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Good luck with that. SpaceX is way behind with 5-7 years more work before it can get a man-rated lander to the Moon; this requires StarShip v3 to pass a preliminary design review after it PERFECTS refueling in space for starters - v3 has not even flown yet. Bezos' New Glenn lander & Artemis 3 would be a better or let's say quicker way to get to the Moon.

Remember, this is not a repeat of Apollo's take some pictures, leave a footprint, collect samples and go home. This is a colonization effort on the roughest terrain on the Moon: the lunar South Pole. Starship in any configuration will have to land on a fairly level surface, or being top heavy, tip over. That means a pad will have to be constructed. Who by and how will that be done before 2028, 2 years from now?

SpaceX has a new plan to land on the Moon! Will it work for NASA Artemis? Nov 19 2025

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuQ0ijoWDRc
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Yeah, well, but will Congress fund it?
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Yeah, well, but will Congress fund it?

Partially, then the House will cancel it after the GOP loses the the House in 2026. The Chinese will then have a free hand to colonize and militarize the Lunar South Pole. Perhaps, if SpaceX goes public in 2026, they will generate enough money to get to Mars before the Chinese. But that will depend on the FAA and the EPA granting permits to launch - likely they will make SpaceX jump through many unnecessary hoops because of Musk's involvement with the evil Trump.
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This is not something to rush.
Expedite, yes.

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This is not something to rush.

What if we can safely do it right now? Why not?

Let's say Elon takes the $56bn he just got in the Delaware state supreme court and spends some on financing his very own moon mission, any opposition to that?  :pondering:
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Throwing money at making a particular rocket do something fast is a disaster waiting to happen. Elon's StarShip is designed for Mars, not the Moon. So its pace of development is set to a Mars mission pace.

There is no way that StarShip can be ready to go to the Moon by 2028. Resounding Period. The lunar version of StarShip is version 3 which has not even flown yet, nor has any version achieved orbit, has not passed a preliminary design review, has not demonstrated and proven the ability to refuel in space, is not man-rated, does not have a crew escape on descent method, etc.

All of those hurdles and many more must be achieved before Starship can take anyone to the surface of the Moon at the Lunar South Pole. Once there Starship must land on a level and smooth pad. The terrain is the most rugged on the Moon, So someone, something has to precede it and create a landing pad, else StarShip is very likely to topple over, killing the crew.

Like it or not, the only man rated capsule capable of lunar mission is Orion; like it or not, the only rocket capable of possibly being ready to go to the Moon by 2028 is Artemis 3; like it or not, the only lander likely to be ready is Blue Origin's Blue Moon v1b.

Jared Isaacman is a common sense guy. On NASA's very limited budget [ think shoe string, massively underfunded for its missions ] he has to pick the least expensive, most likely to succeed method. And since NASA has already let lunar lander contracts to others beside SpaceX, one of them is far more likely to win: Blue Moon, Dynetics' ALPACA, and possibly a Lockheed Martin entry. The best of the 3 is ALPACA which has already passed its design review, but was bypassed by NASA in the original contract.

The major role StarShip will play in Lunar Operations is cargo lifting - its unbeatable, as things stand currently. Lunar lander - not so much.
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Speaking of Elon and politics [ space endeavors are dependent on politics ], here's an amusing bit:

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AOC stuck her foot into her mouth, AGAIN!

During an interview, AOC made the following statement:  “Elon Musk is one of the most unintelligent billionaires I’ve ever met or seen. The wealth doesn’t match the wisdom.”

Elon Musk didn’t stay quiet, probably because this was hilarious and she opened up a can of whoop-arse he enjoyed replying to:

“Interesting take. I build rockets, electric cars, satellites, and AI… you build tweets and talking points. If this is ‘unintelligent,’ I’ll take it … seems to be working pretty well for my bank account and the laws of physics.”

Then Elon delivered to final INTELLIGENT blow:
“You confuse disagreement with stupidity. Easy mistake when your whole career runs on applause, not results.”

Sometimes words can cut deeper than an actual knife.

AOC only performs for a group of people that prefer performances over substance and true experience.

Watch the video for full context at:
https://x.com/CreasonJana/status/2001990795583459333
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