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This is harassment. 

For the last f'n time, everyone in the private sector is expected to provide periodic updates  (reports) of their activities to make sure team activities are aligned with objectives and business plans.   So just why do government employees think they are special and entitled?

Never mind....    we've known that for years.
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EVERYDAY when i was at the machine shop I had to document how many and of what part I was working on. Standards of performance were set and we were required to meet them.  if not we better have a good reson why not. There are no standards set for these positions, so they need to justify why theyare getting paid.
Every day on a drilling rig, I send out a report at 5 AM documenting what was done in the last 24 hours, maximum and minimum parameters, geology, including an up to the minute strip log (for the whole well to that point), and anything else of note or concern. When steering the well, you can add another layer to that, including target depths for the next 1000 ft. and a cross section of the well as well as current correlation information. All of this is conducted onsite, regardless of the weather. (I have worked in conditions from 122 above to -60, in blizzards and stifling heat.)
Retirement? Personal Leave? Sick leave? If you want that, take it out of your day rate, and there is no guarantee you'll have a job tomorrow.
Arguably, what those of us who do what I do perform is a vital job that needs to be done for the safety and energy security of America. At any given time, there are only a few thousand of us in the field, worldwide. For the guys who work offshore, it can be even more challenging.

I'm having a really hard time finding my give-a-damn over folks who have climate controlled offices and scads of benefits who are having a hard time typing out a damned email. Take ten minutes and get it done. Less time to do it than bitch about it. Sheesh!
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And if Trump/Musk get away with this, you can bet every corporation in the USA will be mirroring this behavior.

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Those of you working in corporate America, do you really want to come to work daily being told you will be subject to termination, exactly like what Trump/Musk are doing? 

I think you have that backwards.  I have worked for a Fortune 50 company for 25 years now, and I have been required to provide a status report of what I have accomplished every single week of that tenure.

I am also subject to termination if I fail to perform my job duties ... as I should be, because I am not upholding my part of the employment contract if I fail to perform.  Not to mention that my company has had plenty of layoffs / down-sizing / "right" sizing / Reductions in Force over the years, terminating the employment of good people who were being productive. That is the way corporations stay viable and keep their balance sheets in the black.

Why should government jobs which are paid for with our tax dollars be any different?
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Federal workers are experiencing a taste of what private businesses have endured since forever. Layoffs, plant closures, accountability, etc - all part of the experience.
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I think you have that backwards.  I have worked for a Fortune 50 company for 25 years now, and I have been required to provide a status report of what I have accomplished every single week of that tenure.

I am also subject to termination if I fail to perform my job duties ... as I should be, because I am not upholding my part of the employment contract if I fail to perform.  Not to mention that my company has had plenty of layoffs / down-sizing / "right" sizing / Reductions in Force over the years, terminating the employment of good people who were being productive. That is the way corporations stay viable and keep their balance sheets in the black.

Why should government jobs which are paid for with our tax dollars be any different?
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I think you have that backwards.  I have worked for a Fortune 50 company for 25 years now, and I have been required to provide a status report of what I have accomplished every single week of that tenure.

I am also subject to termination if I fail to perform my job duties ... as I should be, because I am not upholding my part of the employment contract if I fail to perform.  Not to mention that my company has had plenty of layoffs / down-sizing / "right" sizing / Reductions in Force over the years, terminating the employment of good people who were being productive. That is the way corporations stay viable and keep their balance sheets in the black.

Why should government jobs which are paid for with our tax dollars be any different?

