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.  .  .  This is not the first time Netanyahu has attempted to strong arm the United States into war, and in fact was the main driver of the “Saddam has nuclear weapons & weapons of mass destruction” LIE which lead to TWO ILLEGAL WARS against Afghanistan & Iraq during the Bush years after 9/11 and MANY MILLIONS DEAD on all sides.

I am so sick of seeing disproved Democrat talking points posted on these boards, especially those that are over 20 years old.  But I must admit, blaming it on Netanyahu piles a brand new lie on top of the old ones.  You do realize that Netanyahu was out of politics when 9/11 occurred, right?
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Another Jew hater steps forward.

She's been sitting on the front row for quite awhile now.
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Bibi sure is a master manipulator --- able to get the world's superpower to spill its own blood on his behalf.

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As Yogi Berra once said, "It's déjà vu all over again."

Attached  clip of Benjamin Netanyahu addressing Congress in 2002 in an effort to  push the US to go to war against Iraq based on the WMD lie.

We didn't go to war with Iraq over any WMD lie.  But then you knew that already.


AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ
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Isn't there a Christian sect watching and waiting for Armageddon against Israel so Jesus will come back @240B ?

Waiting for Armageddon against Israel?  No.  Not even close.  Your statement exudes ignorance.  Waiting for the rapture, perhaps.  But waiting for Armageddon?  You are clueless.  But such is the pitfall of blurting out the first idea that pops up in your head.
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Trump decides to leave the G7 Summit in Canada early and is heading back to Washington D.C.

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Netanyahu set the war goals for Iran today:

1. No nuclear weapons

2. No ballistic missile program

3. No Iran proxies


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Trump decides to leave the G7 Summit in Canada early and is heading back to Washington D.C.

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All the talking heads channels are predicting something huge tonight.
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All the talking heads channels are predicting something huge tonight.

It is the beginning of the end for Iran.  Been nice knowing yah.  Israel doing what the US should have done in 79.
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All the talking heads channels are predicting something huge tonight.

Massive traffic jam exiting Tehran?

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All the talking heads channels are predicting something huge tonight.


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NYT: President Trump is weighing whether to join Israel in striking Iran’s underground Fordow nuclear site, a target only U.S. B-2 bombers with bunker busters can destroy.

Kind of obvious.


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Massive traffic jam exiting Tehran?
Been like that for a week.
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Lets see how rushed the IRAQ War actually was.... from old post from TOS...

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Insanity, goes a popular saying, is doing the same thing over and over yet expecting a different result.

By that nonclinical definition, the U.N. Security Council — and anyone who believes it can, in its current form, offer a meaningful solution to the Iraqi crisis — is certifiably nuts.

The Security Council has passed 17 resolutions related to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, to which President Bush now feels compelled to add an 18th "final opportunity" for Iraq to comply fully with its international obligations.

Here, then, is an abbreviated version of President Bush's "rush to war," which has, in fact, spanned 12 years, three U.S. presidents and a series of unanimous Security Council votes.

Resolution 687, April 3, 1991: "Iraq shall unconditionally accept the destruction, removal or rendering harmless, under international supervision, of all chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities ... (and) all ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometers."

Resolution 707, Aug. 15, 1991: "Condemns Iraq's serious violation of a number of its obligations ... which constitutes a material breach of the relevant provisions. ... Demands that Iraq provide full, final and complete disclosure.

Resolution 949, Oct. 15, 1994: "Underlining that it will consider Iraq fully responsible for the serious consequences of any failure to fulfill the demands in the present resolution ... demands that Iraq cooperate fully."

Resolution 1060, Oct. 12, 1996: "Deplores the refusal of the Iraqi authorities to allow access to sites ... which constitutes a clear violation of the provisions of Security Council resolutions. Demands that Iraq cooperate fully ... and that the government of Iraq allow ... inspection teams immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to any and all areas, facilities, equipment, records and means of transportation which they wish to inspect."

Resolution 1115, June 21, 1997: "Condemns the repeated refusal of the Iraqi authorities to allow access. ... Demands that Iraq cooperate fully."

