Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4

[mystery-ak]

Please,  let's stop with the Trump is a 3D chess  player.  He certainly isn't playing chess  these days.

He's not even playing checkers...King me!

[DCPatriot]

He's not even playing checkers...King me!

WTF??  must be something in the water...

Seems like a lot of people here are suddenly going "skitzo"

[Smokin Joe]

It appears Trump is waiting for Iran to self-destruct, which may very well happen.

My take, too. Sad so many opinions are blowing around like a weathervane in a twister.

[Smokin Joe]

WTF??  must be something in the water...

Seems like a lot of people here are suddenly going "skitzo"

Yep. 

[American Girl]

Excerpt:
A dramatic and still-unfolding situation inside Iran is fueling intense speculation tonight, after claims surfaced that elements of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps may have moved against the country’s top leadership.

According to reporting discussed on Fox News by host Jesse Watters, there are early indications that internal fractures within Iran’s power structure could be reaching a breaking point. The claims suggest that senior figures within the Guard may be blocking negotiations and asserting control at a critical moment for the regime.

IRGC has controlled this regime for a long time, economically, militarily, politically - it’s just becoming starkly more obvious now

https://www.rightjournalism.com/breaking-iranian-guard-allegedly-takes-ayatollah-hostage-as-coup-speculation-intensifies-video/

[mystery-ak]

Kellogg: Arming the Iranian People ‘a Good Idea’

On Tuesday’s broadcast of the Fox News Channel’s “Hannity,” former Trump National Security Adviser and former Trump Envoy Keith Kellogg said that arming the Iranian people is a good strategy. Kellogg said, “I think it’s a good idea. But I’m on  the hard [side] with saying using military force, in the sense, use the agency’s group that does that, their special operations group or use special forces to do it, go in with weapons, you just don’t give them weapons to use, you actually have advisers with them to help them train that, and you create guerrilla warfare. I think they’re ready for that. They’ll be able to do that.”

He continued, “But you compound the problems they’ve got to try to solve, and that’s what you want to do. You’ve got to break their will. You’ve got to break their command and control. And I think, eventually, they’re going to fold, economically, especially, the president has it right, he had the guts to do it.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2026/04/22/kellogg-arming-the-iranian-people-a-good-idea/

[Sighlass]

Yes, it happened...



Two Soldiers were punished... but only because they took pictures and posted them. 6 soldiers and none of them reported this blasphemy. Statue was reported replaced later.

[mystery-ak]

Iran has taken custody of two ships after opening fire in Strait of Hormuz, Iranian media says

Iranian state media reports that Iranian forces have taken custody of two trade vessels in the Strait of Hormuz after opening fire on the ships Wednesday.

Reports say the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps have taken custody over the Panama-flagged MSC Francesca and Liberia-flagged Epaminondas and are bringing them to Iran.

Reports said Iran fired on a third vessel in the strait as well, but did not take it into custody.

International ship tracking from Marine Traffic shows both vessels stationary off the coast of Iran in the strait.

News of Iran's assault on the vessels first came from the United Kingdom Maritime Operations, which reported an IRGC gunboat had caused significant damage to the bridge of one of the container ships.

Posted by Anders Hagstrom
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/iran-us-war-blockade-hormuz-april-22

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/UK_MTO/status/2046856177288405045

[mystery-ak]

President Donald Trump said Iran is “collapsing financially” as tensions over the Strait of Hormuz continue to escalate.

“They want the Strait of Hormuz opened immediately- Starving for cash! Losing 500 Million Dollars a day,” Trump said. “Military and Police complaining that they are not getting paid. SOS!!!"

The comments echoed a similar post from Trump earlier Tuesday, when he said the Iranian regime is trying to “save face” over the closure of the strait.

“Iran doesn’t want the Strait of Hormuz closed; they want it open so they can make $500 million a day (which is, therefore, what they are losing if it is closed!),” Trump wrote in the earlier post.

