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How Putin hoodwinked American conservatives
« on: March 10, 2025, 06:35:24 am »
By Adam Zivo
National Post (Mar. 10, 2025)
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/how-putin-hoodwinked-american-conservatives

It’s unfortunate that some populist conservatives in the West have bought into the myth that Russia is a haven for “traditional values.” This fairytale is nothing more than Kremlin-sponsored propaganda, and it bears little resemblance to the realities of Russian society, where divorce, abortion and secularism are widespread...

Russia’s self-anointed status as a defender of global conservatism can be traced back to 2011, when anti-government protests erupted following the country’s rigged parliamentary elections. These disruptions threatened to topple the autocratic rule of Russian President Vladimir Putin, but were eventually suppressed.

Putin’s governance subsequently became more jingoistic and anti-western. By directing the nation’s anger outward and fostering an atmosphere of permanent besiegement, the president was able to effectively draw attention away from his domestic shortcomings and stagnating economy. He fixated on the LGBTQ+ community, associated it with foreign interference, and passed laws curtailing both.

This won Putin crucial political support from the Russian Orthodox Church, imbued his regime with an aura of moral authority and, most importantly, vested the Kremlin with an ideology that could compete with western liberalism...

By the late 2010s, Russia had won over much of Europe’s far right and was flinging its tendrils into the United States. It found fertile soil there, owing largely to the collapse of neoconservativism (which had been discredited by the failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan) and the Republicans’ inability to define a replacement foreign policy framework.

Ideologically destitute, some Republicans treated foreign policy as an extension of America’s culture wars — they allied with Moscow, a geopolitical rival, simply so they could vanquish woke culture domestically. Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, and the election of U.S. President Donald Trump, only accelerated this realignment.

As of now, a considerable number of Republican influencers, particularly those affiliated with Trump, portray Russia and Putin as the defenders of family and God. They are the modern analogue to the socialist traitors who, decades ago, forsook their own countries to pledge allegiance to a Russia that never existed — only this time, it is the clergy, not the proletariat, that are being romanticized. But the useful idiots are being duped, again, because Russia is no more a conservative utopia than the Soviet Union was a socialist one...

Russians also love divorces and abortion. The country’s divorce rate (3.9 per 1,000 people) is among the highest in the world — far higher than the United States (2.7), Canada (1.1) and much of Europe. Similarly, Russia’s abortion rate is higher than many western countries.

What about family values? Domestic violence is an epidemic in Russia, abetted by a 2017 law, which stipulates that, unless hospital treatment is required, such abuse should be considered an administrative, not criminal, offence. First time wife-beaters can get away with paying only a 5,000-rubles (C$80) fine.

Free speech is also non-existent: criticizing the government can easily lead to a long prison sentence or, in some cases, a mysterious death. Whatever faults the West might have with policing speech, Russia’s restrictions are a magnitude worse and crueller.

Why do some conservatives glorify a society so woefully unaligned with their values? Who knows. But their behaviour is nothing new, and it fits within an established tradition of boundless self-delusion...
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Re: How Putin hoodwinked American conservatives
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2025, 07:11:02 am »
Seems rather a false premise that many U.S. conservatives consider Russia a haven for traditional values in the first place. That possibility occurs to very few of us, I'd wager.

Personally, I'm not much impressed with Putin's "USSR Lite" system, and sincerely doubt he's hoodwinked me.
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2025, 07:17:51 am »
Seems rather a false premise that many U.S. conservatives consider Russia a haven for traditional values in the first place. That possibility occurs to very few of us, I'd wager.

Take a visit over to FreeRepublic, it's like a bizarro-World there ...  you'd think you're reading the TASS website, there's so much Putin-propaganda and lies. Putin is the Western World's savior and the true heir to Jesus Christ, according to them!

Fortunately, TBR is a lot more sensible ...

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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2025, 07:23:51 am »
Take a visit over to FreeRepublic, it's like a bizarro-World there ...
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2025, 08:48:55 am »
Another silly article, prob sponsored by the Neo-con dinosaurs.   

True conservatives despise Putin, but also realize that Ukraine leadership is no friend either.
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2025, 02:34:46 pm »
Another silly article, prob sponsored by the Neo-con dinosaurs.   

True conservatives despise Putin, but also realize that Ukraine leadership is no friend either.

