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« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2026, 02:34:44 pm »
How do you square science and religion? I believe in both in parts, but sometimes they conflict.

I don't put very much faith in science. I think what we don't know completely outweighs what we think we do know, to the point of negation. Science is comparable to a two year old playing around in his daddy's shop.

The thing with the most distance, really the thing we have to compare with, is only written history... What has come before. I will always give that more weight than science.

Science comes and goes... First, they tell us to use margarine, because butter is bad for you... Nearly fifty years later, margarine is cancer causing, and you should use butter.

How do you continue to lend that credence?

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« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2026, 02:46:05 pm »
There is a pure thing called religion, that no one can practice.

There is also a pure thing called science, that no one can practice.

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« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2026, 02:52:29 pm »
I don't put very much faith in science. I think what we don't know completely outweighs what we think we do know, to the point of negation. Science is comparable to a two year old playing around in his daddy's shop.

The thing with the most distance, really the thing we have to compare with, is only written history... What has come before. I will always give that more weight than science.

Science comes and goes... First, they tell us to use margarine, because butter is bad for you... Nearly fifty years later, margarine is cancer causing, and you should use butter.

How do you continue to lend that credence?

Hard science yes. Politicized/pop science, no.

On the other hand there's wisdom and beauty in religion, and also historically there corruption and hypocrisy and ignorance. Christianity is a beautiful religion, and i only came into it through my love of Roman history despite theoretically being a christian.

The two occupy space in my mind at the same time and there is a conflict there.

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« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2026, 02:53:56 pm »
There is a pure thing called religion, that no one can practice.

There is also a pure thing called science, that no one can practice.

We practice science very day. We are able to survive diseases we once could not because of science.

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« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2026, 03:08:36 pm »
I look at science this way.  You can take 12 physical constants of nature (e.g. Planck's constant, Boltzmann's constant, the loss of mass from hydrogen fusion to helium, etc.) and you can represent them as dials on a biosphere called 'the universe'.  If you turn any of the twelve dials and change adjust the value of a number by 1%, the universe as we know it ceases to exist.

It took an absolute Genius to come up with those numbers.
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« Reply #55 on: February 15, 2026, 07:28:40 pm »
We practice science very day. We are able to survive diseases we once could not because of science.

It also brought us new diseases that would otherwise never have been, that killed many (COVID). WAR is its sugar daddy - tech is driven from there. How many have been used up that way?

Here is where I am: If you know your Bible, you will understand what I am saying.... I think we are, right now, in the middle of the great end times deception. I think the explosion of knowledge following steam, and preceding two world wars marked that beginning.

I think that deception is almost complete - with many people so separated from Yah's creation that they can be lead another way.

A driver in that action is known as science. But science has busied itself reinforcing the precepts of that deception, perhaps even inventing much of it, and furthering that separation from Yah's creation.

Remember, that deception looks good to Man.

And some of it DOES look good. That is the nature of deception.

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« Reply #56 on: February 15, 2026, 07:38:34 pm »
It also brought us new diseases that would otherwise never have been, that killed many (COVID). WAR is its sugar daddy - tech is driven from there. How many have been used up that way?

Here is where I am: If you know your Bible, you will understand what I am saying.... I think we are, right now, in the middle of the great end times deception. I think the explosion of knowledge following steam, and preceding two world wars marked that beginning.

I think that deception is almost complete - with many people so separated from Yah's creation that they can be lead another way.

A driver in that action is known as science. But science has busied itself reinforcing the precepts of that deception, perhaps even inventing much of it, and furthering that separation from Yah's creation.

Remember, that deception looks good to Man.

And some of it DOES look good. That is the nature of deception.

I feel like a lot of people like to poo poo science (or be off the grid), but if they get chest pain in the middle of the night, get sick, they'll be glad it exists. Or people with diabetes (esp. type 1). Or cancers, infections, etc. Or shit, even what we're on now, we can connect through technology.

Of course science can be used for evil no doubt, but so can religion of course!

Is science the end all be all? Of course not.

