Trump's message to Hamas...[peace deal reached]

[Right_in_Virginia]

Flood all the miles of tunnels with Mediterranean Sea water

Why hasn't Israel already done this @DCPatriot  .... ?

[DCPatriot]

Why hasn't Israel already done this @DCPatriot  .... ?

Have no idea, @Right_in_Virginia

Just seems safest and least expensive way to eradicate the tunnels and destroy military equipment/arms.

Heard this discussed on talk radio today.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Have no idea, @Right_in_Virginia

Just seems safest and least expensive way to eradicate the tunnels and destroy military equipment/arms.

Heard this discussed on talk radio today.

I agree with this, which is why I've never understood why Israel pretty much ignored the tunnels for two years.  They could have rescued hostages, retrieved bodies and then destroyed them for good.  Just don't understand the strategy 
 
@DCPatriot

[berdie]

I agree with this, which is why I've never understood why Israel pretty much ignored the tunnels for two years.  They could have rescued hostages, retrieved bodies and then destroyed them for good.  Just don't understand the strategy 
 
@DCPatriot

Maybe for the last 2 years hostages were being held in the tunnels.

[Cyber Liberty]

Maybe for the last 2 years hostages were being held in the tunnels.

Yup!  Nothing to stop Israel from digging a canal to Gaza and fill up them tunnels.

[Timber Rattler]

I agree with this, which is why I've never understood why Israel pretty much ignored the tunnels for two years.  They could have rescued hostages, retrieved bodies and then destroyed them for good.  Just don't understand the strategy 

Because that's where the hostages were held, Sunshine!

[DefiantMassRINO]

Hamas takes hostages because they believe the Israeli's value them.  That gives Hamas leverage by kidnapping Israelis.

Israel needs to devalue the lives of Hamas's hostages to deprive them of leverage.  Think of the hostages as already dead, and proceed to turn Gaza into ash.

It's difficult for terrorists to hijack airliners, because once they reveal themselves, the other passengers presume that they are already dead (or will be dead), that they have nothing left to lose, and they overpower the hijackers.

War has to be cruel to discourage others from making war in the future.

Total war saves live because it shortens the conflict and decisively defeats the enemy to the point of unconditional surrender or complete annihilation.

I have no sympathy for aggressors and the parties that enable them.  If you're dumb, arrogant, or conceited enough to think you can mess with a bull, you deserve the horns.

The United Nations exists so nations can work out their differences without war.

Putin started the war and continues the war because he does not want peace with Ukraine; he wants to conquer it.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Because that's where the hostages were held, Sunshine!

That's a good point @Timber Rattler  ...

But, the very existence and expansion of these tunnels baffle me.  They were uncovered -- with certainty  -- during the war in 2014, yet left alone.

For the next 10 years residents of Southern Israel could hear the tunnel construction, colloquially called the "Hamas Metro", and Netanyahu approved what's been reported as much as a billion dollars in unaudited cash from Qatar to Hamas since 2018, which likely helped pay for the construction.

If the construction and expansion could be heard by those sitting around the breakfast table in a kibbutz, chances are the Mossad, Shin Bet and IDF could hear the sounds, too.  I simply don't understand why this threat wasn't cut off at its knees.   

[Hoodat]

If only Israel had been the 'occupiers' that they've been falsely accused of being, they could have done something about those tunnels.  They were stupid to allow Gaza to have control over their own Palestinian state.

[Right_in_Virginia]

If only Israel had been the 'occupiers' that they've been falsely accused of being, they could have done something about those tunnels.

It is curious ---- all Israel had to do was withhold water, food, electricity, medical supplies, and bomb the tunnels and call it "mowing the grass" --- or at least stop authorizing the transfers of cash ---.   But, for some God-forsaken reason, Netanyahu was okay with the expanding Hamas Metro.  I wish the why was known, with certainty.

[Cyber Liberty]

It is curious ---- all Israel had to do was withhold water, food, electricity, medical supplies, and bomb the tunnels and call it "mowing the grass" --- or at least stop authorizing the transfers of cash ---.   But, for some God-forsaken reason, Netanyahu was okay with the expanding Hamas Metro.  I wish the why was known, with certainty.

