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I take a very strong offense to that, @Weird Tolkienish Figure  After all these years, it's not right!  Shame on you!

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This country has dealt with sensitive and classified materials before.  Get this list, or whatever tally there is to Congress, and let us know who the slimeballs  are so we can purge this "elite class pedophile" club out once and for all.  Hell, let's open a second wing at Alligator Alcatraz to let them finish their lives if guilty.

Clinton, Gore, Gates, Hollywood, whoever, ......   even Trump if he is guilty.  I don't care....   finish this, and let the country move on,
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Yeah....   @DCPatriot was thinking (alluding) that the Epstein Girls were more 17-ish jail bait, than little girls.  Both are wrong and illegal,.......  But molesting the 12/13 y.o.'s is just 10 levels more beyond  despicable.

I think you were over the top with that accusation.  Just my opinion.
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Now THAT is interesting. So let her present the list to somebody in Congress then we'll go from there. If people committed a crime (certainly this magnitude of crime), they should do time, as always.

See, now that's the tricky bit, because Congress doesn't want her to present the list... Because if the list is presented it is read into the Congressional record,which is a public record. Evidently that's bad for them in some way.  :whistle:

And the weird part is, and I ask this question again here:

If Ghislane Maxwell has the leverage, what is she doing in jail?

...Which makes no sense.  :shrug:

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And the weird part is, and I ask this question again here:

If Ghislane Maxwell has the leverage, what is she doing in jail?

...Which makes no sense.  :shrug:

Makes perfect sense if it involves Israel's Mossad. 

Can't find a better "Dead Man's Switch" than that!
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"More raccoons and squirrels have been arrested that people on the Epstein List"    

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Makes perfect sense if it involves Israel's Mossad. 

Can't find a better "Dead Man's Switch" than that!

Closed Intelligence Commitee meeting should take care of that.  Should be easy to discern Security Clearance level of everyone on the so list that Maxwell suggests exists., .

Vet it, and announce those as factual, and not as a harbinger of guilt.  Want a good start on draining the sleaziest of the Swamp?  This will be a good start.
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Makes perfect sense if it involves Israel's Mossad. 

Can't find a better "Dead Man's Switch" than that!

Naw... You ain't picking up what I'm putting down.

This list is some heavy weight... BIG leverage. People don't want it going public. With that much weight to swing around, she ought to either be dead or free and living the high life... Why is she in jail?

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My contention is that there's not a single girl among the thousands of videos who didn't want to be there...living that lifestyle, partying and getting paid for it.

So, spare me the "innocent children" nonsense.

Now... how hard would it be to slip a Quaalude type downer into an unsuspecting guest's drink?

Epstein has paid his penance with his life.  The girls have all moved on to something different.

Yet everybody insists that the men showing up in single videos are all guilty.

Guilty of what?  Stupidity?

??? @DCPatriot how many of these girls were taken off the streets (basically kidnapped through sex trafficking) and drugged and kept drugged up and then sexually abused.  Lifestyle?  How lavish is a lifestyle of being drugged up and raped and who know what else they are put through?

There is an organization that I heard about through a Christian radio station that is now raising funds to rescue and rehabilitate girls that have been sex trafficked.  Sex trafficking is big $$ and it's not a rare occurrence.

I'll post the link again to a movie I've referred to before;  "The Whistleblower" (based on true events) about sex trafficking and U.N. involvement. I think it just may open your eyes.  (I'm not sure that the link below is the full movie).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlysGx27Hbs


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Even if there is no specific client list compiled by Epstein then we can certainly ask Ghislane Maxwell to compile a list. It is also not unfathomable that the FBI and NSA can parse the signals intelligence to identify the people who traveled to Epstein's mansion in NYC, the island, or the New Mexico estate.

At least for the island in question there is NO WAY the NSA doesn't know who went there.

As much as I don't like Ghislane Maxwell, I also don't trust her NOT to add names to the list she wants to manipulate into her freedom. Of course this only applies to the part of your comment about making/compiling a "new" list. There is all kinds of lawyers/politicians that would gladly help her compile a political hit-list.
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Plagiarized.

I am a Constitutionalist conservative who happens to be a Republican. I have libertarian leanings to the extent that I yearn for the America that Alexis de Tocqueville wrote about. A nation in which the average person was barely aware of government on a day to day basis.

I chafe at abusive law enforcement having experienced it at length in California. The LEO I run into in Wyoming are much better but on occasion even they lean into authoritarianism. I worry for the future that too many Americans are accepting of European levels of authoritarianism from government.

