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The video is 50 minutes.  There was a lot of buildup to the parts that were being reported.  Z trashed the deal that supposedly had been finalized, spent a lot of time rehashing grievances, predicted all of Eastern Europe was next, and dismissed Vance’s suggestion of diplomacy as a solution.  Finally Trump decided he had heard enough, and I don’t blame him.  Someone besides Z has to lead Ukraine through the post war transition, it isn’t in him.

Zelensky did not merely dismiss Vance's suggestion of diplomacy as a solution, he gave cogent reasons why diplomacy with Putin is not a solution, and was met not with counterargument, but with bluster from Vance (who lost a lot of stature in my eyes with that move).  The only person who did not raise his voice in the notorious clip was Zelensky, whose sound arguments were cut off by both Trump and Vance talking over him.  Trump's nonsensical response to Zelensky's prediction that war would eventually make America feel pain, suggesting that a prophetic warning about the consequences of appeasement was "dictating" what Americans would feel, likewise lowered his stature in my eyes. 
And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was all about.

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Zelensky Refuses To Apologize, Angles For Closed-Door Meeting

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March 1, 2025

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told Fox News that he does not believe he owes President Trump an apology after a contentious Oval Office meeting, which devolved into a shouting match after the president thought Zelensky was being disrespectful and ungrateful.

Zelensky sat down with Fox News host Bret Baier for a 40-minute, live interview within hours of the meeting. When asked whether he believed he owed President Trump an apology, the Ukrainian president refused to give a solid answer before eventually saying no.

“Now i respect president and I respect American people and if uh… I don’t know if I think that we have to be very open and very honest and I’m not sure that we need something,” he said. Zelensky then stated that he wishes the meeting would have taken place behind closed doors and away from the media.

Democrats previously used a private conversation between Trump and Zelensky to launch the first of two bogus impeachment proceedings.

“I think maybe sometimes from… things we have to discuss uh… out of media with all respect to democracy and to a free media but there are things that where we have to understand the position of Ukraine and Ukrainians and I think that is the most important thing,” Zelensky continued. “Yes we are partners you know we are very close partners we have to be fair, we have to be very free.”

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https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/watch-zelensky-refuses-to-apologize-angles-for-closed-door-meeting-cmc/
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https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/02/28/trump-zelensky-meeting-transcript-full-text-video-oval-office/

There's the full transcript.

Trump and Vance don't come off good. Make you feel bad for Zelensky. I dunno. There should be a mutual respect of a guy who is up against the wall from a huge bully.

I don't think Zelensky was disrespectful at all. Even thanks the American people.


I agree.  And the transcript doesn't even show that Zelensky was the only person who did not raise his voice in the exchange.  He was making congent arguments against the sufficiency of diplomacy with Putin and being shouted at by both Vance and Trump, and not even shouted counter-arguments, just we're-the-big-men-and-you're-dis'ing-us bluster.
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Z stating that he wished the meeting would have been behind closed doors, IMHO is crappola.  He wanted the media there hoping that the media and the American people would be behind him and he could get what he wanted.  Z told Rubio he was coming to sign a rare earth metals deal.  That obviously was not his intent.  I for one am sick to death of his begging, insults and disrespect.  I am glad that he was shown the door.  Trump made if very clear that he didn't want to give Z an advantage but rather he wanted peace. 

I think Trump was gracious to state in essence that when Z wants peace, he can come back.

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I reported this last night..I guess it's turning out to be true.


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I reported this last night..I guess it's turning out to be true.


https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/1895852397467222494

Blinken and Rice at your service!!  No surprise, what is surprising is the DEMS ran Harris instead of Rice (that baffles me still).

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I reported this last night..I guess it's turning out to be true.


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I reported this last night..I guess it's turning out to be true.


https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/1895852397467222494

Those 4 people should already be wearing orange jumpsuits in GITMO right now.

Get to the bottom of this and stop putzing around!
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Blinken and Rice at your service!!  No surprise, what is surprising is the DEMS ran Harris instead of Rice (that baffles me still).

I hope these cretins have had their security clearances revoked ..…. 

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I hope these cretins have had their security clearances revoked ..….