Well, not too fine a point on it, Bibi had thousands of people just like you criticizing his every move, and you would have been all over him for trying to find out how extensive the tunnel system really was.  And just about anything else he tries to do now....

[Kamaji]

The Hate never stops with this one.

[Hoodat]

Well, not too fine a point on it, Bibi had thousands of people just like you criticizing his every move, and you would have been all over him for trying to find out how extensive the tunnel system really was.  And just about anything else he tries to do now....

Damned if you do.  Damned if you don't.  But it interesting watching those who condemn Israel for its 'occupation' [sic] of Gaza now blame Israel for not occupying Gaza.

[Cyber Liberty]

Damned if you do.  Damned if you don't.  But it interesting watching those who condemn Israel for its 'occupation' [sic] of Gaza now blame Israel for not occupying Gaza.

Yeah, funny isn't it?

[Sighlass]

Hamas will just pull the equipment out of the tunnels if you flood them, or build new tunnels to hide the loot they still have. Israel just needs to wipe the place clean .... there can/will be no peace with those animals.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Well, not too fine a point on it, Bibi had thousands of people just like you criticizing his every move, and you would have been all over him for trying to find out how extensive the tunnel system really was.  And just about anything else he tries to do now....

Not to put too fine a point on it, I've been all over the great and powerful Bibi since 2014 --- as were hundreds of thousands of Israelis and several key members of his government who quit over his mishandling of the 2014 lawn mowing excursion, especially for allowing the tunnels to remain. 

Netanyahu deserves no rest, no quarter unless and until he explains, under oath:  ---  Why he allowed Hamas to expand its tunnel network and amass weapons of war, the deal he made with the devil to authorize the transfer of one billion dollars through the years to Hamas --- (the last approval he gave was in September 2023) --- why he and his administration ignored the clarion warning in the late 2022 Israeli security report titled "The Jericho Walls" and again weeks before the Oct 7 attack --- and why repeatedly bombing the same territory for two years to turn rubble to dust was more important than finding and retrieving Israeli hostages, both alive and dead.

I pray this peace agreement holds together --- that the Arab coalition can control Hamas and President Trump can control Netanyahu.  And I pray Israelis have both the wisdom and the courage to select a new Prime Minister who is ready and able to lead the nation into a new chapter --- a chapter with new alliances, a functioning membership in the neighborhood and the possibility of tangible peace, stability and prosperity.

Israelis of all stripes should finally offer to help the Netanyahu clan pack.

[Cyber Liberty]

You would have hated Golda Meir too.  Really, any Jewish PM who wouldn't tolerate being slaughtered by Moslems. Well, too bad.  Israel will not go into the good night.  Deal.

[Right_in_Virginia]

You would have hated Golda Meir too. 

Nonsense.  Golda, first and foremost, was not a habitual liar and games player with her most sacred responsibilities; Netanyahu is. 

Golda was an honorable leader.  When she had a failure with national security consequences, she didn't look for scapegoats, she took responsibility and resigned.  Benjamin Netanyahu will take his country through hell over and over and over again to save himself.

Golda Meir and Benjamin Netanyahu are two very different species of human.

Educate yourself.

[240B]

Yea! Educate yourself ... Dummy!
You are lacking MY wisdom.

[bigheadfred]

Mossad Commentary
@MOSSADil
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5h
🚨 BREAKING: CEASEFIRE COLLAPSE IN GAZA 🚨

Hamas committed a serious violation of the ceasefire agreement this morning.
Details are under publication ban, but the IDF has launched retaliatory strikes across the Gaza Strip.

Reports now emerging of heavy gunfire in Rafah and IDF shelling in northern Gaza.

Hamas has already released a statement blaming Israel — even as multiple videos show Hamas fighters behind the killings that triggered the escalation.

⚡Developing situation — updates to follow.

[Cyber Liberty]

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!

