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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #100 on: October 06, 2025, 07:02:39 am »
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Gaza peace talks latest: Trump demands Israel and Hamas ‘move fast’ to end war after strikes kill 24
Independent/UK, Oct 6, 2025

US President Donald Trump has demanded that everyone involved in Gaza peace talks “move fast” to end the war ahead of anticipated talks over the release of the remaining hostages.

Egypt will host negotiations between the two sides on Monday after America and Israel presented a 20-point plan for the cessation of the conflict in the besieged Strip last week.

It included demands for Hamas to disarm and release all hostages and for the creation of a transitional authority led by the US and former British prime minister Tony Blair.

Israel said it would free 250 Palestinians serving life sentences, 1,700 people including all women and children detained from Gaza and return the bodies of 15 Palestinians for each hostage.

President Trump said Hamas had 72 hours to respond, but experts have warned that the process could take time. Hamas has partially accepted the deal, as long as “appropriate field conditions” are met.

Over 66,000 Palestinians have been killed since the war erupted following Hamas’ 7 October, 2023 attacks on Israel, which killed nearly 1,200 people.

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #101 on: October 06, 2025, 07:29:26 am »
Everybody's holding their breath to see if Hamas releases hostages in the next couple of days, dead or alive....

They won't. 
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #102 on: October 06, 2025, 09:43:25 am »
While we wait for updates on today's events, here's some other, yet related news ----

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Times of Israel
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45% of Israelis think PM should immediately resign over Oct. 7; most think now’s time to end war

Sixty-six percent of Israelis say the time has come to end the war in Gaza, compared to 27% who think or are certain that the time has not yet come and seven percent who are unsure, an Israel Democracy Institute poll shows.

The 66% figure is 13 percentage points higher than the result from a year ago when respondents were asked the same question.

The top reason Israelis say the war should end is the endangerment of the hostages.

Sixty-four percent of Israelis think Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu should take responsibility for the October 7 attack and resign, either immediately (45%) or after the war (19%).


https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-october-6-2025/#liveblog-entry-3657900

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Times of Israel
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Hostage families urge Nobel Committee to give Trump peace prize: ‘He brought us light in our darkest times’

Families of hostages held in Gaza urge the Norwegian Nobel Committee to award United States President Donald Trump the Nobel Peace Prize this month over his efforts to secure the release of their loved ones.

The Hostages and Missing Families Forum, which represents the majority of hostages’ relatives in Israel, says in a statement that they sent a letter this morning to the committee — set to announce this year’s laureate on Friday — against the backdrop of imminent negotiations in Egypt over the implementation of the first stage of Trump’s plan to end the war in Gaza. Under that plan, all 48 remaining hostages would be freed within the first 72 hours.

At this very moment, President Trump’s comprehensive plan to release all remaining hostages and finally end this terrible war is on the table. For the first time in months, we are hopeful that our nightmare will finally be over. We are confident that he will not rest until the last hostage is brought home, the war has ended, and peace and prosperity are restored to the people of the Middle East,” the families write.

“From the moment of his inauguration, [Trump] brought us light through our darkest times,” they continue, expressing gratitude for the hostages returned through the US-brokered ceasefire between January and March.

"In this past year, no leader or organization has contributed more to peace around the world than President Trump. While many have spoken eloquently about peace, he has achieved it,” they add.

“We strongly urge you to award President Trump the Nobel Peace Prize because he has vowed he will not rest and will not stop until every last hostage is back home,” the letter concludes.

Since 2018, Trump has been nominated for the prestigious prize — which he has repeatedly asserted that he deserves — by several individuals in the United States and politicians abroad. In July, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu nominated the American leader for the award, citing the US’s role in the 12-day Israel-Iran war and the ceasefire that ended it.

However, Netanyahu’s nomination would only be valid for the 2026 selection. Some observers have suggested that Trump is moving swiftly to begin implementing his Gaza ceasefire proposal in part to strengthen his chances ahead of this year’s award.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-october-6-2025/#liveblog-entry-3657900



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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #103 on: October 06, 2025, 10:04:05 am »
One more:

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PM asks High Court to delay hearing on Palestinian prisoners, citing risk to hostage talks

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office asks the High Court of Justice to postpone by one month a hearing on a petition demanding that representatives of the International Committee of the Red Cross be allowed to visit Palestinian prisoners and detainees from Gaza and the West Bank held in Israel.