Sure Vindman has, or at least I hope.   Remember the 1st day of the USAID debacle?  He was at the front door at their office at 8am scratching the doors to get in. 
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For S & G's, here is the cut/pasted beef of what this is all about.  Reeks of left wing pols, and UKE nationalist special interest..... 

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The founding members of the Coalition including US-based Ukrainian nonprofit organizations Razom for Ukraine, Ukrainian National Women's League of America, Nova Ukraine, Ukrainian American Coordinating Council, United Help Ukraine, and Klych. Non-Ukrainian founding members MedGlobal and the Georgian Association in the US demonstrate the diversity among US-based supporters of Ukraine. The Coalition includes as members a number of additional small and medium nonprofit organizations. The Board of Directors is the governing body of the Coalition.[6]

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The Coalition organizes Ukraine Action Summits in Washington, DC where elected officials meet their constituents to discuss legislative and operational topics related to Ukraine.[6][7][8][9] Such meetings were acknowledged by US Senators Chuck Schumer,[10] Alex Padilla[11] and Bob Menendez,[12] as well as Representatives Steny Hoyer[13] and Joseph Morelle.[14]
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"Secretary of State Marco Rubio just gave one of the BEST interviews I have watched in defense of President Trump's Ukraine and Russia strategy.
President Trump picked a seasoned media veteran like Rubio for moments like these, here is the full interview with the CNN bish Kaitlan Collins"°

Full interview: 

https://rumble.com/embed/v6nq3rg/?pub=4

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To the hand-wringing Europeans who felt offended by President Trump rejecting being lectured by President Zelensky: Be my guest to defend Ukraine from Putin. ...
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One of the most striking things about yesterday’s Zelensky press conference was Lindsey Graham’s reaction to it. The two are old friends, but Graham disavowed him within the hour. This was more than just transactional disloyalty. It was scapegoating. Lindsey Graham knows what’s coming. Over the past three years, with the tacit support of its western patrons, the Ukrainian government has committed a remarkable number of serious crimes. The Ukrainians sold huge quantities of American weapons on the international black market at twenty cents on the dollar. These weapons are now in the hands of armed groups around the world, including Hamas, the Mexican drug cartels and the forces now controlling Syria. God knows what the Ukrainians have done with the pathogens in American biolabs in their country. Even US intel agencies aren’t sure. The Ukrainians have also murdered a number of people in various countries in political assassinations, and tried to murder others, including American journalists and a European head of state. This is all true, and it’s all going to come out at some point. Better to start blaming it on Zelensky now.
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He declared martial law... he was invaded? Should he have the police arrest and book every invading russian soldier? And try them all by court? We did the same thing in the Civil War.

We still held elections and if Lincoln lost he was prepared to step down.

We held elections during WWII.

We held elections during the Korean conflict.

We held elections during the Vietnam war.
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Trump and Vance realized that signing the 'rare-minerals' deal would not lead to peace. The American deal would only make Zelinsky MORE aggressive. Zelinsky planned to hide behind the American agreement, to attack Moscow directly in an attempt to force America into the war.

Everybody says Putin cannot be trusted. Putin does not want peace. But the realization that became apparent is Zelinsky cannot be trusted. Zelinsky does not want peace.

Trump and Vance determined that Zelinsky would be a dangerous partner to get involve with. Zelinsky is wild and unstable. No matter what Zelinsky says, no matter whatever deal he signs, Zelinsky always has his own background side agenda which has nothing to do with 'peace'.
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https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/1895838832727339276

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Waiting to hear what the Z boys think about this one.  Of course, Rubio is Russian agent too. /s.  :silly:
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https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/1895838832727339276

I was just about to post the YouTube version of that. It is must watch. Secretary Rubio nails it.
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Waiting to hear what the Z boys think about this one.  Of course, Rubio is Russian agent too. /s.  :silly:

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Not in the transcripts I read. Not even close.

Wrong

What do you think demanding the US provide "security guarantees" means?

All the actions by Zelenskyy leading up to the meeting and at the meeting make it perfectly clear that Zelenskyy doesn't want a cease fire. I'm guessing, but it sure seems like he thinks he will defeat Russia and the USA will do whatever he wants.

