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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #50 on: October 05, 2025, 01:49:34 pm »
Point being @Right_in_Virginia Hamas had agreed to release hostages before; they released only a few.  So yet waiting again for Hamas to release hostages.

You're waiting for Hamas and Israel to work out the mechanics of the agreed to hostage/prisoner swap @libertybele

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #51 on: October 05, 2025, 01:56:58 pm »
Once again, Hamas is blowing smoke up everyone’s a$$, and the antisemites are taking it as gospel truth.

So, now Trump's an "antisemite" @Kamaji  ??   :laugh:

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Trump said to tell PM in tense phone call after Hamas responded to Gaza deal: ‘You’re always so f*ing negative. This is a win.’
Times of Israel, Oct 5, 2025

US President Donald Trump told Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu not to be “so bleep negative” in a tense phone call on Friday, Axios reports.

The conversation took place shortly after Hamas announced that it had submitted its response, in which it welcomed parts of the US proposal, while hinting at resistance regarding other sections and insisting that additional negotiations were needed to finalize the terms.

According to a US official, Netanyahu told Trump the ambivalent Hamas response was “nothing to celebrate.”

“I don’t know why you’re always so bleep negative,” responded Trump, per the official. “This is a win. Take it.”

Trump expected Hamas to reject the plan, and was pleasantly surprised by the terror group’s response, says Axios.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-said-to-tell-pm-in-tense-phone-call-youre-always-so-fing-negative-this-is-a-win/

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #52 on: October 05, 2025, 03:21:52 pm »
The deal is the hostages are to be released tonight, not "we'll start talking about it tonight."
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #53 on: October 05, 2025, 04:15:44 pm »
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Hostage release talks imminent to kickstart Gaza peace deal
Sky News, Oct 5, 2025

Talks aimed at starting the process of releasing Israeli hostages look set to begin on Monday.

Egypt has agreed to host delegations from Israel and Hamas tomorrow. An Israeli delegation led by StrategicAffairs Minister Ron Dermer will attend the indirect negotiations in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh.

US envoy Steve Witkoff is also expected to join.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he hopes to announce the release of hostages being held in Gaza "in the coming days" and Hamas announced on Friday it would return all remaining hostages in Gaza, dead and alive.

The group also said in a statement that it wants to engage in negotiations to discuss further points in the US president's peace plan.


More:  https://news.sky.com/story/hostage-release-talks-imminent-to-kickstart-gaza-peace-deal-13445201.




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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #54 on: October 05, 2025, 04:24:46 pm »
You're waiting for Hamas and Israel to work out the mechanics of the agreed to hostage/prisoner swap @libertybele

No, I'm simply waiting for Hamas to make good on their agreement the first time around that the hostages were to be released.

Still waiting .... yet another negotiation = delay tactics.

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #55 on: October 05, 2025, 04:25:48 pm »


Talks and more talks -- just release the darn hostages that were supposed to be released the first round of 'talks'!

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #56 on: October 05, 2025, 04:32:04 pm »


Hamas delay bullshit. The war will be back in full swing by week's end when Trump and Bibi reach the same conclusion that this is just more of the same Hamas Hokey Pokey.   9999hair out0000
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #57 on: October 05, 2025, 04:35:20 pm »
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Witkoff, negotiators en route to Cairo as Hamas sends delegation for Gaza deal talks - report
Jerusalem Post, Oct 4, 2025

US Special Envoy to the Middle East Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner are expected to arrive in Cairo for talks on the deal to end the war in Gaza, a source familiar with the negotiations reported on Saturday.

Hamas negotiators are also expected to arrive in Cairo on Saturday night, according to Saudi outlet Al Arabiya.

An Israeli delegation will arrive on Sunday or Monday.

Officials believe that there is limited time to strike a deal, hence the rush to the negotiating table. “We are heading into a dramatic week," a senior Israeli official told Israeli media outlet N12.

The deal, as originally stated by US President Donald Trump, calls for the release of all hostages, living and deceased, within 72 hours of agreement.

However, N12 reported that Israel understands that the timetable for the hostages' release could be stretched out depending on the situation on the ground in Gaza.

One Hamas official told the AFP that Egypt will host an "intra-Palestinian dialogue on Palestinian unity and the future of Gaza, including the administration of the Gaza Strip."