In a written request to the court, Netanyahu argues that “any decision on this matter at this time could harm efforts to secure the return of all hostages, both the living and the fallen.”

This marks the first time the government, through the State Attorney’s Office, has informed the High Court that providing information about the condition of Palestinian prisoners and detainees from Gaza could harm Israel’s standing in the international arena.

Human rights organizations in Israel view the government’s position as an implicit admission that Palestinian prisoners and detainees may be subjected to abuse in Israeli prisons.

Over a year and a half ago, several human rights groups, including the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, Physicians for Human Rights, HaMoked Center for the Defense of the Individual and Gisha, filed a petition to the High Court regarding the treatment of Palestinian detainees.

The state has long avoided submitting a detailed response to the petition, filing over 20 requests for extensions despite multiple deadlines set by the justices.

In August 2024, Justices Isaac Amit, Yechiel Kasher, and Ruth Ronen issued a conditional order requiring the state to explain two issues: why it continues to enforce a blanket ban on Red Cross visits to Palestinian prisoners and detainees held by the Israel Defense Forces and the Israel Prison Service and why it has not provided the Red Cross with the names of all those in custody.

After repeated delays, the court scheduled a final hearing for two weeks from now. The state was due to file its response Sunday, but instead submitted Netanyahu’s request to defer both the filing and the hearing by another month.

According to the State Attorney’s Office, Netanyahu held a meeting Sunday attended by Foreign Minister Gideon Sa’ar, National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir, Cabinet Secretary Yossi Fuchs, Israel Prison Service Commissioner Kobi Yaakobi and representatives of the Shin Bet, the IDF, the Prison Service and the Justice Ministry.

Following the meeting, Netanyahu, with the backing of security officials, asked to delay the proceedings, citing the potentially imminent implementation US President Donald Trump’s recently unveiled plan for ending the Gaza war.

Attorney Oded Feller of the Association for Civil Rights in Israel responds that the petitioners “hope for the end of this terrible war, for the safe return of all living hostages, for the return of all bodies and for an end to the abuse of prisoners in jails and detention centers.”

"But the petitioners strongly reject the implication that Red Cross visits or the sharing of information about prisoners could impede the return of hostages. These are baseless political claims,” Feller continues.

“The failure to bring back the hostages lies entirely with the prime minister and his government, as does the ongoing suffering caused by their unlawful policies toward Palestinian detainees,” Feller adds.


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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #104 on: October 06, 2025, 10:36:42 am »
And SURPRISE!  Hamas is now demanding new concessions and wanting to release the hostages last.

Hokey-pokey.


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« Reply #105 on: October 06, 2025, 12:16:32 pm »
And SURPRISE!  Hamas is now demanding new concessions and wanting to release the hostages last.

Hokey-pokey.


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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #106 on: October 06, 2025, 12:22:36 pm »
Is Trump a politically imponent fool when it comes to Hamas?

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #107 on: October 06, 2025, 12:51:23 pm »
Today. On this day. I would not want to be anywhere near anything Hamas related.
I do not know what is going to happen. But ... I would not want to be on the wrong side.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #108 on: October 06, 2025, 12:52:58 pm »
Is Trump a politically imponent fool when it comes to Hamas?

I think it's more of a case of giving them enough rope to hang themselves where Israel is concerned.


Now Trump can say "I tried to make this easy for you...now you're going to learn the hard way"
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #109 on: October 06, 2025, 01:30:05 pm »
I think it's more of a case of giving them enough rope to hang themselves where Israel is concerned.


Now Trump can say "I tried to make this easy for you...now you're going to learn the hard way"

Hamas is showing all the signs of blowing it by demanding an end to hostilities first, and hostages dead last.  The hard way is coming.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #110 on: October 06, 2025, 02:18:29 pm »
Here are some of the tenets of the Hamas Covenant.



Article 6:

It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned. In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails, and schisms and wars will break out.

