Microsoft's Dirty Secret: Your Old PC is Now Trash! ~ Dave's Garage (Video)

[corbe]

Microsoft's Dirty Secret: Your Old PC is Now Trash!

Dave's Garage
518,170 views  May 5, 2025
Retired Windows developer Dave Plummer explains the Windows TPM Trap that is rendering certain computers obsolete.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGj0rVZGfuk

[Elderberry]

Not trash yet. I'm still running Windows 10.

[Hoodat]

Will Microsoft be issuing rebates for the licenses they sold but are now intentionally sabotaging?  I seem to recall no time statute of limitations on their original EULAs.

[roamer_1]

BTW, y'all... It ain't hard to make Windows 11 ignore the prerequisites wrt processor, TPM2, etc., and install anyway. Even an upgrade installation. The street has already gone around the false flags. Windows 11 will run pretty much on any 'i' series Intel and 8g of ram - Though 16g is way mobedda.

I have installed it 'bandit' on all of my old hardware, and it went in on every one of them, and flawlessly... Now, I didn't KEEP them in Win 11, but went through months of updates and satisfied myself that it was all working properly.

[MeganC]

Anyone still running in 32 bit?

[Smokin Joe]

The thing he did not quite touch on is the virtual monopoly the Chinese have on rare earths used to make chips. Arbitrarily forcing hardware obsolescence will only increase demand for new hardware, and with that, rare earths. Cui bono? China.

[Sighlass]

I guess one could just go something like Lexus if the machine is still a good machine and you don't want to abandon a good working computer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_operating_systems

[roamer_1]

Anyone still running in 32 bit?

Heck, I still run DOS from time to time. 

[roamer_1]

It ain't hardly worth the trouble. As a general rule Win 11 will run on 8th gen intel...

I just bought an HP Elitebook 850 i5 8th gen with 24g ram for 130 bucks on EBAY, Another 30 bucks for an NVMe 512g drive... installed Win11 in about 20 minutes.. SO happy. It's a joy to play on. It's my favorite machine now... for 160 bucks. In spite of Win11.

for those of you with just a machine or two, there is plenty of used machinery out there that is 8th gen intel or better... and it's cheap. Just make the jump. It's coming anyway.

I'm a different fish. There's 8 (I think) active boxen in this house... Currently only one is Win11 (legally). I have a ways to go, and it won't entirely be fixed by attrition. 

[MeganC]

Heck, I still run DOS from time to time. 

I'm referring to pre-2010 32-bit architecture. 

[roamer_1]

I'm referring to pre-2010 32-bit architecture. 

Actually some windows phones and tablets were 32bit till recently.  I don't recall but I think my surface installed 32bit. It's been a while, so I could be wrong. Had a little Yoga 11e that I think was 32bit too... Not unlikely on little things.

[Bigun]

I just successfully updated the wife's windows 10 laptop to windows 11.

Microsoft said the computer didn't meet Windows 11 system requirements but using an app called Flyby11, downloaded from GitHub I got it done in less than an hour from start to finish.

Super clear instructions in video below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_p3dBrr_Sg

[corbe]

   Saw that video by Flyby11 a couple of days ago. Looks easy enough and you can keep your DATA.  I was gonna build an I7 in the coming months (<$1K) to replace my Xeon (12 cores) but I think I'll save the $$$ and buy a GF instead.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Will Microsoft be issuing rebates for the licenses they sold but are now intentionally sabotaging?  I seem to recall no time statute of limitations on their original EULAs.

Sue them in small claims court.

[Bigun]

   Saw that video by Flyby11 a couple of days ago. Looks easy enough and you can keep your DATA.  I was gonna build an I7 in the coming months (<$1K) to replace my Xeon (12 cores) but I think I'll save the $$$ and buy a GF instead.

Worked perfectly in my case. I thought I might have to replace a perfectly functioning high end HP computer but not now.

[DefiantMassRINO]

There are ways around the TPM 2.0 requirement.

The computer I am typing this on is running Windows 11 without TPM.

[Smokin Joe]

Bookmarked for dealing with future issues. All my machines are running Win 10 or earlier (a bunch of XPs survive) and I even have a Win 95 machine somewhere.