"We are ready to begin negotiations immediately to finalize all issues," the anonymous Hamas official added.

Al Sharq reported that Israel will reportedly exchange 250 life prisoners and more than 1,700 prisoners who were arrested after the October 7 massacre.

N12 reported that Israeli security officials have already begun making a list of the prisoners who could be released as part of the hastened negotiations. Both sides are also preparing withdrawal maps.

The Israeli delegation is reportedly trying to speed up talks on the hostages, and wants to table discussions on an IDF withdrawal from Gaza, the meaning of the full ceasefire, and the names of the prisoners set to be released.


More: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-869371.

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2025, 04:38:23 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia

On the other thread you started, you posted depictions of American patriots in Philadelphia and Boston protesting against British rule in the 1770s, and you equated those depictions with a photo of a massive crowd of Palestinians celebrating 30 years of Hamas terror against the Jews.  What was your reason for deleting your post?
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2025, 04:48:20 pm »
Talks and more talks -- just release the darn hostages that were supposed to be released the first round of 'talks'!

Again @libertybele:  Israel changed the original proposal .... the one the President presented to the Arabs and they passed onto Hamas.  The negotiations this week are addressing these changes and *locking* everyone, including Israel, into a final agreement.  # One on the agenda is the logistics of the hostage and prisoner releases, including Israel's troop withdrawal.

Patience, woman, patience.  :laugh:

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #60 on: October 05, 2025, 04:52:10 pm »
Again @libertybele:  Israel changed the original proposal .... the one the President presented to the Arabs and they passed onto Hamas.  The negotiations this week are addressing these changes and *locking* everyone, including Israel, into a final agreement.  # One on the agenda is the logistics of the hostage and prisoner releases, including Israel's troop withdrawal.

Patience, woman, patience.  :laugh:

Patience?  Try telling that to the families that have loved ones that are Hamas hostages!!!  Especially since Hamas had agreed earlier to a hostage release.

Negotiations?  There is no negotiating with Hamas.  Trump knows it and and so does Bibi.

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #61 on: October 05, 2025, 05:02:39 pm »
Patience?  Try telling that to the families that have loved ones that are Hamas hostages!!!  Especially since Hamas had agreed earlier to a hostage release.

Negotiations?  There is no negotiating with Hamas.  Trump knows it and and so does Bibi.

@libertybele  ---

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Trump said to tell PM in tense phone call after Hamas responded to Gaza deal: ‘You’re always so f*ing negative. This is a win.’
Times of Israel, Oct 5, 2025

US President Donald Trump told Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu not to be “so bleep negative” in a tense phone call on Friday, Axios reports.

The conversation took place shortly after Hamas announced that it had submitted its response, in which it welcomed parts of the US proposal, while hinting at resistance regarding other sections and insisting that additional negotiations were needed to finalize the terms.

According to a US official, Netanyahu told Trump the ambivalent Hamas response was “nothing to celebrate.”

“I don’t know why you’re always so bleep negative,” responded Trump, per the official. “This is a win. Take it.”

Trump expected Hamas to reject the plan, and was pleasantly surprised by the terror group’s response, says Axios.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-said-to-tell-pm-in-tense-phone-call-youre-always-so-fing-negative-this-is-a-win/

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #62 on: October 05, 2025, 05:07:28 pm »
Victory is the return of all the hostages, unconditional surrender of Hamas, and Hamas relinquishing control of Gaza to an internation coalition that is not the United Nations and does not include Iran.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #63 on: October 05, 2025, 05:21:26 pm »
Victory is the return of all the hostages, unconditional surrender of Hamas, and Hamas relinquishing control of Gaza to an internation coalition that is not the United Nations and does not include Iran.

Wishful thinking. Hamas will never surrender nor will they relinquish control of Gaza.  They may say that they are going too, but their word is meaningless.

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #64 on: October 05, 2025, 05:34:16 pm »
It's Monday morning in both Israel and the Gaza Strip.  Have the hostages been released?
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #65 on: October 05, 2025, 05:35:00 pm »
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Rubio Says U.S. Wants Quick Deal to Bring Gaza Hostages Home
NY Times, Oct 5, 2025

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Sunday that the U.S. was hoping for a quick deal to bring home all hostages in Gaza as Israel and Hamas headed into a new round of negotiations fraught with potential stumbling blocks.

