggested Iran’s military is reconstituting certain capabilities degraded by U.S.-Israeli strikes much faster than initially estimated.

The report claimed Iran had already restarted some of its weapons production during the six-week ceasefire that began in early April.

“Even just to start to get weapons replenished, it wouldn't be at scale, and the quality of the equipment wouldn't match what they had,” Chell clarified.

“I don't believe those precision missile systems are getting back up into production,” he added.

“Only less sophisticated drones — things like the equivalents of the Shahed 136, the 139, or certainly the Category 1 FPV one-way attributable drones would be able to be replenished and at scale.”

On Thursday, the White House also swiftly dismissed the reports, stating they undermined the “great work of our American troops abroad.”

Pentagon Press Secretary Joel Valdez said in a statement: “It is so disgraceful that CNN and others are acting as public relations agents for the Iranian regime in order to paint Operation Epic Fury as anything other than a historic accomplishment. We have had incredible battlefield successes, and yet the fake news media is still trying to undermine the great work of our American troops abroad.”
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1361 on: May 21, 2026, 06:27:53 pm »
.................."He decided to hold back on targeting Iran's critical infrastructure, Trump explained, because Kushner and Witkoff had "very good" talks over the weekend with unnamed "respected" Iranian officials on ending hostilities............."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-kushner-witkoff-rubio-and-vance-are-in-negotiations-with-iran-trump-says
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1362 on: May 21, 2026, 06:54:52 pm »
US reportedly used over half its THAAD interceptors defending Israel from Iran

The U.S. used more than half of its THAAD anti-missile interceptor inventory defending Israel from Iranian attacks during the war, according to reports.

The Washington Post reported the U.S. also used more than 100 SM-3 and SM-6 interceptors, while Israel used fewer than 100 Arrow interceptors and around 90 David’s Sling interceptors.

Citing an official, the outlet reported that if fighting resumes with Iran, the U.S. would likely need to use even more interceptors because the IDF has sent some missile defense batteries for maintenance.

“Israel is not capable of fighting and winning wars on its own, but nobody actually knows this because they never see the back end,” the official said.

The Pentagon denied there was any issue with sharing resources with Israel, saying, “Ballistic missile interceptors are just one tool in a vast network of systems and capabilities.”

The Israeli Embassy in Washington also said, “The U.S. has no other partner with the military willingness, readiness, shared interests and capabilities of Israel.”
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1363 on: May 21, 2026, 06:57:44 pm »


Pentagon Press Secretary Joel Valdez said in a statement: “It is so disgraceful that CNN and others are acting as public relations agents for the Iranian regime in order to paint Operation Epic Fury as anything other than a historic accomplishment. We have had incredible battlefield successes, and yet the fake news media is still trying to undermine the great work of our American troops abroad.”
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1364 on: May 21, 2026, 07:10:41 pm »
No @Right_in_Virginia it was Jared!

To the extent Kushner supported Netanyahu's vision for war with Iran, I agree with you.  But, Kushner's support doesn't take anyone off the hook, including Netanyahu and Trump, himself.

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« Reply #1365 on: May 21, 2026, 07:15:08 pm »
.................."He decided to hold back on targeting Iran's critical infrastructure, Trump explained, because Kushner and Witkoff had "very good" talks over the weekend with unnamed "respected" Iranian officials on ending hostilities............."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-kushner-witkoff-rubio-and-vance-are-in-negotiations-with-iran-trump-says

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« Reply #1366 on: May 21, 2026, 07:30:59 pm »
All you defeatists can piss off.

Every little post from god knows where that says anything bad, and you're beating the drum of doom and gloom.


One post on twitter that questions the so-called agreement that Iran has said is in the works (again, again, again, and STILL unacceptable), and THAT source gets attacked.

In the meantime it looks like everyone is swirling down the TDS drain.

Come on people. Expect a blizzard of disinformation. It's still a war.
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I'm tired of the doom and gloom, too.  The fact of the matter is we don't know what the sunrise of tomorrow offers.  This all goes upside down if tomorrow we hear we bombed the living shit out of the Mullahs.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1367 on: May 21, 2026, 07:36:57 pm »
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Every little post from god knows where that says anything bad, and you're beating the drum of doom and gloom.

Well I don't know how to update the thread then. I try to post articles from reliable sources. I disregard so many as unreliable now..
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« Reply #1368 on: May 21, 2026, 07:49:01 pm »
All you defeatists can piss off.