Resolution 1134, Oct. 23, 1997: "Condemns the repeated refusal of the Iraqi authorities ... to allow access. ... Decides that such refusals to cooperate constitute a flagrant violation. ... Demands that Iraq cooperate fully."

Resolution 1154, March 2, 1998: "Stresses that compliance by the government of Iraq with its obligations ... is necessary for the implementation of Resolution 687, but that any violation would have severest consequences for Iraq."

Resolution 1194, Sept. 9, 1998: "Determined to ensure full compliance by Iraq ... condemns the decision by Iraq to suspend cooperation ... which constitutes a totally unacceptable contravention of its obligations. ... Demands that Iraq ... cooperate fully."

Resolution 1205, Nov. 5, 1998: "Demands that Iraq ... provide immediate, complete and unconditional cooperation."

Resolution 1441, Nov. 8, 2002: "Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions. ... Decides ... to afford Iraq ... a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations ... with the aim of bringing to full and verified completion the disarmament process established by resolution 687."

From the perspective of international law, the international community remains in a state of war with the regime of Saddam Hussein. The 1991 cease-fire was premised on Iraq's acceptance of all provisions of Resolution 687, most notably the obligation to unconditionally disarm.

Iraq's manifest failure to do so renders operative its diplomatic antecedent — Resolution 678, which authorizes member states "to use all necessary means to uphold and implement ... all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area."

With or without an 18th resolution, the United States and its coalition of the willing are fully justified in using force against the regime of Saddam.

That Russia, China and France, whose troops are today operating in Chechnya, Tibet and the Ivory Coast respectively in promotion of narrow, national interests — and often brutally so — without any U.N. sanction, might veto the legitimate use of force against Iraq is the proverbial nail in the coffin for a United Nations that has consigned itself to irrelevancy.

The first casualty of a war with Iraq may be, mercifully, the U.N. legacy of impotence and hypocrisy.
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Thanks for posting that, @Sighlass

Like I said, I get sick and tired of seeing Democrat lies from two decades ago posted on this site.
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It looks like Israel has achieved complete air superiority over Iran.

I wonder if that is opening the door for US bombers to take out the deepest underground facilities?

I also wonder if some of those facilities are in Tehran under the city?

Those are probably capabilities outside Israel's arsenal.

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Trump cuts G7 trip short due to "what's going on in the Middle East"

Joe Walsh & Jennifer Jacobs  |  June 16, 2025  |  9:32 PM EDT


President Trump will cut short his trip to Canada for a meeting with world leaders and fly back to Washington late Monday, press secretary Karoline Leavitt said, citing "what's going on in the Middle East."

Mr. Trump arrived in Canada on Sunday for the annual G7 summit, and met with the leaders of Canada and the United Kingdom earlier Monday. But Leavitt said on X Monday night that the president would leave early, seeming to refer to the Israel-Iran conflict.

"Much was accomplished, but because of what's going on in the Middle East, President Trump will be leaving tonight after dinner with Heads of State," Leavitt wrote.

Asked on Monday why he's leaving the summit, Mr. Trump said, "I have to be back early for obvious reasons."

Leavitt said in a statement the president is returning to the capital to "attend to many important matters."

Secretary of State Marco Rubio is also heading back to Washington, a State Department spokesperson told CBS News.

The U.S. is not joining Israel's military offensive, U.S. officials told CBS News Monday evening. Despite reports that Mr. Trump asked the National Security Council and Situation Room to be readied upon his return to the White House, Cabinet members in the National Security Council are already on standby 24 hours a day —  .  .  .

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-cuts-g7-trip-short-israel-iran-middle-east/

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Comparing Christianity to Iran in the current times is imbecilic. While the two cultures may have had some similar sentiments centuries ago, today the faiths polar opposites of each other. It is foolish to believe that Islam and Christianity are similar faiths and cultures because they both await a messiah.

You really got lost in the weeds of a tangent here ⬆️ @240B  :laugh:   

Let me see if I can help you with this.  Here's your post, the one I responded to:

That's why so many countries in the world are terrified of Iran getting nuclear weapons. Mutually Assured Destruction theory does not work on the mullahs. They WANT Armageddon. They WANT the end of the world. No matter how many billions have to die for it.

My answer....