Mr. Rubio, speaking to NBC’s “Meet the Press,” acknowledged that the next phase of negotiations on President Trump’s plan to end the Gaza war would be tougher, touching on fraught issues such as disarming Hamas and setting up a new government for Gaza that excludes the Palestinian militant group.

Asked whether the two-year-old war was over, Mr. Rubio responded: “Well not yet. There’s some work that remains to be done.” He went on to say that Hamas had “agreed to the president’s hostage release framework.”

Mr. Rubio spoke a day before a new round of indirect negotiations between Israel and Hamas was expected to begin in Egypt. Israel and Hamas do not speak directly, instead relying on Qatari and Egyptian mediators to act as go-betweens, ferrying messages back and forth.

Ron Dermer, a close aide to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, will lead Israel’s delegation. On Sunday night, Hamas said its negotiators — headed by the senior leader Khalil al-Hayya — had arrived in Egypt for the talks.

The discussions in Egypt are expected to focus on swapping the remaining hostages held in Gaza for Palestinian prisoners and an Israeli pullback from parts of Gaza. Mr. Rubio suggested that this focus would leave until later negotiations on other formidable obstacles.


More:  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/05/world/middleeast/trump-israel-hamas-gaza.html.

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #66 on: October 05, 2025, 05:36:12 pm »
Then, Hamas has chosen to be eliminated.

Wishful thinking. Hamas will never surrender nor will they relinquish control of Gaza.  They may say that they are going too, but their word is meaningless.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #67 on: October 05, 2025, 05:43:47 pm »
Victory is the return of all the hostages, unconditional surrender of Hamas, and Hamas relinquishing control of Gaza to an internation coalition that is not the United Nations and does not include Iran.

Other potential stumbling blocks ----

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16. Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza. As the ISF establishes control and stability, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will withdraw based on standards, milestones, and timeframes linked to demilitarization that will be agreed upon between the IDF, ISF, the guarantors, and the United States, with the objective of a secure Gaza that no longer poses a threat to Israel, Egypt, or its citizens. Practically, the IDF will progressively hand over the Gaza territory it occupies to the ISF according to an agreement they will make with the transitional authority until they are withdrawn completely from Gaza, save for a security perimeter presence that will remain until Gaza is properly secure from any resurgent terror threat.

19. While Gaza re-development advances and when the PA reform programme is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognise as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.


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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #68 on: October 05, 2025, 05:45:57 pm »
It's Monday morning in both Israel and the Gaza Strip.  Have the hostages been released?

No.  Hamas is jerking everything around again, and the Israel haters are lapping it up as if it's some kind of victory.   The shooting will be back on inside of a week.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #69 on: October 05, 2025, 05:58:11 pm »
Again @libertybele:  Israel changed the original proposal .... the one the President presented to the Arabs and they passed onto Hamas.

BS.  The proposal today is the same one that was passed on to Hamas.
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« Reply #70 on: October 05, 2025, 06:02:18 pm »
Other potential stumbling blocks ----

Here are the deal-breakers for your beloved Hamas:

1.  Gaza will be a de-radicalized, terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbors.

3.  If Israel and Hamas agree to the proposal, the war will immediately end, with the IDF halting all operations and gradually withdrawing from the Strip.

4.  Within 48 hours of Israel publicly accepting the deal, all living and deceased hostages will be returned.

6.  Once the hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful coexistence will be granted amnesty, while members who wish to leave the Strip will be granted safe passage to receiving countries.

9.  Gaza will be administered by a temporary, transitional government of Palestinian technocrats who will be responsible for providing day-to-day services for the people of the Strip.

17.  If Hamas delays or rejects this proposal,  .  .  .

20. When Gaza’s redevelopment has been advanced and the PA reform program has been implemented, the conditions may be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian statehood, which is recognized as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.
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« Reply #71 on: October 05, 2025, 06:02:58 pm »
No.  Hamas is jerking everything around again, and the Israel haters are lapping it up as if it's some kind of victory.

Yep.  As demonstrated on this very thread.
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« Reply #72 on: October 05, 2025, 06:04:04 pm »
There are millions of Israel supporters who aren't afraid to understand the proposal now on the table and root for its success and an end to this 58 year war ---  President Trump among them.

There are still other Israel supporters frustrated they'll have to wait a few days for the blood to flow again, Prime Minister Netanyahu among this group.