Unless Ukraine changes leadership there's no way to trust that whatever agreement we come up with will be honored. I feel for the Ukrainian people who don't deserve any of this, but it's probably time to wash our hands of the whole mess. Let Europe carry the load.
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I was just about to post the YouTube version of that. It is must watch. Secretary Rubio nails it.

Agree. .. this is a must watch.  The full interview is also on Rumble: 
https://rumble.com/embed/v6nq3rg/?pub=4

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"NOW - Ukraine's Zelensky has arrived at 10 Downing Street in London after being "kicked out" of the White House."

Nice of Starmer to greet Z in the street .... Sweet hug, too.


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**nononono*

Now wait a minute....   Z entered into a preliminary agreement the past few days with Rubio to make a rare earth metals deal, contingent on a infrastructure rebuilding commitment.   Then BANG!!!!  in the middle of the presser, Z claims that it is with a security agreement.  This little shit pulled a bait and switch, and tried to embarrass Trump, Vance, Rubio, and the entire admin.

Expalin to me how  that shit deserve respect?

FWIW,  first Bessent was sent to Ukraine to get the signed agreement from Zelenskkyy and answer any questions he had. Zelenskyy had already agreed to sign the agreement and then he said no. Second, Rubio and Vance went to Munich to get the signed agreement that Zelenskyy had now said he would sign and then when they were there said no. Third, Zelenskyy agreed to sign the agreement but insisted they do it at the White House with Pres. Trump.

I would never have had the patience Pres. Trump had in putting up with this low life. I don't see any way you can count on any deal Zelenskyy signs being honored.

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I was just about to post the YouTube version of that. It is must watch. Secretary Rubio nails it.

Textbook perfection on how to handle a hostile MSM interview.  Rubio did fantastic.
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Ten bad takeaways from the Zelenskyy blow-up

1. Zelenskyy does not grasp—or deliberately ignores—the bitter truth: those with whom he feels most affinity (Western globalists, the American Left, the Europeans) have little power in 2025 to help him. And those with whom he obviously does not like or seeks to embarrass (cf. his Scranton, Penn. campaign-like visit in September 2024) alone have the power to save him. For his own sake, I hope he is not being “briefed” by the Obama-Clinton-Biden gang to confront Trump, given their interests are not really Ukraine’s as they feign.

2. Zelenskyy acts as if his agendas and ours are identical. So, he keeps insisting that he is fighting for us despite our two-ocean-distance that he mocks. We do have many shared interests with Ukraine, but not all by any means: Trump wants to “reset” with Russia and triangulate it against China. He seeks to avoid a 1962 DEFCON 2-like crisis over a proxy showdown in proximity to a nuclear rival. And he sincerely wants to end the deadlocked Stalingrad slaughterhouse for everyone’s sake.

3. The Europeans (and Canada) are now talking loudly of a new muscular antithesis, independent of the U.S. Promises, promises—given that would require Europeans to prune back their social welfare state, frack, use nuclear, stop the green obsessions, and spend 3-5 percent of their GDP on defense. The U.S. does not just pay 16 percent of NATO’s budget but also puts up with asymmetrical tariffs that result in a European Union trade surplus of $160 billion, plays the world cop patrolling sea-lanes and deterring terrorists and rogues states that otherwise might interrupt Europe’s commercial networks abroad, as well as de facto including Europe under a nuclear umbrella of 6,500 nukes.

4. Zelenskyy must know that all of the once deal-stopping issues to peace have been de facto settled: Ukraine is now better armed than most NATO nations, but will not be in NATO; and no president has or will ever supply Ukraine with the armed wherewithal to take back the Donbass and Crimea. So, the only two issues are a) how far will Putin be willing to withdraw to his 2022 borders and b) how will he be deterred? The first is answered by a commercial sector/tripwire, joint Ukrainian-US-Europe resource development corridor in Eastern Ukraine, coupled with a Korea-like DMZ; the second by the fact that Putin unlike his 2008 and 2014 invasions has now lost a million dead and wounded to a Ukraine that will remain thusly armed.