“They only say they want it closed because I have it totally BLOCKADED (CLOSED!), so they merely want to ‘save face,’” he added.
Posted by Anders Hagstrom

[BobfromWB]

The Khorramshahr-4 just publicly displayed

The Khorramshahr-4, also known as the Kheibar missile, is an Iranian medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) developed by the Shahid Hemmat Industrial Group. Unveiled in May 2023, it is the most advanced variant of the Khorramshahr family, featuring a liquid-fuel propulsion system and a heavy payload capacity.

Key specifications and capabilities include:
1. Range and Payload: It has an official operational range of 2,000 km (though analysts estimate potential capabilities up to 4,000 km) and can carry a warhead weighing approximately 1,500 kg, making it one of the heaviest payloads in Iran's arsenal.

2. Propulsion: The missile uses the Arvand engine with hypergolic propellants (UDMH and N2O4), allowing for a short launch preparation time of about 12–15 minutes compared to earlier liquid-fuel systems. While the missile's overall design is derived from the North Korean Hwasong-10  (Musudan), the Arvand engine and its hypergolic fuel system represent a significant advancement in Iran's autonomous missile propulsion technology.

3. Guidance and Maneuverability: It employs an inertial navigation system with satellite updates and a Maneuverable Reentry Vehicle (MaRV) that can adjust its trajectory during the terminal phase to evade missile defenses.

4. Accuracy: The system is reported to have a Circular Error Probable (CEP) of approximately 30 meters.

5. Operational Use: In March 2026, during the 19th wave of Operation True Promise 4, the IRGC launched Khorramshahr-4 missiles at targets in Tel Aviv, including Ben Gurion Airport and the 27th Air Base, as well as at U.S. military installations in Qatar and Bahrain.

The missile is deployed on road-mobile transporter-erector-launcher (TEL) vehicles and is stored in hardened underground facilities within the IRGC’s "missile cities." Its design, derived from the North Korean Hwasong-10 (Musudan), emphasizes strategic deterrence and the ability to strike hardened infrastructure and air bases across the Middle East.

AI-generated answer. Please verify critical facts.

[BobfromWB]

Nixon said that in 1960, right?

Not voting because your panties are in bunch and your feet are going all stampy, sounds like the best way to ensure permanent Democrat rule when they nuke the filibuster, pack SCOTUS, and bring in more Democrat Senators, and gerrymander their way into permanent control of the House.

Yeah so lets all sit home and watch the Radical Democrats take over the USA. That will show 47 and those lousy RINOs who's boss!

  

[BobfromWB]

WarMonitor@WarMonitor3
Trump extends the ceasefire.
Just incredible...

He did not just extend the ceasefire, he extended it indefinitely or until the IRGC decides to surrender, aka reach mutually agreed on terms with the political branch.

[Timber Rattler]

Iran has taken custody of two ships after opening fire in Strait of Hormuz, Iranian media says

Iranian state media reports that Iranian forces have taken custody of two trade vessels in the Strait of Hormuz after opening fire on the ships Wednesday.

Reports say the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps have taken custody over the Panama-flagged MSC Francesca and Liberia-flagged Epaminondas and are bringing them to Iran.

Reports said Iran fired on a third vessel in the strait as well, but did not take it into custody.

International ship tracking from Marine Traffic shows both vessels stationary off the coast of Iran in the strait.

News of Iran's assault on the vessels first came from the United Kingdom Maritime Operations, which reported an IRGC gunboat had caused significant damage to the bridge of one of the container ships.

Posted by Anders Hagstrom
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/iran-us-war-blockade-hormuz-april-22

IF true, and that's a big IF, then Trump should drop some SEALs onto those ships and re-capture them.  Let the rubber meet the road!

[BobfromWB]

So what happened to "unconditional surrender" and "unleashing hell?"

We unleashed hell, then we unconditionally surrendered ... its just that no one has caught one yet, although there was one female guest on cable TV that has.

[BobfromWB]

This is looking like it is going to end with Iran detonating a nuke as a demonstration - or worse. Giving them more time is a means to that end.

If that happens, 47 will go down in history right next to N. Chamberlain ...