[Right_in_Virginia]

Haaretz Updates
Oct 19, 2025
15 minutes ago

IDF Says It Will Resume Enforcement of Cease-fire Following Series of Strikes Across Gaza

Here are the latest updates on the tenth day since the cease-fire was announced between Israel and Hamas:

■ Two IDF soldiers, Major Yaniv Kula and Staff Sgt. Itay Yavetz, were killed by armed Hamas militants who fired anti-tank missiles at IDF forces near the humanitarian aid route in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip.

■ In retaliation, the Israeli military carried out airstrikes across the Gaza Strip, which Qatar's Al Araby reported killed 44 people since Sunday morning.

■ The IDF said that the entry of all aid into Gaza would be halted "until further notice," later backtracking that the Rafah crossing will open when Hamas returns deceased hostages "at a reasonable pace."

■ Before the clashes in Gaza, Hamas said that it denies U.S. claims that it is planning to "launch an attack" in the near future against Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip, which the United States says would be a violation the cease-fire agreement with Israel.

■ Earlier Sunday, Hamas said it found another body of an Israeli hostage during searches across the Gaza Strip, and it will be released back to Israel on Sunday night "if ground conditions permit."

■ U.S. President Donald Trump said that if Hamas in the Gaza Strip does not disarm, "We'll have to do it for them," speaking with Fox News.

■ Deceased hostages Ronen Engel and Sonthaya Oakkharasri were identified as the two bodies handed over by Hamas to Israel on Saturday night.

■ U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner are set to meet Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday. U.S. Vice President JD Vance is set to meet Netanyahu on Tuesday.

■ Settlers attacked Palestinian farmers and foreign activists who accompanied them in the village of Turmus Ayya near Ramallah.

■ The Palestinian Health Ministry said that a 42-year-old man was killed, and another man in his 20s was wounded, by IDF forces raiding the Al Ain refugee camp in Nablus.

■ The Health Ministry in Gaza said that Israel had handed over the bodies of 15 Palestinians via the International Red Cross on Sunday.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-10-19/ty-article-live/israel-receives-two-coffins-of-deceased-hostages-to-be-identified-overnight/00000199-fa2e-d3e1-adfd-fe3fbf4a0000.

[libertybele]

I was fine reading the post until Kushner's name appeared   --  now just shaking my head

[Right_in_Virginia]

Israel conducted airstrikes in Gaza on Sunday after Hamas militants fired anti-tank missiles at Israeli soldiers, the IDF said in a statement.
Axios, Oct 19, 2025

Why it matters: The clashes were the most serious escalation since the ceasefire came into force. The Trump administration is trying to prevent further incidents that could lead to the collapse of the agreement.

* "We knew this was brewing. And the longer these guys are allowed to attack each other, the more they're going to attack each other," a senior Trump administration official told Axios.

Driving the news: The IDF said the incident happened on Sunday morning local time when Hamas militants came out of a tunnel in the Rafah area, which is still mostly controlled by the Israeli military, and launched an anti-tank missile at an IDF vehicle. Two Israeli soldiers were killed.

* In response to the incident, the IDF conducted around 100 air strikes against Hamas targets in the Rafah area and in other parts of Gaza. At least 23 Palestinians were killed, according to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Ministry of Health.

* Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stressed in a statement that Hamas has violated the ceasefire and vowed a strong response. On Sunday, he decided to close all crossings to the Gaza Strip and halt the delivery of humanitarian aid in response to Hamas' violation of the ceasefire, a senior Israeli official said.

* Israeli officials confirmed that aid delivery will be renewed on Monday morning local time, echoing information a U.S. official told Axios.

The latest: On Sunday night local time, ten hours after the fighting started the IDF announced that "in accordance with the directive of the political leadership, and following a significant series of strikes," the IDF has renewed adherence to the ceasefire "after its violation by Hamas."

* The IDF will continue to enforce the ceasefire agreement and will respond forcefully to any violation of the agreement," the IDF said in a statement.

The other side: Hamas' military wing denied any involvement in the incident in Rafah, and emphasized it is fully committed to the ceasefire.

* "We are not aware of any incidents or clashes taking place in the Rafah area, because these are zones under Israeli control, and contact has been severed with our groups that remained there," Hamas' military wing said in a statement.

