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Elon Musk, the billionaire tech mogul turned government efficiency czar, appears to be stepping back from his ambitious Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) initiative, and the evidence is stark in a series of screenshots that have set X ablaze. The Hodgetwins, known for their fiery conservative commentary, dropped the bombshell earlier today, sharing a post from Matt Van Swol that captured Musk’s frustration: “Did my best,” Musk wrote, a succinct admission of defeat that has conservatives reeling. The reason? A GOP unwilling to codify DOGE’s proposed cuts, leaving Musk—and Trump’s broader agenda—in a lurch.



Throwing in the towel? I seriously hope not. We never give up. Do you think this could be a bluff to the deep state?

Can other patriots please explain to me what our next steps are when it comes to DOGE? Been reading things but it's unclear what is going to happen next. Is there still a way we can get this codified?!

https://www.usasupreme.com/screenshots-reveal-elon-musk-is-throwing-in-the-towel-with-doge-heres-why/

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Frankly, I don't blame him. It's time for US to give Washington D. C. the Aegan stables treatment!
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Difference here is:

1) The Democrats keep their Party united by blackmail and extortion, including threats to family.

2) Republicans OTOH, write sternly worded letters.
"It aint what you don't know that kills you.  It's what you know that aint so!" ...Theodore Sturgeon

The idea that somebody looked at a purple onion and called it a red onion really bothers me.   

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Silicon Valley and DC are exact opposite environments.  Musk in DC was a toad swimming in salt water.

DC is an environment that is anti-thetical to the way things are done in Silicon Valley.

Beaucracy is structured to resist and obstruct radical, rapid change.  That's why business types are frustrated trying to get things done in DC.


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Difference here is:

1) The Democrats keep their Party united by blackmail and extortion, including threats to family.

2) Republicans OTOH, write sternly worded letters.


Nah... Republicans are easily distracted by Brylcreem and a Dentyne schwing. Whether it's Dear Leader or the RINOs they vote into power - Power that leaves them neutered and utterly without threat.

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Silicon Valley and DC are exact opposite environments.  Musk in DC was a toad swimming in salt water.

DC is an environment that is anti-thetical to the way things are done in Silicon Valley.

Beaucracy is structured to resist and obstruct radical, rapid change.  That's why business types are frustrated trying to get things done in DC.

Absolutely! Including entirely different languages. If you tell someone in Silicon Valley you are cutting their salary by 10% they know that they are going to get 10% less in the coming year but that isn't true in Washington at all.
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Nah... Republicans are easily distracted by Brylcreem and a Dentyne schwing. Whether it's Dear Leader or the RINOs they vote into power - Power that leaves them neutered and utterly without threat.



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Be flattered...you're the only one who came to mind!   tipping hat!! 
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The idea that somebody looked at a purple onion and called it a red onion really bothers me.   

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Be flattered...you're the only one who came to mind!   tipping hat!!

HAHAHA! A ridiculous notion, dood. Never in my life have I been thus accused. I've been an entrepreneur and employer all my life... since my teens. Agility and adaptation to change is every day. Loathe it? hell, I lived it, breathed it in, and wrote the damn check.

What it HAS made me is utterly immune to STUPID change, wrong-headed change, or change for change's sake, and wholly unencumbered by the addiction of following anything or anyone but merit.

That is Conservatism. It learns from past mistakes, and suffers no fools... Which is why we ain't headed in the same direction.  happy77

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HAHAHA! A ridiculous notion, dood. Never in my life have I been thus accused. I've been an entrepreneur and employer all my life... since my teens. Agility and adaptation to change is every day. Loathe it? hell, I lived it, breathed it in, and wrote the damn check.

What it HAS made me is utterly immune to STUPID change, wrong-headed change, or change for change's sake, and wholly unencumbered by the addiction of following anything or anyone but merit.

That is Conservatism. It learns from past mistakes, and suffers no fools... Which is why we ain't headed in the same direction.  happy77

Not talking about your conservative pedigree @roamer_1

Speaking about your uncompromising style ...not caring about the landscape/reality in which we live.

Like the Conestoga wagon manufacturer during the advent of automobiles.  Like Blockbuster storefronts during WIFI Streaming services.

Get with it, Brother! 
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The idea that somebody looked at a purple onion and called it a red onion really bothers me.   

