War and Peace: Trump to Talk With Putin on Tuesday in Hopes of Ukraine Deal, Dividing ‘Land, Power P

[mystery-ak]

War and Peace: Trump to Talk With Putin on Tuesday in Hopes of Ukraine Deal, Dividing ‘Land, Power Plants’

Oliver JJ Lane 17 Mar 2025

President Donald Trump confirmed that he is set to hold Ukraine war peace talks with Russia’s President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday this week, saying land and power plants are among the items on the agenda for how a post-war Ukraine will look.

Negotiations over the future of the Ukraine War have been continuing behind closed doors between the United States of America and the Russian Federation, President Trump said, as he revealed that leader talks are scheduled for Tuesday.

President Trump greeted journalists aboard Air Force One as he flew from Florida to Washington D.C. late Sunday night and opened with thoughts on the Ukraine War before taking questions. Summarising the advances in communications with Russia in recent days — which, until weeks ago, the two countries had been out of contact for years, following the Biden Presidency’s freeze in response to Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine — President Trump remarked: “We learned a lot, we’re doing pretty well I think with Russia. We’ll see if we have something to announce maybe, by Tuesday.”

Confirming that a personal discussion with President Putin is going ahead this week, as earlier briefed, President Trump continued: “I’ll be speaking to President Putin on Tuesday, a lot of work has been done over the weekend. We want to see if we can bring that war to an end. Maybe we can, maybe we can’t, but I think we have a very good chance.”

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https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/03/17/trump-putin-ukraine-talk-on-tuesday-dividing-land-power-plants/

[mountaineer]

Andy Ngo
@MrAndyNgo
Russia has agreed to a temporary ceasefire of Ukrainian energy targets lasting 30 days following negotiations with President Trump. The negotiations have angered liberals, who say Trump is pro-Putin and that the war must continue so Ukraine can win.
1:53 PM · Mar 18, 2025

Story at the Post Millennial

[mountaineer]

[mystery-ak]

Trump, Putin agree to begin ceasefire negotiations in Middle East, White House says
Trump, Putin spoke for at least 90 minutes Tuesday, the White House said.
By Greg Norman Fox News
Published March 18, 2025 11:04am EDT | Updated March 18, 2025 2:03pm EDT

President Donald Trump spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin for at least 90 minutes Tuesday about ending the war in Ukraine, the White House said, noting that the two leaders agreed that "negotiations will begin immediately in the Middle East."

The two leaders also agreed to a ceasefire against energy infrastructure, both sides said.

The call began at 10 a.m. ET, according to White House spokesman Dan Scavino. The White House then said around 12:52 p.m. that the call was over, though it would not say initially exactly when each side hung up.

"Today, President Trump and President Putin spoke about the need for peace and a ceasefire in the Ukraine war. Both leaders agreed this conflict needs to end with a lasting peace," the White House said in a statement after the call. "They also stressed the need for improved bilateral relations between the United States and Russia. The blood and treasure that both Ukraine and Russia have been spending in this war would be better spent on the needs of their people.
 
"This conflict should never have started and should have been ended long ago with sincere and good faith peace efforts. The leaders agreed that the movement to peace will begin with an energy and infrastructure ceasefire, as well as technical negotiations on implementation of a maritime ceasefire in the Black Sea, full ceasefire and permanent peace," it continued. "These negotiations will begin immediately in the Middle East."

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-speaks-russia-putin-about-ending-war-ukraine

[libertybele]

Well, it's up th both Z and Putin to keep their end of the negotiations in check.

[mystery-ak]

Zelensky to Talk with Trump Following White House Call with Putin

We need to talk. That was the message delivered Wednesday by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky confirming he plans to speak with U.S. President Donald Trump to hear more about his call with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/03/19/zelensky-to-talk-with-trump-following-white-house-call-with-putin/

[mountaineer]

 Negotiations between Ukrainian and the US have ended in Riyadh. Deputy head of Zelensky's office Palisa admitted Ukraine’s delegation refused to meet with the Russian delegation  ...

https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1904101646738641136

[Right_in_Virginia]

Negotiations between Ukrainian and the US have ended in Riyadh. Deputy head of Zelensky's office Palisa admitted Ukraine’s delegation refused to meet with the Russian delegation  ...

https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1904101646738641136

Can we take our marbles and go home yet?

[Fishrrman]

mountaineer posted from X:
"Negotiations between Ukrainian and the US have ended in Riyadh. Deputy head of Zelensky's office Palisa admitted Ukraine’s delegation refused to meet with the Russian delegation"

OK, folks, here's how it's gonna work out in the end.

