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All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« on: April 20, 2025, 09:33:07 am »
All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”

Allen Orr on Trump’s attacks on judges – politics as usual, or signs of a deeper constitutional crisis?
Allen Orr, immigration chairperson for the National Bar Association, weighs in on Trump’s attacks on judges, and the growing fears of a constitutional crisis. Is it just politics or is something bigger at stake?

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/quotable/2025/4/20/aje-onl-qtallenorrfinal-200425
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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2025, 09:36:09 am »
This is just a delay tactic to keep "voting illegal aliens" voting for democrats as long as possible, probably until long after they have died. :im waiting:
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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2025, 04:49:07 pm »
Legally-admitted aliens and resident aliens should be entitled to the same "due process" that American citizens enjoy.

But... illegal aliens should NOT.
Some "lower standard" should be applied to them.

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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2025, 04:52:17 pm »
So the Bill of Rights covers the whole world?

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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2025, 05:24:31 pm »
So the Bill of Rights covers the whole world?

So where is the line?
Can their property be taken? Can they be robbed?
Can they be treated inhumanely? Tortured? Enslaved?
And how would that be found out without some sort of representation and due process?

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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2025, 05:27:38 pm »
It's a valid argument that if they were not vetted upon entry to this country, why then should they be given due process upon their deportation?
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2025, 05:30:48 pm »
It's a valid argument that if they were not vetted upon entry to this country, why then should they be given due process upon their deportation?

How would you know that without some form of due process?
I mean, there's gotta be a guy with a crayon and a notebook, at the least, right?

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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2025, 06:13:30 pm »

'Olly olly oxen free,  in other words, all who are out may come in without penalty" 









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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2025, 06:25:06 pm »
All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”

Allen Orr on Trump’s attacks on judges – politics as usual, or signs of a deeper constitutional crisis?
Allen Orr, immigration chairperson for the National Bar Association, weighs in on Trump’s attacks on judges, and the growing fears of a constitutional crisis. Is it just politics or is something bigger at stake?

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/quotable/2025/4/20/aje-onl-qtallenorrfinal-200425

Illegal invaders are not entitled to due process.
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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2025, 06:42:15 pm »
Illegal invaders are not entitled to due process.

Exactly right! The ONLY process they are due is removal from this country. If you have no respect for our laws, you should not expect any benefit from those laws when you are caught.
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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2025, 10:35:43 pm »
"Due process" means charging them with unlawful entry, prosecuting them, convicting them, and sentencing them to federal prison.  And once their prison sentences have been satisfied, deport them.
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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2025, 10:50:42 pm »
So where is the line?
Can their property be taken? Can they be robbed?
Can they be treated inhumanely? Tortured? Enslaved?And how would that be found out without some sort of representation and due process?

 :facepalm2:  Please stop with the mind-numbing academic exercises that only cloud the issue with hyperbole and clear a path to victory for hardened anti-Americans.

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And how would that be found out without some sort of representation and due process?

Are you unaware that Van Holland's "Maryland man" has received due process, twice, from two different judges since 2019 and found both times not to be here legally, likely MS13 and okay to deport --- but has gone on to beat his wife and become a suspect in human trafficking.

When is due process enough?




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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2025, 11:53:25 pm »

When is due process enough?

He’s received far more due process than whatever he saw necessary to come here.
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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2025, 12:47:44 am »
All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”

Allen Orr on Trump’s attacks on judges – politics as usual, or signs of a deeper constitutional crisis?
Allen Orr, immigration chairperson for the National Bar Association, weighs in on Trump’s attacks on judges, and the growing fears of a constitutional crisis. Is it just politics or is something bigger at stake?
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/quotable/2025/4/20/aje-onl-qtallenorrfinal-200425

I agree. All US Immigrants are entitled to due process.  i.e. "Immigrants move from their home country willingly and legally enter another country with the help of visas like U visa, T visa, and so on. They apply for permission to enter and live in the country permanently, which will qualify them to work without any restrictions in their new country. "

I believe, like @Fishrrman
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"Legally-admitted aliens and resident aliens should be entitled to the same "due process" that American citizens enjoy."
Illegal aliens have already broken the law!!

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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2025, 02:46:01 am »
They are illegals, process them in an orderly fashion and drop them somewhere close to South Africa.
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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2025, 03:04:40 pm »
:facepalm2:  Please stop with the mind-numbing academic exercises that only cloud the issue with hyperbole and clear a path to victory for hardened anti-Americans.

Bullshit. It is not an academic exercise. It is the difference between lawful and unlawful. Between what will work and what will not.

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Are you unaware that Van Holland's "Maryland man" has received due process, twice, from two different judges since 2019 and found both times not to be here legally, likely MS13 and okay to deport --- but has gone on to beat his wife and become a suspect in human trafficking.


Of course I am aware.

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When is due process enough?

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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2025, 04:27:03 pm »
Bullshit. It is not an academic exercise. It is the difference between lawful and unlawful. Between what will work and what will not.

Nonsense.  Academic exercises drenched in hyperbole is all you do --- everything else requires these attributes not found in your wheelhouse:  making a choice and energy for a commitment to action.

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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2025, 04:44:23 pm »
Nonsense.  Academic exercises drenched in hyperbole is all you do --- everything else requires these attributes not found in your wheelhouse:  making a choice and energy for a commitment to action.


Funny that - Because I took a decision and then took action for DeSantis, and earlier for Cruz. And either one could still warrant my attention, though Cruz, less so, anymore.

You're just pissed that I refuse to join you and your drama queen brigade - Flailing about like that floppy-arm guy in front of the car lot, and just as full of hot air, and nothing else.

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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2025, 06:04:12 pm »
He’s received far more due process than whatever he saw necessary to come here.

 :amen: Choosing to ignore our immigration law entitles you to immediate removal and nothing more.
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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2025, 12:28:10 pm »
So, we need to go to housing court for a hearing to evict home invaders from our houses?

They are not 'immigrants' because they did not follow the lawful 'immigration' process.
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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2025, 02:31:44 pm »
Dem Rep. Garcia: Trump ‘Now Stepping’ over the Red Line of Due Process


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBJ8v7IlLNs&ab_channel=JayPirch

Representative Robert Garcia (D-CA) said Tuesday on CNN’s “The Situation Room” that the Trump administration’s refusal to bring Kilmar Abrego Garcia back to the United States represented the president stepping over a red line.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2025/04/22/dem-rep-garcia-trump-now-stepping-over-the-red-line-of-due-process/
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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2025, 02:52:16 pm »
If an immigrant did not enter the US at an official Border Crossing, is that person really an immigrant or is that person just an illegal border crosser?

'Immigrants' enter the United States at designated official Border/Immigration locations and facilities using lawful means with lawful documentation to enter the US legally.

Those who entered the US unlawfully cannot claim 'immigrant' staus if they did not follow the laws, policies, procedures, and documentation to enter the US in the first place.

An illegal foreign entrant is not an 'immigrant' if he or she did not follow the 'immigration' process.
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Re: All US immigrants are entitled to “due process”
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2025, 04:26:20 pm »
 Illegal Alien Can Ignore Deportation Deadline If It Falls on a Weekend or Holiday

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/04/breaking-gorsuch-roberts-side-liberal-justices-illegal-alien/