Article 7:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders. It goes back to 1939, to the emergence of the martyr Izz al-Din al Kissam and his brethren the fighters, members of Muslim Brotherhood.

Article 8:

Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.


Article 11:

The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [endowment] consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that.

Article 12:

Nationalism, from the point of view of the Islamic Resistance Movement, is part of the religious creed. Nothing in nationalism is more significant or deeper than in the case when an enemy should tread Muslim land. Resisting and quelling the enemy become the individual duty of every Muslim, male or female.

Article 13:

Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Now and then the call goes out for the convening of an international conference to look for ways of solving the [Palestinian] question. Some accept, others reject the idea, for this or other reason, with one stipulation or more for consent to convening the conference and participating in it. Knowing the parties constituting the conference, their past and present attitudes towards Muslim problems, the Islamic Resistance Movement does not consider these conferences capable of realizing the demands, restoring the rights or doing justice to the oppressed. These conferences are only ways of setting the infidels in the land of the Muslims as arbitrators. When did the infidels do justice to the believers?

Article 14:

The question of the liberation of Palestine is bound to three circles: the Palestinian circle, the Arab circle and the Islamic circle. Each of these circles has its role in the struggle against Zionism. Each has its duties, and it is a horrible mistake and a sign of deep ignorance to overlook any of these circles…Since this is the case, liberation of Palestine is then an individual duty for every Muslim wherever he may be. On this basis, the problem should be viewed. This should be realized by every Muslim.

Article 15:

The day that enemies usurp part of Muslim land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Muslim. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.


Article 28:

Arab countries surrounding Israel are asked to open their borders before the fighters from among the Arab and Islamic nations so that they could consolidate their efforts with those of their Muslim brethren in Palestine. As for the other Arab and Islamic countries, they are asked to facilitate the movement of the fighters from and to it, and this is the least thing they could do.


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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #111 on: October 06, 2025, 02:22:17 pm »
Open Source Intel
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Hamas official in Tehran: “Our red lines include a ceasefire, complete withdrawal of occupation forces from Gaza, opening of crossings, humanitarian aid access, and rebuilding the Strip. After achieving these objectives, we will pursue political solutions and prisoner swaps.” - N12

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https://x.com/Osint613/status/1975179941579759648

So basically, Hamas has rejected the peace plan.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #112 on: October 06, 2025, 02:27:16 pm »
So basically, Hamas has rejected the peace plan.

Yup!  Bibi can proceed straight to the task at hand, finishing the parking lot construction.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #113 on: October 06, 2025, 02:29:04 pm »
Hamas is showing all the signs of blowing it by demanding an end to hostilities first, and hostages dead last.  The hard way is coming.

But, is the hard way coming?  Either Hamas is calling Trump's bluff or they are ready to go on to phase II with yet another October 7 inflicted upon Israel ....or they have enough sleeper cells within the U.S. that they have geared up and will wreak havoc on our country.   My hunch is the later.

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« Reply #114 on: October 06, 2025, 02:30:40 pm »
Yup!  Bibi can proceed straight to the task at hand, finishing the parking lot construction.

But will he?  According to Israeli polls, what he's been doing isn't exactly popular.

It's now or never.  Bibi nor Trump can afford to stall and must proceed as they have vowed to do.

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« Reply #115 on: October 06, 2025, 02:47:22 pm »
Hamas and Iran still think its 2023 and that Joe Biden is still President.

Just as 9/11 ruined the ability of terrorists to hijack planes, the October 7, 2023, attack ruined Hamas' ability to exist in Gaza.

Both incidents clarified that our enemy wants us dead.  He does not want peace.  He does not want to negotiate.  Negotiation is just a stall tactic so they can live to kill us another day.

Rain napalm from the skies.  If Hamas won't burn, let them suffocate.

It's time the US and Israel took steps to collapse Iran's economy.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #116 on: October 06, 2025, 02:55:05 pm »
Hamas and Iran still think its 2023 and that Joe Biden is still President.

Just as 9/11 ruined the ability of terrorists to hijack planes, the October 7, 2023, attack ruined Hamas' ability to exist in Gaza.