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« Reply #73 on: October 05, 2025, 06:04:22 pm »
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On the other thread you started, you posted depictions of American patriots in Philadelphia and Boston protesting against British rule in the 1770s, and you equated those depictions with a photo of a massive crowd of Palestinians celebrating 30 years of Hamas terror against the Jews.  What was your reason for deleting your post?  Did you feel awkward showing everyone else here how you really feel about Hamas?
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« Reply #74 on: October 05, 2025, 06:05:35 pm »
There are millions of Israel supporters who aren't afraid to understand the proposal now on the table and root for its success and an end to this 58 year war ---  President Trump among them.

You do realize that Trump's proposal allows Israel to kill every last member of Hamas if they don't agree to this, right?
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« Reply #75 on: October 05, 2025, 06:06:22 pm »
Oh darn, she left.  Again.
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« Reply #76 on: October 05, 2025, 06:17:57 pm »
You do realize that Trump's proposal allows Israel to kill every last member of Hamas if they don't agree to this, right?

Hamas will drag their feet and release a few corpses to stall and drag things out.  Even at that, should they not do so, the 'world community' will do everything they can to stop Bibi.

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« Reply #77 on: October 05, 2025, 06:30:51 pm »
Hamas will drag their feet and release a few corpses to stall and drag things out.  Even at that, should they not do so, the 'world community' will do everything they can to stop Bibi.

I'm going by what Trump said:

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu agreed to the deal on Monday. Earlier Friday, Mr. Trump gave Hamas until Sunday evening to accept the deal, or "all HELL, like no one has ever seen before, will break out against Hamas."  .  .  .

.  .  .  Netanyahu, who joined Mr. Trump for a joint news conference at the White House when the 20-point proposal was announced, had said he supports the plan, and that if Hamas does not accept the offer, "Israel will finish the job by itself."

"We're giving everybody a chance to have this done peacefully," Netanyahu had said, warning Hamas what would happen if they didn't agree to the proposal. "But if Hamas rejects your plan, Mr. President, or if they supposedly accept it and then basically do everything to counter it, then Israel will finish the job by itself. This can be done the easy way or it can be done the hard way, but it will be done."

The president told Netanyahu Monday that if Hamas were to reject the proposal, "you'd have our full backing to do what you would have to do."  .  .  .

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #78 on: October 05, 2025, 06:36:40 pm »
I'm going by what Trump said:

We'll see... the clock is ticking for Hamas .....

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #79 on: October 05, 2025, 06:38:22 pm »
No.  Hamas is jerking everything around again, and the Israel haters are lapping it up as if it's some kind of victory.   The shooting will be back on inside of a week.

Based on the history of Hamas, that's the most likely outcome for sure.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #80 on: October 05, 2025, 06:57:21 pm »
The deadline time has come and gone...Trump should have had jets in the air and dropping bombs 1 min past their dead line...that's all they understand...maybe he will surprise us... :shrug:
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #81 on: October 05, 2025, 07:11:43 pm »
The deadline time has come and gone...Trump should have had jets in the air and dropping bombs 1 min past their dead line...that's all they understand...maybe he will surprise us... :shrug:

The clock's not ticking yet ... Trump's still bolding out hope @mystery-ak

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Trump said to tell PM in tense phone call after Hamas responded to Gaza deal: ‘You’re always so f*ing negative. This is a win.’
Times of Israel, Oct 5, 2025

US President Donald Trump told Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu not to be “so bleep negative” in a tense phone call on Friday, Axios reports.

The conversation took place shortly after Hamas announced that it had submitted its response, in which it welcomed parts of the US proposal, while hinting at resistance regarding other sections and insisting that additional negotiations were needed to finalize the terms.

According to a US official, Netanyahu told Trump the ambivalent Hamas response was “nothing to celebrate.”

“I don’t know why you’re always so bleep negative,” responded Trump, per the official. “This is a win. Take it.”

Trump expected Hamas to reject the plan, and was pleasantly surprised by the terror group’s response, says Axios.

A US official says it was a somewhat combative conversation and that Trump was irked, but that they finally reached an agreement. “Ultimately, President Trump wants peace, and that’s what matters most. The administration is already working closely with Israel to accomplish that,” says a US official.