The whole thing with cops and their fetish for inappropriately demanding ID and demanding that people defer to them revolts me. We need police to protect us from such bullshit, not to enforce it.

I also hate bullies in general and on principle.

@MeganC  I realize this wasn't addressed to me, but from reading your posts, I've always thought you to lean conservative.  I very much agree with your comments about LEO's ... and also your comments about bullies.  Well  stated.

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libertybele...

I think the DEM party died along with Harris.  That leaves the GOP.  I'm not so sure that this lack of transparency will be enough to crush the GOP.  If so, it will likely happen during the mid terms, leaving the door open for a DEM comeback in '28.

Pence has already voiced support for Musk's American party.  Count me out.


You are mistaken to believe the Dems are dead.  Not even close.  At the local and state level, they are well entrenched.  They have 23 state governors and 2 territory governors.  They are very much in evidence.

And in terms of 2026, I believe it is the Republicans that are the ones that stand to lose and not the Democommies.  Why?  Because the Republicans have both houses of Congress and the presidency.  Who are folks going to blame for their woes?  And you don't think there are sufficient districts in the house that can be flipped by getting 5,000 people to change their vote?   All it takes is a good ground game, and the Dems are superior to the Republicans for just that.

Right now, the Dems are leaderless.  But between now and Nov, 2026, they will transition into something cohesive to put up a fight to take back one or more houses of Congress.  They will not remain a disorderly rabble for long. 

And the important question, what are the Republicans doing to earn anyone's vote today?  The Republicans are accomplished at doing nothing.  And without a voting majority in the Senate, they cannot pass much in the way of legislation.  So, the gridlock that exists remains intact, and people become disillusioned with who is in power.  Bye, bye Republicans come Nov, 2026.

And if you do not think Trump will take it on the chin for what appears to be pure corruption by covering up what went down with Epstein, think again.  Hell, we have one person on these boards that thinks using 14 year old girls was perfectly fine to entrap corrupt politicians and businessmen.  And what man who has a net worth of hundreds of millions would kill himself?  Epstein was murdered, plain and simple.  Even his brother said he spoke to him that day or the day before, and he was not talking like someone that wanted to check out.  He was murdered.  And it appears Trump is covering that up to protect who, the corrupt CIA?  Oh yeah, the American people will support that sh*t!!!!!!!!!!

As I sit here, Trump is losing credibility daily.  He has alienated 2.3 million federal employees, their spouses, children, friends, other family with the Musk fiasco of trimming the federal government.  That will translate into lost seats for the Republicans in Nov, 2026, you can count on it.  My own wife, never voted for a Dem has told me repeatedly she will not vote for any Republican in 2026.  She is livid.  How many districts with a few hundred, a few thousand changed votes, and boom the Dem wins.

And I have said this, the Dems do not need to get their sh*t together, they just need to target the districts and the states that are a toss up and concentrate their money and energy on those contests.  And all they need is a majority of one in each house of Congress.  Believe me, it is the underdog party that has the advantage in the mid-term election.

And Trump's efforts with tariffs are dragging out too long.  And he and his admin are lying about inflation.  I see no difference in prices, for gasoline, for eggs, for food.  In fact, TODAY, I went and bought two items I buy every other week, and the price on both has gone up.  Hmmm!

As we saw with the Biden Admin, lying about what is really going on does not attract votes, does it?  I think the FED is right not to lower interest rates this year.  Inflation has not been tamed.  We start lowering interest rates, and it is the late 70s/early 80s all over again.

And the total failure of Congress to reign in spending will not help inflation either.  Both parties are guilty of destroying the value of the dollar, the use of the dollar as the global reserve currency, etc.  Business as usual in Washington.  I am not impressed with the Republicans or Trump.

But the Democommies, the Degenerate Party is controlled by the insane, so what future do we have really?  A bleak one I fear.

And don't think for a moment, if the Dems ever do screw their heads on, they would be smart to go after Trump on the H1-b Visa Program.  He fully supports displacing USA citizens for low cost foreign labor.  That is a real issue they could sink their teeth in and gain millions of votes.  But it takes some with intelligence who are not focused on placating the alphabet folks and the insane.

And Pence is a spineless tool, so he is not the issue.  But Musk will drain votes away from the Republicans for their total failure to cut the budget by a serious number.

Add all this up, and believe me, the Republicans are facing major loses in Nov, 2026.  If they lose both houses of Congress, something I think possible, how long before the Dems impeach and actually remove Trump?  How long?  I say no more than 2 months after being seated.  It will be the first thing on their agenda.  Someone here on a thread asked, what would they impeach him over?  In my mind, since when did they need a valid reason?  They didn't have one the first two times!  They could claim he got out of bed on the wrong side, all they need is one vote in the majority. 