[roamer_1]

   Saw that video by Flyby11 a couple of days ago. Looks easy enough and you can keep your DATA.  I was gonna build an I7 in the coming months (<$1K) to replace my Xeon (12 cores) but I think I'll save the $$$ and buy a GF instead.

I just watched it too... seems no different than the RUFUS method - I'm sure you are aware of the Rufus USB formatting tool for making boot disks of any sort, if you don't already have it in your kit.

Same sort of thing... DL the ISO from MS

Download the latest Rufus, run it, and point it at the installation ISO...

If it is a Windows 11 media, Rufus offers some tasty options, to include the ones needed to overlook installation barriers, and a few others, like an alteration to let you create local accounts instead of having to give an MS email account to log into (that's a big one for me).

Now, all that seems pointed toward a fresh installation, but simply navigate to the created USB, and run setup from there, and it will do an upgrade installation, letting you keep your files, and without booting to the USB stick.

I may have said before that I favor the Rufus method. 

[roamer_1]

Bookmarked for dealing with future issues. All my machines are running Win 10 or earlier (a bunch of XPs survive) and I even have a Win 95 machine somewhere.

Same boat. Only one of my machines is legit running Win11 natively.
Another two are running Win11 by bypassed restrictions - All the rest are staying Win10 for now, and for the foreseeable future. I care about my main whip and my two laptops - All the rest will be converted by attrition.

I simply will not buy into any hardware lower than intel i series gen 8. That's the dividing line. i3/5/7 gen 8 will take win11 natively.

And that ain't hard money. This box I am on is i5, and I bought it for $130 without a HDD (lease end bulk sale of some sort). It is absolutely pristine. Bought an m2 HDD stick, stuck it in there, and fired it up. No problems. All told, maybe $175, and it's my favorite box ever.

I will keep doing that as I go, waiting for the right boxen to come down the river and catching the deals as they come... 

[MeganC]

Linux Red Hat or Ubuntu will work on these older computers.

[Bigun]

Linux Red Hat or Ubuntu will work on these older computers.

Can I run Microsoft Word on either of them?

[Bigun]

@roamer_1 @MeganC @corbe

Anyone have experience with Linux Mint Cinnamon edition?

[corbe]

   I don't @Bigun

[Fishrrman]

Bigun, get yourself a MacBook Pro.

And none of this "I won't buy Apple" b.s.
Rush loved Apple products and the Mac OS, and it didn't hurt him.
Nor... me.

MBP comes in m4 and m4pro versions.
For apps that are "single-threaded", they both perform the same.
The m4pro is better at multi-threaded applications, but will run warmer.

My 2021 MacBook Pro (m1pro) stays almost "cold-to-the-touch" nearly all the time.

For text and word processing and browsing and watching videos, 16gb should be enough RAM.
For image and video processing, get more... 24 or 32.

These should come with at least a 512gb SSD. I have that in mine, all I need.
But my MBP is just my secondary Mac.
If you're going to store lots of pics or videos, 1tb SSD is worth paying for.

[Bigun]

Bigun, get yourself a MacBook Pro.

And none of this "I won't buy Apple" b.s.
Rush loved Apple products and the Mac OS, and it didn't hurt him.
Nor... me.

MBP comes in m4 and m4pro versions.
For apps that are "single-threaded", they both perform the same.
The m4pro is better at multi-threaded applications, but will run warmer.

My 2021 MacBook Pro (m1pro) stays almost "cold-to-the-touch" nearly all the time.

For text and word processing and browsing and watching videos, 16gb should be enough RAM.
For image and video processing, get more... 24 or 32.

These should come with at least a 512gb SSD. I have that in mine, all I need.
But my MBP is just my secondary Mac.
If you're going to store lots of pics or videos, 1tb SSD is worth paying for.

I have a Dell Precision with 32gb of ram running W11 Pro that I love.

Never owned an Apple product of any kind and never will. I have an older W10 PC that I'm toying with the idea of installing Mint, Cinamon edition just for giggles. @Fishrrman 

[andy58-in-nh]

Worked perfectly in my case. I thought I might have to replace a perfectly functioning high end HP computer but not now.

I just did the same thing. I've got a processor (AMD Ryzen 5 2400G with Radeon Vega Graphics) that Windows said was not supported. But I am now running Windows 11 and everything looks great!