Every little post from god knows where that says anything bad, and you're beating the drum of doom and gloom.


One post on twitter that questions the so-called agreement that Iran has said is in the works (again, again, again, and STILL unacceptable), and THAT source gets attacked.

In the meantime it looks like everyone is swirling down the TDS drain.

Come on people. Expect a blizzard of disinformation. It's still a war.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1369 on: May 21, 2026, 07:51:08 pm »
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Middle East right now 🧐



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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1371 on: May 21, 2026, 08:08:59 pm »
Well I don't know how to update the thread then. I try to post articles from reliable sources. I disregard so many as unreliable now..


I think you do a great job @mystery-ak !

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« Reply #1372 on: May 21, 2026, 08:24:52 pm »
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The 2 week ceasefire has become 6 weeks in exchange for precisely nothing

Looks very weak

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« Reply #1374 on: May 21, 2026, 08:25:09 pm »

I think you do a great job @mystery-ak !

:yowsa: And so do I!
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« Reply #1375 on: May 21, 2026, 08:28:16 pm »
Well I don't know how to update the thread then. I try to post articles from reliable sources. I disregard so many as unreliable now..

@mystery-ak

You are posting what people are saying.  You are not responsible for how others choose to react.  I sometimes post ridiculous things the regime says just to show how ridiculously arrogant and detached they are.  It doesn't mean I support them.  People need to use their brains and check their emotions at the door.  You are doing a great job.  Best website on the entire internets.
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« Reply #1376 on: May 21, 2026, 08:28:23 pm »
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Thanks... I try...
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« Reply #1377 on: May 21, 2026, 08:29:46 pm »
@mystery-ak

You are posting what people are saying.  You are not responsible for how others choose to react.  I sometimes post ridiculous things the regime says just to show how ridiculously arrogant and detached they are.  It doesn't mean I support them.  People need to use their brains and check their emotions at the door.  You are doing a great job.  Best website on the entire internets.

Thank you @Hoodat... :crying:
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« Reply #1378 on: May 21, 2026, 08:30:33 pm »
This tweet right here sums it up:



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In a world where you see these two reports:

1. "Pakistani CoS has arrived in Tehran" and
2. "Pakistani CoS will NOT travel to Tehran"

in less than 2 hours, just ignore every dumbass rumor and listen to Radiohead instead.

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« Reply #1379 on: May 21, 2026, 08:36:32 pm »
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Thanks... I try...

You just keep on doing what you're doing and let us sort the wheat from the chaff. @mystery-ak
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« Reply #1380 on: May 21, 2026, 08:42:08 pm »
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The U.S. military used far more advanced interceptors than Israel to defend against Iranian missile attacks, depleting much of its stockpile, Pentagon assessments cited by The Washington Post show.

U.S. forces reportedly fired 200+ THAAD interceptors, roughly half the Pentagon’s inventory, and 100+ SM-3/SM-6 missiles, while Israel used fewer than 100 Arrow interceptors and around 90 David’s Sling interceptors.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1381 on: May 21, 2026, 08:44:41 pm »
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Reports suggest Iran is still refusing in negotiations to open the strait of Hormuz or give up its weapons.

Complete non starter.

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« Reply #1382 on: May 21, 2026, 08:46:22 pm »
Can is a very different word than will! @DCPatriot

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Of course it is, my friend!

But as I've been trying to say...IMO, in the meantime President Trump is demonstrating to not only Americans, but the entire world, that Iran is totally FOS and cannot be trusted...agreement or not.

His New York personality won't allow him to simply pack up and leave the Strait of Hormuz without a 'Goodbye Kiss'.






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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1383 on: May 21, 2026, 08:59:47 pm »

All you defeatists can piss off.

Every little post from god knows where that says anything bad, and you're beating the drum of doom and gloom.

One post on twitter that questions the so-called agreement that Iran has said is in the works (again, again, again, and STILL unacceptable), and THAT source gets attacked.

In the meantime it looks like everyone is swirling down the TDS drain.

Come on people. Expect a blizzard of disinformation. It's still a war.
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Great Post Joe. The defeatists should piss off.

But, it is true that every day Trump vacillates and dithers on finishing the war, Iranian citizens and dissidents are being tortured and slaughtered, Iran gets stronger, and the ships stuck in the Gulf suffer from lack of provisions. Time is a huge issue to those who are on the ground and got caught up in Trump's blitzkrieg victory which was halted a day before victory and was never finished.