5. What are Zelenskyy’s alternatives without much U.S. help—wait for a return of the Democrats to the White House in four years? Hope for a rearmed Europe? Pray for a Democratic House and a 3rd Vindman-like engineered Trump impeachment? Or swallow his pride, return to the White House, sign the rare-earth minerals deal, invite in the Euros (are they seriously willing to patrol a DMZ?), and hope Trump can warn Putin, as he did successfully between 2017-21, not to dare try it again?

6. If there is a cease fire, a commercial deal, a Euro ground presence, and influx of Western companies into Ukraine, would there be elections? And if so, would Zelenskyy and his party win? And if not, would there be a successor transparent government that would reveal exactly where all the Western financial aid money went?

7. Zelenskyy might see a model in Netanyahu. The Biden Administration was far harder on him than Trump is on Ukraine: suspending arms shipments, demanding cease-fires, prodding for a wartime, bipartisan cabinet, hammering Israel on collateral damage—none of which Westerners have demanded of Zelenskyy. Yet Netanyahu managed a hostile Biden, kept Israel close to its patron, and when visiting was gracious to his host. Netanyahu certainly would never before the global media have interrupted, and berated a host and patron president in the White House.

8. If Ukraine has alienated the U.S. what then is its strategic victory plan? Wait around for more Euros? Hold off an increasingly invigorated Russian military? Cede more territory? What, then, exactly are Zelenskyy’s cards he seems to think are a winning hand?

9. If one views carefully all the 50-minute tape, most of it was going quite well—until Zelenskyy started correcting Vance firstly, and Trump secondly. By Ukraine-splaining to his hosts, and by his gestures, tone, and interruptions, he made it clear that he assumed that Trump was just more of the same compliant, clueless moneybags Biden waxen effigy. And that was naïve for such a supposedly worldly leader.

10. March 2025 is not March 2022, after the heroic saving of Kyiv—but three years and 1.5 million dead and wounded later. Zelenskyy is no longer the international heartthrob with the glamorous entourage. He has postponed elections, outlawed opposition media and parties, suspended habeas corpus and walked out of negotiations when he had an even hand in Spring 2022 and apparently even now when he does not in Spring 2025.

Quo vadis, Volodymyr?

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I was just about to post the YouTube version of that. It is must watch. Secretary Rubio nails it.

Close. But he left out the fact that Trump called Zelenskyy a terrorist and bad man only weeks ago. There's some hypocrisy there.

I think Zelenskyy screwed up. The whole "mineral rights" deal was to get a US interest in the back door and Zelenskyy wasn't sharp enough to figure that out.

At this point Zelenskyy needs to do what's best for his country, and that is step down and let someone else with a clean slate lead.

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Yesterday, Susan Rice said of the Trump-Zelensky meeting, "There is no question this was a set up." She revealed full knowledge of the mineral agreement, complained that it didn't include "concrete" security agrees (meaning, apparently, commitment of US troops on the ground if conditions merit), and then mischaracterized Trump's behavior, counting on most Americans to not have watched what transpired over the entire hour in the Oval Office.

You can look at this and dismiss it as typical Democrat talking points, but you could also view it as almost a confession, one that includes details about the current "Get Trump" effort.

Yes, Trump won the popular vote against unbelievable odds, but if you think Team Obama is being any less involved in quiet insurrections than they were during the first Trump administration (Russia collusion, Ukraine impeachment, etc.), you're clueless. I'll remind you that Susan Rice was in the small Jan. 5, 2017 meeting in the WH with other key Russia collusion hoax perpetrators.

Zelensky repeatedly declined opportunities to sign the deal in Kyiv and Munich, and requested the meeting at the White House. It later came out that Rice and Tony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, and Alexander Vindman may have been personally advising Zelensky to do this meeting in the way he did -- that they recommended him to be hostile and to try to goad Trump into blowing up. Even though he didn't, and even though Zelensky's actions horrified many normal Americans, the Obama team went on the airwaves to falsely characterize what happened.