[Bigun]

I just did the same thing. I've got a processor (AMD Ryzen 5 2400G with Radeon Vega Graphics) that Windows said was not supported. But I am now running Windows 11 and everything looks great!

 

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1 @MeganC @corbe

Anyone have experience with Linux Mint Cinnamon edition?

Yep, @Bigun ... But just fair to middlin.

[Bigun]

Yep, @Bigun ... But just fair to middlin.

Not sure what you mean @roamer_1

[roamer_1]

I have an older W10 PC that I'm toying with the idea of installing Mint, Cinamon edition just for giggles.

DO IT!. 

@Bigun , if you have never been on a linux machine, it's different.  And generally a fun experience, providing that it goes well in the first place. If it has any bumps in the install, you'll fight em till the cows come home.

So two recommendations:

1.) Buy a sacrificial drive - M2., SATA, whatever you need. Anything under 1T is cheap as dirt anyway. Yes it can install alongside of windows, or into windows, or whatever, but if anything goes wrong, you've borked em both...

Too complicated. So just take out the win drive, and install a different drive instead - if you want to go back, it is as easy as installing the old drive. If you want to dual boot, well, that's best from separate drives anyhow, and a game for another day.

And you are gonna rub it off a few times, getting started. If you're newbie, you will make mistakes you won't know how to fix, so consider the whole install to be volatile till you get better at running it... If you ain't saving anything in it, and you bork it, it's 20 minutes away from new again.

2) And spend some time on the installation media - it's a pretty full version of what you are going to install (close enough)... Sure, it's gonna run way slow... it's running from USB, and maybe even USB2.0 (which will be damn slow)... But look around a bit. and get used to it... If everything works from the installation media, it is going to work from the install. So do some crap... log on the network, play some media... Run some stuff. Monkeyfart around before you pull the trigger. When you are sure it found all your drivers, THEN take the decision.

I wish you well... I think you will be delighted. 

[roamer_1]

Not sure what you mean @roamer_1

You asked if anybody has experience on Linux Mint (Cinnamon).

Yes, I do but I am not good on it... Not like I am in Windows. I am no expert... maybe sitting at super-user level or so.. 

[Bigun]

DO IT!. 

@Bigun , if you have never been on a linux machine, it's different.  And generally a fun experience, providing that it goes well in the first place. If it has any bumps in the install, you'll fight em till the cows come home.

So two recommendations:

1.) Buy a sacrificial drive - M2., SATA, whatever you need. Anything under 1T is cheap as dirt anyway. Yes it can install alongside of windows, or into windows, or whatever, but if anything goes wrong, you've borked em both...

Too complicated. So just take out the win drive, and install a different drive instead - if you want to go back, it is as easy as installing the old drive. If you want to dual boot, well, that's best from separate drives anyhow, and a game for another day.

And you are gonna rub it off a few times, getting started. If you're newbie, you will make mistakes you won't know how to fix, so consider the whole install to be volatile till you get better at running it... If you ain't saving anything in it, and you bork it, it's 20 minutes away from new again.

2) And spend some time on the installation media - it's a pretty full version of what you are going to install (close enough)... Sure, it's gonna run way slow... it's running from USB, and maybe even USB2.0 (which will be damn slow)... But look around a bit. and get used to it... If everything works from the installation media, it is going to work from the install. So do some crap... log on the network, play some media... Run some stuff. Monkeyfart around before you pull the trigger. When you are sure it found all your drivers, THEN take the decision.

I wish you well... I think you will be delighted. 

Thanks @roamer_1 I think I'll do it one day next week just to learn.

[roamer_1]

I just did the same thing. I've got a processor (AMD Ryzen 5 2400G with Radeon Vega Graphics) that Windows said was not supported. But I am now running Windows 11 and everything looks great!

All y'all must be sure to understand: You ARE running bandit... this is beyond MS's recommendation. They could choose to enforce it at some point. I don't think they would do anything that would explode your machine or anything, but they may well stop updates, even critical updates... Maybe aux ms stuff will quit working - like antivirus, or something... Who knows?

So there is risk here. I have been giving MS the fat finger of defiance all the way along, So I will take the risk. If they pull the trigger on it, I'm alright with that, and ready to do otherwise.

But y'all have to understand that might come. 

[roamer_1]

Thanks @roamer_1 I think I'll do it one day next week just to learn.