The Dems are very much alive.  Not well, but time changes everything.  And then there is Musk.  And this Epstein corruption is not going away.  I for one, I want the truth.  If the CIA is behind any of it, I want them to answer for it.
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You are mistaken to believe the Dems are dead.  Not even close.  At the local and state level, they are well entrenched.  They have 23 state governors and 2 territory governors.  They are very much in evidence.

And in terms of 2026, I believe it is the Republicans that are the ones that stand to lose and not the Democommies.  Why?  Because the Republicans have both houses of Congress and the presidency.  Who are folks going to blame for their woes?  And you don't think there are sufficient districts in the house that can be flipped by getting 5,000 people to change their vote?   All it takes is a good ground game, and the Dems are superior to the Republicans for just that.

Right now, the Dems are leaderless.  But between now and Nov, 2026, they will transition into something cohesive to put up a fight to take back one or more houses of Congress.  They will not remain a disorderly rabble for long. 

And the important question, what are the Republicans doing to earn anyone's vote today?  The Republicans are accomplished at doing nothing.  And without a voting majority in the Senate, they cannot pass much in the way of legislation.  So, the gridlock that exists remains intact, and people become disillusioned with who is in power.  Bye, bye Republicans come Nov, 2026.

And if you do not think Trump will take it on the chin for what appears to be pure corruption by covering up what went down with Epstein, think again.  Hell, we have one person on these boards that thinks using 14 year old girls was perfectly fine to entrap corrupt politicians and businessmen.  And what man who has a net worth of hundreds of millions would kill himself?  Epstein was murdered, plain and simple.  Even his brother said he spoke to him that day or the day before, and he was not talking like someone that wanted to check out.  He was murdered.  And it appears Trump is covering that up to protect who, the corrupt CIA?  Oh yeah, the American people will support that sh*t!!!!!!!!!!

As I sit here, Trump is losing credibility daily.  He has alienated 2.3 million federal employees, their spouses, children, friends, other family with the Musk fiasco of trimming the federal government.  That will translate into lost seats for the Republicans in Nov, 2026, you can count on it.  My own wife, never voted for a Dem has told me repeatedly she will not vote for any Republican in 2026.  She is livid.  How many districts with a few hundred, a few thousand changed votes, and boom the Dem wins.

And I have said this, the Dems do not need to get their sh*t together, they just need to target the districts and the states that are a toss up and concentrate their money and energy on those contests.  And all they need is a majority of one in each house of Congress.  Believe me, it is the underdog party that has the advantage in the mid-term election.

And Trump's efforts with tariffs are dragging out too long.  And he and his admin are lying about inflation.  I see no difference in prices, for gasoline, for eggs, for food.  In fact, TODAY, I went and bought two items I buy every other week, and the price on both has gone up.  Hmmm!

As we saw with the Biden Admin, lying about what is really going on does not attract votes, does it?  I think the FED is right not to lower interest rates this year.  Inflation has not been tamed.  We start lowering interest rates, and it is the late 70s/early 80s all over again.

And the total failure of Congress to reign in spending will not help inflation either.  Both parties are guilty of destroying the value of the dollar, the use of the dollar as the global reserve currency, etc.  Business as usual in Washington.  I am not impressed with the Republicans or Trump.

But the Democommies, the Degenerate Party is controlled by the insane, so what future do we have really?  A bleak one I fear.

And don't think for a moment, if the Dems ever do screw their heads on, they would be smart to go after Trump on the H1-b Visa Program.  He fully supports displacing USA citizens for low cost foreign labor.  That is a real issue they could sink their teeth in and gain millions of votes.  But it takes some with intelligence who are not focused on placating the alphabet folks and the insane.

And Pence is a spineless tool, so he is not the issue.  But Musk will drain votes away from the Republicans for their total failure to cut the budget by a serious number.

Add all this up, and believe me, the Republicans are facing major loses in Nov, 2026.  If they lose both houses of Congress, something I think possible, how long before the Dems impeach and actually remove Trump?  How long?  I say no more than 2 months after being seated.  It will be the first thing on their agenda.  Someone here on a thread asked, what would they impeach him over?  In my mind, since when did they need a valid reason?  They could claim he got out of bed on the wrong side, all they need is one vote in the majority. 

The Dems are very much alive.  Not well, but time changes everything.  And then there is Musk.  And this Epstein corruption is not going away.  I for one, I want the truth.  If the CIA is behind any of it, I want them to answer for it.