Both incidents clarified that our enemy wants us dead.  He does not want peace.  He does not want to negotiate.  Negotiation is just a stall tactic so they can live to kill us another day.

Rain napalm from the skies.  If Hamas won't burn, let them suffocate.

It's time the US and Israel took steps to collapse Iran's economy.

Bibi should have gone in after October 7 and dealt with Hamas  -- only problem is -- they had hostages. Of course they are still claiming to have hostages.  Likely the hostages are dead.

Hamas needs to be dealt with swiftly and once and for all - we'll see what Iran does next.

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #117 on: October 06, 2025, 03:17:23 pm »
Isn't all of this still a proposal?  Wouldn't an actual agreement --- the kind that locks in the terms and processes for achieving those terms ---- require a document signed in understanding and acceptance by the US, Qatar, Israel, Hamas and a representative of the Arab coalition? 

Isn't this what's being worked for in Egypt?




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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #118 on: October 06, 2025, 03:19:12 pm »
Isn't all of this still a proposal?  Wouldn't an actual agreement --- the kind that locks in the terms and processes for achieving those terms ---- require a document signed in understanding and acceptance by the US, Qatar, Israel, Hamas and a representative of the Arab coalition? 

Isn't this was being worked toward in Egypt?

Deadline's up.  Where are the hostages?  I don't remember Trump saying anything about paperwork.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #119 on: October 06, 2025, 03:20:25 pm »
Deadline's up.  Where are the hostages?

What started the deadline clock ticking?




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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #120 on: October 06, 2025, 03:20:57 pm »
Whst started the deadline clock ticking?

Trump's Truth Social post on the matter, but you knew that.
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« Reply #121 on: October 06, 2025, 03:21:16 pm »
Whst started the deadline clock ticking?

Trump’s own statement, S4Bs. 
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #122 on: October 06, 2025, 03:25:28 pm »
Trump's Truth Social post on the matter, but you knew that.

Which one? 

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #123 on: October 06, 2025, 03:34:52 pm »
Trump’s own statement, S4Bs.

Then what are Hamas and Israel now negotiating? 

And, if you're still negotiating, has the point of acceptance by either side been reached?  If not, how has a deadline been triggered?

Trump's team should have already cleared this up.

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #124 on: October 06, 2025, 03:37:44 pm »
Isn't all of this still a proposal?  Wouldn't an actual agreement --- the kind that locks in the terms and processes for achieving those terms ---- require a document signed in understanding and acceptance by the US, Qatar, Israel, Hamas and a representative of the Arab coalition? 

Isn't this what's being worked for in Egypt?

Hamas is not taking the deal offered. It's a take it or leave it deal and Hamas is trying to renegotiate it, as they always try to do.  They either cough up the hostages upfront, or it's back to war.  We (most us, anyway) knew this was going to happen last week, because we know Hamas.
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« Reply #125 on: October 06, 2025, 03:42:14 pm »
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Hamas is not taking the deal offered. It's a take it or leave it deal and Hamas is trying to renegotiate it, as they always try to do. 

Israel's obviously cool with it  :shrug:

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« Reply #126 on: October 06, 2025, 03:46:52 pm »
Then what are Hamas and Israel now negotiating? 

And, if you're still negotiating, has the point of acceptance by either side been reached?  If not, how has a deadline been triggered?

Trump's team should have already cleared this up.

The only people "negotiating" is Hamas, and they want more time to rearm, and new terms to allow them to keep holding hostages.  Patience for that has run out on the eve of the second anniversary of the slaughtering of 1,200 or so innocent musical festival participants.  You may recall that, it was in all the papers....
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #127 on: October 06, 2025, 03:49:27 pm »
Israel's obviously cool with it  :shrug:

Don't mistake patience with being "cool with it."
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« Reply #128 on: October 06, 2025, 03:51:58 pm »
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Hamas is not taking the deal offered. It is a take it or leave it deal and Hamas is trying to renegotiate it

What does it mean that Israel's taken a seat at the table?

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« Reply #129 on: October 06, 2025, 03:58:52 pm »
What does it mean that Israel's taken a seat at the table?

