LIVE THREAD: US and Israel vs. Iran, Part Two

[Bigun]

   TBR is under attack just as Iran is.

Must be! I keep getting these "Site cannot support a secure connection" warnings.

[bigheadfred]

Mario Nawfal

@MarioNawfal
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🚨🇧🇭🇺🇸🇮🇷 Bahrain reportedly went from hosting U.S. bases to actively launching strikes on Iran.

HIMARS spotted in Manama.

HIMARS fires Precision Strike Missiles (PrSMs) with 500km range. That reaches deep into Iran from Bahrain.

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Mario Nawfal

@MarioNawfal
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🚨🇮🇷🇺🇸 Iran just struck an American-owned tanker anchored at a Saudi port.

The IRGC is hunting U.S. vessels all the way into Saudi Arabia's own harbor.

Egypt's Intel Observer

[catfish1957]

That doesn't mean we can't be honest with ourselves and the world about what happened, and learn from it to make sure, if possible, that it doesn't happen again.

In this and most other sane countries, we have systems in place like regulatory RMP's (Risk Managment Plans) to evaluate activities and substance storage that carefully evaluates things like blast concentric ranges, air hazardous dispersion modeling of releases, and it's impact on the public.  And specific to certain sensitive receptors.  Our infrastructure is developed to protect the public.

I oversaw this process at my plant., and I can honestly report  that if the Islamic Republic did not have at least put some form of process, to protect their young?   THATS ON THEM!!!!!!!!

Might sound callous, but we know their priorities.

[Kamaji]

In this and most other sane countries, we have systems in place like regulatory RMP's (Risk Managment Plans) to evaluate activities and substance storage that carefully evaluates things like blast concentric ranges, air hazardous dispersion modeling of releases, and it's impact on the public.  And specific to certain sensitive receptors.  Our infrastructure is developed to protect the public.

I oversaw this process at my plant., and I can honestly report  that if the Islamic Republic did not have at least put some form of process, to protect their young?   THATS ON THEM!!!!!!!!

Might sound callous, but we know their priorities.

Nope.  That's not how it works.  If U.S. military planners knew, or should have known, that there was a school there, then they should have either justified a strike while school was in session based on absolute necessity, or they should have changed the timing of the attack so that it did not take place during the time school was in session.

That's on the U.S. military planners.

The exigencies of warfare do not give one a blank check to kill any civilians who might be in the way of a merely convenient target.

[mystery-ak]

The United Arab Emirates (UAE) Ministry of Defense said on Saturday that the country's air defense systems intercepted 16 ballistic missiles, 15 of which were destroyed while one fell into the sea. Additionally, the air defense systems detected 121 UAVs, 119 of which were intercepted, while the other two fell within the UAE's territory.

"Since the start of the blatant Iranian aggression, a total of 221 ballistic missiles have been detected, of which 205 were destroyed, while 14 fell into the sea and two missiles landed within the territory of the UAE," the ministry wrote on X. "A total of 1,305 Iranian UAVs have also been detected, of which 1,229 were intercepted, while 76 UAVs fell within the territory of the UAE. Eight cruise missiles were also detected and destroyed."

The UAE's Ministry of Defense noted that Iran's attacks resulted in "three deaths of Pakistani, Nepali and Bangladeshi nationals, and 112 minor injuries among individuals of Emirati, Egyptian, Ethiopian, Filipino, Pakistani, Iranian, Indian, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan, Azerbaijani, Yemeni, Ugandan, Eritrean, Lebanese, Afghan, Bahraini, Comorian and Turkish nationalities."

Earlier on Saturday, Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian apologized to neighboring nations and said that Tehran would halt its attacks unless it was hit first.
Posted by Rachel Wolf

[Cyber Liberty]

Nope.  That's not how it works.  If U.S. military planners knew, or should have known, that there was a school there, then they should have either justified a strike while school was in session based on absolute necessity, or they should have changed the timing of the attack so that it did not take place during the time school was in session.