I think the concept of a "job description" is foreign to jafo.  Some of those in the enforcement sections like IRS and EPA are famous for winging it.  After 50 years of pent up anger, many of us citizens are now cheering for retribution.
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Every day on a drilling rig, I send out a report at 5 AM documenting what was done in the last 24 hours, maximum and minimum parameters, geology, including an up to the minute strip log (for the whole well to that point), and anything else of note or concern. When steering the well, you can add another layer to that, including target depths for the next 1000 ft. and a cross section of the well as well as current correlation information. All of this is conducted onsite, regardless of the weather. (I have worked in conditions from 122 above to -60, in blizzards and stifling heat.)
Retirement? Personal Leave? Sick leave? If you want that, take it out of your day rate, and there is no guarantee you'll have a job tomorrow.
Arguably, what those of us who do what I do perform is a vital job that needs to be done for the safety and energy security of America. At any given time, there are only a few thousand of us in the field, worldwide. For the guys who work offshore, it can be even more challenging.

I'm having a really hard time finding my give-a-damn over folks who have climate controlled offices and scads of benefits who are having a hard time typing out a damned email. Take ten minutes and get it done. Less time to do it than bitch about it. Sheesh!

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I think you have that backwards.  I have worked for a Fortune 50 company for 25 years now, and I have been required to provide a status report of what I have accomplished every single week of that tenure.

I am also subject to termination if I fail to perform my job duties ... as I should be, because I am not upholding my part of the employment contract if I fail to perform.  Not to mention that my company has had plenty of layoffs / down-sizing / "right" sizing / Reductions in Force over the years, terminating the employment of good people who were being productive. That is the way corporations stay viable and keep their balance sheets in the black.

Why should government jobs which are paid for with our tax dollars be any different?

Yabut if you use such words as productivity or efficiency in government circles, they look at you like you have two heads and three eyes! They can't grasp those concepts. NOT part of the culture.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Yabut if you use such words as productivity or efficiency in government circles, they look at you like you have two heads and three eyes! They can't grasp those concepts. NOT part of the culture.
Keep in mind, that for some in those circles, "productivity" means they conjured up another rule or rule change for the rest of us to go by.
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My only federal employment was a summer legal internship with the Dept of Interior some 40 yrs ago. I was all excited, thinking there would be so much to learn! Wow, this will prepare me for my future endeavors!

Wrong. We did absolutely nothing all day. Two or three hours drinking coffee and gabbing, then everyone went to his or her own office and sat some more, doing nothing. Maybe once or twice was I assigned a task - research, accompany the field solicitor to the courthouse - but mostly I stayed at my desk and entertained myself reading case law. It was eye-opening.
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My only federal employment was a summer legal internship with the Dept of Interior some 40 yrs ago. I was all excited, thinking there would be so much to learn! Wow, this will prepare me for my future endeavors!

Wrong. We did absolutely nothing all day. Two or three hours drinking coffee and gabbing, then everyone went to his or her own office and sat some more, doing nothing. Maybe once or twice was I assigned a task - research, accompany the field solicitor to the courthouse - but mostly I stayed at my desk and entertained myself reading case law. It was eye-opening.

Right out of college, I did a one year stint at the State Level (Dept. of Health) .  When I trained with Chief, we spent half the day, doing his personal errands.  More than once he told me that since we made so little money, we were entitled to do that. 

That taught me everything I needed ot know about the government.
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Keep in mind, that for some in those circles, "productivity" means they conjured up another rule or rule change for the rest of us to go by.

 :yowsa: They call that rewarding friends and punishing enemies. (On the back side of every regulation is a license for their friends to do whatever they like if it doesn't exceed the mandated maximum. Only the biggest fish in the pond can afford to comply with that crap now.)
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For the last f'n time, everyone in the private sector is expected to provide periodic updates  (reports) of their activities to make sure team activities are aligned with objectives and business plans.   So just why do government employees think they are special and entitled?

Never mind....    we've known that for years.
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:yowsa: They call that rewarding friends and punishing enemies. (On the back side of every regulation is a license for their friends to do whatever they like if it doesn't exceed the mandated maximum. Only the biggest fish in the pond can afford to comply with that crap now.)

The environmental staff at a large refinery (employees and contractors) is typically about 200.  When I first started, it was less than 10.  That's what happens when the bureaucracy runs amok. 
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Elon Musk's position has not been authorized by any act of Congress. He has no authority.