An Israeli official tells the outlet that Netanyahu said in private meetings on Friday that he sees Hamas’s response as a rejection of the Trump plan, and that he wanted to fight the idea that Hamas had accepted the proposal.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-said-to-tell-pm-in-tense-phone-call-youre-always-so-fing-negative-this-is-a-win/

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #82 on: October 05, 2025, 07:17:23 pm »
The deadline time has come and gone...Trump should have had jets in the air and dropping bombs 1 min past their dead line...that's all they understand...maybe he will surprise us... :shrug:

It appears the clock starts or stops based on these negotiations @mystery-ak

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Rubio Says U.S. Wants Quick Deal to Bring Gaza Hostages Home
NY Times, Oct 5, 2025

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Sunday that the U.S. was hoping for a quick deal to bring home all hostages in Gaza as Israel and Hamas headed into a new round of negotiations fraught with potential stumbling blocks.

Mr. Rubio, speaking to NBC’s “Meet the Press,” acknowledged that the next phase of negotiations on President Trump’s plan to end the Gaza war would be tougher, touching on fraught issues such as disarming Hamas and setting up a new government for Gaza that excludes the Palestinian militant group.

Asked whether the two-year-old war was over, Mr. Rubio responded: “Well not yet. There’s some work that remains to be done.” He went on to say that Hamas had “agreed to the president’s hostage release framework.”

Mr. Rubio spoke a day before a new round of indirect negotiations between Israel and Hamas was expected to begin in Egypt. Israel and Hamas do not speak directly, instead relying on Qatari and Egyptian mediators to act as go-betweens, ferrying messages back and forth.

Ron Dermer, a close aide to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, will lead Israel’s delegation. On Sunday night, Hamas said its negotiators — headed by the senior leader Khalil al-Hayya — had arrived in Egypt for the talks.

The discussions in Egypt are expected to focus on swapping the remaining hostages held in Gaza for Palestinian prisoners and an Israeli pullback from parts of Gaza. Mr. Rubio suggested that this focus would leave until later negotiations on other formidable obstacles.


More:  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/05/world/middleeast/trump-israel-hamas-gaza.html.

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #83 on: October 05, 2025, 07:18:45 pm »
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #84 on: October 05, 2025, 07:20:26 pm »
The deadline time has come and gone...Trump should have had jets in the air and dropping bombs 1 min past their dead line...that's all they understand...maybe he will surprise us... :shrug:

IMO, for the most part, Hamas has morphed into heavily-armed neighborhood gangs.

It was logistically impossible to get unanimous agreement with 20 field cells who have claimed to hold hostages and human remains.





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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #85 on: October 05, 2025, 07:32:51 pm »
The deadline time has come and gone...Trump should have had jets in the air and dropping bombs 1 min past their dead line...that's all they understand...maybe he will surprise us... :shrug:

Trump's deadlines are meaningless bluster.  Have the Russians stopped attacking Ukraine yet after his last deadline to Putin?  Where are those new sanctions Trump promised?

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Mr. Rubio spoke a day before a new round of indirect negotiations between Israel and Hamas was expected to begin in Egypt.

But wasn't Trump's 21-point "deal" a take it or leave it offer?  But yet, here we are playing the Hamas Hokey-Pokey again, with yet MORE talks and negotiations.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #86 on: October 05, 2025, 07:40:03 pm »
Well... We'll see if it is like the Iranian deadline or a bluff. The Iranian deadline was clear with the responses timing being fuzzy making it a surprise when it was done.

I don't know if it is possible to surprise Hamas short of actually following through with the threat which they probably don't believe considering we've been all talk there for decades.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #87 on: October 05, 2025, 07:57:47 pm »
The deadline time has come and gone...Trump should have had jets in the air and dropping bombs 1 min past their dead line...that's all they understand...maybe he will surprise us... :shrug:
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #88 on: October 05, 2025, 08:16:54 pm »
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We will have PEACE in the Middle East one way or the other. The violence and bloodshed will stop. RELEASES THE HOSTAGES, ALL OF THEM, INCLUDING THE BODIES OF THOSE THAT ARE DEAD, NOW! An Agreement must be reached with Hamas by Sunday Evening at SIX (6) P.M., Washington, D.C. time. Every Country has signed on! If this LAST CHANCE agreement is not reached, all HELL, like no one has ever seen before, will break out against Hamas.