[DCPatriot]

If that happens, 47 will go down in history right next to N. Chamberlain ...

Uh...you misspelled Nostradamus  

[BobfromWB]

But they still don’t get it that President Trump is a 3 D chess player.

That may be true, but his opponents are playing 4-D Chess.

[BobfromWB]

It appears Trump is waiting for Iran to self-destruct, which may very well happen.

Will he hold his breath like 0bama and Biden did?

[mystery-ak]

President Donald Trump's new ceasefire with Iran will be a short one, Fox News' Sean Hannity reported Tuesday night.

Hannity cited multiple unnamed sources who told him the ceasefire is expected to be brief.

The U.S. said the truce is expected to continue until Tehran presents a "unified proposal" for peace talks to continue in Pakistan.
Posted by Anders Hagstrom

[BobfromWB]

News of Iran's assault on the vessels first came from the United Kingdom Maritime Operations, which reported an IRGC gunboat had caused significant damage to the bridge of one of the container ships.

But 47 and Hegseth claimed they sunk the Iranian Navy! Yet here they are still at it. Someone has a new definition of what constitutes a navy, or someone has been deceived, or some one is lying ... pick one or three ...

[BobfromWB]

IF true, and that's a big IF, then Trump should drop some SEALs onto those ships and re-capture them.  Let the rubber meet the road!

Now now, calm down, that would look bad for the "piece" negations sure to happen in the next 3 years ...

[BobfromWB]

Uh...you misspelled Nostradamus  

correct spelling is Michel de Nostredame

[mystery-ak]

Iran war ceasefire not ‘open-ended’- Trump willing to give 3-5 days to Tehran, reveals report
US President Donald Trump gives Iran three to five days to return to nuclear talks or the ceasefire ends, as US officials warn of an absolute fracture between Tehran's military and civilian leadership.

Written By Sayantani Biswas
Updated22 Apr 2026, 11:52 AM IST

US President Donald Trump today set a three-to-five-day window for Iran to unite behind a counteroffer and re-engage in nuclear talks, US officials say, after a second round of negotiations in Pakistan collapsed and Vice President JD Vance's trip to Islamabad was called off, Axios reported, quoting three US officials.
Donald Trump's Ultimatum: Get Your House in Order

Trump says he is prepared to allow Iran between three and five days to resolve its internal power struggle and present a coherent counteroffer — but the ceasefire he extended on Tuesday will not last indefinitely, three US officials told Axios.

more
https://www.livemint.com/news/world/iran-war-ceasefire-not-open-ended-trump-willing-to-give-3-5-days-to-tehran-reveals-report-11776836028368.html

[BobfromWB]

President Donald Trump's new ceasefire with Iran will be a short one, Fox News' Sean Hannity reported Tuesday night.

Hannity cited multiple unnamed sources who told him the ceasefire is expected to be brief.

The U.S. said the truce is expected to continue until Tehran presents a "unified proposal" for peace talks to continue in Pakistan.
Posted by Anders Hagstrom

By brief, they mean that the IRGC had to surrender and agree with the politicians - an event sure to take place in the next brief 3 years.

[mystery-ak]

 Trump tells The Post news of fresh peace talks ‘possible’ as soon as Friday — as Iran scrambles to come up with ‘unified’ plan
By Caitlin Doornbos
Published April 22, 2026, 9:18 a.m. ET

ISLAMABAD — “Good news” about a second round of talks between the US and Iran may be coming as soon as Friday, President Trump and Pakistani sources told The Post on Wednesday.

Sources in Islamabad touted positive mediation efforts with Tehran, renewing the possibility of more peace talks within the next “36 to 72 hours.” Asked about this possible breakthrough by The Post, Trump, in a text message, said: “It’s possible! President DJT.”

The incremental update comes a day after the US president announced he would extend the current cease-fire with Iran until its divided leadership can come up with “a unified proposal.”