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@roamer_1

Be flattered...you're the only one who came to mind!   tipping hat!!

Pretty sure Freud would be considered a conservative these days...

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Was Freud high on cocaine when he said/wrote that?

Historical re-enactment of Freud snorting Peruvian marching power:
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Not talking about your conservative pedigree @roamer_1

Speaking about your uncompromising style ...not caring about the landscape/reality in which we live.

Like the Conestoga wagon manufacturer during the advent of automobiles.  Like Blockbuster storefronts during WIFI Streaming services.

Get with it, Brother!

You're going the wrong way @DCPatriot - Against every Conservative principle. Same ol thing... Governing by EO makes y'all jump for joy - And shake your butts at Democrats... When it all disappears in four short years, my point will be proven yet again.
 But to no effect, I admit. Y'all are incapable of learning from past mistakes, and next time y'all will do the same damn thing.  :shrug:

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Beaucracy is structured to resist and obstruct radical, rapid change.  That's why business types are frustrated trying to get things done in DC.


Elon Musk is one of the richest, most brilliant men in the world.  That is a given.  But in the realm of operations improvement, he is a green pea.  Trump, who is easily impressed, i.e. Musk's reducing 80% of the workforce of a company he owned outright, big f***ing deal.

I have spent the better part of a lifetime streamlining operations in commercial and government operations, and the savings with the federal government could have been 3x, or 4x what Musk realized, with no drama, no lawsuits.  What he did was not even green pea quality work.  Almost everything will be undone by the courts, or a following administration.  Sad, but true.

What Trump/Musk have done is totally alienate a workforce of 12 million people working for the federal government.  And believe me, they are not already Dems.  Many are Republican, but they will not be voting Republican come November, 2026.  This is what comes of using folks way out of their element.  Musk should stick to engineering, because on operations improvement, he is clueless.

There is no reason improvements cannot be made in government operations.  I have done it many times, and there is a right approach, and a wrong approach, and then their is the Trump/Musk way, the wrong approach on steroids.  All of you on these boards get tired of me saying negative things, but I do not want Trump removed from office come February, 2027, and that is what he is building to.  All of you tend to forget the maxim it only takes one aw-sh*t to wipe out 1,000 that-a-boys.  Well, that is still a truism today, and you will see it happen.

The savings realized by Musk where there is abuse, fraud, etc, all that is brilliant.  But the efforts with the federal workforce, which I believe is a huge part of why Musk is leaving, those efforts are a disaster.  And it will be down hill until the election in November, 2026 unless the Trump people get advice on operations improvement from folks that know what they are talking about.

Threatening folks every day they come to work is idiotic.  That accomplishes a big fat nothing.  Actually, it reduces productivity dramatically, something Trump appears to be obtuse about.

I would love to sit with him and enlighten him.  It would take less than one hour to lay out an approach that would generate what he wants.  But I am not a billionaire.


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You're going the wrong way @DCPatriot - Against every Conservative principle. Same ol thing... Governing by EO makes y'all jump for joy - And shake your butts at Democrats... When it all disappears in four short years, my point will be proven yet again.
 But to no effect, I admit. Y'all are incapable of learning from past mistakes, and next time y'all will do the same damn thing.  :shrug:

@roamer_1

The news cycle now is 24/7/365  They're already talking about consequences for governing by EO.

So we're in a position to have to sign MORE of them in order to show the American Voter that they'll benefit before November '26 gets here.

You're not going to achieve that by doing things that will see you in the minority and sitting there helpless...YOUR way!!


Show them daily the stark contrast between the two ideologies.  Not in the abstract, either!

Scream "NO TAX ON TIPS and OVERTIME!"  That every Democrat voted against it.

To an entire generation or two, Donald Trump is fast becoming the same glowing figure that Ronald Reagan projected to us when replacing Jimmy Carter.

Prediction:

President Trump will win the hearts and mind of most of America. 

Amnesty after SWAT-like raids to get the gangs, etc.. Maybe even sign Amnesty by EO.

"We'll have those Hispanics voting Republican for 200 years!"


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Was Freud high on cocaine when he said/wrote that?