Behind the scenes: Israel notified the Trump administration in advance of the strikes through the U.S. command center that oversees the ceasefire, U.S. and Israeli officials said.

* Trump's envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner held a call with Israeli minister Ron Dermer and other officials to coordinate and discuss next steps, a U.S. official said.

* The U.S. official said the U.S urged Israel to "respond proportionately but show restraint."

* The U.S. told Israel the focus should be on isolating Hamas for its violations and actions and moving fast towards creating an alternative for Hamas in Gaza, rather than resuming the war.

The big picture: The agreement to end the war in Gaza is a major diplomatic achievement for President Trump. The administration feels the situation is so tenuous that only strong oversight will keep the fragile peace.

* The Trump administration will significantly increase its control of implementing Gaza's peace deal to make sure it doesn't fall apart, U.S. officials say.

* "The next 30 days are going to be critical," a U.S. official said. "We are now in charge of what's going on in Gaza when it comes to the implementation of the deal. We are going to be calling the shots."

Between the lines: One U.S. official said the clashes on Sunday are exactly the kind of incidents they have been concerned about and expecting during the current transition period.

* A second U.S. official said that since Trump visited the region last week, both Hamas and Israel have taken actions that raised concerns about moving forward with the implementation.

More:  https://www.axios.com/2025/10/19/trump-gaza-deal-hamas-israel

[Right_in_Virginia]

I was fine reading the post until Kushner's name appeared   --  now just shaking my head

I don't quite get Kushner, either ----  other than Trump seems to have great faith in him.  Kushner, being Trump's SIL, just disrupts the balance of power within the US negotiating team.  On this "mission" it should be Vance, but likely will be Jared. 

[libertybele]

We all know that Hamas' denial, that they had no involvement in Rafah is pure b.s.

[libertybele]

I don't quite get Kushner, either ----  other than Trump seems to have great faith in him.  Kushner, being Trump's SIL, just disrupts the balance of power within the US negotiating team.  On this "mission" it should be Vance, but likely will be Jared. 

You are right, it should be JD - Kushner holds no position. 

[Timber Rattler]

You are right, it should be JD - Kushner holds no position.

Neither does Witkoff.  They are not official U.S. diplomats or Senate confirmed State Department officials, and hold no legitimate role in U.S. diplomacy except through their personal relationships with Trump. 

It's one thing to have back channel comms through mutual friends and connections during times of crises, like Bobby Kennedy's secret messaging with KGB station chief Georgi Bolshokov during the Cuban Missile crisis.  But for Trump to simply push aside the State Department and use his son-in-law and business buddy as his official/unoficial spokespeople is dangerous, with zero accountability, especially since Witkoff knows nothing about anything except real estate.  In fact, Witkoff had NO business even sitting in on that meeting with Zelensky on Friday and trying to bully him into surrender.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Food for thought: 

Ever wonder why Netanyahu couldn't win a war against goat herders in two years, or why the IDF could give the coordinates for dead hostages to US intermediaries to pass on to Hamas, but chose to let them rot in Gaza for years?  Ever wonder why when Trump talks about peace, he often asks Israel to pardon Netanyahu --- the last time in person, to the whole Knesset?

Ever wonder why Netanyahu needs this war?

TOI
Oct 19, 2025

Earlier today, the Jerusalem District Court canceled hearings for Netanyahu’s testimony in his criminal trial that had been scheduled for Monday and Tuesday, citing “urgent diplomatic meetings” the premier said he needed to attend. Netanyahu’s lawyers added that he would not be able to testify on Wednesday or Thursday either, because of Vance’s upcoming visit and a swearing-in ceremony for new Shin Bet chief David Zini.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/witkoff-and-kushner-arrive-in-israel-tomorrow-vance-on-tuesday-us-official/

[BobfromWB]

47's message to the Hamas murderers - surrender or else;
47's message to Ukraine freedom fighters - surrender or else.

Make sense of that.