Interesting post, a few points:

1) Epstein had every reason to kill himself, even as filthy rich as he was. He was despised, would have almost surely gone to prison. He would have been a chomo in prison, which isn't a good thing. A rich chomo too, filthy rich.

2) Trump hired the prosecutor of Epstein from Florida right? Just a random thought I had. The same guy, I believe, let Epstein out of prison or got him off the hook somehow.

3) Democrats IMO will surely win in 2026 and they will surely impeach Trump and will surely hold hearings. I don't think they'll be able to convict him however. That will be 3 times they have tried and failed.

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I had to look up what chomo meant.  In a regular prison, yes, being a chomo would be a real threat.  And you believe he would go to a regular prison?  Seriously?   HELL NO!!!  He would go to a country club prison, where he can bone up on his tennis game, while writing his memoirs at the computer in his room, just like Ivan Boesky.

Your #2....who cares...a bit of minutia that means nothing.

Your #3... long shot they gain control over both houses of Congress, but my point is that it is possible, perhaps  not probable.  But if they do gain control of both houses of Congress, Trump is history.  He will be convicted and removed.  And they do not need truth or justice on their side, they just need one vote more than the opposing view.

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Also @DCPatriot

DCP was seemingly ignorant of the strongly supported allegations and testimony that Epstein was involved in abusing prepubescent children.

To me the fact that the various statements say 'children' and not just 'girls' means to me that at least some boys were victimized as well.

DCP also provoked this comment and my own by dismissing the crimes against 15-17 year old girls because they were lured in by a lifestyle that was otherwise out of reach to them. This is called grooming and it is a technique employed by sexual predators.

DCP's assignment of blame to the girls also hit home for me as someone who was raped at sixteen by my father and then had my mother angry at me because I called the police and he went to prison where I am grateful that he died.

I'll save the long story but I got through my trauma and came out of it stronger and angrier. I am not always angry but I can go from zero to nuclear in a split second. It leaves a mark.

To so cavalierly dismiss what happened to these girls at the hands of a master predator makes me angry. Very angry.

Whether the victims were ten or seventeen the criminal and the crime are the same. Epstein's assaults are not lessened because some of his victims were fifteen to seventeen and they may have gone with him willingly. That son of a bitch knew what he was doing and so did his clients like Bill Clinton.

I will give DCP the benefit of the doubt because he did not know about the elementary school age victims. But I am afraid that DCP must own his dismissal of the older victims. Blaming victims for their sexual abuse and exploitation should be a thing of the past. It is the abusers who must bear the responsibility for their actions.
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Let's put it this way. Whether or not those young women are old enough to consent legally to sexual activity, a tremendous number of them have been exposed to sexual activity on television, raising levels of titillation to the point of (in combination with the rush of hormones accompanying puberty) them desiring to engage in sexual activity.
Through their lives, from sex ed in school to mass media, secular culture is obsessed, and some of them are, too.
NO, that does not mean one approves of sexual activity at what we like to consider a tender age, before the other aspects of relationships can be handled, and definitely not before it is legal, but only about 1/3 of the young women out there reach the age of majority in this day and age still retaining their virginity. Unless there is some factor of appearance or behaviour that routinely causes them to be rejected as a potential partner by members of he opposite sex, and nowadays, with the homoerotic saturation in media, even members of their own sex, 2/3 of young women will have had sexual relations at least once.

Nature will take its course if left culturally unchecked.

We also tend to look askance at relations between those above the age of consent and those below it, and have statutes which permit the older party to be prosecuted for statutory rape, even if the younger partner was completely willing (which leads back to the age of consent, before which  young humans are deemed to not be mature enough to enter into contracts and make their own choices).
The legalities, for better or worse, do not coincide necessarily with sexual physical maturity, even if they try to impose that buffer between wanting to and being considered mature enough.


I think @DCPatriot was just pointing out facts about human behaviour.
What we try to shield our children from is the way their worldview will change after their first sexual experience, and it does. We also understand that that naiveté exists and try to protect our kids from the predators out there, as any good parent does.

I think DC was just pointing out that (nearly 2/3) of young women do, before the age of 18, and obviously, many enjoy the physical sensations regardless of being considered old enough.

That is not approval of pedophilia, but an acknowledgement of human nature.
There is a big difference between two sixteen year olds being attracted to each other, and some 30 year old cruising the high school (or any other school for that matter). And under no circumstances is it okay for anyone to be messing with little kids, which is why the drag queens can sod off.

