Israel launches preemptive strike on Iranian nuclear sites, military targets

[verga]

Did you read the text I was responding to?  Netanyahu claimed in 1992 that Iran was 3-5 years away from having a nuke.  Last weekend he said 12-13 months.  If they have been working "as fast as they could" this whole time, something doesn't quite add up. 

From what we know, after the inspections deal was cancelled, Iran took the opportunity to become a threshold state.  And that was a mistake, because it provided a pretext for an attack.  However, it made sense to do this if they wanted the ability to build a weapon in short order, in case they were targeted for regime change (kinda like what is actually happening now).

We live in an information age, and in upcoming political campaigns, much discussion will be had over what lead to this dreadful situation.  Right now it looks like the administration had reopened negotiations, those were still ongoing, and somebody just decided to kill the negotiators and launch a massive war.  Unless we find evidence that Iran was building a bomb, the path is paved for a left wing populist.

For a number of years the IAEA (UN inspectors) have been saying that Iran has been following protocols for "peaceful use" now 5 days ago this comes out: The development follows serious warnings from the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) earlier this week that inspectors have been unable to determine whether Iran’s nuclear programme was “exclusively peaceful” – as per the terms of the 2015 nuclear deal from which the United States subsequently withdrew.
Sorry I don't buy it, I ran has been a rogue state for to long.

[Right_in_Virginia]

So, my typo is your great enlightenment...

Actually, I was hoping it would be yours. 

[DB]

Actually, I was hoping it would be yours. 

So that really was all you got.

[240B]

It is interesting to note the massive impact the war in Iran is having on the Ukraine/Russia war. All the munitions Russia was getting from Iran, including the Shahed Drone, are no longer available. This means that every Shahed that Russia launches from now on is the last one. Russia is counting down to zero until there are none left.

Ukrainians are already seeing the effect of this in action, as the number of drone strikes and the number of drones per strike is decreasing by the day. It is an unplanned bonus for taking out Iran.

[Wingnut]

You have a very unique way of boiling things down @Wingnut I like it!

 

 

I was thinking maybe those other countries don't GAF because most of Iran is not Muzlum?  At least I don't think they are a majority.  ICBR.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The part I bolded is utter tripe @Right_in_Virginia ! .

Another measurement of this grand manipulator, Benjamin Netanyahu,  is that the tip of his spear continues to be emotional blackmail --- from using the Holocaust to threats that Iran will kill you next.

Here's an example of the emotional blackmail I was referring to @Bigun  ----


The Israeli delegates wore the yellow stars to protest against criticism of Israel's conduct
during the Gaza war and to express their solidarity with victims of the Hamas attack,
likening the current situation to the Holocaust.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Got to strongly disagree RIV.  There is no moral comparison  comparing Muslim terrorism and what Israel provides in the region. 

I don't know how else to say this, but I mean no disrespect:  my referenced "moral imperative" is for Americans to back out of the propaganda bubble and assess the situation in the Middle East --- and this entails scrutinizing Israel's motives, methods and goals from all angles without fear of character assassination.

We must be free --- and encouraged --- to find the full truth --- to determine if what we support with such vigor actually elevates who we are and what we stand for.  Israel has gone through many changes since 1948 and, as it should be, will determine who and what she is.  What I do not like or agree with is how *we* are changing to support Israel's actions and goals.
 

The Iranians targeted population centers ...

You must have missed this @catfish1957 ......  There's a reason you could agree with for putting Tel Aviv in the crosshairs.  Read on ---

IDF headquarters hit by Iranian missile attack as Islamic Republic launches barrage of missiles at Tel Aviv
NY Post, Jun 13, 2025

Israel’s military headquarters may have been struck after Iran’s Islamic Republic unleashed a barrage of missiles on central Tel Aviv late Friday night.

Alarming footage shared on social media — and verified by The New York Times — showed a strike slamming into an area that houses several military sites, including the Israel Defense Forces’ main command center.

The videos suggest that at least one Iranian missile breached Israel’s air defenses and hit a sensitive command site in the heart of Tel Aviv.

Móre:  https://nypost.com/2025/06/13/world-news/idf-headquarters-hit-by-iranian-missile-attack-as-islamic-republic-launches-barrage-of-missiles-at-tel-aviv/

Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald

Israel, in 2021, built its new IDF supreme command post in the heart of Tel Aviv, buried beneath blocks of civilian buildings.

Called the "Fortress of Zion," it was deliberately placed so it couldn't be attacked without seeming to target civilian sites.