[240B]

Food for thought: 

Ever wonder why Netanyahu couldn't win a war against goat herders in two years, or why the IDF could give the coordinates for dead hostages to US intermediaries to pass on to Hamas, but chose to let them rot in Gaza for years?  Ever wonder why when Trump talks about peace, he often asks Israel to pardon Netanyahu --- the last time in person, to the whole Knesset?

Ever wonder why Netanyahu needs this war?

@Right_in_Virginia
I do not believe or trust anything you say about anything. You are just a teenage troll looking to stir up trouble.

[Wingnut]

Food for thought: 

Next time you have a thought...Let it go.  You haven't had a rational thought for 2 years. 

[GtHawk]

47's message to the Hamas murderers - surrender or else;
47's message to Ukraine freedom fighters - surrender or else.

Make sense of that.

Well your right, the word else in this context makes little sense sense, now if you replace it in both with the word die…..

[Widget Jr]

Neither does Witkoff....n fact, Witkoff had NO business even sitting in on that meeting with Zelensky on Friday and trying to bully him into surrender.

The reason Trump is using outsiders is after the last eight years he doesn't know who to trust. When so many higher ups in the Federal civil service have tried to screw Trump over for the last ten years, some of the blame for Trump bypassing them in on them. The problem with changing the government, is the government does not want to change. For Trump to change Washington DC, he can't play by the rules used to stop him. I'm not fan of his Ukraine policies, let's not forget how much of our own government has their own agendas no matter who is in the Oval Office or which party leads Congress.

[libertybele]

The reason Trump is using outsiders is after the last eight years he doesn't know who to trust. When so many higher ups in the Federal civil service have tried to screw Trump over for the last ten years, some of the blame for Trump bypassing them in on them. The problem with changing the government, is the government does not want to change. For Trump to change Washington DC, he can't play by the rules used to stop him. I'm not fan of his Ukraine policies, let's not forget how much of our own government has their own agendas no matter who is in the Oval Office or which party leads Congress.

I've said it many, many times Trump trusting Kushner is a HUGE mistake!

[Widget Jr]

Food for thought: 

Ever wonder why Netanyahu couldn't win a war against goat herders in two years... Ever wonder why Netanyahu needs this war?

No. Because:

Hamas started the war, not Israel.
The IDF is out to destroy Hamas, not commit genocide. If the IDF wanted to commit genocide, the civilian body count would be much higher.
The IDF is much smaller, 670,000 personal total. The US military has 2 million active and reserve, plus another 800k civilian employees. Gaza's population is 2.1 million.
The IDF has lower weapons production behind it than the US armed forces.
They can put up a smaller fight than the US in any given time.
House to house fighting when Hamas builds tunnels first, then builds hospitals over the tunnels makes urban combat a lot harder.


Israel is fighting as well as the size of the military can under the conditions they have to face. Only a handful of conflicts make war look easy like the first Iraq war.

[Widget Jr]

I've said it many, many times Trump trusting Kushner is a HUGE mistake!

Why? Trump has trusted Kushner for 20 years, a decade before Trump entered politics.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The reason Trump is using outsiders is after the last eight years he doesn't know who to trust. When so many higher ups in the Federal civil service have tried to screw Trump over for the last ten years, some of the blame for Trump bypassing them in on them. The problem with changing the government, is the government does not want to change. For Trump to change Washington DC, he can't play by the rules used to stop him. I'm not fan of his Ukraine policies, let's not forget how much of our own government has their own agendas no matter who is in the Oval Office or which party leads Congress.

Interesting points ⬆️  @Widget Jr   But, Kushner is unique. 

Between the nepotism inherent in his relationship with the President and his own father's personal relationship with Benjamin Netanyahu (how many young teenagers gave up their bedroom to a former PM and slept in the basement with his security team?), Jared Kushner has earned some examination.

It should be okay to ask for at least the standard vetting and confirmation processes to identify the captain of the team Jared's playing for .... the President, the Prime Minister or his father.

[Right_in_Virginia]

No. Because:

Hamas started the war, not Israel.

@Widget Jr

Actually, Hamas started this battle.  The war started decades before 2007 when Hamas seized power on the Gaza Strip.

The IDF is out to destroy Hamas, not commit genocide. If the IDF wanted to commit genocide, the civilian body count would be much higher.