Waiting for Hamas to accept the deal offered.  At some point it will be assumed to be rejected.  At present the only negotiating is Hamas with itself.

In days, Israel will resume the shooting with renewed vigor.  The game being played by Hamas is coming to an end!
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #130 on: October 06, 2025, 06:01:08 pm »
Isn't all of this still a proposal?

Did you not hear what Trump said?  Did you not read the proposal?  Time for you to choose a side here.  Where does your loyalty lie?  With Trump?  Or with Hamas?
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #131 on: October 06, 2025, 06:03:08 pm »
Waiting for Hamas to accept the deal offered.  At some point it will be assumed to be rejected.

The fact that Hamas has already rejected it should be a sure sign of rejection by Hamas.   Release the Merkavas!
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« Reply #132 on: October 06, 2025, 06:07:38 pm »
Islam as a "thing" is a thug gist regression into barbarianism.
They claim to be a 'religion' but they are actually an invasive force.
'Islam' is an invasive barbaric savage way of life.

Taking out Hamas is more than just a strategic victory for Israel.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #133 on: October 06, 2025, 06:08:41 pm »
Then what are Hamas and Israel now negotiating?

They're not.  An offer is on the table.  Hamas has rejected that offer.  The only purpose of the meeting is for Hamas to drag this out while people such as yourself disseminate their propaganda.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #134 on: October 06, 2025, 06:15:23 pm »
They're not.  An offer is on the table.  Hamas has rejected that offer.  The only purpose of the meeting is for Hamas to drag this out while people such as yourself disseminate their propaganda.

I wrote before last weekend that Hamas is going to reject the deal, and the war will be back on with a vengeance by this weekend.  Looks like it's gonna happen.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #135 on: October 06, 2025, 06:18:20 pm »
It is abundantly clear that Hamas has rejected the offer.

Time is up!!! It's been up and we all knew that they weren't going to release hostages or negotiate.

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #136 on: October 06, 2025, 06:28:09 pm »
I wrote before last weekend that Hamas is going to reject the deal, and the war will be back on with a vengeance by this weekend.  Looks like it's gonna happen.

Perhaps, but perhaps it's not the cut and dry.  You can bet that all the pro-Pali anti-Israel groups within our country are gearing up and ready to strike. 

My concern is how many terrorists Biden let through out borders and the number of sleeper cells that will awaken.

Also, a war upon Hamas won't be accepted globally.   

Though I absolutely agree that Hamas' time is up, these are things that may hamper an attack never seen before against Hamas.

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« Reply #137 on: October 06, 2025, 06:31:54 pm »
I wrote before last weekend that Hamas is going to reject the deal, and the war will be back on with a vengeance by this weekend.  Looks like it's gonna happen.

Hamas is going to do whatever their Iranian masters tell them to do. Same as always.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #138 on: October 06, 2025, 06:32:27 pm »
It seems like something is always just about happen?  Well, when?

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« Reply #139 on: October 06, 2025, 06:32:45 pm »
Islam as a "thing" is a thug gist regression into barbarianism.
They claim to be a 'religion' but they are actually an invasive force.
'Islam' is an invasive barbaric savage way of life.

Taking out Hamas is more than just a strategic victory for Israel.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #140 on: October 06, 2025, 06:40:53 pm »
It seems like something is always just about happen?  Well, when?

I agree.  When?  Seems like Israel and Hamas have negotiated at the table before ... Hamas promised hostages and Israel threatened vengeance like never before.

Strategic preparations should have already been made. So ..... if nothing happens .... Hamas basically wins another round of delaying and regrouping.

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« Reply #141 on: October 06, 2025, 07:12:39 pm »
The only possible advantage I see to this charade is that Israel sits at the table, again, and when Hamas  hokey pokeys, again, the world can't say that Israel rejected the opportunity to negotiate. Of course, the world will in some way say this is their fault, anyway.

Hamas negotiation tactic...you put your right leg in you take your right leg out, etc.

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« Reply #142 on: October 06, 2025, 08:04:23 pm »
Quote

I must once again emphasize the extraordinary and almost miraculous reality we find ourselves in today.