2:53 PM · Jun 13, 2025

https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/1933598670144082016

[Hoodat]

Here's an example of the emotional blackmail I was referring to @Bigun  ----

I wore a yellow star as my avatar during Covid.  Did you feel like I was emotionally blackmailing you?

Seriously, how do you feel blackmailed from the actions of this diplomat?  Heck, do you even know the context here?  Good grief.  The truth simply isn't in you.

[Hoodat]

@Right_in_Virginia
Well, that was not your point at all. You are a liar. And you are an extremely arrogant pompous condescending agitator. The biggest mistake I made in my post was responding to you. You are not a serious person. You are no different than Antifa or all the pro-Hamas protesters. There is no way to reason or debate with you because your mind is already made up. You know it all already. No need for debate if you can never be wrong.

You seem to be pro-Putin in Ukraine, pro-Hamas in Israel and anti-Christian/anti-Jewish in America. Good luck with all that ... being on the wrong side of everything must be a heavy stone to carry around all the time.

Nailed it!

[libertybele]

Why? Do you think Russia or China or anyone else will go to war on behalf of Iran?

Putin perhaps, but right now Z is keeping him pretty busy.

China is my concern.  My other concern is the likelihood of Iranian terrorists within this country that could strike.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Seriously, how do you feel blackmailed from the actions of this diplomat?  Heck, do you even know the context here? 

This was explained in the part of my post you erased from your quote....

The Israeli delegates wore the yellow stars to protest against criticism of Israel's conduct
during the Gaza war and to express their solidarity with victims of the Hamas attack, likening the
current situation to the Holocaust.

[Hoodat]

Three points ....

. . . Second, I am of the opinion that Bibi did and continues to manipulate the POTUS and the American people .  .  .

Third, I trust Trump to do what is best for this nation

Still trying to reconcile these two. 

1.  Trump is a puppet of Netanyahu
2.  You trust Trump

Therefore, you trust Netanyahu.

[Hoodat]

This was explained in the part of my post you erased from your quote....

The Israeli delegates wore the yellow stars to protest against criticism of Israel's conduct
during the Gaza war and to express their solidarity with victims of the Hamas attack, likening the
current situation to the Holocaust.

Then explain it.  How did you feel blackmailed?  What action were you compelled to make after seeing that star?

[MeganC]

Putin perhaps, but right now Z is keeping him pretty busy.

China is my concern.  My other concern is the likelihood of Iranian terrorists within this country that could strike.

Russia is sitting this out. China is too. As for Iranian terrorists in the USA? They've had over forty five years to do something and they haven't. I'm not worried about them in that way.

[jafo2010]

Trump has no real choice here in regard to Iran.  Israel has destroyed all of the Iranian defenses, which opens the door for an attack with no resistance should the USA strike.

Trump has repeatedly said Iran cannot have nuclear weapons.  If he is decisive now, that ends it for Iran.  Either Lend Lease the B-2s to Israel to finish the job, or we do it ourselves.  Either way, it sends a message to the middle east that we are not tolerant of a rogue nation determined to destroy Israel and perhaps us in time. 

Iran leadership must be targeted.  Why not?  Keep that idiot mullah in power for what reason?  He is a crazy old genocidal maniac.  His cry of DEATH TO AMERICA has been sung once too many times. 

Bottomline, Iran has been developing intercontinental ballistic missiles that will one day reach the USA.  You think he will not use them?  I say kill him, destroy every nuclear location so that a blade of grass does not grow there ever again.  In essence, end the role of Iran in the middle east.  Make them an importer of oil for the next ten years.  Get them to surrender completely.

Unconditional surrender is appropriate and I applaud President Trump.  End this nonsense of Iran now.  Iran goes away as an enemy, and we have peace in the middle east.  I say level them.  And take out all the mullahs running that country. 

[MeganC]

Trump has no real choice here in regard to Iran.  Israel has destroyed all of the Iranian defenses, which opens the door for an attack with no resistance should the USA strike.

Trump has repeatedly said Iran cannot have nuclear weapons.  If he is decisive now, that ends it for Iran.  Either Lend Lease the B-2s to Israel to finish the job, or we do it ourselves.  Either way, it sends a message to the middle east that we are not tolerant of a rogue nation determined to destroy Israel and perhaps us in time. 

Iran leadership must be targeted.  Why not?  Keep that idiot mullah in power for what reason?  He is a crazy old genocidal maniac.  His cry of DEATH TO AMERICA has been sung once too many times. 