That's on the U.S. military planners.

The exigencies of warfare do not give one a blank check to kill any civilians who might be in the way of a merely convenient target.

What are we supposed to do when they build their military offices inside of schools and hospitals?  The school we've been talking about was actually inside the perimeter of a military base.  This is the same method Hamas uses in Gaza, and the mainstream media just laps up the propaganda in order to turn us against each other. 

It works very well to the extent that we believe the press!

[catfish1957]

Nope.  That's not how it works.  If U.S. military planners knew, or should have known, that there was a school there, then they should have either justified a strike while school was in session based on absolute necessity, or they should have changed the timing of the attack so that it did not take place during the time school was in session.

That's on the U.S. military planners.

The exigencies of warfare do not give one a blank check to kill any civilians who might be in the way of a merely convenient target.

Nope.  That particular proximal target may have been critical to saving 1000's of Allied lives.  Your theory just gives the mullahs more incentive to operate in schools, mosques, and hospitals.  Good thing you weren't Colonel in Patton's army.

I abhor the loss of these children's lives too.  But blaming us instead of the Mullahs  just plays into the enemy's narrative.  Would you allow your children to attend class at a facility that was obvious a bombing target?  Again.....  it boils down to not only to priorities, but common sense. 

There is still a lot to this story that needs to be parsed upon before we start passing judgement. 

[Kamaji]

What are we supposed to do when they build their military offices inside of schools and hospitals?  The school we've been talking about was actually inside the perimeter of a military base.  This is the same method Hamas uses in Gaza, and the mainstream media just laps up the propaganda in order to turn us against each other. 

It works very well to the extent that we believe the press!

Be careful, and find other ways to accomplish goals, and only attack the location if absolutely necessary, and then only after publicly warning everyone.

Just like the Israelis do.

The fact that the enemy may use civilians as shields does not give one license to simply kill civilians.

[Hoodat]

Mario Nawfal

@MarioNawfal
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🚨🇮🇷🇺🇸 Iran just struck an American-owned tanker anchored at a Saudi port.

The IRGC is hunting U.S. vessels all the way into Saudi Arabia's own harbor.

Egypt's Intel Observer

And Russia is telling them where to find them.

[Hoodat]

Be careful, and find other ways to accomplish goals, and only attack the location if absolutely necessary, and then only after publicly warning everyone.

Just like the Israelis do.

The fact that the enemy may use civilians as shields does not give one license to simply kill civilians.

Does the fact that Israel uses soldiers to shield the civilians that Iran targets give Iran license to kill Israeli troops?  Asking for a friend.

[catfish1957]

@Kamaji

And btw, I am old enough to remember back pre-revolution that there were plenty of uber-brilliant Iranian Engineers.

So don't try to pull the "Somali Learing Center" argument justifying that they didn't have the technological acumen to conduct a risk assessment

[Hoodat]

WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧
@WarMonitor3

Iranian drones have targeted another cargo ship in the Persian gulf off Jubail Saudi Arabia.

10:09 AM · Mar 7, 2026  ·  13.1K Views

https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2030314806138302898

[Hoodat]

Global Updates
@GlobalUpdate00

Iran has struck a vessel north of Jubail, Saudi Arabia.

The ship is believed to be linked to the United States.



10:09 AM · Mar 7, 2026  ·  289 Views

https://x.com/GlobalUpdate00/status/2030315018814726281

[Idiot]

What are we supposed to do when they build their military offices inside of schools and hospitals?  The school we've been talking about was actually inside the perimeter of a military base.  This is the same method Hamas uses in Gaza, and the mainstream media just laps up the propaganda in order to turn us against each other. 

It works very well to the extent that we believe the press!

Just an FYI....  Our local B-1 base that houses nukes by the way, has an elementary school on the base as well as a hospital, as I'm sure other bases are similar.