Mr. Trump will work up a deal with Russia.
It will probably give Russia the Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine, and forbid the Ukes from joining NATO. It may or may NOT include some kind of peacekeeping/observational forces on the Ukrainian side.

Since Ukraine refuses to participate in the peace negotiations -- and I almost 100% predict that they will REFUSE to negotiate at all -- "the deal" is going to be made WITHOUT them, and it will be handed to them as "take it or leave it".

If they leave it, they'll face destruction from Russia.
My guess is that they'll take it.

Or... they will "GET it", without a choice.
An offa they can't refuse.

It's called "realpolitik".
That's how I see it, and I'm not backing off.

So come on, zeepers -- give it your best shot.

[Canuck Conservative]

Since Ukraine refuses to participate in the peace negotiations

FALSE

You're thinking of Russia and its stalling games

[berdie]

mountaineer posted from X:
"Negotiations between Ukrainian and the US have ended in Riyadh. Deputy head of Zelensky's office Palisa admitted Ukraine’s delegation refused to meet with the Russian delegation"

OK, folks, here's how it's gonna work out in the end.

Mr. Trump will work up a deal with Russia.
It will probably give Russia the Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine, and forbid the Ukes from joining NATO. It may or may NOT include some kind of peacekeeping/observational forces on the Ukrainian side.

Since Ukraine refuses to participate in the peace negotiations -- and I almost 100% predict that they will REFUSE to negotiate at all -- "the deal" is going to be made WITHOUT them, and it will be handed to them as "take it or leave it".

If they leave it, they'll face destruction from Russia.
My guess is that they'll take it.

Or... they will "GET it", without a choice.
An offa they can't refuse.

It's called "realpolitik".
That's how I see it, and I'm not backing off.

So come on, zeepers -- give it your best shot.

What you say is possibly true. I think it depends largely on what Europe/Britain does. If they put boots on the ground in Ukraine then we will be obliged to defend them if Russia causes harm thru our NATO alliance. It's one of those d*amned if you do, d*amned if you don't situations.

That aside, if Ukraine is sacrificed to satisfy Trump's "I'll end it in one day" promise or try to build his legacy...then it will be a huge tragedy.

[mountaineer]

Zelensky has rejected Trump’s proposal outright. He refuses the minerals deal, does not consider U.S. military aid a debt, and will not enter into direct negotiations with Putin. Does he want peace?

https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1905914496092164471

[Kamaji]

Zelensky has rejected Trump’s proposal outright. He refuses the minerals deal, does not consider U.S. military aid a debt, and will not enter into direct negotiations with Putin. Does he want peace?

https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1905914496092164471

In other words, he sees through Trumps lies and will not cooperate with the partition of Ukraine and its enslavement to Russia. 

Enslavement to Russia is not peace, it’s slavery. 

[Fishrrman]

mountaineer posted from X:
"Zelensky has rejected Trump’s proposal outright. He refuses the minerals deal, does not consider U.S. military aid a debt, and will not enter into direct negotiations with Putin. Does he want peace?"

Once again, folks, please re-read my reply #8 above.

I predict with almost 100% assurance that this is how it's going to go.

"Ukraine, since you refuse to negotiate, here's the deal you're getting. It's not even take it or leave it. It's what you have. Have a nice day."

[MeganC]

mountaineer posted from X:
"Zelensky has rejected Trump’s proposal outright. He refuses the minerals deal, does not consider U.S. military aid a debt, and will not enter into direct negotiations with Putin. Does he want peace?"

Once again, folks, please re-read my reply #8 above.

I predict with almost 100% assurance that this is how it's going to go.

"Ukraine, since you refuse to negotiate, here's the deal you're getting. It's not even take it or leave it. It's what you have. Have a nice day."

And Putin/Russia will see this as permission to invade the Baltics.

[DCPatriot]

And Putin/Russia will see this as permission to invade the Baltics.

Not ever gonna happen while President Trump is sitting in the Oval Office.   

[MeganC]

Not ever gonna happen while President Trump is sitting in the Oval Office.   

I would not bet on that.

[Right_in_Virginia]

FALSE

You're thinking of Russia and its stalling games

@amuse
@amuse

UKRAINE: Zelensky has rejected Trump’s proposal outright. He refuses the minerals deal, does not consider U.S. military aid a debt, and will not enter into direct negotiations with Putin.

5:26 AM · Mar 29, 2025

Video:  https://x.com/amuse/status/1905914496092164471

[Right_in_Virginia]

Scott Adams
@ScottAdamsSays

Well, Europe, he's all yours now.