I think their goal was to have a wonderful performance by Zelensky, an angry Trump appearing to scuttle the deal, and the support of the neocon portion of the GOP to start applying pressure on Trump to have US Troop commitments as part of the "security guarantee." It was a set-up, in Susan Rice's interesting choice of words.

Instead, Zelensky had one of the worst stage performances of his acting career, and Trump was statesmanlike (against all odds) throughout. Zelensky followed Team Obama's advice to be hostile to a tee, but it didn't land how they thought it would. Surprisingly, one of the most important aspects of it not working out might have been Lindsay Graham's reaction. Had he and other neocons thought Zelensky was being reasonable, Trump would be having to fight (even moreso) the neocon portion of the GOP in addition to Team Obama's dirty tricks. Even the "conservative" neocon pundits on TV last night were admitting Zelensky had royally messed up.

As you can see from the hostility of the bureaucracy to any Republican oversight, no matter how reasonable or minor it may be, the entrenched bureaucracy and permanent DC apparatus is quite active. That goes quadruple for the deep state in the Intelligence Community. I'd expect more and more shenanigans and to be prepared so that you don't fall for the next information operation. The post-WWII architecture in Europe and the US needs this war to continue or be settled on "US troops on the ground" type guarantees, even though that's not what Americans want.

Things will heat up here, and it's a very dangerous time.
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Close. But he left out the fact that Trump called Zelenskyy a terrorist and bad man only weeks ago. There's some hypocrisy there.



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Agree. .. this is a must watch.  The full interview is also on Rumble: 
https://rumble.com/embed/v6nq3rg/?pub=4

Kudos to our new Secy' of State Rubio.  Very well stated, articulate, honest and candid!! :beer:

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Kudos to our new Secy' of State Rubio.  Very well stated, articulate, honest and candid!! :beer:

We won't see many more MSM Rubio interviews.  They only want interviews of those who they think they can rattle. 
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Close. But he left out the fact that Trump called Zelenskyy a terrorist and bad man only weeks ago. There's some hypocrisy there.

I think Zelenskyy screwed up. The whole "mineral rights" deal was to get a US interest in the back door and Zelenskyy wasn't sharp enough to figure that out.

At this point Zelenskyy needs to do what's best for his country, and that is step down and let someone else with a clean slate lead.

In listening to Rubio's video -- he spoke to Z several times in regards to this issue  as well to other Ukraine members.  I find it difficult to believe that Z didn't realize what the US is trying to do to help with peace efforts so that Russia wouldn't be so quick to attack.  If he didn't realize this or if he listened to the DEM idiots like Blinken and Rice, then he's about as dumb as a sack of rocks.

Yes, he needs to do the right thing for Ukraine and step down.  My hunch is that he won't; he's enjoyed having power and his hands in the US cookie jar too much.

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Zelinsky was spoiled by Biden. Zelinsky has become used to ignoring/insulting the President and going around directly to all his diehard cheerleaders in Congress. This has worked well for him since the war began.

What Zelinsky fails to realize is that everything has changed with Trump. His idea of appealing directly to Congress will not longer work. This does look like a setup. Sign it, NO. Sign it now, NO. I will only sign at the White House. Gets to the White House and says that the deal is not good enough. Now, he wants additional 'security guarantees'.

Again, Zelinsky is used to Biden. He thought that once he was in the White House and ready to sign, he could bully through last minute changes to his benefit. Zelinsky assumed Trump would have a "get it signed at any cost" mentality. He chose poorly.
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In listening to Rubio's video -- he spoke to Z several times in regards to this issue  as well to other Ukraine members.  I find it difficult to believe that Z didn't realize what the US is trying to do to help with peace efforts so that Russia wouldn't be so quick to attack.  If he didn't realize this or if he listened to the DEM idiots like Blinken and Rice, then he's about as dumb as a sack of rocks.

Yes, he needs to do the right thing for Ukraine and step down.  My hunch is that he won't; he's enjoyed having power and his hands in the US cookie jar too much.

I think it all boils down that Z thought he was an international  media star and statesman, and that the whole world would bow down to his whims.  Man, did he ever make a miscalculation.  Now, if we could just get his countryman rail, tar, and feather him.  He let them down .....  bigly.
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Zelinsky was spoiled by Biden. Zelinsky has become used to ignoring/insulting the President and going around directly to all his diehard cheerleaders in Congress. This has worked well for him since the war began.