Isn't there a Christian sect watching and waiting for Armageddon against Israel so Jesus will come back @240B ?

My point:   Religion in politics is not found only in the Muslim world.  This ⬆️ Amercan Christian sect is formidable in size and influence with the power to choose candidates, determine election outcomes and pressure decisions affecting US policy toward Israel.

What, if anything, have I gotten wrong about this?




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It looks like Israel has achieved complete air superiority over Iran.

I wonder if that is opening the door for US bombers to take out the deepest underground facilities?

I also wonder if some of those facilities are in Tehran under the city?

Those are probably capabilities outside Israel's arsenal.

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This would be the prime target:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=562370.msg3185084#msg3185084
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I'll add that the neighboring Arab states likely want Iran's nuclear weapons ambitions buried or it will force them to go the nuclear route as well.

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We didn't go to war with Iraq over any WMD lie. 

We sure did.

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We sure did.

Again:

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ


SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This joint resolution may be cited as the ‘‘Authorization for
Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002’’.

SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS.
The Congress of the United States supports the efforts by
the President to—
(1) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security
Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq
and encourages him in those efforts; and
(2) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security
Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay,
evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies
with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) AUTHORIZATION.—The President is authorized to use the
Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary
and appropriate in order to—
(1) defend the national security of the United States against
the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.




In other words, ceasefire agreement violations.  Iraq was in violation of the cease fire agreement from the Gulf War.  But then you knew that already since this isn't the first time you have regurgitated this same false Democrat talking point on this website.
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Normally you don't publicly humiliate a surrendering enemy.  But in Iran's case I say strip the Mullahs bare ass naked and have 72 virgins take turns flogging them in the public square during the call to prayer.
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I don't believe reports that Trump told him "no."
Might be a way to get Iran tot he bargaining table. Have Trump appear as the voice of reason, the "good" cop.
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You really got lost in the weeds of a tangent here ⬆️ @240B  :laugh:   

Let me see if I can help you with this.  Here's your post, the one I responded to:

My answer....

My point:   Religion in politics is not found only in the Muslim world.  This ⬆️ Amercan Christian sect is formidable in size and influence with the power to choose candidates, determine election outcomes and pressure decisions affecting US policy toward Israel.

What, if anything, have I gotten wrong about this?

What you got hopelessly wrong is Christians are NOT trying to bring Armageddon to pass, particularly by murdering large numbers of people. They just understand that world events are making the possibility of Armageddon more real by the day.

Iran's mullahs have said they are actively trying to bring Armageddon to the world so Islam will fulfill its destiny.

To compare the two is sick.

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What you got hopelessly wrong is Christians are NOT trying to bring Armageddon to pass, particularly by murdering large numbers of people. They just understand that world events are making the possibility of Armageddon more real by the day.

Iran's mullahs have said they are actively trying to bring Armageddon to the world so Islam will fulfill its destiny.

To compare the two is sick.

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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but those who (mistakenly IMO) believe that Armageddon is some sort of 'final battle' also believe that this 'battle' will take place after the Rapture.  In other words, those Christians technically wouldn't be here for the battle, thus they wouldn't be waiting for it.

Personally, I believe the correct translation for Armageddon is 'the Sorrow of Meggido', describing the sorrow after the death of King Josiah.  That's my take, anyhoo.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but those who (mistakenly IMO) believe that Armageddon is some sort of 'final battle' also believe that this 'battle' will take place after the Rapture.  In other words, those Christians technically wouldn't be here for the battle, thus they wouldn't be waiting for it.

Personally, I believe the correct translation for Armageddon is 'the Sorrow of Meggido', describing the sorrow after the death of King Josiah.  That's my take, anyhoo.

I'm not particularly religious. Trying to equate Christianity to Islam is a bridge too far for me though. The US has had nuclear weapons for 80 years and has never attempted to fulfill some sort of prophecy with them to achieve Armageddon.

“President Ahmadinejad seems to think that the time is ripe for the 12th Imam’s reappearance and that, as president, he should play a role in opening the way for his return,” the journal said. “He is reported to have said in one of his cabinet sessions, ‘We have to turn Iran into a modern and divine country to be the model for all nations, and which will also serve as the basis for the return of the 12th Imam.’”

