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https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/1895838832727339276

I was just about to post the YouTube version of that. It is must watch. Secretary Rubio nails it.
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Waiting to hear what the Z boys think about this one.  Of course, Rubio is Russian agent too. /s.  :silly:

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Not in the transcripts I read. Not even close.

Wrong

What do you think demanding the US provide "security guarantees" means?

All the actions by Zelenskyy leading up to the meeting and at the meeting make it perfectly clear that Zelenskyy doesn't want a cease fire. I'm guessing, but it sure seems like he thinks he will defeat Russia and the USA will do whatever he wants.

Unless Ukraine changes leadership there's no way to trust that whatever agreement we come up with will be honored. I feel for the Ukrainian people who don't deserve any of this, but it's probably time to wash our hands of the whole mess. Let Europe carry the load.
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I was just about to post the YouTube version of that. It is must watch. Secretary Rubio nails it.

Agree. .. this is a must watch.  The full interview is also on Rumble: 
https://rumble.com/embed/v6nq3rg/?pub=4

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"NOW - Ukraine's Zelensky has arrived at 10 Downing Street in London after being "kicked out" of the White House."

Nice of Starmer to greet Z in the street .... Sweet hug, too.


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Now wait a minute....   Z entered into a preliminary agreement the past few days with Rubio to make a rare earth metals deal, contingent on a infrastructure rebuilding commitment.   Then BANG!!!!  in the middle of the presser, Z claims that it is with a security agreement.  This little shit pulled a bait and switch, and tried to embarrass Trump, Vance, Rubio, and the entire admin.

Expalin to me how  that shit deserve respect?

FWIW,  first Bessent was sent to Ukraine to get the signed agreement from Zelenskkyy and answer any questions he had. Zelenskyy had already agreed to sign the agreement and then he said no. Second, Rubio and Vance went to Munich to get the signed agreement that Zelenskyy had now said he would sign and then when they were there said no. Third, Zelenskyy agreed to sign the agreement but insisted they do it at the White House with Pres. Trump.

I would never have had the patience Pres. Trump had in putting up with this low life. I don't see any way you can count on any deal Zelenskyy signs being honored.

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I was just about to post the YouTube version of that. It is must watch. Secretary Rubio nails it.

Textbook perfection on how to handle a hostile MSM interview.  Rubio did fantastic.
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Ten bad takeaways from the Zelenskyy blow-up

1. Zelenskyy does not grasp—or deliberately ignores—the bitter truth: those with whom he feels most affinity (Western globalists, the American Left, the Europeans) have little power in 2025 to help him. And those with whom he obviously does not like or seeks to embarrass (cf. his Scranton, Penn. campaign-like visit in September 2024) alone have the power to save him. For his own sake, I hope he is not being “briefed” by the Obama-Clinton-Biden gang to confront Trump, given their interests are not really Ukraine’s as they feign.

2. Zelenskyy acts as if his agendas and ours are identical. So, he keeps insisting that he is fighting for us despite our two-ocean-distance that he mocks. We do have many shared interests with Ukraine, but not all by any means: Trump wants to “reset” with Russia and triangulate it against China. He seeks to avoid a 1962 DEFCON 2-like crisis over a proxy showdown in proximity to a nuclear rival. And he sincerely wants to end the deadlocked Stalingrad slaughterhouse for everyone’s sake.

3. The Europeans (and Canada) are now talking loudly of a new muscular antithesis, independent of the U.S. Promises, promises—given that would require Europeans to prune back their social welfare state, frack, use nuclear, stop the green obsessions, and spend 3-5 percent of their GDP on defense. The U.S. does not just pay 16 percent of NATO’s budget but also puts up with asymmetrical tariffs that result in a European Union trade surplus of $160 billion, plays the world cop patrolling sea-lanes and deterring terrorists and rogues states that otherwise might interrupt Europe’s commercial networks abroad, as well as de facto including Europe under a nuclear umbrella of 6,500 nukes.

4. Zelenskyy must know that all of the once deal-stopping issues to peace have been de facto settled: Ukraine is now better armed than most NATO nations, but will not be in NATO; and no president has or will ever supply Ukraine with the armed wherewithal to take back the Donbass and Crimea. So, the only two issues are a) how far will Putin be willing to withdraw to his 2022 borders and b) how will he be deterred? The first is answered by a commercial sector/tripwire, joint Ukrainian-US-Europe resource development corridor in Eastern Ukraine, coupled with a Korea-like DMZ; the second by the fact that Putin unlike his 2008 and 2014 invasions has now lost a million dead and wounded to a Ukraine that will remain thusly armed.