Every time Trump gives Iran more time, and then he gives them more time, and then he gives them more time, even though they laugh and spit in his face at every opportunity. Every single day that Trump drags this out, is critically important to millions of people. Another 10 days is nothing to Trump. He does not care because he does not feel the consequences of his indecisiveness, as so many people he will never know do. Every single day that Trump gives more time to Iran, out of so-called mercy, empathy, and compassion, it comes with a cost of dozens, hundreds, even thousands of lives of the people of Iran who were depending on him.

I do not understand Trump's "make a deal" obsession. Any 'deal' with Iran is meaningless.

It is a shame. All of this could have been done and over, wrapped up and finished, months ago but for Trump's obsessive fixation on a worthless 'deal' with the very embodiment of Satan himself.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1384 on: May 21, 2026, 09:14:26 pm »
Kushner was working under Trump's instructions.  The buck stops with DJT.

No, according to different articles it was Jared who 'advised' Trump to attack Iran because they were so close to obtaining nuclear capabilities -- Trump didn't instruct Jared to do anything. Yes, ultimately it was Trump's decision and on that we agree, why he is inclined to listen to Jared who doesn't have the experience nor knowledge that his generals have is beyond me. Certainly Cain is more experience and knowledgeable as is Hegseth.  Why Trump tossed Rubio, our Secy of State aside for Jared is beyond me.  Jared is a snake period.

Regardless of Bibi's information regarding Iran (which you continue to point a finger at him) -- Trump should listen to his own generals and Secy' of War and Secy' of State -- Kushner is part of a 'special envoy' that several have stated he has failed Trump.  I couldn't agree more. 
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1385 on: May 21, 2026, 09:18:37 pm »
Well I don't know how to update the thread then. I try to post articles from reliable sources. I disregard so many as unreliable now..

@mystery-ak you are amazing and do a phenomenal job -- I don't know how you keep up with everything.  Thank you for all that you do.  If I want to now what's going on, I turn to this forum, first and foremost.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1386 on: May 21, 2026, 09:34:20 pm »
@Bigun

Of course it is, my friend!

But as I've been trying to say...IMO, in the meantime President Trump is demonstrating to not only Americans, but the entire world, that Iran is totally FOS and cannot be trusted...agreement or not.

His New York personality won't allow him to simply pack up and leave the Strait of Hormuz without a 'Goodbye Kiss'.


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« Reply #1387 on: May 21, 2026, 10:12:49 pm »
No, according to different articles it was Jared who 'advised' Trump to attack Iran because they were so close to obtaining nuclear capabilities --

---- In February, Netanyahu and members of the Mossad and the IDF travelled 6,000 miles to make a presentation to the US President in our hallowed security bunker on why the time to bomb and replace the current Iranian regime had arrived. They also presented a military action plan. 

Kushner, also in the room, agreed with the presenters --- and made his opinion known publicly and privately.  But, Kushner was never the author; neither was he ever the decider.

The Israelis made this trip because Kushner was unable to convince Trump that war and regime change were the answer.

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Trump's running every negotiation @libertybele ---  Kushner may privately debate with Trump, but the outcome is always Trump's call. Nothing is happening without Trump's thumbprint.  Kushner's simply one of an inner circle.





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   Between Eric Daughterty bubbling tweets overflowing with optimism and @BobfromWB pessimism, I think you have acquired a great balance on TBR @mystery-ak    tipping hat!!
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   Between Eric Daughterty bubbling tweets overflowing with optimism and @BobfromWB pessimism, I think you have acquired a great balance on TBR @mystery-ak    tipping hat!!

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« Reply #1393 on: Today at 08:50:34 am »

From what you are stating there is no hope in the U.S. coming out of this on top?

Did we "come out on top" after "defeating" Saddam in Iraq? Did we "come out on top" after "defeating" the Taliban in Afghanistan?

This is the Middle East. I will say it again. It is Chinatown, Jake. You do not stick your hand in that coconut, and if you do, you get what you deserve.

Trump seemed to understand this when he was running for election. But the military industrial complex seems to be able to intoxicate presidents. In Trump's case, this was easy to do since Trump thinks he is all-powerful, and readily succumbs to threats to his manhood, as well as appeals to his vanity.

