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I'm not sure where to stand on this idea.

The solution was posted right here the other day.

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I will admit I have never been a fan of the filibuster though I can understand the arguments for it. I know the Founders put in checks and balances in to slow down the pace of Government from doing kneejerk things, but to me it always was a bridge too far. No state I'm aware of has the filibuster and we have many well run states despite that.
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I will admit I have never been a fan of the filibuster though I can understand the arguments for it. I know the Founders put in checks and balances in to slow down the pace of Government from doing kneejerk things, but to me it always was a bridge too far. No state I'm aware of has the filibuster and we have many well run states despite that.

See my post immediately above the quoted @Free Vulcan
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See my post immediately above the quoted @Free Vulcan

Caught it and read it - I could live with that. Puts on the handbrake but doesn't allow it to be used for obstruction,
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Caught it and read it - I could live with that. Puts on the handbrake but doesn't allow it to be used for obstruction,

It's the way the senate was supposed to operate!
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I'm not sure where to stand on this idea.

Just ask yourself how that worked out for Harry Reid and the Democrats when they first opened that Pandora's Box?
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Just ask yourself how that worked out for Harry Reid and the Democrats when they first opened that Pandora's Box?

I thought it went back to approving some judge on the GOP side in W term? That's where the term "nuclear option" even comes from.

Really both sides are hypocrites on this issue.

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Don't think if the Dems get back in power they will not do the same and end the filly.  So maybe Trump is right to do it now and take advantage of his congressional advantage.
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Don't think if the Dems get back in power they will not do the same and end the filly.  So maybe Trump is right to do it now and take advantage of his congressional advantage.

I think they should go ahead and end this..you know good and well the Rats would do it too.
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Don't think if the Dems get back in power they will not do the same and end the filly.  So maybe Trump is right to do it now and take advantage of his congressional advantage.

I have mixed feelings on the filibuster, but this shutdown has gone on long enough.  End it already.
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bele gives us the answer with:
"I have mixed feelings on the filibuster, but this shutdown has gone on long enough.  End it already."

I'm on record in this forum as to the filibuster.
Something about it is inherenty UNconstitutional.
It subverts the concept of "majority rule with minority rights".
It also subverts the concept of "one man, one vote" (because with the current rule, 41 votes carry more weight than do 51).

And don't give me that line about the Constitution permitting the House and Senate to "set their own rules". See above.

The political memories of many members of this forum are short, for some of you, almost non-existant. Don't you remember not-that-many-years-ago when (I believe it was) harry reid got the Senate to amend the filibuster rule so that Supreme Court nominees couldn't be filibustered?

If the Pubbies were savvy (and regardless of how slick they appear, they ain't), they'd force a filibuster rule change to automatically achieve cloture on funding bills after a set number of roll call tallies and a set time period of floor debate.

The rest of the filibuster rule could be left as it is, except for this.

But again, I say get rid of it in its entirety.
Doesn't matter if the dem-communists will get rid of it when they regain power or not.
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We must govern with realpolitik, in the here-and-now.
Either go bold, or... go home.

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Each state has a Constitutional right to be represented in the US Senate equally, with 2 Senators each.

60/40 = 1.5 = Minority Senators' votes have 150% weight.

40/60 =  .67 = Majority Senators' votes have 68% weight.

States with two Senators in the minority should challenge the US Senate rules as Unconstitutional in the US Supreme Court as their Senators' votes are being discounted by 33%.  That state's full representation in the US Senate is being discounted to 1.3 votes instead of retaining full value of 2.0 votes.
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