5. What are Zelenskyy’s alternatives without much U.S. help—wait for a return of the Democrats to the White House in four years? Hope for a rearmed Europe? Pray for a Democratic House and a 3rd Vindman-like engineered Trump impeachment? Or swallow his pride, return to the White House, sign the rare-earth minerals deal, invite in the Euros (are they seriously willing to patrol a DMZ?), and hope Trump can warn Putin, as he did successfully between 2017-21, not to dare try it again?

6. If there is a cease fire, a commercial deal, a Euro ground presence, and influx of Western companies into Ukraine, would there be elections? And if so, would Zelenskyy and his party win? And if not, would there be a successor transparent government that would reveal exactly where all the Western financial aid money went?

7. Zelenskyy might see a model in Netanyahu. The Biden Administration was far harder on him than Trump is on Ukraine: suspending arms shipments, demanding cease-fires, prodding for a wartime, bipartisan cabinet, hammering Israel on collateral damage—none of which Westerners have demanded of Zelenskyy. Yet Netanyahu managed a hostile Biden, kept Israel close to its patron, and when visiting was gracious to his host. Netanyahu certainly would never before the global media have interrupted, and berated a host and patron president in the White House.

8. If Ukraine has alienated the U.S. what then is its strategic victory plan? Wait around for more Euros? Hold off an increasingly invigorated Russian military? Cede more territory? What, then, exactly are Zelenskyy’s cards he seems to think are a winning hand?

9. If one views carefully all the 50-minute tape, most of it was going quite well—until Zelenskyy started correcting Vance firstly, and Trump secondly. By Ukraine-splaining to his hosts, and by his gestures, tone, and interruptions, he made it clear that he assumed that Trump was just more of the same compliant, clueless moneybags Biden waxen effigy. And that was naïve for such a supposedly worldly leader.

10. March 2025 is not March 2022, after the heroic saving of Kyiv—but three years and 1.5 million dead and wounded later. Zelenskyy is no longer the international heartthrob with the glamorous entourage. He has postponed elections, outlawed opposition media and parties, suspended habeas corpus and walked out of negotiations when he had an even hand in Spring 2022 and apparently even now when he does not in Spring 2025.

Quo vadis, Volodymyr?

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I was just about to post the YouTube version of that. It is must watch. Secretary Rubio nails it.

Close. But he left out the fact that Trump called Zelenskyy a terrorist and bad man only weeks ago. There's some hypocrisy there.

I think Zelenskyy screwed up. The whole "mineral rights" deal was to get a US interest in the back door and Zelenskyy wasn't sharp enough to figure that out.

At this point Zelenskyy needs to do what's best for his country, and that is step down and let someone else with a clean slate lead.

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Yesterday, Susan Rice said of the Trump-Zelensky meeting, "There is no question this was a set up." She revealed full knowledge of the mineral agreement, complained that it didn't include "concrete" security agrees (meaning, apparently, commitment of US troops on the ground if conditions merit), and then mischaracterized Trump's behavior, counting on most Americans to not have watched what transpired over the entire hour in the Oval Office.

You can look at this and dismiss it as typical Democrat talking points, but you could also view it as almost a confession, one that includes details about the current "Get Trump" effort.

Yes, Trump won the popular vote against unbelievable odds, but if you think Team Obama is being any less involved in quiet insurrections than they were during the first Trump administration (Russia collusion, Ukraine impeachment, etc.), you're clueless. I'll remind you that Susan Rice was in the small Jan. 5, 2017 meeting in the WH with other key Russia collusion hoax perpetrators.

Zelensky repeatedly declined opportunities to sign the deal in Kyiv and Munich, and requested the meeting at the White House. It later came out that Rice and Tony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, and Alexander Vindman may have been personally advising Zelensky to do this meeting in the way he did -- that they recommended him to be hostile and to try to goad Trump into blowing up. Even though he didn't, and even though Zelensky's actions horrified many normal Americans, the Obama team went on the airwaves to falsely characterize what happened.

