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Wrong.  It was the Ukrainian Parliament that postponed the election due to wartime conditions, just like Great Britain did in 1940, leaving Winston Churchill in office as Prime Minister until July 1945.



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Ukrainian men haven't been permitted to leave the country for three years, literally dragged back across the border when they tried in the beginning of the fighting --- and Zzman canceled all elections, lest he be voted out and the death and destruction could end @berdi.  This is "willingness"??


I won't comment on parts of this post since other have already done so, @Right_in_Virginia , But I will say this...

I find it disturbing that you would doubt the patriotism of the Ukranian army and people. You may want to run that sentiment by the multitudes of Ukes who were not living in the country at the time it was invaded...but went home to fight. And yes, I know several personally.

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I don't know why you're so bent out of shape.   You're among the global strategists around here who have spent years relentlessly working to convince me the Soviet Union is alive and remains the dastardly threat to the United States it always has been ---- proving Reagan's accomplishment is inflated.  :shrug:

Bent out of shape?  How would you see that in my simple statement?

I’m a global strategist?  Wow, thanks.  Years?  I’ve only been involved here no more than 2 years.  Never tried to convince anyone the USSR is alive.  But knowing it has lots of communists remaining…would know it’s best to be on guard for at least 50 years.

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I find it disturbing that you would doubt the patriotism of the Ukranian army and people. You may want to run that sentiment by the multitudes of Ukes who were not living in the country at the time it was invaded...but went home to fight. And yes, I know several personally.

 @berdie

Ukraine is split.  Not only was the outbreak of this conflict fed by Ukraine's escalation of the country's civil war, the carnage and bloody soil have taken their toll. To insist on fighting a war you cannot win, lose a generation of men you cannot replace, and turn cities into ruble you cannot retore should be a war crime, and we should not be part of it.

FWIT to you, here's a slice of American patriotism:  --  We, as a nation, can no longer afford to be Euro-centric.  We have our nation to save and another crawling all over our global neighborhood to stop.  Let Europe handle the affairs of Europe, including Eastern European border disputes, without our money, weapons or intervention.




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@berdie

Ukraine is split.  Not only was the outbreak of this conflict fed by Ukraine's escalation of the country's civil war, the carnage and bloody soil have taken their toll. 

Complete and utter nonsense.


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To insist on fighting a war you cannot win, lose a generation of men you cannot replace, and turn cities into ruble you cannot retore should be a war crime, and we should not be part of it.

So you would label Winston Churchill as a war criminal?  He did the same thing for Britain that Zelensky is now doing for Ukraine.

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FWIT to you, here's a slice of American patriotism:  --  We, as a nation, can no longer afford to be Euro-centric.  We have our nation to save and another crawling all over our global neighborhood to stop.  Let Europe handle the affairs of Europe, including Eastern European border disputes, without our money, weapons or intervention.

Except that history teaches us that modern European and Asian history and conflicts do not respect American isolation.  I guess you forgot about Pearl Harbor and the German U-Boat menace of World War I.
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Complete and utter nonsense.

Now that you're wearing the shoes, click your heels three times and whisper "there's no place like home". 

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So you would label Winston Churchill as a war criminal?  He did the same thing for Britain that Zelensky is now doing for Ukraine.

Churchill most certainly did NOT.  Churchill made his case to a United States administration and the American people followed.  Zelensky has neither.

Zelensky floats around the world begging for money to fund his corrupt government in the name of a glorious war --- or he'll play the piano in the official dining room.  If you really want to help the Ukrainian bullshit!ter, open a Go Fund Me account in his name.

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Except that history teaches us that modern European and Asian history and conflicts do not respect American isolation.

You need to improve your comprehension acumen.

Once again:  Addressing our own problems and neutralizing international threats in our own backyard is not isolationism. 

We simply haven't the need or the time to babysit this European monstrosity or further indulge your fond memories of WWII.

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Realpolitik:
Ukraine isn't getting all of its territory back.
The Russian-speaking areas are going to remain under Russian control.

If the rest of Europe wants to start a world war over this -- up to and including nuclear war -- that's fine with me. Let them destroy each other. We should STAY OUT of it.

Hmmmm....
As part of a peace plan, why not let the people of the Donbas and Crimea have an election, to determine which side they wish their allegiance to be...?
Let the Muslims vote on who keeps London, too.

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Churchill most certainly did NOT.

Ohhhhh yes he did!

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1940v03/d20


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Zelensky floats around the world begging for money to fund his corrupt government in the name of a glorious war --- or he'll play the piano in the official dining room. 