[Hoodat]

WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧
@WarMonitor3

Sirens sounding in Bahrain, just hours after Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian said Iran would not strike neighboring Gulf states.

7:14 AM · Mar 7, 2026  ·  111.9K Views

https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2030270897769037993

[Right_in_Virginia]

Nope.  That's not how it works.  If U.S. military planners knew, or should have known, that there was a school there, then they should have either justified a strike while school was in session based on absolute necessity, or they should have changed the timing of the attack so that it did not take place during the time school was in session.

That's on the U.S. military planners.

The exigencies of warfare do not give one a blank check to kill any civilians who might be in the way of a merely convenient target.

 

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/RealBababanaras/status/2030196128654970935

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/RealBababanaras/status/2030287810352357763

[Cyber Liberty]

Be careful, and find other ways to accomplish goals, and only attack the location if absolutely necessary, and then only after publicly warning everyone.

Just like the Israelis do.

The fact that the enemy may use civilians as shields does not give one license to simply kill civilians.

Neither we nor the Israelis "simply kill civilians."  The enemy does enough of that!  We also can't allow the Iranians to immunize their assets with human shields.  The fact that we agonize about this while they don't says a lot about our morals.  They are just weaponizing our compassion for the innocents. 

Iran has been effectively neutering us for almost 50 years, and it's past time for us to re-calibrate their attitude.  That's happening now, despite our tardiness.

[Hoodat]

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian
@manniefabian

A key command center of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' air force was struck overnight, the IDF announces.

The command center was hit amid a wave of airstrikes carried out by the Israeli Air Force in Tehran.

According to the military, the command center served the IRGC air force's air defense unit, "whose purpose is to create an aerial picture and defend Iran's skies."

"This is the most central air defense operations room of the IRGC air force," the military says.

The IDF says it also struck Iranian air defense systems, headquarters, logistical warehouses, and other buildings near the command center.

In addition, as part of the wave of strikes, the IAF hit a ballistic missile production and launch site, which also included a weapons depot of the IRGC Quds Force, the military says.



9:29 AM · Mar 7, 2026  ·  11.7K Views

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/2030304779612667925

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/RealBababanaras/status/2030251057876750615

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/RealBababanaras/status/2030265542293221615

[Kamaji]

Neither we nor the Israelis "simply kill civilians."  The enemy does enough of that!  We also can't allow the Iranians to immunize their assets with human shields.  The fact that we agonize about this while they don't says a lot about our morals.  They are just weaponizing our compassion for the innocents. 

Iran has been effectively neutering us for almost 50 years, and it's past time for us to re-calibrate their attitude.  That's happening now, despite our tardiness.

Then if we don't simply kill civilians, that necessarily implies that we take responsibility for it when we make a mistake.  I don't see anyone wanting to take responsibility.

[Hoodat]

Mintel World
@mintelworld

Why the US is eyeing Ukraine’s drone tech?
​
Ukraine has revolutionized air defense with low-cost FPV interceptors. While a Patriot missile costs $3M, these new drones neutralize Shahed threats for as little as $2,000.

​In late 2025, these systems accounted for 70%+ of downings in Kyiv, proving that asymmetric warfare requires cost-effective solutions.



6:50 AM · Mar 7, 2026  ·  1,913 Views

https://x.com/mintelworld/status/2030264746327326842

[catfish1957]

.  Good thing you weren't Colonel in Patton's army.

@Kamaji

Or a Captain in General Sherman's army in 1864.

He'd had you court-martialed for insubordination....  And then who knows what.

[Kamaji]

@Kamaji

Or a Captain in General Sherman's army in 1864.

He'd had you court-martialed for insubordination....  And then who knows what.

Sherman should be the standard for proper military conduct?

Wow, you really are down the rabbit-hole.

[catfish1957]

Then if we don't simply kill civilians, that necessarily implies that we take responsibility for it when we make a mistake.  I don't see anyone wanting to take responsibility.