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Trump warns of 'massive bloodshed' if Hamas fails to agree to peace deal: 'MOVE FAST'
Trump posted an urgent message on Truth Social minutes before Hamas deadline
By Andrea Margolis Fox News
Published October 5, 2025 6:36pm EDT | Updated October 5, 2025 7:14pm EDT

President Donald Trump made a social media post about Hamas on Sunday evening, minutes before the deadline for a peace proposal passed.

The deadline was 6 p.m. ET Sunday. In a message on Truth Social, Trump wrote that there had been "very positive discussions with Hamas, and Countries from all over the World (Arab, Muslim, and everyone else) this weekend, to release the Hostages, end the War in Gaza but, more importantly, finally have long sought PEACE in the Middle East."

"These talks have been very successful, and proceeding rapidly," Trump said. "The technical teams will again meet Monday, in Egypt, to work through and clarify the final details."

Speaking to reporters on Sunday evening, Trump affirmed that the meetings were positive after he wrote that the first phase of the peace plan "should be completed this week."

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-warns-massive-bloodshed-hamas-fails-agree-peace-deal-move-fast
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #89 on: October 05, 2025, 08:31:46 pm »
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Trump warns of 'massive bloodshed' if Hamas fails to agree to peace deal: 'MOVE FAST'
Trump posted an urgent message on Truth Social minutes before Hamas deadline
By Andrea Margolis Fox News
Published October 5, 2025 6:36pm EDT | Updated October 5, 2025 7:14pm EDT

President Donald Trump made a social media post about Hamas on Sunday evening, minutes before the deadline for a peace proposal passed.

The deadline was 6 p.m. ET Sunday. In a message on Truth Social, Trump wrote that there had been "very positive discussions with Hamas, and Countries from all over the World (Arab, Muslim, and everyone else) this weekend, to release the Hostages, end the War in Gaza but, more importantly, finally have long sought PEACE in the Middle East."

"These talks have been very successful, and proceeding rapidly," Trump said. "The technical teams will again meet Monday, in Egypt, to work through and clarify the final details."

Speaking to reporters on Sunday evening, Trump affirmed that the meetings were positive after he wrote that the first phase of the peace plan "should be completed this week."

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-warns-massive-bloodshed-hamas-fails-agree-peace-deal-move-fast

This seems to be a repeat of the past talks....blah...blah.....blah

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #90 on: October 05, 2025, 08:32:32 pm »

"These talks have been very successful, and proceeding rapidly," Trump said. "The technical teams will again meet Monday, in Egypt, to work through and clarify the final details."

Speaking to reporters on Sunday evening, Trump affirmed that the meetings were positive after he wrote that the first phase of the peace plan "should be completed this week."


Trump playing the Hamas Hokey Pokey...what else is new...his deadlines are a joke.  And what's this nonsense about "phases."  Wasn't it take it or leave with his 21-point ultimatum?

I think that Witkoff and Kushner are feeding him complete BS.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #91 on: October 05, 2025, 10:17:14 pm »
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Trump peace plan will not be implemented until all hostages in Israel, Netanyahu tells Gvura Forum
Jerusalem Post, Oct 5, 2025

No part of US President Donald Trump’s peace plan will be enacted until all 48 hostages are returned to Israeli territory, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said during a meeting with The Gvura Families of the Fallen Forum on Sunday.

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3. If both sides agree to this proposal, the war will immediately end. Israeli forces will withdraw to the agreed upon line to prepare for a hostage release. During this time, all military operations, including aerial and artillery bombardment, will be suspended, and battle lines will remain frozen until conditions are met for the complete staged withdrawal.

Additionally, Netanyahu stated that if the hostages are not released by Trump’s deadline, "Israel will resume fighting with full backing from all involved countries."  Currently, there is no set deadline for the hostage release, although negotiations to finalize the plan are set to begin in Cairo on Monday.

Netanyahu also confirmed that Israel will be responsible and involved in overseeing the disarmament in the Gaza Strip and no representative of Hamas or the Palestinian Authority will be involved in controlling the Strip after the war.

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13. Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza, directly, indirectly, or in any form. All military, terror, and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt. There will be a process of demilitarisation of Gaza under the supervision of independent monitors, which will include placing weapons permanently beyond use through an agreed process of decommissioning, and supported by an internationally funded buy back and reintegration programme all verified by the independent monitors.