Total hysterical nonsense.

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We simply haven't the need or the time to babysit this European monstrosity or further indulge your fond memories of WWII.

You're one sick puppy.   **nononono*
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Its like 47 has been indoors all his life playing cards, then he's asked to step outside and join a football game in progress as the quarterback, blinded by the bright light he throws the ball any direction he happens to be facing at that moment, does not matter who catches it as long as its is caught, and the game over. Now he stands and awaits the applause from the packed stadium - even though he threw the ball to the opposing team who just won the game. He acts shocked that people boo him and turn their backs.

He has never read history, nor spent one minute reviewing recent world history and the history of Russia in particular, or has fallen completely in love with Putin - head over heels in love. Or he is just a child playing with toy soldiers all lined up in formations, but let one soldier be out of order or have a tarnished uniform or the wrong uniform, and he reigns holly hell on the poor soldier's head. "He's a horrible soldier."

There is no way to make any sense out of his pronouncements on the war. The only thing is that makes sense is a burning desire to be rewarded at any cost [ to others ], no matter the consequences that flow from his actions, pronouncements, and decisions.

Its plain he wants to be recognized as a great peacemaker and awarded the Noble Peace Prize.
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Ukraine is split.

Split by Russia.


Not only was the outbreak of this conflict fed by Ukraine's escalation of the country's civil war

A lie.  There was no conflict until Russia got involved.


the carnage and bloody soil have taken their toll.

Carnage initiated solely by Russia.


To insist on fighting a war you cannot win, lose a generation of men you cannot replace, and turn cities into ruble you cannot retore should be a war crime

Agreed.  Which is why Russia should cease and desist immediately.


FWIT to you, here's a slice of American patriotism:  --  We, as a nation, can no longer afford to be Euro-centric.  We have our nation to save and another crawling all over our global neighborhood to stop.  Let Europe handle the affairs of Europe, including Eastern European border disputes, without our money, weapons or intervention.

Famous words of American isolationists in 1939.

Personally, i believe World War should be prevented.  Clearly, you do not.  But by all means, keep drinking the Obama Kool-Aid.  Because it is crystal clear that you embrace his foreign policy when it comes to Eastern Europe.

Meanwhile:

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Ohhhhh yes he did!

Total hysterical nonsense.

You're one sick puppy.   **nononono*

We simply haven't the need or the time to babysit this European monstrosity or further indulge your fond memories of WWII.

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We simply haven't the need or the time to babysit this European monstrosity or further indulge your fond memories of WWII.

Yeah, let's just ignore history and its lessons, and see how well that works out for the U.S. again...
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@berdie

Ukraine is split.  Not only was the outbreak of this conflict fed by Ukraine's escalation of the country's civil war, the carnage and bloody soil have taken their toll. To insist on fighting a war you cannot win, lose a generation of men you cannot replace, and turn cities into ruble you cannot retore should be a war crime, and we should not be part of it.

FWIT to you, here's a slice of American patriotism:  --  We, as a nation, can no longer afford to be Euro-centric.  We have our nation to save and another crawling all over our global neighborhood to stop.  Let Europe handle the affairs of Europe, including Eastern European border disputes, without our money, weapons or intervention.


@Right_in_Virginia


Interesting response since we were discussing Uke patriotism. Most Ukes do not want to live under Russian rule.

If the "civil war" you are referring to is the Russian backed conflict in Donbas what has that to do with the desire to take over a sovereign country? The bottom line is that Ukraine was invaded. I don't care if you like Z or not.

Yes we as a country do need to worry.  Russia is aligned with China, North Korea and Iran.  And they have a leader that seems to want to rebuild their country as it was.

I am very patriotic. I believe that our country should keep its word to remain relevant in the world (Budapest Papers). If that changed, it should have been after the seizure of Crimea.

In another post you suggested that I educate myself and not read Uke news, assuming that I had no knowledge of the situation. May I suggest to you that you get off Russian news and Truth Social.  I will be very amused when DJT changes his stance. He has, for today, but that could change tomorrow.

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If the "civil war" you are referring to is the Russian backed conflict in Donbas what has that to do with the desire to take over a sovereign country? The bottom line is that Ukraine was invaded.

In 2014.  All because they wanted to join the EU.
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@Right_in_Virginia

If the "civil war" you are referring to is the Russian backed conflict in Donbas what has that to do with the desire to take over a sovereign country? The bottom line is that Ukraine was invaded.