I agree that genocide in Gaza was not Netanyahu's goal.    But ethnic cleansing was on the table, as evidenced by the IDF turning rubble to dust, including schools, hospitals, mosques, graveyards, neighborhoods and homes and Netanyahu's government actively looking for countries to accept the remaining Gazan Palestinians.  Israel came thisclose to making ethnic cleansing a reality until the world, absent the US, stood up and shouted "No!".

The IDF is much smaller, 670,000 personal total. The US military has 2 million active and reserve, plus another 800k civilian employees. Gaza's population is 2.1 million. The IDF has lower weapons production behind it than the US armed forces. They can put up a smaller fight than the US in any given time. House to house fighting when Hamas builds tunnels first, then builds hospitals over the tunnels makes urban combat a lot harder.

Clearly you know more specifics about the IDF than do I,  but that proverbial sniff test says given two years "the best armed and best trained military in the world" could defeat first century goat herders --- period.

[Right_in_Virginia]

PM Netanyahu confirms he will run in Israel's 2026 election
Welcomed by cheering supporters chanting “Bibi, King of Israel,” Netanyahu described the Gaza conflict as “the war of rebirth”
I24 News, Oct 19, 2025

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced on Saturday evening that he intends to run for re-election in the 2026 legislative elections, declaring confidently that he will “win.”

The announcement came during an extended interview on Channel 14’s program The Patriots, where Netanyahu discussed key moments of his current term, tensions with Washington, and his perspective on the ongoing war in Gaza.

Welcomed by cheering supporters chanting “Bibi, King of Israel,” Netanyahu described the Gaza conflict as “the war of rebirth,” saying it had strengthened Israel and demonstrated the nation’s resilience.

He praised the “courage of soldiers and the wounded,” attributing recent military gains to “difficult but just decisions” and close coordination with former U.S. President Donald Trump.

More:  https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/politics/artc-pm-netanyahu-confirms-he-will-run-in-israel-s-2026-election#google_vignette.

__________________________________________________________________________________

Compare ⬆️  and contrast  ⬇️ ----

Golda Meir resigned as Prime Minister of Israel on April 11, 1974, in the wake of public outrage and political turmoil following the 1973 Yom Kippur War.

Although she was not directly implicated by an official commission of inquiry, the nation's profound losses during the surprise attack ultimately led to her downfall.

Background and contributing factors

* The Yom Kippur War: On October 6, 1973, Egypt and Syria launched a surprise attack on Israel. The Israeli military suffered heavy casualties, and though they ultimately gained the upper hand, the nation was left in a state of deep shock and anger over its lack of preparedness.

* Agranat Commission: The Israeli government appointed a judicial commission of inquiry, headed by Chief Justice Shimon Agranat, to investigate the failures of the war. Its interim report, released in April 1974, called for the dismissal of several top military leaders.

* Public and political pressure: Although the Agranat Commission cleared Meir and Defense Minister Moshe Dayan of direct blame, public criticism and protests against the political leadership mounted rapidly.

* Weakened coalition: Despite winning the December 1973 election, Meir found it difficult to maintain control of her coalition government. An internal power struggle within her own Labor Party further destabilized her position.

The resignation

* Final announcement: Facing mounting pressure and party division, Meir resigned on April 11, 1974.

* Succession: Yitzhak Rabin, who was serving as Labor Minister, succeeded Meir after a leadership contest against Shimon Peres. He formed a new government in June 1974.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Netanyahu deserves no rest, no quarter unless and until he explains, under oath:  ---  Why he allowed Hamas to expand its tunnel network and amass weapons of war,   the deal he made with the devil to authorize the transfer of one billion dollars through the years to Hamas --- (the last approval he gave was in September 2023) ---   why he and his administration ignored the clarion warning in the late 2022 Israeli security report titled "The Jericho Walls" and again weeks before the Oct 7 attack ---   and why repeatedly bombing the same territory for two years to turn rubble to dust was more important than finding and retrieving Israeli hostages, both alive and dead.