I think their goal was to have a wonderful performance by Zelensky, an angry Trump appearing to scuttle the deal, and the support of the neocon portion of the GOP to start applying pressure on Trump to have US Troop commitments as part of the "security guarantee." It was a set-up, in Susan Rice's interesting choice of words.

Instead, Zelensky had one of the worst stage performances of his acting career, and Trump was statesmanlike (against all odds) throughout. Zelensky followed Team Obama's advice to be hostile to a tee, but it didn't land how they thought it would. Surprisingly, one of the most important aspects of it not working out might have been Lindsay Graham's reaction. Had he and other neocons thought Zelensky was being reasonable, Trump would be having to fight (even moreso) the neocon portion of the GOP in addition to Team Obama's dirty tricks. Even the "conservative" neocon pundits on TV last night were admitting Zelensky had royally messed up.

As you can see from the hostility of the bureaucracy to any Republican oversight, no matter how reasonable or minor it may be, the entrenched bureaucracy and permanent DC apparatus is quite active. That goes quadruple for the deep state in the Intelligence Community. I'd expect more and more shenanigans and to be prepared so that you don't fall for the next information operation. The post-WWII architecture in Europe and the US needs this war to continue or be settled on "US troops on the ground" type guarantees, even though that's not what Americans want.

Things will heat up here, and it's a very dangerous time.
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Close. But he left out the fact that Trump called Zelenskyy a terrorist and bad man only weeks ago. There's some hypocrisy there.



I've said since day 1, I wish DJT had a little better filtration on that brain to mouth transaction.  But he's never going to change, and we have learned to adjust.  The positive 100X outweighs the negative.  The fact we get the truth of what he thinks versus the political spin job double speak is actually refreshing. 
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Agree. .. this is a must watch.  The full interview is also on Rumble: 
https://rumble.com/embed/v6nq3rg/?pub=4

Kudos to our new Secy' of State Rubio.  Very well stated, articulate, honest and candid!! :beer:

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Kudos to our new Secy' of State Rubio.  Very well stated, articulate, honest and candid!! :beer:

We won't see many more MSM Rubio interviews.  They only want interviews of those who they think they can rattle. 
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Close. But he left out the fact that Trump called Zelenskyy a terrorist and bad man only weeks ago. There's some hypocrisy there.

I think Zelenskyy screwed up. The whole "mineral rights" deal was to get a US interest in the back door and Zelenskyy wasn't sharp enough to figure that out.

At this point Zelenskyy needs to do what's best for his country, and that is step down and let someone else with a clean slate lead.

In listening to Rubio's video -- he spoke to Z several times in regards to this issue  as well to other Ukraine members.  I find it difficult to believe that Z didn't realize what the US is trying to do to help with peace efforts so that Russia wouldn't be so quick to attack.  If he didn't realize this or if he listened to the DEM idiots like Blinken and Rice, then he's about as dumb as a sack of rocks.

Yes, he needs to do the right thing for Ukraine and step down.  My hunch is that he won't; he's enjoyed having power and his hands in the US cookie jar too much.

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We won't see many more MSM Rubio interviews.  They only want interviews of those who they think they can rattle.

Rubio has honestly surprised me. He's learned a lot over the years. 

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Zelinsky was spoiled by Biden. Zelinsky has become used to ignoring/insulting the President and going around directly to all his diehard cheerleaders in Congress. This has worked well for him since the war began.

What Zelinsky fails to realize is that everything has changed with Trump. His idea of appealing directly to Congress will not longer work. This does look like a setup. Sign it, NO. Sign it now, NO. I will only sign at the White House. Gets to the White House and says that the deal is not good enough. Now, he wants additional 'security guarantees'.

Again, Zelinsky is used to Biden. He thought that once he was in the White House and ready to sign, he could bully through last minute changes to his benefit. Zelinsky assumed Trump would have a "get it signed at any cost" mentality. He chose poorly.
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In listening to Rubio's video -- he spoke to Z several times in regards to this issue  as well to other Ukraine members.  I find it difficult to believe that Z didn't realize what the US is trying to do to help with peace efforts so that Russia wouldn't be so quick to attack.  If he didn't realize this or if he listened to the DEM idiots like Blinken and Rice, then he's about as dumb as a sack of rocks.

Yes, he needs to do the right thing for Ukraine and step down.  My hunch is that he won't; he's enjoyed having power and his hands in the US cookie jar too much.