Dig a little deeper @berdie  This conflict is what Zzeeman aimed for with the help of Western Europe. Pro tip:   Not all  world events will fit into inane platitudes.

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I am very patriotic. I believe that our country should keep its word to remain relevant in the world (Budapest Papers).

Many think this  pointing-up  pablum has less to do with patriotism and more to do with misplaced virtue signaling.  I tend to agree with them.

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In another post you suggested that I educate myself and not read Uke news, assuming that I had no knowledge of the situation.

Nope.  I suggest you reach beyond your comfort zone and do your own research starting with the year 2012 --- and reassess your opinion with the new information you gather.



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I experienced Ron, but didn’t get to vote for him, but at least I experienced the class and dignity as well as the iron will with a smile he exhibited and the consequent long-term accomplishments he had.

Serious question:  What are the consequent "long-term accomplishments" of Ronald Reagan? 

Thanks in advance for your answer  @the OlLine Rebel

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Right_in_Virginia...

Churchill most certainly did NOT.  Churchill made his case to a United States administration and the American people followed.  Zelensky has neither.

This is simply not true, your comment above.  Roosevelt was in Churchill's pocket from the word go.  Roosevelt saw plainly that Hitler was going to be a global problem.  He aligned with Churchill from the get go.

When Russia seized Crimea during Obama's Administration, the girly man(Obama) did a big fat nothing.  During Trump's 1st term, Putin did nothing to cause Trump to stand up against him.  When the USA elected a senile old f*** of a POTUS, Putin thought it was time to have a field day.  And he thought he would.  But the fact of the matter is that the US military had been training Ukrainian forces since around 2014 or so. 

Putin grossly underestimated the preparedness of the Ukrainian forces.  He thought it would be a 5-10 day war, seize the ENTIRE COUNTRY, and on to the next, which most likely would have been a NATO country.  I am certain that was his mindset when this all started in February, 2022.  But before Ukraine received so much as a bullet from the USA or anyone else, Ukraine managed to stand their ground and fight the poorly prepared, poorly trained Russian military that everyone thought was a real army to deal with.

As Ukraine SLOWLY received military equipment from the USA and Europe, they improved their fighting ability, and as they developed new methods of fighting a conventional warfare, they were killing large numbers of Russians.  The number of dead Russians presently is more dead than the USA lost in all of WWII, both theaters.  To me that is staggering, but the Russian people have no idea of the cost because Russian media is completely controlled by Putin.  For the longest time, they were told there were less than 1,000 dead Russians in the conflict, when it was much higher.

From the beginning of this war, I was opposed to helping Ukraine.  Ukraine was never an ally of the USA.  NEVER!  I did not see it as our fight.  And while I understood Trump attempting to bring the war to an end with the approach he used with both sides, and understood why he took that tack, I do not agree with his foolishness now.  It does appear that he is favoring Russia at this point.  And I find that detestable.

I think he has reached the point where he tells Putin sign a peace agreement, or the war gets racketed upwards dramatically.  NATO will begin putting a strategy to support Ukraine as if they too are at war presently with Russia.

And if I were Trump, I would give Ukraine 6 MOAB bombs(our inventory is supposedly only 13), with the plane necessary to drop the bomb, and hit one Russian city, its civilian population until Putin realizes he bit off more than he can chew.  Russians only respect power and hardline force.  Weakness they feed on.  I think Trump's efforts presently at this point with both sides saying they don't like this or that makes him appear weak.

Time to kill Russians in earnest until they cry uncle.

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Excellent post @jafo2010 !

I'm pretty sure after conquering Ukraine and annexing it back into his new Russian empire, he would have targeted Moldova, which is NOT currently a NATO member but maintains close ties.

Time to join NATO? Moldova eyes joining ‘a larger alliance’

https://www.politico.eu/article/maia-sandu-moldova-nato-alliance-joining-ukraine-war-russia-invasion/

After Moldova, Putin would probably then set his sights back on the Baltic States of Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia, which ARE NATO members, at which point World War III begins.
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Dig a little deeper @berdie  This conflict is what Zzeeman aimed for with the help of Western Europe.

A lie.  This conflict began five years before Zelenskiy decided to run for office.  It began with Russian troops invading Luhansk, Donetsk, and Crimea in 2014.  But then you knew that already.  Yet here you are posting the same lie again.


I suggest you reach beyond your comfort zone and do your own research starting with the year 2012 --- and reassess your opinion with the new information you gather.