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« Reply #57 on: February 15, 2026, 07:38:54 pm »
Hard science yes. Politicized/pop science, no.

On the other hand there's wisdom and beauty in religion, and also historically there corruption and hypocrisy and ignorance. Christianity is a beautiful religion, and i only came into it through my love of Roman history despite theoretically being a christian.

The two occupy space in my mind at the same time and there is a conflict there.

As I said - Neither.

I seek relationship with Yahweh. Not religion. The practice of religion is not the same thing.

Within that relationship I have a great, Newtonian love of knowledge. Of science, as it were. But that is different than the science, so called.

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« Reply #58 on: February 15, 2026, 07:59:21 pm »
I feel like a lot of people like to poo poo science (or be off the grid), but if they get chest pain in the middle of the night, get sick, they'll be glad it exists. Or people with diabetes (esp. type 1). Or cancers, infections, etc. Or shit, even what we're on now, we can connect through technology.


Sure. And I am a perfect example of that. I would be dead right now, if not for modern medicine.  My mother, my father, my elder sister, my daughter (as an infant), my second son (as a young lad) - all of these would have been dead long ago without science.

But that's the hook. And you don't know what would be there otherwise. Maybe something better. But the drive to live is great. The drive to preserve and protect even greater.

Perhaps I should have had the strength to pull the plug when I was lying at death's door. That is a weakness in me, I suppose. But here I am. It feels more like a way I was thrown into from inside here. But here I am, even so.

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Of course science can be used for evil no doubt, but so can religion of course!


Sure. And both are already horribly corrupted.
And that is why I reject them both. Neither is true, so I will follow precepts, I will build principle things, from neither one.


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« Reply #59 on: February 15, 2026, 08:04:00 pm »
I still find myself saying "it's in God's hands now" with a lot of things... because frankly, that's the truth. There's still a completely unpredictable side to life that is unknowable. Or I like to say "the universe has sent me a message".

I hold two conflicting viewpoint simultaneously.

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« Reply #60 on: February 15, 2026, 08:10:54 pm »
I still find myself saying "it's in God's hands now" with a lot of things... because frankly, that's the truth. There's still a completely unpredictable side to life that is unknowable. Or I like to say "the universe has sent me a message".

I hold two conflicting viewpoint simultaneously.

Yah says you're an idiot (almost literally) if you cannot see his handiwork in his creation...

Ergo, if you see the two in conflict, then something is wrong. And therein, the dilemma. True science should be bountiful in its proofs of God. Science, so called, works against him. Actively. Denying and obfuscating those proofs.

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« Reply #61 on: February 15, 2026, 08:18:26 pm »
Yah says you're an idiot (almost literally) if you cannot see his handiwork in his creation...

Ergo, if you see the two in conflict, then something is wrong. And therein, the dilemma. True science should be bountiful in its proofs of God. Science, so called, works against him. Actively. Denying and obfuscating those proofs.

I can accept that i'm an idiot even, frankly. I do see evidence of God in the world, without a doubt. Just that science conflicts with a lot of stuff in the Bible is all.

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« Reply #62 on: February 15, 2026, 08:29:47 pm »
I can accept that i'm an idiot even, frankly. I do see evidence of God in the world, without a doubt. Just that science conflicts with a lot of stuff in the Bible is all.

I see little that conflicts. But then I rely more on history than science. For example, if every culture on the planet says there was a flood - Having a very similar flood myth, all - well, then I will believe that flood happened. And that science is mistaken. And sure enough, with the fall of Darwinism, the need for Uniformitarianism is losing ground and catastrophism is slowly proving true. And in that, the flood is coming.

Adjacent to that, it makes me laugh out loud to watch these mad hatters trying to preserve their theories in the face of real flesh and real blood found in dinosaur fossils... Fossils that, btw, are almost always found in the position of a death by drowning - There's that flood again...


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« Reply #63 on: February 15, 2026, 11:03:06 pm »
I can accept that i'm an idiot even, frankly. I do see evidence of God in the world, without a doubt. Just that science conflicts with a lot of stuff in the Bible is all.