I pray this peace agreement holds together --- that the Arab coalition can control Hamas and President Trump can control Netanyahu.  And I pray Israelis have both the wisdom and the courage to select a new Prime Minister who is ready and able to lead the nation into a new chapter --- a chapter with new alliances, a functioning membership in the neighborhood and the possibility of tangible peace, stability and prosperity.

Israelis of all stripes should finally offer to help the Netanyahu clan pack.

[Timber Rattler]

The reason Trump is using outsiders is after the last eight years he doesn't know who to trust. When so many higher ups in the Federal civil service have tried to screw Trump over for the last ten years, some of the blame for Trump bypassing them in on them. The problem with changing the government, is the government does not want to change. For Trump to change Washington DC, he can't play by the rules used to stop him. I'm not fan of his Ukraine policies, let's not forget how much of our own government has their own agendas no matter who is in the Oval Office or which party leads Congress.

Yeah, I certainly get that.  The Clintons, Democrat, and career staffers who comprised "La Resistance" poisoned everything about the government, and especially its foreign relations.  I respect Kushner a lot more than I do Witkoff wince Kushner does seem to be intelligent and a good negotiator.  Witkoff is just hopeless though.  I wish Trump would find better friends to do this kind of "life and death" stuff though since he's on the verge of handing Ukraine back to Russia simply because he wants to be buddies with Putin again and get the Nobel Peace Prize.

[Right_in_Virginia]

    


ICYMI, (I did...) here's yesterday's 60 minute interview with Witkoff and Kushner.  Two versions are included, the 15 minute version I assume aired and the longer extended interview from 60 Minutes Overtime.

It's interesting to hear their own words synched with their expressions.  What's clear is these men are outside the box ...

Click on the link of your choice below:

Short version:  https://youtu.be/iwy3lKuLTCA?si=FcJUIZqpx5oNwso4

Long version:  https://youtu.be/dNa6PcU1Ke0?si=qv1x8D88K3yNRxq1

(Long version is worth the time, if you've got it)

@catfish1957  @DCPatriot  @Lando Lincoln  @libertybele  @Timber Rattler  @Widget Jr   ( and those I forgot to cc    )

[mystery-ak]

Witkoff, Kushner Spark Criticism by Defending Hamas, Criticizing Israel

U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner sparked controversy Sunday by defending Hamas’s good faith in the Gaza ceasefire, and suggesting Israel needs to treat Palestinians better.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/10/20/witkoff-kushner-spark-criticism-by-defending-hamas-criticizing-israel/

[Timber Rattler]

Witkoff told CBS that he had bonded with a Hamas leader over their shared loss of their sons.

Both men stressed that they believed Hamas intended to honor the deal and had negotiated in good faith.

Total idiot.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Total idiot. [Witkoff]

Kushner also said: “The biggest message that we’ve tried to convey to the Israeli leadership now is that, now that the war is over, if you want to integrate Israel with the broader Middle East, you have to find a way to help the Palestinian people thrive and do better.”

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/10/20/witkoff-kushner-spark-criticism-by-defending-hamas-criticizing-israel/

[DefiantMassRINO]

The war is not over.

Leaving Hamas in power in Gaza is akin to leaving the Nazi's in power after May, 1945.

[BobfromWB]

Total idiot.

The WitlessCougher fails to understand taqiyya, and fails to understand that muslims always negotiate in good faith right before they kill you.

Idiot is putting it mildly. But then what would one expect of a real estate salesman mixed up in intentional negotiations with muslims? He's so far out of his league as to be near the vanishing point.

[BobfromWB]

to integrate Israel with the broader Middle East, you have to find a way to help the Palestinian people thrive and do better.”

Just how does one "integrate" people that are raised and taught in every mosque that killing Jews is their religions duty? How does one make "the Palestinian people" thrive when their biggest contribution to the world is the cellphone bomb?

[Right_in_Virginia]

The war is not over.

Leaving Hamas in power in Gaza is akin to leaving the Nazi's in power after May, 1945.

The plan is not to leave Hamas in power in Gaza @DefiantMassRINO  They will be replaced by the ISF.  The negotiators are working on this ... but do need to pick up the pace.