Regardless of whether Trump’s deal is good or bad, or even whether it comes to fruition, we cannot lose sight of the bigger picture. As a nation that was targeted for annihilation in a coordinated, Iranian-Qatari funded, genocidal attack on October 7th, our very existence today is something to be profoundly grateful for.

First, we can not kid ourselves: Hamas just rejected Trump’s deal, dressed up as a “yes, but,” but in Middle East speak, that’s a hard no.

The ultimatum was simple: Free all the hostages. End the war. No changes to the deal. Total surrender of Hamas. That’s what Trump’s deal is about. That’s what he got the Arab world to sign off on. And Hamas is playing games, again.

But here’s the real story: the only reason we’ve even reached this point, where Hamas and Qatar are being forced to respond to an ultimatum that looks like unconditional surrender, with freeing all of our hostages as step #1, is because Netanyahu stood alone.

Netanyahu stood against the entire senior Israeli security establishment, against the political center-left that led demoralization campaigns together with Israeli mainstream media from day one through today, and against an international diplomatic machine that’s been working overtime to cut this war short and hand Hamas a victory, all by making Israel look like it’s committing blood libelous war crimes.
From the very beginning, October 7th and every day since, the Israeli “deep state” has been trying to do what it always does: “manage” the conflict. Delay. Minimize. Everything but win to protect Israel from future massacres.


For heaven’s sake, some of the same generals and intelligence heads who were responsible for the decades of security policies that brought about the October 7 massacre, had the nerve to lead public campaigns in the media against the military offensives into Gaza.

The Lapid-Gantz-Eisenkot axis, and their allies in the military and intelligence hierarchy, were dead set on pulling the plug in March 2024, before the military offensive in Rafah, and before the military offensive to take the Philadelphi corridor, before we got anywhere near breaking Hamas’ control.

They were ready to end the war without achieving any military accomplishments necessary to protect 10 million Israeli citizens.

And let’s not ignore the irony: Netanyahu didn’t even want the right-wing flank of Smotrich and Ben-Gvir he ended up with in his government.

Netanyahu tried to form a unity government with center-left parties. But their hatred of Netanyahu, led them to boycott joining his government outright. Hence in Hebrew they are called the “only not Bibi” camp.

So who filled the gap to join the Netanyahu government? Smotrich and Ben-Gvir.

The two men the left and media elites love to demonize, their presence in the government instead of center-left parties, is the reason Netanyahu had the strength and political support to push through every sabotage attempt of the deep state establishment, and continue the fight into the final 25% of Gaza City, where Hamas still ruled unchallenged.

That is the breaking point today. That’s what is turning the tide. That’s what got Qatar and other Arab countries to pressure Hamas to accept Trump’s deal. That and the Israeli attack on Hamas leaders in Qatar.
And that’s when the real deal emerged: not some fantasy framework cooked up in Doha months ago, but a hard, no-concessions Trump-backed plan: all hostages out, Hamas defeated, no changes. Take it or leave it.
And even today, Hamas is saying no to Trump and trying to stop it
.

But this is key: we only got to a position strong enough with this deal to force Hamas and Qatar into saying “yes, but” (which means “no”) because Netanyahu didn’t listen to the establishment leaders in the military/security establishment who caused this mess in the first place.

Netanyahu didn’t break under foreign pressure. He didn’t collapse under the media’s psychological warfare. He didn’t take the easy political off-ramp like the generals-turned-politicians who now pretend they were on board with victory all along.

Netanyahu may have faults, and I’ve called them out before, but when it came to the question of who’s willing to win this war, the answer is crystal clear: Netanyahu has continued the fight to win this war, while the center-left politicians and security officials tried their best throughout the war, to stop it. He endured, while the so-called professionals tried to sabotage the war effort each and every day. He resisted, while the security elite panicked about going on the offense to save our lives.

And now, standing at the edge of possible victory, we can all see it clearly: the center-left political class, backed by a failing security bureaucracy, is not only incapable of preventing the next October 7, they’re the reason the first one happened.