Bottomline, Iran has been developing intercontinental ballistic missiles that will one day reach the USA.  You think he will not use them?  I say kill him, destroy every nuclear location so that a blade of grass does not grow there ever again.  In essence, end the role of Iran in the middle east.  Make them an importer of oil for the next ten years.  Get them to surrender completely.

Unconditional surrender is appropriate and I applaud President Trump.  End this nonsense of Iran now.  Iran goes away as an enemy, and we have peace in the middle east.  I say level them.  And take out all the mullahs running that country.

 

[BobfromWB]

It is interesting to note the massive impact the war in Iran is having on the Ukraine/Russia war. All the munitions Russia was getting from Iran, including the Shahed Drone, are no longer available. This means that every Shahed that Russia launches from now on is the last one. Russia is counting down to zero until there are none left.

Ukrainians are already seeing the effect of this in action, as the number of drone strikes and the number of drones per strike is decreasing by the day. It is an unplanned bonus for taking out Iran.

I though the Russians had their own Shahed drone factory. it was a big deal some months back. However, I think UKR hit that factory recently, so the countdown may be real, depending on how long it takes Russia to build another one - next to its bomber bases in the Russian Far East ...

[BobfromWB]

Russia is sitting this out. China is too. As for Iranian terrorists in the USA? They've had over forty five years to do something and they haven't. I'm not worried about them in that way.

There was a report of Chinese military cargo plane that landed in Tehran yesterday evening, apparently it flew in with its transponder off.

[DB]

There was a report of Chinese military cargo plane that landed in Tehran yesterday evening, apparently it flew in with its transponder off.

The big question is, where they bringing something in or taking something out???

[verga]

Trump has no real choice here in regard to Iran.  Israel has destroyed all of the Iranian defenses, which opens the door for an attack with no resistance should the USA strike.

Trump has repeatedly said Iran cannot have nuclear weapons.  If he is decisive now, that ends it for Iran.  Either Lend Lease the B-2s to Israel to finish the job, or we do it ourselves.  Either way, it sends a message to the middle east that we are not tolerant of a rogue nation determined to destroy Israel and perhaps us in time. 

Iran leadership must be targeted.  Why not?  Keep that idiot mullah in power for what reason?  He is a crazy old genocidal maniac.  His cry of DEATH TO AMERICA has been sung once too many times. 

Bottomline, Iran has been developing intercontinental ballistic missiles that will one day reach the USA.  You think he will not use them?  I say kill him, destroy every nuclear location so that a blade of grass does not grow there ever again.  In essence, end the role of Iran in the middle east.  Make them an importer of oil for the next ten years.  Get them to surrender completely.

Unconditional surrender is appropriate and I applaud President Trump.  End this nonsense of Iran now.  Iran goes away as an enemy, and we have peace in the middle east.  I say level them.  And take out all the mullahs running that country.

While I don't always agree with your point of view, On this you are spot on. 

[corbe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXFHV6swYhM

[bilo]

Trump has no real choice here in regard to Iran.  Israel has destroyed all of the Iranian defenses, which opens the door for an attack with no resistance should the USA strike.

Trump has repeatedly said Iran cannot have nuclear weapons.  If he is decisive now, that ends it for Iran.  Either Lend Lease the B-2s to Israel to finish the job, or we do it ourselves.  Either way, it sends a message to the middle east that we are not tolerant of a rogue nation determined to destroy Israel and perhaps us in time. 

Iran leadership must be targeted.  Why not?  Keep that idiot mullah in power for what reason?  He is a crazy old genocidal maniac.  His cry of DEATH TO AMERICA has been sung once too many times. 

Bottomline, Iran has been developing intercontinental ballistic missiles that will one day reach the USA.  You think he will not use them?  I say kill him, destroy every nuclear location so that a blade of grass does not grow there ever again.  In essence, end the role of Iran in the middle east.  Make them an importer of oil for the next ten years.  Get them to surrender completely.

Unconditional surrender is appropriate and I applaud President Trump.  End this nonsense of Iran now.  Iran goes away as an enemy, and we have peace in the middle east.  I say level them.  And take out all the mullahs running that country.

It would be a mistake to make a martyr of the leadership. Any govt. that would follow would always be considered illegitimate by at least a sizeable minority. It will be better to cripple the leadership by killing all those close to the top until they are forced to step down, or face being assassinated by someone close to them that doesn't want to die as well.

Let them flee to Russia. Mossad will find them and finish the job.

No matter what it's coming to a head now.