“I have … directed our Military to continue the Blockade and, in all other respects, remain ready and able, and will therefore extend the Ceasefire until such time as their proposal is submitted, and discussions are concluded, one way or the other,” he said in a post to Truth Social on Tuesday.

more
https://nypost.com/2026/04/22/us-news/trump-tells-the-post-second-round-of-talks-possible-as-soon-as-friday-as-iran-scrambles-to-come-up-with-unified-plan/

[BobfromWB]

Trump tells The Post news of fresh peace talks ‘possible’ as soon as Friday — as Iran scrambles to come up with ‘unified’ plan
By Caitlin Doornbos
Published April 22, 2026, 9:18 a.m. ET

ISLAMABAD — “Good news” about a second round of talks between the US and Iran may be coming as soon as Friday, President Trump and Pakistani sources told The Post on Wednesday.

Sources in Islamabad touted positive mediation efforts with Tehran, renewing the possibility of more peace talks within the next “36 to 72 hours.” Asked about this possible breakthrough by The Post, Trump, in a text message, said: “It’s possible! President DJT.”

The incremental update comes a day after the US president announced he would extend the current cease-fire with Iran until its divided leadership can come up with “a unified proposal.”

“I have … directed our Military to continue the Blockade and, in all other respects, remain ready and able, and will therefore extend the Ceasefire until such time as their proposal is submitted, and discussions are concluded, one way or the other,” he said in a post to Truth Social on Tuesday.

more
https://nypost.com/2026/04/22/us-news/trump-tells-the-post-second-round-of-talks-possible-as-soon-as-friday-as-iran-scrambles-to-come-up-with-unified-plan/

More delusional diplomatic speak.

[corbe]

   3~5 days, GOOD.  That means it won't expire on Taco Tuesday.   

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2046925673567064530

[libertybele]

Iran has taken custody of two ships after opening fire in Strait of Hormuz, Iranian media says

Iranian state media reports that Iranian forces have taken custody of two trade vessels in the Strait of Hormuz after opening fire on the ships Wednesday.

Reports say the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps have taken custody over the Panama-flagged MSC Francesca and Liberia-flagged Epaminondas and are bringing them to Iran.

Reports said Iran fired on a third vessel in the strait as well, but did not take it into custody.

International ship tracking from Marine Traffic shows both vessels stationary off the coast of Iran in the strait.

News of Iran's assault on the vessels first came from the United Kingdom Maritime Operations, which reported an IRGC gunboat had caused significant damage to the bridge of one of the container ships.

Posted by Anders Hagstrom
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/iran-us-war-blockade-hormuz-april-22

So .... damn with the supposed ceasefire.  Iran broke it (several times).  So again, Trump is waiting for them to what??  Get all their ducks in a row to completely retake Hormuz and charge exorbitant fees to get through?? Bomb and seize ships??

If this is what Trump, Hegseth and Rubio consider a deal negotiated or patiently waiting for a deal they are absolutely outright lying to the American people.  A deal won't be reached until St. Swithers Day.

[libertybele]

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2046925673567064530

Gee, news like this makes me feel confident that Trump is going to pack it up and high tail it out of there.

[libertybele]

   3~5 days, GOOD.  That means it won't expire on Taco Tuesday.   

5 days brings us to the 27th - one day before TACO Tuesday and when the WPA expires.  Fantastic! 

Anyone still have doubts that this started out as a remarkably aggressive campaign against Iran that turned south rather rapidly and has now all but FAILED?

[libertybele]

Not voting because your panties are in bunch and your feet are going all stampy, sounds like the best way to ensure permanent Democrat rule when they nuke the filibuster, pack SCOTUS, and bring in more Democrat Senators, and gerrymander their way into permanent control of the House.

Yeah so lets all sit home and watch the Radical Democrats take over the USA. That will show 47 and those lousy RINOs who's boss!

  

The way I see things the DEMS have been in control.  Exactly what legislation has the GOP proposed that passed that Trump signed?  Vote wise - Balanced budget?  No.  SAVE Act?  No. 

Unless conservatives actually run and are voted in and unseat DEMS and RINOs nothing will change. I am not aware of many conservatives who are running.  Take a look at MN and NY; I don't see that conservatives ran or won. 