Owen Gregorian
@OwenGregorian
Mar 28

Zelensky Launches Scathing New Attack on Trump Team – ‘He’s Good at Real Estate, This is Different.’ | Christopher Tomlinson, The National Pulse

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky continues to make backhanded comments at the administration of President Donald J. Trump, claiming that Europe, unlike the United States, “has discipline and no chaos.” He also accused members of the administration of falling for Russian propaganda surrounding the conflict, in comments reported by the BBC this week.

Zelensky singled out a friend of President Trump, Special Envoy Steve Witkoff, who recently appeared in an interview with Tucker Carlson and spoke at length about the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

“I think that Witkoff often quotes the Kremlin narratives… I can’t be ungrateful to the Americans for everything they did, but they are often, unfortunately, under the influence of Russian narratives,” Zelensky said.

The Ukrainian leader went on to seemingly insult Witkoff, saying, “He doesn’t look like a military man. He doesn’t look like a general, and he doesn’t have such experience. As far as I know, he is very good at selling and buying real estate. And this is a little different.” Zelensky, a former television comedian, also has no prior military command experience.

The remarks come just weeks after a disrespectful Zelensky was kicked out of the White House after President Trump warned him that he was gambling with World War Three. While Zelensky attempted to apologize for his behavior, Ukrainian officials continued attacking the Trump administration.

Read more:  https://thenationalpulse.com/2025/03/27/zelensky-launches-scathing-new-attack-on-trump-team-hes-good-at-real-estate-this-is-different/…

7:00 AM · Mar 28, 2025

7:58 AM · Mar 28, 2025

[Timber Rattler]

Zelensky's not wrong.

 

[DCPatriot]

Zelensky's not wrong.

 

[MeganC]

Physician, heal thyself.

[DCPatriot]

Physician, heal thyself.

BIOYA!   

https://www.facebook.com/reel/514898881675344

[The_Reader_David]

mountaineer posted from X:
"Negotiations between Ukrainian and the US have ended in Riyadh. Deputy head of Zelensky's office Palisa admitted Ukraine’s delegation refused to meet with the Russian delegation"

Since Ukraine refuses to participate in the peace negotiations...

Refusing to participate in direct negotiations is not the same as refusing to participate in negotiations.  Representatives of Hamas and Israel never spoke to each other, but they both participated in negotiations the led to the now-defunct cease-fire and the release of a lot of the Israeli hostages.

[DCPatriot]

Refusing to participate in direct negotiations is not the same as refusing to participate in negotiations.  Representatives of Hamas and Israel never spoke to each other, but they both participated in negotiations the led to the now-defunct cease-fire and the release of a lot of the Israeli hostages.

Seems like just a week or so ago, Zelensky got pissed because he was not invited to participate in a meeting between the Russian team and the U.S. team.   

[DCPatriot]

https://nypost.com/2025/03/24/world-news/russia-to-pay-schoolgirls-to-have-children-to-boost-birth-rates/

Desperate Russia will pay schoolgirls $1,200 to have children
to boost birth rates in wake of Ukraine War meat grinder

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So Elon Musk is right....again!

[MeganC]

https://nypost.com/2025/03/24/world-news/russia-to-pay-schoolgirls-to-have-children-to-boost-birth-rates/

Desperate Russia will pay schoolgirls $1,200 to have children
to boost birth rates in wake of Ukraine War meat grinder

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So Elon Musk is right....again!

So Putin thinks Russian girls are whores who will put out for $1200?

Some days the jokes just right themselves.

[DCPatriot]

So Putin thinks Russian girls are whores who will put out for $1200?

Some days the jokes just right themselves.

You only prove my Thomas Sowell meme correct @MeganC

You also prove Elon Musk's valid concern that not reproducing will destroy any country/civilization.

You also won't acknowledge that TWO YEARS of war in Ukraine and Russia where thousands of young men is sensless.

IOW...you're no longer worth any thinking person's time.  You post that it's merely a joke writing itself.

Have a nice day!  

[MeganC]

You only prove my Thomas Sowell meme correct @MeganC

You also prove Elon Musk's valid concern that not reproducing will destroy any country/civilization.

You also won't acknowledge that TWO YEARS of war in Ukraine and Russia where thousands of young men is sensless.

IOW...you're no longer worth any thinking person's time.  You post that it's merely a joke writing itself.

Have a nice day!  

1. I have nine kids.

2. Russia's war to conquer Ukraine started in 2014. 2022 was just the start of a major offensive in that same war.

3. Russia can stop their war anytime they want to. This is not an option for the Ukrainians who do not want to be ruled by the Russians again.

[DCPatriot]

1. I have nine kids.

2. Russia's war to conquer Ukraine started in 2014. 2022 was just the start of a major offensive in that same war.

3. Russia can stop their war anytime they want to. This is not an option for the Ukrainians who do not want to be ruled by the Russians again.