What Zelinsky fails to realize is that everything has changed with Trump. His idea of appealing directly to Congress will not longer work. This does look like a setup. Sign it, NO. Sign it now, NO. I will only sign at the White House. Gets to the White House and says that the deal is not good enough. Now, he wants additional 'security guarantees'.

Again, Zelinsky is used to Biden. He thought that once he was in the White House and ready to sign, he could bully through last minute changes to his benefit. Zelinsky assumed Trump would have a "get it signed at any cost" mentality. He chose poorly.

Good points...  Did you see Linzy Graham's comments yesterday.  Don't forget he made nine visits to Ukraine, and was best buddies with Z.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpIqHvWJbuQ
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Zelinsky was spoiled by Biden. Zelinsky has become used to ignoring/insulting the President and going around directly to all his diehard cheerleaders in Congress. This has worked well for him since the war began.

What Zelinsky fails to realize is that everything has changed with Trump. His idea of appealing directly to Congress will not longer work. This does look like a setup. Sign it, NO. Sign it now, NO. I will only sign at the White House. Gets to the White House and says that the deal is not good enough. Now, he wants additional 'security guarantees'.

Again, Zelinsky is used to Biden. He thought that once he was in the White House and ready to sign, he could bully through last minute changes to his benefit. Zelinsky assumed Trump would have a "get it signed at any cost" mentality. He chose poorly.

Zelinskyy has become a grifter; yes, spoiled by Biden.  He FAILED the Ukraine miserably.  I hope that they are able to get him out of power very quickly and replace him with someone who is willing to negotiate for peace immediately.

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Good points...  Did you see Linzy Graham's comments yesterday.  Don't forget he made nine visits to Ukraine, and was best buddies with Z.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpIqHvWJbuQ

EVERY GOP Congressman and Senator should be applauding and standing up for Trump, Vance and Rubio.  Sorry, but anyone who does not, IMHO is anti-American.

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Interesting --

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One of the most striking things about yesterday’s Zelensky press conference was Lindsey Graham’s reaction to it. The two are old friends, but Graham disavowed him within the hour. This was more than just transactional disloyalty. It was scapegoating. Lindsey Graham knows what’s coming. Over the past three years, with the tacit support of its western patrons, the Ukrainian government has committed a remarkable number of serious crimes. The Ukrainians sold huge quantities of American weapons on the international black market at twenty cents on the dollar. These weapons are now in the hands of armed groups around the world, including Hamas, the Mexican drug cartels and the forces now controlling Syria. God knows what the Ukrainians have done with the pathogens in American biolabs in their country. Even US intel agencies aren’t sure. The Ukrainians have also murdered a number of people in various countries in political assassinations, and tried to murder others, including American journalists and a European head of state. This is all true, and it’s all going to come out at some point. Better to start blaming it on Zelensky now.

https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1895883813223354871?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Zelensky Hugged by UK PM Starmer, Who Vows to Stand With Ukraine ‘As Long As It May Take’

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer embraced Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Saturday and told him he had the nation’s unwavering support a day after the blowout at the White House with President Donald Trump.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/03/01/zelensky-hugged-by-uk-pm-starmer-who-vows-to-stand-with-ukraine-as-long-as-it-may-take/
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Unless Ukraine changes leadership there's no way to trust that whatever agreement we come up with will be honored.

So who could conceivably replace Zelensky?  Poroshenko?  He hates Russians even more than Zelensky!  Tymoshenko?  She hates Russians even more than Poroshenko!  Zaluzhnyi?  He hates Russians even more than Tymoshenko!

So who?

And have the Russians even mentioned anything about wanting a ceasefire themselves?  What are the concessions that are being demanded of them by Trump and Vance?
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Over the past three years, with the tacit support of its western patrons, the Ukrainian government has committed a remarkable number of serious crimes.

What a load of horse crap!  Tucker's nothing but a lying weasel.  I guess he believes that Russia is as pure as the driven snow?
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