At any rate -- back to the topic of this thread

[DefiantMassRINO]

No strategy.  Just impulse.  Great idea to start a global energy shortage heading into the midterm elections.

Thanks for nothing, Netanyahu.

[mystery-ak]

Iran threatens to hit regional power plants if US strikes escalate

Retired Admiral William McRaven joined Fox News on Wednesday and warned of Iran's threats to attack the energy infrastructure of its Gulf neighbors if the U.S. targets Iran's own energy infrastructure.

Iranian officials issued the threat as talks failed to kick off in Pakistan on Tuesday. McRaven warned against the U.S. escalating its military strikes, advocating instead for a temporary lifting of sanctions to encourage negotiations.
Posted by Anders Hagstrom

[BobfromWB]

The way I see things the DEMS have been in control.  Exactly what legislation has the GOP proposed that passed that Trump signed?  Vote wise - Balanced budget?  No.  SAVE Act?  No. 

Unless conservatives actually run and are voted in and unseat DEMS and RINOs nothing will change. I am not aware of many conservatives who are running.  Take a look at MN and NY; I don't see that conservatives ran or won. 

At any rate -- back to the topic of this thread

In that case, not voting will definitely help /s

[DefiantMassRINO]

Toppling the Iranian regime is a job for the CIA and Mossad.  Train the Iranian people to shoot back at the IRGC.

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2046977247404319012

[Wingnut]

I've grown tired and bored with this whole Iran thing.  Ima gonna finna new crisis to blame Trump or maybe the Jews on.

[Idiot]

Gee, news like this makes me feel confident that Trump is going to pack it up and high tail it out of there.

Give it a few days before you panic.....again.

[Idiot]

I've grown tired and bored with this whole Iran thing.  Ima gonna finna new crisis to blame Trump or maybe the Jews on.

Have they blamed Nany Guthrie missing on Trump yet?  I forget....lol.

[DCPatriot]

But 47 and Hegseth claimed they sunk the Iranian Navy! Yet here they are still at it. Someone has a new definition of what constitutes a navy, or someone has been deceived, or some one is lying ... pick one or three ...

We've been talking about the IRGC twin-engine outboards since the beginning of this shit-show.  They're gnats.

[mystery-ak]

 

Dem Senator says Trump is 'losing credibility' by backing down from Iran threats

Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., suggested Wednesday that President Donald Trump is losing credibility with Iran by making threats only to repeatedly back down.

Trump made the statement while speaking with reporters at the U.S. Capitol amid Trump's latest extension of the U.S.-Iran ceasefire.

"This President has a tendency of threatening to bring down terror on countries that don't see things his way, and at the last minute, he relents. I think you lose a lot of credibility once you've done that a number of times," Durbin told reporters.
Posted by Anders Hagstrom

[libertybele]

Dem Senator says Trump is 'losing credibility' by backing down from Iran threats

Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., suggested Wednesday that President Donald Trump is losing credibility with Iran by making threats only to repeatedly back down.

Trump made the statement while speaking with reporters at the U.S. Capitol amid Trump's latest extension of the U.S.-Iran ceasefire.

"This President has a tendency of threatening to bring down terror on countries that don't see things his way, and at the last minute, he relents. I think you lose a lot of credibility once you've done that a number of times," Durbin told reporters.
Posted by Anders Hagstrom

Trump losing credibility .... but .... but ... the negotiations have gone so well and Iran knows not to mess with 47. 

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2046998721666166864

[libertybele]

Give it a few days before you panic.....again.

Panic???    So @Idiot I assume then you are in favor of Trump continuing to extend the ceasefire which hasn't held in the first place??