Historical re-enactment of Freud snorting Peruvian marching power:


Folks had an interesting approach to drugs in those days... if it made them feel good, then it was good! Heroin, cocaine, etc. For doctors and for laypeople! Heroin was named because it made the discoverer (same guy who invented aspirin) feel "heroic", which it probably did. And heroin was a brand name medicine that Bayer was very proud of!

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@roamer_1

The news cycle now is 24/7/365  They're already talking about consequences for governing by EO.

So we're in a position to have to sign MORE of them in order to show the American Voter that they'll benefit before November '26 gets here.


Gonna be damn hard to do when the Dems take over one of the houses in the mid terms, @DCPatriot  ... And the media preaches for em yet again. I dunno why y'all can't see farther than your noses... This is following the very same script as last time - To include a new virulent strain of COVID poppin up in the wings.

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You're not going to achieve that by doing things that will see you in the minority and sitting there helpless...YOUR way!![/size]


I'm in the minority either way. Always have been. Republicans don't represent me, as a rule, any more than the Democrats do... So no threat there. Conservatives represent me. I want more of that.

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Show them daily the stark contrast between the two ideologies.  Not in the abstract, either!

Scream "NO TAX ON TIPS and OVERTIME!"  That every Democrat voted against it.

To an entire generation or two, Donald Trump is fast becoming the same glowing figure that Ronald Reagan projected to us when replacing Jimmy Carter.


Except Reagan was the real deal. Tumpy is a media driven carnival barker.

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Prediction:

President Trump will win the hearts and mind of most of America. 

Amnesty after SWAT-like raids to get the gangs, etc.. Maybe even sign Amnesty by EO.

"We'll have those Hispanics voting Republican for 200 years!"[/size]

Prediction:

Tumpy will never garner 60%. I don't think he will get to 50... If he does, very low 50. That's incremental movement. Popularity is a stupid marker.

Republicans will lose the house or the senate, or both, at the midterm. And a Democrat will ascend to the next president.

Tumpy is already roped in, and will govern by EO, passing nothing other than stupidly expensive  budgets, and the next administration will overturn everything he did - *JUST* like last time.

The problem with populism is that it cannot see down the road.


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LOL!  @roamer_1

Let's hope we both live long enough to see who's right and wrong! 


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LOL!  @roamer_1

Let's hope we both live long enough to see who's right and wrong! 


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I don't need to see... I already know.  :laugh:

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Gonna be damn hard to do when the Dems take over one of the houses in the mid terms, @DCPatriot  ... And the media preaches for em yet again. I dunno why y'all can't see farther than your noses... This is following the very same script as last time - To include a new virulent strain of COVID poppin up in the wings.

I'm in the minority either way. Always have been. Republicans don't represent me, as a rule, any more than the Democrats do... So no threat there. Conservatives represent me. I want more of that.

Except Reagan was the real deal. Tumpy is a media driven carnival barker.

Prediction:

Tumpy will never garner 60%. I don't think he will get to 50... If he does, very low 50. That's incremental movement. Popularity is a stupid marker.

Republicans will lose the house or the senate, or both, at the midterm. And a Democrat will ascend to the next president.

Tumpy is already roped in, and will govern by EO, passing nothing other than stupidly expensive  budgets, and the next administration will overturn everything he did - *JUST* like last time.

The problem with populism is that it cannot see down the road.
It takes constant action to retain populism. Unfortunately, that will only go so far as the EOs, if that. Without the Congress on board, without taking the best ideas and codifying them, we will see a repeat of 45's mid-terms, and this will, frankly, STILL be the fault of the GOP in Congress. History is repeating itself, and unfortunately, there's a bigger mess than the last time around. I'd wager that trillions have been siphoned out of the public coffers to back the Left. 

If the GOP does not get it's dung in a heap, the post-midterm mess will be a repeat of last time, with the added flavor of Federal Judges blocking any progress they can toward cleaning up the mess the Biden Administration (not Biden, the kingmakers) made.

The money trails Musk's group pointed out are only the beginning of the trails, and those trails should lead to a host of criminal convictions of people who have been robbing us all. I'm not seeing that, only more investigations that lead to nowhere.
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It takes constant action to retain populism. Unfortunately, that will only go so far as the EOs, if that. Without the Congress on board, without taking the best ideas and codifying them, we will see a repeat of 45's mid-terms, and this will, frankly, STILL be the fault of the GOP in Congress. History is repeating itself, and unfortunately, there's a bigger mess than the last time around. I'd wager that trillions have been siphoned out of the public coffers to back the Left. 