The republican party  conservatives have been taken over by populists who have one thing in common with communists in that they are have the envy thing down pat. 

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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2025, 02:36:20 pm »
The republican party  conservatives have been taken over by populists who have one thing in common with communists in that they are have the envy thing down pat.  :silly: :tinfoil: :laughingdog:
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Re: How Putin hoodwinked American conservatives
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2025, 02:36:51 pm »
Another silly article, prob sponsored by the Neo-con dinosaurs.   

True conservatives despise Putin, but also realize that Ukraine leadership is no friend either.

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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2025, 03:02:27 pm »
There are few allies of American-style conservatism in Europe.  The ones who speak up are shunned and excluded from governing coalitions.  The soft tyrants who run Europe just find Putin a little too on-the-nose.

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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2025, 04:38:34 pm »
Take a visit over to FreeRepublic, it's like a bizarro-World there ...  you'd think you're reading the TASS website, there's so much Putin-propaganda and lies. Putin is the Western World's savior and the true heir to Jesus Christ, according to them!

Fortunately, TBR is a lot more sensible ...

Quite true especially given how often TASS is reposted on the Free Russia Republic site.

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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2025, 06:59:23 pm »
Take a visit over to FreeRepublic, it's like a bizarro-World there ...  you'd think you're reading the TASS website, there's so much Putin-propaganda and lies. Putin is the Western World's savior and the true heir to Jesus Christ, according to them!

Fortunately, TBR is a lot more sensible ...

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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2025, 07:03:09 pm »
That is why they they are there and we are here.

Something for which I am endlessly grateful!  :yowsa:
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2025, 07:04:54 pm »
The republican party  conservatives have been taken over by populists who have one thing in common with communists in that they are have the envy thing down pat.

Populism is, IMO, almost as pernicious as communism when it will come to destroying economies. It has not worked well elsewhere.


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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2025, 07:07:24 pm »
Populism is, IMO, almost as pernicious as communism when it will come to destroying economies. It has not worked well elsewhere.

"Populism" is just another word for "mob rule."
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2025, 07:16:00 pm »
That is why they they are there and we are here.

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"Populism" is just another word for "mob rule."

This we agree on.

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« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2025, 07:30:40 pm »
"Populism" is just another word for "mob rule."

I never heard it put that way...you are right!
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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2025, 07:37:12 pm »
"Populism" is just another word for "mob rule."

Can't the same be said of "democracy" @Cyber Liberty ?

Is not our guardrail against wanton mob rule our rooting in the rule of law, not of men?




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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2025, 07:53:32 pm »
Can't the same be said of "democracy" @Cyber Liberty ?

Is not our guardrail against wanton mob rule our rooting in the rule of law, not of men?

That's why we are not a democracy. That's also mob rule. That's why the Founders hated that word.

ETA: The republic is the guard rail.
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Re: How Putin hoodwinked American conservatives
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2025, 07:56:00 pm »
Another silly article, prob sponsored by the Neo-con dinosaurs.   

True conservatives despise Putin, but also realize that Ukraine leadership is no friend either.

Stop making sense!

You'll hurt someone for Gods sake!
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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2025, 08:04:17 pm »
Stop making sense!

You'll hurt someone for Gods sake!

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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2025, 08:04:42 pm »
That's why we are not a democracy. That's also mob rule. That's why the Founders hated that word.

That was my point @Cyber Liberty .....it is our rule of law, not men, that protects us.


"Populism" is just another word for "mob rule."

So, please stop equating "populism" with mob rule --- and crippling the political vehicle that's pulling us off the edge of the cliff.

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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2025, 08:09:10 pm »
That was my point @Cyber Liberty .....it is our rule of law, not men, that protects us.


So, please stop equating "populism" with mob rule --- and crippling the political vehicle that's pulling us off the edge of the cliff.

We will have to agree to disagree, and I know we'll do that agreeably, as we always do.   happy77
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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2025, 08:10:35 pm »
Populism is, IMO, almost as pernicious as communism when it will come to destroying economies. It has not worked well elsewhere.

You mean that elections are too dangerous to be entrusted to the common people?
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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2025, 08:23:17 pm »
You mean that elections are too dangerous to be entrusted to the common people?

No, "mob rule" is dangerous.
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