[libertybele]

Live updates: Iran attacks 3 ships in the Strait of Hormuz as Trump indefinitely extends ceasefire

U.S. President Donald Trump said Tuesday that the U.S. is indefinitely extending its ceasefire with Iran — a day before it was to expire — as a new round of peace talks in Pakistan was on hold. Iran acknowledged the ceasefire extension but didn’t say Tehran was ready to attend the new round of talks, state TV said Wednesday.
Iran’s Revolutionary Guard fired on three ships in the Strait of Hormuz on Wednesday, throwing efforts to end the war further into question. The Guard seized two of the ships and was bringing them to Iran, according to Iranian media. Earlier, Trump said the U.S. would continue to blockade Iranian ports, setting the stage for continued disruption to traffic in the critical waterway.
U.S. forces boarded an oil tanker previously sanctioned for smuggling Iranian crude oil in Asia, the Pentagon said Tuesday, as it puts into place a global warning to track down vessels tied to Tehran. The tanker is the second vessel linked to Iran that has been interdicted by the U.S. military. Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi on Tuesday called the U.S. blockade a breach of the ceasefire.
Since the war started, at least 3,375 people have been killed in Iran, according to authorities. In Lebanon, the fighting has killed more than 2,290 people. Additionally, 23 people have died in Israel and more than a dozen in Gulf Arab states. Fifteen Israeli soldiers in Lebanon and 13 U.S. service members throughout the region have been killed..........

https://apnews.com/live/iran-war-israel-trump-04-22-2026

[libertybele]

Trump doesn’t view Iran’s seizing of non-US ships as a ceasefire violation, White House says

The incidents come as Trump is planning to put limits on the ceasefire's duration. Iran's president says the US blockade and threats are obstacles to negotiations.


Here's the latest

• Ships seized: US President Donald Trump does not view Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps’ assertion that it seized two ships in the Strait of Hormuz as a violation of the ceasefire, his spokesperson said Wednesday. Iran’s IRGC said two ships were seized and transferred to Iranian waters.

• Ceasefire extended: The US president is also satisfied with the economic pressure campaign against Iran and has not set a “firm deadline” for Tehran to respond, the spokesperson said. On Tuesday, Trump extended the ceasefire with Iran and vowed to continue the US blockade on Iranian ports.

• Iran weighs in: Tehran wants to continue peace talks, but the “breach of commitments” and the blockade of Iranian ports are obstacles, President Masoud Pezeshkian said in a post on X.


https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/22/world/live-news/iran-war-us-trump-blockade-ceasefire

[Fishrrman]

bele wrote in reply 99:
"After watching a few minutes of an interview this morning of an ex-Navy seal, he in short stated that to win this, boots on the ground  will be  necessary along with U.S. mass casualties..."

I put up a post here back on Feb 28:
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=578383.msg3278736#msg3278736
... stating pretty much the same when it was taboo to say so out loud.

Here's another, from March 2nd:
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=578383.msg3279690#msg3279690

How could any member of this forum NOT understand -- right from the beginning -- what was going to be required to WIN in a REAL "war" with iran?

[libertybele]

bele wrote in reply 99:
"After watching a few minutes of an interview this morning of an ex-Navy seal, he in short stated that to win this, boots on the ground  will be  necessary along with U.S. mass casualties..."

I put up a post here back on Feb 28:
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=578383.msg3278736#msg3278736
... stating pretty much the same when it was taboo to say so out loud.

Here's another, from March 2nd:
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=578383.msg3279690#msg3279690

How could any member of this forum NOT understand -- right from the beginning -- what was going to be required to WIN in a REAL "war" with iran?

I plead ignorance; being non-military and really not having a clue about the capabilities of Iran (only their ruthlessness) thought that we'd be in and out of there within a few days and that would be the end of things. Boots on the ground were mentioned and there was an emphatic "no" from our leaders. Certainly that's what we were being told during the pressers in the first days. Do I believe Hegseth didn't know any better?  Rubio? Caine?  Perhaps they all thought that a significant air campaign would be enough. We were told that Iran's airforce, navy and military were wiped out.  Obviously not true.  I should have known something was off when Hegseth was answering questions and he was almost acting jovial and lighthearted with his answers and demeanor -- not exactly a personality he has displayed in the past. 

What happens next?  I still think it's obvious, Trump is looking for an exit.   But it has been mentioned by other members that I am schizo, wound up and need to be patient.      We'll see.