We're only discussing the past 3 years here where it has become nothing but a meatgrinder with people dying for absolutely nothing.

Since you're so gung ho on saving Ukraine's sovereignty recently Ukraine make it very easy for Americans to sign up in their military.  Would you consider sending a few of your "kids"?

[DCPatriot]

[Hoodat]

Zelensky has rejected Trump’s proposal outright. He refuses the minerals deal, does not consider U.S. military aid a debt, and will not enter into direct negotiations with Putin.

Considering Putin's terms, I don't blame him.  Putin's non-negotiable terms:

- Surrender all of Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, and Luhansk oblasts
- Zelenskiy step down
- No EU membership for Ukraine
- No arms deals with any other EU or NATO nation
- Versailles-style restraints on Ukraine military
- The remainder of Ukraine becomes a vassal state of Greater Russia.

Does he want peace?

Who, Putin?  Absolutely not.  He won't even abide by the cease fire terms he demands of Ukraine (e.g. demilitarize the Black Sea, end attacks on energy centers, etc.)

[Hoodat]

We're only discussing the past 3 years here where it has become nothing but a meatgrinder with people dying for absolutely nothing.

Since you're so gung ho on saving Ukraine's sovereignty recently Ukraine make it very easy for Americans to sign up in their military.  Would you consider sending a few of your "kids"?

Don't need to.  (See logical fallacies:  Red Herring)


This war can easily be won with minimal investment.  The US simply lacks a leader who desires to win.  The previous leader wanted this war to last until infinity, using it as a means to reshape the world though US graft.  The current leader is willing to cede everything over to Putin, erroneously believing that doing so will bring peace.  There is a third option.

[Hoodat]

So Putin thinks Russian girls are whores who will put out for $1200?

Some days the jokes just right themselves.

Germany did something similar in the late 1930s.  Maybe that's where Putin got the idea.

“The Cross of Honor for the German Mother”: Three-Tiered Medal for Mothers with Four or More Children (1938)

[MeganC]

We're only discussing the past 3 years here where it has become nothing but a meatgrinder with people dying for absolutely nothing.

No, you want to limit the discussion to the past three years. Ignoring the fact that the scumbag Russians used the Sochi Olympics as cover for their troop movements leading to the surprise attack on Ukraine denies the reasons the war continues.

Since you're so gung ho on saving Ukraine's sovereignty recently Ukraine make it very easy for Americans to sign up in their military.  Would you consider sending a few of your "kids"?[/size]

I'm rather hoping to stop the goddamned Russians in Ukraine so my kids don't end up having to fight them.

We want the same thing which is peace. But you think caving in to the Russians will buy it for you when appeasement has never worked before.

Myself, I want to see Russia bloodied and weakened sufficiently that it'll be decades or generations before they'll ever even have a fucntioning economy again, let alone be capable of threatening anyone.

I want the Russian threat put to an end. Those pricks have been threatening America for eighty years now.

Enough is enough. 

[berdie]

Considering Putin's terms, I don't blame him.  Putin's non-negotiable terms:

- Surrender all of Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, and Luhansk oblasts
- Zelenskiy step down
- No EU membership for Ukraine
- No arms deals with any other EU or NATO nation
- Versailles-style restraints on Ukraine military
- The remainder of Ukraine becomes a vassal state of Greater Russia.


Who, Putin?  Absolutely not.  He won't even abide by the cease fire terms he demands of Ukraine (e.g. demilitarize the Black Sea, end attacks on energy centers, etc.)

Trump himself said that one walks away from the negotiations when the "deal" isn't within reach. I find it interesting that people think Z would walk away on such a crucial issue.

[Hoodat]

We want the same thing which is peace. But you think caving in to the Russians will buy it for you when appeasement has never worked before.

Myself, I want to see Russia bloodied and weakened sufficiently that it'll be decades or generations before they'll ever even have a fucntioning economy again, let alone be capable of threatening anyone.

I want the Russian threat put to an end. Those pricks have been threatening America for eighty years now.

Word.

[Hoodat]

Remember this oldie?

Andy Ngo
@MrAndyNgo
Russia has agreed to a temporary ceasefire of Ukrainian energy targets lasting 30 days following negotiations with President Trump.  .  .  .
1:53 PM · Mar 18, 2025

That one didn't last a week before Putin broke it.

[MeganC]

 

[Canuck Conservative]

Russia is already rejecting Trump's ceasefire deal today.

Predictable, Putin isn't interested in Peace.

[MeganC]

Russia is already rejecting Trump's ceasefire deal today.

Predictable, Putin isn't interested in Peace.

Putin wants to conquer Ukraine. That's it.