No, let's go back to 2004 when Viktor Yushchenko was poisoned by Russian agents, and Putin's puppet Viktor Yanukovych rigged the election.  Russia has been interfering with Ukrainian sovereignty for over two decades.
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Serious question:  What are the consequent "long-term accomplishments" of Ronald Reagan? 

- Tax indexing:  Tying tax rates to the inflation index put an end to bracket creep
- Oil deregulation:  Ending price ceilings on domestic oil sparked a revival of the US oil industry.
- Airline deregulation:  Made air travel affordable for everyone, not just the rich
- Revamped income bracketing, forever doing away with the 70% tax bracket
- Won the Cold War
- Gave us the Peace Dividend which we still live under, with defense spending half of what it was during the 80s.
-  Effectively scrapped the ABM treaty by initiating SDI.
-  Brought down the Berlin Wall
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Hoodat,

You left out many things.  Most important was taking a stagnant economy and breathing life into it.  to refresh your memory, we were living with stagflation for quite some time.

The Iran Crisis happened with Carter.  Carter used that event to attempt to gain political favor with the actions he took , always near a primary event or so, which were largely incompetent.  How long after Reagan was elected that Iran ended that nonsense?  Not long!

And unlike any POTUS in my 71 years, he brought real hope of a better future.  I voted for him twice, and for the first time, I voted for someone I felt strongly would prove to be an excellent POTUS.  He did not disappoint.

And not since JFK, he brought a marvelous sense of humor with him.  Yes, I enjoyed Reagan as POTUS very much.

The only thing he did that I found offensive were the actions in Lebanon.  When the US Marines landed, he ordered them to land with their weapons unloaded.  I thought that was foolish.  And when the structure that housed them was exploded and killed quite a few US Marines, I did not see him take anyone to task.  There should have been as many as half a dozen officers court martialed from my point of view.  There is no reason that massive death event should have happened.  Gross negligence on the part of someone, or a group of people.

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Back to the content of this stream, the fact is, Trump says some very dumb things from time to time.  This is a doozy.  How wonderfully nice of Vlad not to take the whole of Ukraine.

Saying stupid sh*t like this causes him to lose credibility.  PERIOD!!!

We know Russia is a paper tiger.  Give Ukraine what they need to drive that notion home to the Russian people.  I say take out one Russian city with a MOAB weekly until Putin gets honest.  Focus on cities that have a large number of production plants feeding the military.

The time has come to begin destroying Russia in earnest.


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- Tax indexing:  Tying tax rates to the inflation index put an end to bracket creep
- Oil deregulation:  Ending price ceilings on domestic oil sparked a revival of the US oil industry.
- Airline deregulation:  Made air travel affordable for everyone, not just the rich
- Revamped income bracketing, forever doing away with the 70% tax bracket
- Won the Cold War
- Gave us the Peace Dividend which we still live under, with defense spending half of what it was during the 80s.
-  Effectively scrapped the ABM treaty by initiating SDI.
-  Brought down the Berlin Wall


Reagan was the first president I voted for. And I did it as a young soldier stationed in Fort Sill, Oklahoma.

Anybody who is old enough to remember that time  was how bad the 1970s really sucked. Inflation, stagflation, Watergate, Vietnam, energy crisis, disco, the advancement of the Soviet Union, all topped off with the Iran hostage crisis.

The mood of the country was remarkably different by the 1984 presidential election than it was in 1980. And by the time Reagan left office in 1989, the 1970s seemed like a distant nightmare. And Reagan left office with a job approval rating in the 60s

He made mistakes. But my fondest memory of Reagan was this


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DR2ASmN--lQ

At the time, I was skeptical  that would actually happen. But it did.


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Reagan was (and remains) a great ambassador for conservatism.  Were it not for Reagan, the movement would be dominated by the legacies of the Bushes and Trump.  HW Bush is remembered fondly, but was not particularly conservative.  His son is regarded as somewhat of a joke and a failure.  Trump is all about whatever is best for Trump, and if we are very lucky, he will not be an albatross around our necks long after he is gone.

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Trump says Russia has made ‘pretty big concession’ to peace by not seizing whole of Ukraine

What ? If Russia/Putin could of used nukes without the rest of the world noticing he would of... otherwise I commend the brave Ukrainians for not emulating the French (as Birdie pointed out earlier). Another stupid thing to say Trump and the timing for it was obviously 100% Trumpian out of place.

Z ticked Trump off, now Trump is making sure he pays whether it is good for the world or not.
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