Like Bernard Lewis of Princeton, the Kairos authors said Ahmadinejad seems to believe “that the hand of God is guiding him to trigger a series of cataclysmic events which could precipitate the return of the 12th Imam. Only time will tell if this is his true conviction; but if he does hold such a view, his possession of nuclear weapons is a particularly scary prospect.”
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#BREAKING Russia says US has cancelled their planned new round of talks

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@DB

This would be the prime target:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=562370.msg3185084#msg3185084

Now that the US and Israel have given the Iranians a powerful incentive to develop nukes, they pretty much have to obliterate the underground facilities.  Best of luck with that endeavor.

However, the warning aimed at the residents of Tehran is utterly horrific.  Is Trump planning to nuke Tehran, or launch some gigantic assault that would kill tens of thousands of people?  He is ending his presidency this week. 

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What you got hopelessly wrong is Christians are NOT trying to bring Armageddon to pass, particularly by murdering large numbers of people.

If you say so, I'm not a member of this Christian sect so I've got to bow to your inside knowledge.  But, the members of this sect sure do get excited when it looks like Armageddon could begin ---in spite of the millions about to die,   :shrug:

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Now that the US and Israel have given the Iranians a powerful incentive to develop nukes, they pretty much have to obliterate the underground facilities.  Best of luck with that endeavor.

However, the warning aimed at the residents of Tehran is utterly horrific.  Is Trump planning to nuke Tehran, or launch some gigantic assault that would kill tens of thousands of people?  He is ending his presidency this week.

What???

Trump isn't going nuke Tehran and Iran has been pursuing nukes as fast as they can for 30 years. If talk was going to deter them that would have happened a long time ago.

The mullahs likely put their key nuclear facilities underground under the city using the civilians as shields. Having people evacuate minimizes the civilian casualties from bunker busters taking those facilities out. Just the opposite of your claim.

You can also bet they are trying to put together a nuke as fast as they can, perhaps recent intelligence suggest that is imminent, and Iran is stalling for time to complete it. If that is the case, it has to be stopped now.

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If you say so, I'm not a member of this Christian sect so I've got to bow to your inside knowledge.  But, the members of this sect sure do get excited when it looks like Armageddon could begin ---in spite of the millions about to die,   :shrug:

So now you got something against Christians as well as Jews.  Are you Muslim?
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What???

Trump isn't going nuke Tehran and Iran has been pursuing nukes as fast as they can for 30 years. If talk was going to deter them that would have happened a long time ago.

The mullahs likely put their key nuclear facilities underground under the city using the civilians as shields. Having people evacuate minimizes the civilian casualties from bunker busters taking those facilities out. Just the opposite of your claim.

Yeah, just like 90% of housing units Gaza were razed because those buildings were concealing tunnels and weaponry. 

30 years is a long time to be pursuing a bomb “as fast as they can” wouldn’t you say?  Those persian scientists must be paid by the hour. 

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So now you got something against Christians as well as Jews.

What do you think I have against Christians and Jews?  Be specific,  please.  Thanks.

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The mullahs likely put their key nuclear facilities underground under the city using the civilians as shields.


In case you aren't aware of what's nestled under civilian buildings in Tel Aviv, read on ---- @DB

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IDF headquarters hit by Iranian missile attack as Islamic Republic launches barrage of missiles at Tel Aviv
NY Post, Jun 13, 2025

Israel’s military headquarters may have been struck after Iran’s Islamic Republic unleashed a barrage of missiles on central Tel Aviv late Friday night.

Alarming footage shared on social media — and verified by The New York Times — showed a strike slamming into an area that houses several military sites, including the Israel Defense Forces’ main command center.

The videos suggest that at least one Iranian missile breached Israel’s air defenses and hit a sensitive command site in the heart of Tel Aviv.

Móre:  https://nypost.com/2025/06/13/world-news/idf-headquarters-hit-by-iranian-missile-attack-as-islamic-republic-launches-barrage-of-missiles-at-tel-aviv/

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Israel, in 2021, built its new IDF supreme command post in the heart of Tel Aviv, buried beneath blocks of civilian buildings.

Called the "Fortress of Zion," it was deliberately placed so it couldn't be attacked without seeming to target civilian sites.