 

Geez, because these things take exhaustive investigations.  And it's not like our military isn't busy at the moment,.

[Kamaji]

Geez, because these things take exhaustive investigations.  And it's not like our military isn't busy at the moment,.

I'm talking about you lot.

[Hoodat]

Faytuks News
@Faytuks

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-latest-trump-tehran-israel-strikes-us-drone-live-sky-news-13509565



8:08 AM · Mar 7, 2026  ·  17.4K Views

https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2030284363590422967

[catfish1957]

Sherman should be the standard for proper military conduct?

Wow, you really are down the rabbit-hole.

Rabbit hole?

You are the one clammering for MSM-ish table justice on Day 8 of the most important military operation of our lifetime's. 

[Kamaji]

Rabbit hole?

You are the one clammering for MSM-ish table justice on Day 8 of the most important military operation of our lifetime's. 

No, I'm arguing for principle, against apparently unprincipled people.  Too bad.

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/2030307734038475207

[catfish1957]

I'm talking about you lot.

I'm responsible?

You make Captain Jack Sparrow look sane.

[Cyber Liberty]

Then if we don't simply kill civilians, that necessarily implies that we take responsibility for it when we make a mistake.  I don't see anyone wanting to take responsibility.

Iran clouded the issue early on by claiming they bombed the school with an errant missile.  Most countries would have accepted that and moved on, but we choose to investigate instead.

I'm fine with letting that shake out.

[Kamaji]

I'm responsible?

You make Captain Jack Sparrow look sane.

Apparently, you and the Islamists have something in common:  you feel entitled to kill any civilian who happens to get in the way.

[Hoodat]

No, I'm arguing for principle, against apparently unprincipled people.  Too bad.

"Apparently unprincipled"?  What is your basis for that statement?  Because I haven't seen you post one scintilla of evidence showing that the action was unprincipled.  The school was in a building on an IRGC military installation with a communication tower on the roof.    So let's see it.  Please make the case that the US military is "apparently [sic] unprincipled" based on a single strike among thousands being made in a very short time span.

[Hoodat]

you feel entitled to kill any civilian who happens to get in the way.

Lies make Jesus cry.

[catfish1957]

Apparently, you and the Islamists have something in common:  you feel entitled to kill any civilian who happens to get in the way.

Now you are outright lying.  I said I abhor the lives lost.  It was a tragedy.  The crust of the discussion was around responsibility. and about a society that likes to put their most valuable at risk. This society is infamous for the use of human shields.   So if you are going to keep up the idiotic bullshit, at least tell the truth,

[Kamaji]

"Apparently unprincipled"?  What is your basis for that statement?  Because I haven't seen you post one scintilla of evidence showing that the action was unprincipled.  The school was in a building on an IRGC military installation with a communication tower on the roof.    So let's see it.  Please make the case that the US military is "apparently [sic] unprincipled" based on a single strike among thousands being made in a very short time span.

Very simple question, for which the answer is "yes" or "no":  If U.S. military planners knew, or should have known, that there was a school within the danger zone of that attack, should they have taken that fact into account, and either (a) justified the chances of killing innocent young children because the timing of the attack was absolutely critical - but for attacking at precisely that time, the war would have been lost, or (b) rescheduled the attack to a time when the children were not likely to be there - schools have pretty well-established schedules, and do not operate 24/7.

Yes, or no.  No equivocation, no "but, but, but" - Yes, or No.

Even you should be able to answer that question.

[Hoodat]

Five days notice to sail?  Not 'Sail now to get there in five days'.  But 'Hey, we might set sail in five days, so be ready.'



InsideNK/GeoPolitics
@inside_nk

ALERT | The UK has put the HMS Prince of Wales aircraft carrier on five days' notice to sail in response to Middle East crisis.