They’ve been proven wrong at every step of this war. They were wrong to oppose a deep invasion in Gaza. Wrong to oppose the military offensive in Rafah. And wrong, dead wrong, to think we could make peace with a genocidal jihadist regime just a few kilometers from our children’s bedrooms.

So yes, God works in strange ways. Netanyahu, backed by ministers Smotrich and Ben-Gvir, who he didn’t even want, ignored the advice of the people everyone said he had to listen to, and because of that, Israel is in the strongest negotiating position it’s been in since October 7, with the Jewish state of Israel being in the strongest geopolitical position in our history, since Biblical times!

The deal may still collapse. Hamas may still run back to their tunnels. But we’ve never been this close. And it didn’t happen because of the leaders of the political left and Israel’s security “professionals.”

It happened in spite of them.

History will not be kind to those deep state officials in politics, the security establishment, the justice system and the mainstream media who tried to the this war and demoralize the nation every step of the way.
History will remember the leader who fought it, Netanyahu, the right-wing government that stood behind him, and the holy IDF soldiers who risked it all to win this war and highlight the power of the nation despite the weakness of the center-left military/security leaders.

We are winning this war and we will win this war! And we will overcome the deep state!!!

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #143 on: October 06, 2025, 08:24:59 pm »
It's good to remember just why Bibi is so tough when it comes to Palestinians.  Those low-life rat bastards killed his brother.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #144 on: October 06, 2025, 08:36:43 pm »
Isn't all of this still a proposal?  Wouldn't an actual agreement --- the kind that locks in the terms and processes for achieving those terms ---- require a document signed in understanding and acceptance by the US, Qatar, Israel, Hamas and a representative of the Arab coalition? 

Isn't this what's being worked for in Egypt?

Do you really think Hamas is going to sign some kind of agreement and keep it?  That's not reality.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #145 on: October 06, 2025, 10:50:42 pm »
I must once again emphasize the extraordinary and almost miraculous reality we find ourselves in today.

Regardless of whether Trump’s deal is good or bad, or even whether it comes to fruition, we cannot lose sight of the bigger picture. As a nation that was targeted for annihilation in a coordinated, Iranian-Qatari funded, genocidal attack on October 7th, our very existence today is something to be profoundly grateful for.

First, we can not kid ourselves: Hamas just rejected Trump’s deal, dressed up as a “yes, but,” but in Middle East speak, that’s a hard no.

The ultimatum was simple: Free all the hostages. End the war. No changes to the deal. Total surrender of Hamas. That’s what Trump’s deal is about. That’s what he got the Arab world to sign off on. And Hamas is playing games, again.

But here’s the real story: the only reason we’ve even reached this point, where Hamas and Qatar are being forced to respond to an ultimatum that looks like unconditional surrender, with freeing all of our hostages as step #1, is because Netanyahu stood alone.

Netanyahu stood against the entire senior Israeli security establishment, against the political center-left that led demoralization campaigns together with Israeli mainstream media from day one through today, and against an international diplomatic machine that’s been working overtime to cut this war short and hand Hamas a victory, all by making Israel look like it’s committing blood libelous war crimes.
From the very beginning, October 7th and every day since, the Israeli “deep state” has been trying to do what it always does: “manage” the conflict. Delay. Minimize. Everything but win to protect Israel from future massacres.

For heaven’s sake, some of the same generals and intelligence heads who were responsible for the decades of security policies that brought about the October 7 massacre, had the nerve to lead public campaigns in the media against the military offensives into Gaza.

The Lapid-Gantz-Eisenkot axis, and their allies in the military and intelligence hierarchy, were dead set on pulling the plug in March 2024, before the military offensive in Rafah, and before the military offensive to take the Philadelphi corridor, before we got anywhere near breaking Hamas’ control.

They were ready to end the war without achieving any military accomplishments necessary to protect 10 million Israeli citizens.

And let’s not ignore the irony: Netanyahu didn’t even want the right-wing flank of Smotrich and Ben-Gvir he ended up with in his government.

Netanyahu tried to form a unity government with center-left parties. But their hatred of Netanyahu, led them to boycott joining his government outright. Hence in Hebrew they are called the “only not Bibi” camp.

So who filled the gap to join the Netanyahu government? Smotrich and Ben-Gvir.