Can you provide an example?
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Can you provide an example?

Well right to the top, for me, is the age of the world, etc. Basically the whole of genesis, heh.

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« Reply #65 on: Today at 11:33:23 am »
Science is the impartial observation and measurement of natural forces.

Using someone's alleged scientific credentials to futher a political view point is not science, it's politics.  Same thing with economists.

Science neither agrees nor disagrees with Global Climate Change because there is insufficient data to reach a proven and repeatable conclusion.

Global Climate Change is not a scientific disagreement, it's a political one.
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If covid wasn't the perfect example of bastardized 'science', I don't know what is. Most of what they said was wrong, alot of it was just made up propaganda to dictate control over the population.
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« Reply #67 on: Today at 12:45:39 pm »
If covid wasn't the perfect example of bastardized 'science', I don't know what is. Most of what they said was wrong, alot of it was just made up propaganda to dictate control over the population.
Keep in mind that while there was some science involved in developing and using the technology to manufacture COVID, the political elements in that story overwhelm the rest shortly after the virus was created. From there, keeping funding going, developing it as a weapon, and its timely release to interfere with our economy and open the floodgates of electoral fraud are all political/pecuniary in nature. How many billions were spent on useless masks? How many small businesses (often right-leaning folks) were destroyed by lockdowns? The oil drilling industry collapsed (also strongly conservative). All of this was done to crash the Trump economy just before --the election, and even that was not enough--they had to cheat. For those who sought this, a few million deaths were a small price to pay.

But that isn't science, no matter what claims it made. It is the diabolical exploitation of technology for evil ends.

I went into Geology, because of all the disciplines, it interrelated strongly with the others: Chemistry, Physics, and Biology, and attempted to explain the events that took place in the shaping of this (and other) planets. I did not do so to the exclusion of The Almighty, but rather as a study of His handiwork.
 
All our suppositions made from data are, in fact, just that. Evolution, as a theory going back into the deep past, has more holes in it than a colander, simply because of the absence of transitional forms, and the unlikely necessity for quantum leaps across multiple biological (physiological and anatomic) aspects at once. Even one such change would be unlikely, but multiple simultaneous developments in just the shift from unicellular organisms to multicellular organisms is a stretch.

If I had to mark the time when the age of inquiry became polluted with politics melded with science to produce entire zeitgeists, it would be between Newton and Darwin, the latter used to justify political positions and the idea of linear development in humans and society.

The Flood was a reset, just as the asteroid which wiped out the majority of the fauna present in the Cretaceous, just as the Permian Extinction (still not well understood what did that), and likely others. In the last 40 million years (using commonly accepted time scales) several megafaunal assemblages have been wiped out--known only by fossilized remains.

The bottom line is that God can do what He wants, how He wants to do it, and we're just left guessing at the what, exactly, and when, by the scattered remnants we find. Intentionally, I believe, creation is, like The Creator, too vast to fully comprehend. It's like trying to understand a skyscraper from the construction debris, without ever getting a complete look at the finished product because it is simply too vast.

There are aspects of science which have been discovered and quantified. Which, simply, are.

The interpretations can be the province of scallywags and charlatans, and those who gladly seize upon those and distort their meaning for personal gain will be relentless, but they aren't searching for answers, they have theirs in hand and are using them to usurp power and get rich. They quit looking when they found what they wanted, and stopped searching for the whole truth.

Not saying some interpretations aren't useful, but there is a profit motive behind that more often than not, whether it be locating oil or ore bodies, or other resources, or even trying to build on a solid foundation. But when science is used as a poster child for politics, it immediately becomes suspect.
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« Reply #68 on: Today at 01:37:59 pm »
Well right to the top, for me, is the age of the world, etc. Basically the whole of genesis, heh.

How many years passed from the moment Adam became an immortal spirit being until the moment he became a mortal natural being and was kicked out of the Garden?  And how can you assume that 'first day', 'second day', etc., to G-d is the same length as yours (which is based on the rotation of earth here and now)?  Seriously, I am interested in seeing where the Bible contradicts science.
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No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.