7:57 AM · Mar 7, 2026  ·  2,639 Views

https://x.com/inside_nk/status/2030281800489025728

[Kamaji]

Now you are outright lying.  I said I abhor the lives lost.  It was a tragedy.  The crust of the discussion was around responsibility. and about a society that likes to put their most valuable at risk. This society is infamous for the use of human shields.   So if you are going to keep up the idiotic bullshit, at least tell the truth,

Then there is no material difference between you and the Islamists.  If they put innocent civilians at risk, then you believe that gives you license to simply shoot through the civilians to hit the target, and the civilians be damned.

[catfish1957]

Very simple question, for which the answer is "yes" or "no":  If U.S. military planners knew, or should have known, that there was a school within the danger zone of that attack, should they have taken that fact into account, and either (a) justified the chances of killing innocent young children because the timing of the attack was absolutely critical - but for attacking at precisely that time, the war would have been lost, or (b) rescheduled the attack to a time when the children were not likely to be there - schools have pretty well-established schedules, and do not operate 24/7.

Yes, or no.  No equivocation, no "but, but, but" - Yes, or No.

Even you should be able to answer that question.

Question...  Simple Yes or No......

Do You Beat Up Your Wife Routinely?....   Just give us a simple yes or no.

Simple Yes or No...   Do you beat up your wife routinely.....   Just answer Yes or No.

[Kamaji]

Question...  Simple Yes or No......

Do You Beat Up Your Wife Routinely?....   Just give us a simple yes or no.

Simple Yes or No...   Do you beat up your wife routinely.....   Just answer Yes or No.

No.


Wow.  You really are a f**king idiot, because you can't even ask a leading question that would entrap the answerer.

[Cyber Liberty]

I'm talking about you lot.

That's not very fair...we are not privy to what's being found on the ground.  We are looking through the lens of a media we don't trust.

[catfish1957]

Then there is no material difference between you and the Islamists.  If they put innocent civilians at risk, then you believe that gives you license to simply shoot through the civilians to hit the target, and the civilians be damned.

Another lie,...  Show me in my posting history where I have ever endorsed bombing civilian targets.  Your lies are getting damned old.

[catfish1957]

No.


Wow.  You really are a f**king idiot, because you can't even ask a leading question that would entrap the answerer.

And your question wasn't leading considering that  all the facts have  not been collected, and that the most of what we know is from the (cough cough..) honest MSM?

I think we all know who the f'ing idiot is.  Hoist the mirror Captain Jack,

[Hoodat]

Very simple question

No, it's a hypothetical question.

for which the answer is "yes" or "no":

Uh, no.  You don't get to dictate the terms of my answer, especially when your question is not only hypothetical but devoid of situational facts.  If you want a 'yes/no' response, then I am going to have to have a lot more details on which to base a binary conclusion.

If U.S. military planners knew, or should have known,

OK, which one is it?  Did they know?  Or did they not know?  And if they didn't know, then who elected you 'god' to judge them on whether they should have known?  This is why I hate liberal arguments.

that there was a school within the danger zone of that attack, should they have taken that fact into account

For the sake of argument, if they knew, then 'yes'.  They should have taken that fact into account along with the other 99 facts they had that were central to the attack.  You know, the other 99 facts that you purposely choose to ignore in your unrealistically vague hypothetical.

Yes, or no.  No equivocation, no "but, but, but" - Yes, or No.

Even you should be able to answer that question.

Again, do you really believe that the US military knew that there were children inside a building with a military communication tower inside an IRGC military base when it got placed on a list of 5,000 targets inside Iran?  Yes, or no.  No equivocation, no "but, but, but" - Yes, or No.

[Hoodat]

That's not very fair...we are not privy to what's being found on the ground.

And neither is @Kamaji .  He has invented a hypothetical question while demanding the rest of us play by its rules of the judgment it makes.

We are looking through the lens of a media we don't trust.

Correctamundo.

[Hoodat]

Now, back to the war:

https://twitter.com/WarFlash_2630/status/2030318151498621184