A very fertile field to plow, @Bigun . I think you will be surprised how sophisticated Linux is - In many ways, it surpasses MS by a long shot. Have fun, and let me know how it goes. If you need help, I will give what I can, though that may mean a phone call. I'm alright with that. 

[Bigun]

A very fertile field to plow, @Bigun . I think you will be surprised how sophisticated Linux is - In many ways, it surpasses MS by a long shot. Have fun, and let me know how it goes. If you need help, I will give what I can, though that may mean a phone call. I'm alright with that. 

 

[DB]

All y'all must be sure to understand: You ARE running bandit... this is beyond MS's recommendation. They could choose to enforce it at some point. I don't think they would do anything that would explode your machine or anything, but they may well stop updates, even critical updates... Maybe aux ms stuff will quit working - like antivirus, or something... Who knows?

So there is risk here. I have been giving MS the fat finger of defiance all the way along, So I will take the risk. If they pull the trigger on it, I'm alright with that, and ready to do otherwise.

But y'all have to understand that might come. 

One update away from inoperable...

[roamer_1]

One update away from inoperable...

Well, sorta. Worse case scenario is rub it off and go back to win10 

That ain't hard for me... All of my volatile data backs to the cloud anyway, and all my fat data - The stuff that is in storage that does not move much - All that is off of my system drive anyway, as a matter of system prudence...

So a rub don't ever hurt that bad. Just reloading the system and the programs, and setting up variables and settings... An hour, and a couple days of messin with it till it's right (for me)...

But a whole lot of folks don't use those practices... And if not, a rub is murder. 

[Kamaji]

@roamer_1 @MeganC @corbe

Anyone have experience with Linux Mint Cinnamon edition?

I have an old Lenovo laptop that I put Mint on and it runs like a dream on the older hardware.

It was a pretty seamless transition from Windows to Mint linux for me; the only real thing missing was word processing - Libre office is pretty good, but even when I saved documents on MS Word in .odf format, it wasn't quite the same when I tried to open them in Libre office.

But that was just one small peccadillo, and if I had used the web-based version of MS office, it wouldn't have been an issue at all.

Totally do it if you have an old machine.  You may never go back to Windoze.

[Bigun]

I have an old Lenovo laptop that I put Mint on and it runs like a dream on the older hardware.

It was a pretty seamless transition from Windows to Mint linux for me; the only real thing missing was word processing - Libre office is pretty good, but even when I saved documents on MS Word in .odf format, it wasn't quite the same when I tried to open them in Libre office.

But that was just one small peccadillo, and if I had used the web-based version of MS office, it wouldn't have been an issue at all.

Totally do it if you have an old machine.  You may never go back to Windoze.

Thanks @Kamaji Like many others I got trapped by MS because of work but would like nothing better than to give them the finger if I can figure out how to do it. One complication for me is the better half who is not quite as technically savvy as I am and I'm still a novice myself. Have you tried the Google office suite?

[Kamaji]

Thanks @Kamaji Like many others I got trapped by MS because of work but would like nothing better than to give them the finger if I can figure out how to do it. One complication for me is the better half who is not quite as technically savvy as I am and I'm still a novice myself. Have you tried the Google office suite?

No, I haven't; sorry.

[Bigun]

No, I haven't; sorry.

There is one out there called "Only Office" which, I'm told, is very much like MS Office except it's free.  You might want to check that out.

[roamer_1]

There is one out there called "Only Office" which, I'm told, is very much like MS Office except it's free.  You might want to check that out.

@Bigun
The only thing that is an office suite that is a reasonable replacement is OpenOffice (which runs on both Linux and Windows) - You can download and install it right now if you'd like... But it is not a perfect replacement. It can save in MSOffice formats, but not always very well.

Most all the others are a derivative of OpenOffice (Libre Office as an example) one way or another.

GoogleDocs are another thing altogether. They are web based, and if you are going to do that, you might as well just stay in MS Office and use it from it's free web based resources.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Thanks @Kamaji Like many others I got trapped by MS because of work but would like nothing better than to give them the finger if I can figure out how to do it. One complication for me is the better half who is not quite as technically savvy as I am and I'm still a novice myself. Have you tried the Google office suite?

Yes Google office sweet is what I use rather than pay for MS stuff.