 
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You are mistaken to believe the Dems are dead.  Not even close.  At the local and state level, they are well entrenched.  They have 23 state governors and 2 territory governors.  They are very much in evidence.

And in terms of 2026, I believe it is the Republicans that are the ones that stand to lose and not the Democommies.  Why?  Because the Republicans have both houses of Congress and the presidency.  Who are folks going to blame for their woes?  And you don't think there are sufficient districts in the house that can be flipped by getting 5,000 people to change their vote?   All it takes is a good ground game, and the Dems are superior to the Republicans for just that.

Right now, the Dems are leaderless.  But between now and Nov, 2026, they will transition into something cohesive to put up a fight to take back one or more houses of Congress.  They will not remain a disorderly rabble for long. 

And the important question, what are the Republicans doing to earn anyone's vote today?  The Republicans are accomplished at doing nothing.  And without a voting majority in the Senate, they cannot pass much in the way of legislation.  So, the gridlock that exists remains intact, and people become disillusioned with who is in power.  Bye, bye Republicans come Nov, 2026.

And if you do not think Trump will take it on the chin for what appears to be pure corruption by covering up what went down with Epstein, think again.  Hell, we have one person on these boards that thinks using 14 year old girls was perfectly fine to entrap corrupt politicians and businessmen.  And what man who has a net worth of hundreds of millions would kill himself?  Epstein was murdered, plain and simple.  Even his brother said he spoke to him that day or the day before, and he was not talking like someone that wanted to check out.  He was murdered.  And it appears Trump is covering that up to protect who, the corrupt CIA?  Oh yeah, the American people will support that sh*t!!!!!!!!!!

As I sit here, Trump is losing credibility daily.  He has alienated 2.3 million federal employees, their spouses, children, friends, other family with the Musk fiasco of trimming the federal government.  That will translate into lost seats for the Republicans in Nov, 2026, you can count on it.  My own wife, never voted for a Dem has told me repeatedly she will not vote for any Republican in 2026.  She is livid.  How many districts with a few hundred, a few thousand changed votes, and boom the Dem wins.

And I have said this, the Dems do not need to get their sh*t together, they just need to target the districts and the states that are a toss up and concentrate their money and energy on those contests.  And all they need is a majority of one in each house of Congress.  Believe me, it is the underdog party that has the advantage in the mid-term election.

And Trump's efforts with tariffs are dragging out too long.  And he and his admin are lying about inflation.  I see no difference in prices, for gasoline, for eggs, for food.  In fact, TODAY, I went and bought two items I buy every other week, and the price on both has gone up.  Hmmm!

As we saw with the Biden Admin, lying about what is really going on does not attract votes, does it?  I think the FED is right not to lower interest rates this year.  Inflation has not been tamed.  We start lowering interest rates, and it is the late 70s/early 80s all over again.

And the total failure of Congress to reign in spending will not help inflation either.  Both parties are guilty of destroying the value of the dollar, the use of the dollar as the global reserve currency, etc.  Business as usual in Washington.  I am not impressed with the Republicans or Trump.

But the Democommies, the Degenerate Party is controlled by the insane, so what future do we have really?  A bleak one I fear.

And don't think for a moment, if the Dems ever do screw their heads on, they would be smart to go after Trump on the H1-b Visa Program.  He fully supports displacing USA citizens for low cost foreign labor.  That is a real issue they could sink their teeth in and gain millions of votes.  But it takes some with intelligence who are not focused on placating the alphabet folks and the insane.

And Pence is a spineless tool, so he is not the issue.  But Musk will drain votes away from the Republicans for their total failure to cut the budget by a serious number.

Add all this up, and believe me, the Republicans are facing major loses in Nov, 2026.  If they lose both houses of Congress, something I think possible, how long before the Dems impeach and actually remove Trump?  How long?  I say no more than 2 months after being seated.  It will be the first thing on their agenda.  Someone here on a thread asked, what would they impeach him over?  In my mind, since when did they need a valid reason?  They didn't have one the first two times!  They could claim he got out of bed on the wrong side, all they need is one vote in the majority. 

The Dems are very much alive.  Not well, but time changes everything.  And then there is Musk.  And this Epstein corruption is not going away.  I for one, I want the truth.  If the CIA is behind any of it, I want them to answer for it.
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I paid $2.50 for a dozen eggs.

That's way down from the near $7.00 nevermind price.

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Cheese has pretty much held.

Coffee (Dark Sumatran, whole bean) up slightly, about $1/lb. (Since Biden went in). It has not gone back down.

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