[DB]

It would be a mistake to make a martyr of the leadership. Any govt. that would follow would always be considered illegitimate by at least a sizeable minority. It will be better to cripple the leadership by killing all those close to the top until they are forced to step down, or face being assassinated by someone close to them that doesn't want to die as well.

Let them flee to Russia. Mossad will find them and finish the job.

No matter what it's coming to a head now.

Ideal case would be the Iranian people hanging the mullahs in public.

[libertybele]

Trump has no real choice here in regard to Iran.  Israel has destroyed all of the Iranian defenses, which opens the door for an attack with no resistance should the USA strike.

Trump has repeatedly said Iran cannot have nuclear weapons.  If he is decisive now, that ends it for Iran.  Either Lend Lease the B-2s to Israel to finish the job, or we do it ourselves.  Either way, it sends a message to the middle east that we are not tolerant of a rogue nation determined to destroy Israel and perhaps us in time. 

Iran leadership must be targeted.  Why not?  Keep that idiot mullah in power for what reason?  He is a crazy old genocidal maniac.  His cry of DEATH TO AMERICA has been sung once too many times. 

Bottomline, Iran has been developing intercontinental ballistic missiles that will one day reach the USA.  You think he will not use them?  I say kill him, destroy every nuclear location so that a blade of grass does not grow there ever again.  In essence, end the role of Iran in the middle east.  Make them an importer of oil for the next ten years.  Get them to surrender completely.

Unconditional surrender is appropriate and I applaud President Trump.  End this nonsense of Iran now.  Iran goes away as an enemy, and we have peace in the middle east.  I say level them.  And take out all the mullahs running that country.

 

[bilo]

Ideal case would be the Iranian people hanging the mullahs in public.

Exactly!

Then they setup their own govt. We do not want to be on the ground.

[Timber Rattler]

He looks just like his father!  A government in waiting.

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1935075492530675980

Meanwhile...

https://twitter.com/MilMonWorld/status/1935098445184094565

[Wingnut]

Cut it out, Wingnut.
Sincerely,
Mod2

[Smokin Joe]

That is almost laughable. Almost invisible?  Yeah right..sure.  whatever.

Civilian air traffic control relies heavily on transponder data.

Military radars assume hostiles will be trying to mask their data, spoof other aircraft, or otherwise stay stealthy, so they are more powerful.

[Wingnut]

Civilian air traffic control relies heavily on transponder data.

Military radars assume hostiles will be trying to mask their data, spoof other aircraft, or otherwise stay stealthy, so they are more powerful.

Yup. 

[libertybele]

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WTH???  Seriously?      

[Smokin Joe]

Why? Do you think Russia or China or anyone else will go to war on behalf of Iran?

No, but they might choose to enhance Iranian capabilities to help achieve their own ends elsewhere.

Anything which keeps potential opponents busy works for them.

[DB]

No, but they might choose to enhance Iranian capabilities to help achieve their own ends elsewhere.

Anything which keeps potential opponents busy works for them.

I wonder if the Chinese cargo plane that reportedly landed there yesterday provide high altitude anti-aircraft weapons that would be a threat to the B-2s?

[Wingnut]

I wonder if the Chinese cargo plane that reportedly landed there yesterday provide high altitude anti-aircraft weapons that would be a threat to the B-2s?

What has ever been a threat to a B-52

[DB]

What has ever been a threat to a B-52

Love Shack?

[Wingnut]

Love Shack?

I lol'd 

[240B]

Watching international news on Youtube. Multiple interviews, including actual pilots, saying that Israel has such ironfist control over Iran that they are actually goading Iran to fire on them and to fire on Israel. The reasoning is that as soon as they 'light up' (prepare to fire) they are immediately vaporized. It is possible to find missile systems when they are dormant but it is much harder. However as soon as it becomes active, Israel can find and destroy them before they are able to move.

Israel is destroying missile stockpiles when they find them but their primary goal is to take out the missile launchers. The Iranians may have thousands of missiles, but without a way to launch them the missiles are useless deadweight.

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/1935099966877204698

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1935041213108994324

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1935110401135464733

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1935105179243921638

[Hoodat]

Amichai Stein
@AmichaiStein1
🚨🇮🇷🇮🇱🇺🇸 NEW in the
@Jerusalem_Post
:

• Sources familiar with the details of U.S. administration discussions told the Post: If the U.S. administration joins the effort, it will not be a symbolic action but a significant one, with the primary target being the uranium enrichment facility in Fordow.