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9. Gaza will be governed under the temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee, responsible for delivering the day-to-day running of public services and municipalities for the people in Gaza. This committee will be made up of qualified Palestinians and international experts, with oversight and supervision by a new international transitional body, the "Board of Peace," which will be headed and chaired by President Donald J. Trump, with other members and heads of state to be announced, including Former Prime Minister Tony Blair. This body will set the framework and handle the funding for the redevelopment of Gaza until such time as the Palestinian Authority has completed its reform programme, as outlined in various proposals, including President Trump's peace plan in 2020 and the Saudi-French proposal, and can securely and effectively take back control of Gaza.



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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #92 on: October 05, 2025, 10:40:17 pm »
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3. If both sides agree to this proposal . . .

Hamas doesn't agree to this proposal.


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13. Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza  .  .  .

Hamas hasn't agreed to that.  They haven't agreed to points 1, 4, 6, or 9 either.  But then you knew that already.  Yet you continue to bolster Hamas by making Netanyahu out to be the bad guy.
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« Reply #93 on: October 05, 2025, 10:42:02 pm »
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Again, on the other thread you started, you posted depictions of American patriots in Philadelphia and Boston protesting against British rule in the 1770s, and you equated those depictions with a photo of a massive crowd of Palestinians celebrating 30 years of Hamas terror against the Jews.  What was your reason for subsequently deleting your post?
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« Reply #94 on: October 05, 2025, 10:42:45 pm »
Oh darn, she left.  Again.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #95 on: October 05, 2025, 10:44:01 pm »
Trump playing the Hamas Hokey Pokey...what else is new...his deadlines are a joke.  And what's this nonsense about "phases."  Wasn't it take it or leave with his 21-point ultimatum?

I think that Witkoff and Kushner are feeding him complete BS.

If people aren't shooting other people we can wait a few days but if Hamas slow walks more that it will be time to light them up again.  Oh, well!   ****slapping
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
« Reply #96 on: October 05, 2025, 10:48:27 pm »
Here is Trump's statement again:


"An Agreement must be reached with Hamas by Sunday Evening at SIX (6) P.M., Washington, D.C. time.  Every Country has signed on!  If this last chance agreement is not reached, all hell, like no one has ever seen before, will break out against Hamas.  There will be peace in the Middle East one way or the other."


Did Trump mean what he said?
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« Reply #97 on: October 05, 2025, 10:50:28 pm »
Here is Trump's statement again:


"An Agreement must be reached with Hamas by Sunday Evening at SIX (6) P.M., Washington, D.C. time.  Every Country has signed on!  If this last chance agreement is not reached, all hell, like no one has ever seen before, will break out against Hamas.  There will be peace in the Middle East one way or the other."


Did Trump mean what he said?

Search me.   :shrug:
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas
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I would not want to be Hamas ... in this poker game

Did Trump mean what he said?
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Another view:


https://twitter.com/sxdoc/status/1974964933172588947

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The Arab world is already on board. Qatar, Turkey, Egypt—nations that once served as pillars of support for Hamas—have now endorsed the plan. The message is clear: if Hamas rejects it, it will be defying not only Trump but also its former allies. Isolation, illegitimacy, and exposure will be its only outcome.

That is the genius of the trap. Trump has not merely drafted a plan; he has forged a broad and unprecedented coalition in which every move Hamas makes results in loss. A “yes” would strip Hamas of its weapons, its power, and its murderous ideology. A “no” would leave it abandoned, ostracized even by the Arab world, and stripped of regional backing.

For Israel, this presents a rare opportunity. Hostages would be released within 72 hours. Israel would retain security control over northern Gaza and the Philadelphi Corridor, with only a gradual withdrawal to follow. Even the ambiguous clauses cannot hide the fact: this plan unmistakably advances Israeli interests.

Yet the greater achievement lies in the wider context. With Jared Kushner’s help, Trump embedded into the plan a vague reference to a future Palestinian entity—exactly what Saudi Arabia demanded. This is the key to expanding the Abraham Accords. The proposal is not just about Gaza; it is about reshaping the Middle East.

Now all eyes turn to Hamas. A rejection will grant Israel international legitimacy and full backing to continue its campaign. An acceptance will dismantle Hamas from within. Either way, the trap is set.

Trump has not offered peace. He has offered a test. And Hamas, it seems, is destined to fail it.

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