If the GOP does not get it's dung in a heap, the post-midterm mess will be a repeat of last time, with the added flavor of Federal Judges blocking any progress they can toward cleaning up the mess the Biden Administration (not Biden, the kingmakers) made.

The money trails Musk's group pointed out are only the beginning of the trails, and those trails should lead to a host of criminal convictions of people who have been robbing us all. I'm not seeing that, only more investigations that lead to nowhere.

Again...it was a PROFOUND experience for my generation as teens who had left home and been supporting themselves for the first time.

All of sudden, you could only buy gas and wait in hours long lines depending on an odd/even last number on your plate.

And your POTUS put on a shawl collar cardigan and said "We're in a period of malaise!" 

And 30yr fixed mortgage rates with upwards 13%

Fun times!! 

Ronald Reagan, in sharp contrast to the Democrats at that stage of my life, was a life-changing godsend.

A mid-thirties American today will appreciate experiencing the same...TODAY!

Donald Trump is historical. 

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   I thought I read today that Elon was gonna stick w/Trump's Administration as an unpaid Advisor, like Ivanka did in his first term.
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It takes constant action to retain populism. Unfortunately, that will only go so far as the EOs, if that. Without the Congress on board, without taking the best ideas and codifying them, we will see a repeat of 45's mid-terms, and this will, frankly, STILL be the fault of the GOP in Congress. History is repeating itself, and unfortunately, there's a bigger mess than the last time around. I'd wager that trillions have been siphoned out of the public coffers to back the Left. 

If the GOP does not get it's dung in a heap, the post-midterm mess will be a repeat of last time, with the added flavor of Federal Judges blocking any progress they can toward cleaning up the mess the Biden Administration (not Biden, the kingmakers) made.

The money trails Musk's group pointed out are only the beginning of the trails, and those trails should lead to a host of criminal convictions of people who have been robbing us all. I'm not seeing that, only more investigations that lead to nowhere.

That's exactly right == All hat and no cattle. And that ain't cussin him per se... But it is the ever-living flaw of populism. You need a machine to codify law in DC, and to codify is the only thing really that is permanent. EO's are subject to the lifespan of a mayfly.

And for the past many years, Dang near since the 92 Congress, that's been business as usual - Worthless and doing nothing to staunch the bleeding. Would that the TEA party had carried on. THAT was the right way, and the Right way.

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The savings realized by Musk where there is abuse, fraud, etc, all that is brilliant.


That ain't actually savings you know... It all kicks back into the Department budget or back into the General fund to be spent some other way... And don't think they ain't gonna spend it.

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All of that could be easily solved, if Republicans could actually govern. But that seems to be a prospect they run away from as a matter of form.
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That ain't actually savings you know... It all kicks back into the Department budget or back into the General fund to be spent some other way... And don't think they ain't gonna spend it.
Oh, they will. 'Pubbies are just as eager to bring a slab of bacon home to their districts and use it come election.

But if they can keep from increasing the d@mn overall budget that would be something. Not the Democrat 'cuts' from a 20% increase to just a 10% increase (calling the smaller increase a 'cut', but actual reductions in the amount spent.

You would think just plugging up the NGO money siphoning schemes would work, defunding DEI and other damaging programs and getting rid of other forms of fraud (like the fraud that has been gobbling up Social Security money, aside from just robbing those funds by Congress) would knock hundreds of billions off the budget. Cutting Department budgets and positions and reducing their exposure to scams like suing the EPA, getting handed a multimillion dollar 'settlement' and channeling that money from the plaintiff organization back into the DNC, skimmed every step along the way, would reduce the need for so much, but at the same time, there is much included in the Preamble under the duties of the Federal Government that has been sorely neglected while money has been pissed away elsewhere. That will eat up some of the difference.
Unfortunately, getting the Congress to actually cut spending is unlikely, even though it'd be a winner among the voters. They are in their pampered DC bubble, farther removed than royalty from the serfs, and just don't get how $20 can be the difference between eating and not eating for a week. They are tone deaf, some far more than others.

If the GOP wanted to step up and win in the mid terms, they'd find a way to codify as much of the stack of EOs as they can, but I think they like being impotent, because that way they think they don't have to perform.
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