• The U.S. administration is deploying defense systems to the region, including to protect American bases and facilities in Arab countries. Additionally, heavy bombers are stationed at the Diego Garcia base and the U.S. base in Qatar.

• A U.S. official told the Post: "There is no doubt about what Trump wants, and he will not hesitate to do what is necessary to achieve that goal."

• Behind the scenes: Oman and Qatar are attempting to mediate between Iran and the U.S. Tehran has even conveyed messages to Israel through them: "Let’s de-escalate tensions." Efforts are underway to arrange a meeting between a senior U.S. official and a senior Iranian official.

1:39 PM · Jun 17, 2025  ·  105.4K Views

https://x.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1935029543309602963

[Hoodat]

[DB]

So apparently Iran's "supreme leader" has come out and said "the battle begins".

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/israel-iran-war-prompts-trump-to-leave-g7-summit-early

Iran must already have nuclear weapons for that to be anything other than a bluff.

[Hoodat]

Chuck Pierce prophesy - Nov 15, 2024

(Sorry, it's Facebook.  Can't find it anywhere else)

https://www.facebook.com/reel/771925088590658


(He called out 9/11, too.)

[Widget Jr]

to 240B, reply #553

It is interesting to note the massive impact the war in Iran is having on the Ukraine/Russia war...

Russia has its own shaheed production, including new turbojet powered ones that are three times faster than before.
Of course, Ukraine would like to target those production facilities, under the principle of "shoot the archer, not the arrow".

Sat, June 16:
Kyiv Post, Confirmed: Ukrainian SSO Strikes Shahed Drone Plant in Russia – Fires, Airport Chaos
The Guardian, Ukraine war briefing: Russian drone factory attacked, 1,000km away in Tatarstan

Ukraine attacked a drone/Shahed plant in Yelabuga, Tatarstan.


Russia builds drone facilities and builds up production, the supply and distribution chains.
Ukraine takes out the factory, disrupting not only drone operations, the entire chain from procurement to employment.
Even if this is not intentional by design, it works out to create a real big headache for Russia.

[BobfromWB]

Gotta get fuel to heat their tea ...

[240B]

People think of Iran as if it has gone into hunker down mode, and is not producing much anymore. This is accurate for most of the country. However the underground nuclear enrichment site at Fordow is still running at 120%. It has its own electrical and water production with enough stores to last for a year or more. The site was designed, stocked, and prepared, for this exact situation.

They are still rushing toward a nuclear weapon even faster than ever. It is not inconceivable that Iran will be able to cobble together some crude working nuclear device in a few days if they are allowed to proceed unmolested.

Time is of the essence.

[240B]

to 240B, reply #553
Russia has its own shaheed production, including new turbojet powered ones that are three times faster than before.
Of course, Ukraine would like to target those production facilities, under the principle of "shoot the archer, not the arrow".

Sat, June 16:
Kyiv Post, Confirmed: Ukrainian SSO Strikes Shahed Drone Plant in Russia – Fires, Airport Chaos
The Guardian, Ukraine war briefing: Russian drone factory attacked, 1,000km away in Tatarstan

Ukraine attacked a drone/Shahed plant in Yelabuga, Tatarstan.


Russia builds drone facilities and builds up production, the supply and distribution chains.
Ukraine takes out the factory, disrupting not only drone operations, the entire chain from procurement to employment.
Even if this is not intentional by design, it works out to create a real big headache for Russia.

Iran is an ally and a warfare supplier to Russia. There are many reports from Ukraine that drone and missile attacks on Ukraine have noticeably decreased since the start of the war with Israel. Whatever spectrum of aid Iran was providing Russia is no longer available, and it is having an effect.

[BobfromWB]

People think of Iran as if it has gone into hunker down mode, and is not producing much anymore. This is accurate for most of the country. However the underground nuclear enrichment site at Fordow is still running at 120%. It has its own electrical and water production with enough stores to last for a year or more. The site was designed, stocked, and prepared, for this exact situation.

They are still rushing toward a nuclear weapon even faster than ever. It is not inconceivable that Iran will be able to cobble together some crude working nuclear device in a few days if they are allowed to proceed unmolested.

Time is of the essence.

Time to a device depends on whether they have mastered and made the enriched uranium into the cast metal sphere need to make a bomb.

[DB]

Consider that the US did the entire process to build nuclear weapons in the 1940s...

Technology has come a LONG way since then.

It seems shocking to me that Iran has taken so long to achieve that with the base materials already in hand.