"This time it will be different."

They are like liberals selling socialism. Even though every previous attempt has failed, people can get sucked in to the idea that there is such a thing as a free lunch.

If 3000 years of military history in the Middle East has taught us anything, it is that outside powers never succeed.  Never. Not with new technology never tried before. Not with brutality, because the people of the Middle East are far more brutal then we in the west would ever have a stomach for.

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‘Iran is trying to create a tolling system’ in Strait of Hormuz, Rubio warns

Secretary of State Marco Rubio warned Friday that “Iran is trying to create a tolling system” in the Strait of Hormuz and that “no country" should accept that.

“They're trying to convince Oman, by the way, to join them in this tolling system in an international waterway. There is not a country in the world that should accept that. I don't know of a country in the world that's in favor of it, except Iran, but there's no country in the world that should accept it,” Rubio said in Helsingborg, Sweden, where he had traveled Friday to attend a NATO foreign ministers meeting.

“I don't know of anyone in the world that should be in favor of a tolling system in an international waterway, that's just not acceptable. It can't happen,” Rubio continued. 

“If that were to happen in the Strait of Hormuz, it will happen in five other places around the world. Why would countries all over the world say, 'Well, we want to do this too'? Not to mention how vital and critical that strait is to every country represented here today, but frankly, to countries not represented here today, particularly the Indo-Pacific,” he also said.

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U.S. Central Command said late Thursday that the “Abraham Lincoln Carrier Strike Group is maintaining peak readiness while enforcing the U.S. blockade against Iranian ports.”

CENTCOM released new photos showing U.S. Navy fighter jets launching from the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier in the Arabian Sea.

As of Thursday, CENTCOM said 94 commercial ships have been redirected as part of the blockade on Iranian ports, while four have been disabled.

The blockade has been ongoing for more than a month.

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« Reply #1397 on: Today at 09:27:05 am »
‘Iran is trying to create a tolling system’ in Strait of Hormuz, Rubio warns

Secretary of State Marco Rubio warned Friday that “Iran is trying to create a tolling system” in the Strait of Hormuz and that “no country" should accept that.

“They're trying to convince Oman, by the way, to join them in this tolling system in an international waterway. There is not a country in the world that should accept that. I don't know of a country in the world that's in favor of it, except Iran, but there's no country in the world that should accept it,” Rubio said in Helsingborg, Sweden, where he had traveled Friday to attend a NATO foreign ministers meeting.

“I don't know of anyone in the world that should be in favor of a tolling system in an international waterway, that's just not acceptable. It can't happen,” Rubio continued. 

“If that were to happen in the Strait of Hormuz, it will happen in five other places around the world. Why would countries all over the world say, 'Well, we want to do this too'? Not to mention how vital and critical that strait is to every country represented here today, but frankly, to countries not represented here today, particularly the Indo-Pacific,” he also said.

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Rubio is not saying the obvious part out loud: The USA apparently does not have the military capability, or the will, to secure the Strait of Hormuz. The implications of this are ominous.

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Did we "come out on top" after "defeating" Saddam in Iraq? Did we "come out on top" after "defeating" the Taliban in Afghanistan?

This is the Middle East. I will say it again. It is Chinatown, Jake. You do not stick your hand in that coconut, and if you do, you get what you deserve.

Trump seemed to understand this when he was running for election. But the military industrial complex seems to be able to intoxicate presidents. In Trump's case, this was easy to do since Trump thinks he is all-powerful, and readily succumbs to threats to his manhood, as well as appeals to his vanity.

"This time it will be different."

They are like liberals selling socialism. Even though every previous attempt has failed, people can get sucked in to the idea that there is such a thing as a free lunch.

If 3000 years of military history in the Middle East has taught us anything, it is that outside powers never succeed.  Never. Not with new technology never tried before. Not with brutality, because the people of the Middle East are far more brutal then we in the west would ever have a stomach for.

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Rubio is not saying the obvious part out loud: The USA apparently does not have the military capability, or the will, to secure the Strait of Hormuz. The implications of this are ominous.

I think we have the capability, the military has the will, the question remains, does President Trump have the will?  If he doesn't, he needs to get our people out of there and let Iran have their way with the region.

That would be a Jimmy Carter level screw-up that will eventually lead to our collapse as a "Superpower" over the next couple of decades.  The stakes are that high.
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