And Elon isn't doing anything other than making recommendations that POTUS can choose to act on or not.
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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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The environmental staff at a large refinery (employees and contractors) is typically about 200.  When I first started, it was less than 10.  That's what happens when the bureaucracy runs amok.

Tell me about it! I worked overseas for years to avoid that BS!
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Elon Musk's position has not been authorized by any act of Congress. He has no authority.

Huh?

He is an unpaid advisor to the president, and has been given task to embark on one of the largest fact finding operations in human history. Give me one example where he is overstepped level of authority.  If you are alluding to the request for activities from bureaucrats, I think that is within the scope of said "fact finding". He has fired no one yet, and won't...   That's the job of each Cabinet, Agency, and Commissioner Secretary or Head.   Your anti-DOGE rhetoric is getting dangerously close to snowflake status.  Get with the program dude.
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And Elon isn't doing anything other than making recommendations that POTUS can choose to act on or not.




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Civil Disobedience?  I am hating government workers more by the day.

You want to know wbat I'd done if one of my employees had refused to prepare one of their monthly activity reports?

Hit the road Jack! Don't come back no more, no more.

All of us who have been employed at one time or another had to account for what we were doing. All of us who employed people wanted to know what was done at some point or another. It's a part of work. Yet govt. workers think they are above all that.

Can't wait to see more of the drama queens fired.
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Every day on a drilling rig, I send out a report at 5 AM documenting what was done in the last 24 hours, maximum and minimum parameters, geology, including an up to the minute strip log (for the whole well to that point), and anything else of note or concern. When steering the well, you can add another layer to that, including target depths for the next 1000 ft. and a cross section of the well as well as current correlation information. All of this is conducted onsite, regardless of the weather. (I have worked in conditions from 122 above to -60, in blizzards and stifling heat.)
Retirement? Personal Leave? Sick leave? If you want that, take it out of your day rate, and there is no guarantee you'll have a job tomorrow.
Arguably, what those of us who do what I do perform is a vital job that needs to be done for the safety and energy security of America. At any given time, there are only a few thousand of us in the field, worldwide. For the guys who work offshore, it can be even more challenging.

I'm having a really hard time finding my give-a-damn over folks who have climate controlled offices and scads of benefits who are having a hard time typing out a damned email. Take ten minutes and get it done. Less time to do it than bitch about it. Sheesh!

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The way they complain you would think they are being pulled away from open heart surgery. Also, the idea they have that they have a right to "resist" is beyond belief. If a representative of the boss asks for a 5 bullet point email you do it. If you don't like it find another job.
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Elon Musk's position has not been authorized by any act of Congress. He has no authority.

Wrong

Musk is working for the Chief Executive as an advisor. He doesn't need any authorization.
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I wouldn't reply.  If they are going to lay you off, they are going to lay you off after you forensically document everything you do, train your replacement, and transfer knowledge to offshore consultants.

It's best to be one of the first ones out the door.  If they offer a package, because each subsequent package will be less generous or there will not be other packages.

Those left behind will be mega-stressed, and the lucky ones will be able to voluntarily pursue outside opportunities.
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Tell me about it! I worked overseas for years to avoid that BS!
If that refinery was in California, it would be a staff of 2000.
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Right out of college, I did a one year stint at the State Level (Dept. of Health) .  When I trained with Chief, we spent half the day, doing his personal errands.  More than once he told me that since we made so little money, we were entitled to do that. 

That taught me everything I needed ot know about the government.
That is almost exactly what I had to do while a junior engineer in the Dept of Commerce.  I spent more time going to the GSA building collecting office supplies and making xerox copies than almost anything else.
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Wrong

Musk is working for the Chief Executive as an advisor. He doesn't need any authorization.


 No, not correct.  Musk has no power to act on his own.  All he can do is recommend - as an adviser who has not been confirmed by the Senate - and then the person he is advising - the President - must decide to take or not take the recommended actions.