I think it all boils down that Z thought he was an international  media star and statesman, and that the whole world would bow down to his whims.  Man, did he ever make a miscalculation.  Now, if we could just get his countryman rail, tar, and feather him.  He let them down .....  bigly.
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Zelinsky was spoiled by Biden. Zelinsky has become used to ignoring/insulting the President and going around directly to all his diehard cheerleaders in Congress. This has worked well for him since the war began.

What Zelinsky fails to realize is that everything has changed with Trump. His idea of appealing directly to Congress will not longer work. This does look like a setup. Sign it, NO. Sign it now, NO. I will only sign at the White House. Gets to the White House and says that the deal is not good enough. Now, he wants additional 'security guarantees'.

Again, Zelinsky is used to Biden. He thought that once he was in the White House and ready to sign, he could bully through last minute changes to his benefit. Zelinsky assumed Trump would have a "get it signed at any cost" mentality. He chose poorly.

Good points...  Did you see Linzy Graham's comments yesterday.  Don't forget he made nine visits to Ukraine, and was best buddies with Z.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpIqHvWJbuQ
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Zelinsky was spoiled by Biden. Zelinsky has become used to ignoring/insulting the President and going around directly to all his diehard cheerleaders in Congress. This has worked well for him since the war began.

What Zelinsky fails to realize is that everything has changed with Trump. His idea of appealing directly to Congress will not longer work. This does look like a setup. Sign it, NO. Sign it now, NO. I will only sign at the White House. Gets to the White House and says that the deal is not good enough. Now, he wants additional 'security guarantees'.

Again, Zelinsky is used to Biden. He thought that once he was in the White House and ready to sign, he could bully through last minute changes to his benefit. Zelinsky assumed Trump would have a "get it signed at any cost" mentality. He chose poorly.

Zelinskyy has become a grifter; yes, spoiled by Biden.  He FAILED the Ukraine miserably.  I hope that they are able to get him out of power very quickly and replace him with someone who is willing to negotiate for peace immediately.

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Good points...  Did you see Linzy Graham's comments yesterday.  Don't forget he made nine visits to Ukraine, and was best buddies with Z.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpIqHvWJbuQ

EVERY GOP Congressman and Senator should be applauding and standing up for Trump, Vance and Rubio.  Sorry, but anyone who does not, IMHO is anti-American.

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One of the most striking things about yesterday’s Zelensky press conference was Lindsey Graham’s reaction to it. The two are old friends, but Graham disavowed him within the hour. This was more than just transactional disloyalty. It was scapegoating. Lindsey Graham knows what’s coming. Over the past three years, with the tacit support of its western patrons, the Ukrainian government has committed a remarkable number of serious crimes. The Ukrainians sold huge quantities of American weapons on the international black market at twenty cents on the dollar. These weapons are now in the hands of armed groups around the world, including Hamas, the Mexican drug cartels and the forces now controlling Syria. God knows what the Ukrainians have done with the pathogens in American biolabs in their country. Even US intel agencies aren’t sure. The Ukrainians have also murdered a number of people in various countries in political assassinations, and tried to murder others, including American journalists and a European head of state. This is all true, and it’s all going to come out at some point. Better to start blaming it on Zelensky now.

https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1895883813223354871?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Zelensky Hugged by UK PM Starmer, Who Vows to Stand With Ukraine ‘As Long As It May Take’

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer embraced Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Saturday and told him he had the nation’s unwavering support a day after the blowout at the White House with President Donald Trump.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/03/01/zelensky-hugged-by-uk-pm-starmer-who-vows-to-stand-with-ukraine-as-long-as-it-may-take/
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Unless Ukraine changes leadership there's no way to trust that whatever agreement we come up with will be honored.

So who could conceivably replace Zelensky?  Poroshenko?  He hates Russians even more than Zelensky!  Tymoshenko?  She hates Russians even more than Poroshenko!  Zaluzhnyi?  He hates Russians even more than Tymoshenko!

So who?

And have the Russians even mentioned anything about wanting a ceasefire themselves?  What are the concessions that are being demanded of them by Trump and Vance?
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Over the past three years, with the tacit support of its western patrons, the Ukrainian government has committed a remarkable number of serious crimes.

What a load of horse crap!  Tucker's nothing but a lying weasel.  I guess he believes that Russia is as pure as the driven snow?
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