2:53 PM · Jun 13, 2025

https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/1933598670144082016





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What do you think I have against Christians and Jews?  Be specific,  please.  Thanks.

Because all you do is trash them around here.
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Yeah, just like 90% of housing units Gaza were razed because those buildings were concealing tunnels and weaponry. 

Gaza needed to be razed.  Period.
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We didn't go to war with Iraq over any WMD lie. 

"Uranium yellow cake".  888blackhat

In February 2003, then-U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell addressed the UN Security Council, presenting what he described as evidence of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) program. This presentation included intelligence assessments, intercepted conversations, and visual aids like maps and photos, aiming to justify military action against Iraq. However, the presented evidence was later found to be flawed, and the UN inspectors ultimately did not find evidence of the claimed WMD stockpiles.

Powell's presentation to the UN Security Council was a pivotal moment in the lead-up to the Iraq War. He detailed Iraq's alleged violations of UN resolutions, its attempts to conceal WMD programs, and the potential for these weapons to fall into the hands of terrorists. He specifically highlighted Iraq's mobile weapons labs, UAVs for delivering biological weapons, and efforts to acquire nuclear weapons.




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Because all you do is trash them around here.

Example, please.

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Bibi sure is a master manipulator --- able to get the world's superpower to spill its own blood on his behalf.


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The superguns (Project Babylon) were real. Saddam had a plan. Imagine shells larger than a Volkswagen landing in your town. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Babylon

Russian Convoys to the Bekaa Valley and possible movement of chemical weapons, while not confirmed (and never will be) has been strongly suspected. Aging chemical munitions were found in Iraq, and Iraq had a track record of using chemical weapons against the Kurds. Whether the WMD threat was viable or not, there was reason to suspect the presence of WMDs at the onset of hostilities.
I'm no fan of Bush and the neocons, nor agencies that mislead in support of all that, but there was hostile intent, the means were being or had been constructed, the expertise was there.
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Trump isn't going to pay Iran shit. Trump is very much against nation-building and he has no tolerance for taking money away from Americans to pay some Senator's cousin 100 million dollars to rebuild houses in some warzone (which never seem to actually get built). You have to look to Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama/Biden for all that crap. They were famous for it.

By the way, although the money was allocated to rebuild this or that, very little of it actually made it overseas to where it was 'supposed' to go. Most of the money never left America. Trump knows what is really going on. He is not going to fall for those 'good ol boy' insider D.C. shell games.
It didn't take warfare for that grift to keep on grifting. How many shacks were constructed by the Clinton Foundation after the earthquake in Haiti? For just $19 a month, you, too can help some poor rat bastard live large, and they'll even send you a $2 Asian sweatshop crafted t-shirt to show the world what a sucker you are.
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Now that the US and Israel have given the Iranians a powerful incentive to develop nukes, they pretty much have to obliterate the underground facilities.  Best of luck with that endeavor.

However, the warning aimed at the residents of Tehran is utterly horrific.  Is Trump planning to nuke Tehran, or launch some gigantic assault that would kill tens of thousands of people?  He is ending his presidency this week.
Do you actually read the things you write, before you post? Iran has been working on Nukes for a minimum of 20 years. Iran wants to destroy Israel and has been pursuing that since the Shah was deposed. 
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All the talking heads channels are predicting something huge tonight.

More likely Thursday Friday or whenever the Nimitz arrives
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https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/1934770395334459872

That facility is too deep for any bomb that Israel has. They have something planned for this week that may be a raid on the facility.

I seen depths reported as variously 3 miles, 2 miles, 1/2 mile. So what depth it is actually at is somewhat obscure.
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New: Trump Gives Bombshell 1AM Presser, Slams Emmanuel Macron, Slaps Down 'Ceasefire' Reports

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2025/06/17/new-trump-gives-bombshell-1am-presser-slams-emmanuel-macron-slaps-down-iran-ceasefire-reports-n2190573

https://twitter.com/i/status/1934919351540273619

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That last quote also included this line when asked about DNI Tulsi Gabbard's assertion in March that Iran had no nuclear weapons program.

TRUMP: "I don't care what she said. I think they were very close to having them."




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