The two men the left and media elites love to demonize, their presence in the government instead of center-left parties, is the reason Netanyahu had the strength and political support to push through every sabotage attempt of the deep state establishment, and continue the fight into the final 25% of Gaza City, where Hamas still ruled unchallenged.

That is the breaking point today. That’s what is turning the tide. That’s what got Qatar and other Arab countries to pressure Hamas to accept Trump’s deal. That and the Israeli attack on Hamas leaders in Qatar.
And that’s when the real deal emerged: not some fantasy framework cooked up in Doha months ago, but a hard, no-concessions Trump-backed plan: all hostages out, Hamas defeated, no changes. Take it or leave it.
And even today, Hamas is saying no to Trump and trying to stop it.

But this is key: we only got to a position strong enough with this deal to force Hamas and Qatar into saying “yes, but” (which means “no”) because Netanyahu didn’t listen to the establishment leaders in the military/security establishment who caused this mess in the first place.

Netanyahu didn’t break under foreign pressure. He didn’t collapse under the media’s psychological warfare. He didn’t take the easy political off-ramp like the generals-turned-politicians who now pretend they were on board with victory all along.

Netanyahu may have faults, and I’ve called them out before, but when it came to the question of who’s willing to win this war, the answer is crystal clear: Netanyahu has continued the fight to win this war, while the center-left politicians and security officials tried their best throughout the war, to stop it. He endured, while the so-called professionals tried to sabotage the war effort each and every day. He resisted, while the security elite panicked about going on the offense to save our lives.


And now, standing at the edge of possible victory, we can all see it clearly: the center-left political class, backed by a failing security bureaucracy, is not only incapable of preventing the next October 7, they’re the reason the first one happened.

They’ve been proven wrong at every step of this war. They were wrong to oppose a deep invasion in Gaza. Wrong to oppose the military offensive in Rafah. And wrong, dead wrong, to think we could make peace with a genocidal jihadist regime just a few kilometers from our children’s bedrooms.

So yes, God works in strange ways. Netanyahu, backed by ministers Smotrich and Ben-Gvir, who he didn’t even want, ignored the advice of the people everyone said he had to listen to, and because of that, Israel is in the strongest negotiating position it’s been in since October 7, with the Jewish state of Israel being in the strongest geopolitical position in our history, since Biblical times!

The deal may still collapse. Hamas may still run back to their tunnels. But we’ve never been this close. And it didn’t happen because of the leaders of the political left and Israel’s security “professionals.”

It happened in spite of them.

History will not be kind to those deep state officials in politics, the security establishment, the justice system and the mainstream media who tried to the this war and demoralize the nation every step of the way.
History will remember the leader who fought it, Netanyahu, the right-wing government that stood behind him, and the holy IDF soldiers who risked it all to win this war and highlight the power of the nation despite the weakness of the center-left military/security leaders.

We are winning this war and we will win this war! And we will overcome the deep state!!!

Am Yisrael Chai!!!

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« Reply #146 on: October 07, 2025, 02:40:09 am »
Fantastic post, @DCPatriot !  Where did you find that?
Yes, @DCPatriot ! But this situation underscores what has been happening since Korea. Defeat has been snatched from the jaws of victory at many 'negotiating' table, conflict has been managed and perpetuated by the purveyors of endless war, regardless of who or where, to the benefit of those who make the tools thereof and reap personal wealth from the endless parade of flag covered and civilian caskets.
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« Reply #147 on: October 07, 2025, 03:20:59 am »
Fantastic post, @DCPatriot !  Where did you find that?

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« Reply #148 on: October 07, 2025, 09:39:05 am »
Yes, @DCPatriot ! But this situation underscores what has been happening since Korea China. Defeat has been snatched from the jaws of victory at many 'negotiating' table, conflict has been managed and perpetuated by the purveyors of endless war, regardless of who or where, to the benefit of those who make the tools thereof and reap personal wealth from the endless parade of flag covered and civilian caskets.
Hamas are just the foot soldiers of something far larger.

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« Reply #149 on: October 07, 2025, 10:27:27 am »
Still waiting for the hostages to be released.
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