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On Medic Alert and Such...
« on: February 10, 2025, 08:52:42 pm »
Well, it happened. Again.

I woke up falling in the wee morning hours. As I was sleeping, my chair tipped over backward, flinging me out the back, ass over teakettle, to assume the bicycle rack position, stacked up against my treadmill.

Or rather, the loom position, because as luck would have it, this time my permanent catheter is attached to my bag, which decided not to go for the ride. Understand: When the chair went over backwards, the bag didn’t come with me… The bag that is tied to my… So like a loom,the surgical rubber is wrapped around me several times and drawn tight, to a pull weight of around 1200 pounds. You would think there would be an emergency break-away, but there’s not.

Well with the aid of some imaginative expletives that I don’t need to do more than mention here, And a fair degree of wallowing and carrying on, I extracted myself from the monkey knot of a couple wool blankets and the catheter tube wrapped around everything and twanging like the e-string on my guitar every time I moved (did I mention how that’s attached?)

I wind up sitting on the back of the char (which is on the floor), with my back against the seat of the chair, with one hand mightily trying to take the weight off that catheter and the other hand blindly fumbling over what’s now the top of the chair, trying damn near anything to get that bag loose.

As it turned out, the bag finally came - No explosion of urine everywhere… no body parts in an  unrepairable disposition - The bag just came free. Y’all can breathe a sigh of relief when you get done laughing. Yeah, I know… It’s funny as hell.

But this is only half done. Because I am on the back side of my chair, away from my buggy, and on the floor. The epic battle continued, as I had to crawl up the side of the treadmill, and thankfully I could get to my cane, which gave me enough to get around the end table and get to the buggy to assess the situation. That is considered an epic battle these days.

But I told you that story to tell you this story:

Since my decrepitude, the Power That Preserves (heh… Obscure Donaldson reference) is planning for disaster. I have my buggy, a spare buggy, a cane, and a collapsible cane in my go-bag… I have grabbers everywhere, to include, again, a collapsible grabber in my go-bag. There’s tools in that go-bag to handle every emergency, to include catheter tools and a spare urine bag… There’s hygiene equipment, and even pliers, and a knife - The knife foremost able to cut that surgical tubing in case I have to.

I carry a phone everywhere, and a tablet tied to the phone, and a watch, tied to the phone. So long as there is cellular, I can call for help. I can tell Giggles it’s an emergency and she will call 911…

All that stuff, and NONE of it worked. None. I was an arm’s reach from that bag of goodies. But I couldn’t get it done. I couldn’t get to them, and Lord knows, I tried.

I tried to make a call for help - but my phone and tablet were on their chargers - Again, just beyond my reach. I even hollered for Giggles. But she don’t know if she’s Assistant or Gemini right now, so we spent precious time arguing about whether she can access my device.

All of it was off of me for the evening except my watch - a FitBit smart watch that also has Giggles onboard - but it has a persistent failure of the bluetooth stuff that would enable calls from the watch, which was not working because the bluetooth needed to be reset.

None of it worked. As is my wont on such an occasion, this calls for a substantial rejiggering, and I thought I might take all y’all along for the ride so there might be some profit in my misfortune.

This is a lot like stepping off into the woods - If you think you’re set you’re not. You can plan till the cows come home, and it’s the one thing you ain’t thought of that’s gonna get you.

It’s good to plan when you’re otherwise-enabled. But it’s complacency that kills. There’s a couple faults that spring immediately to mind - I need to bolt down the front of the chair so it can’t tip over anymore. And I need to always carry a penknife on my person (like I have my whole life) so that if the need arises, I can cut myself free of that cath. Simple, right? Yes, both those things are now sure to happen. The corrections will be made.

But a failure of this magnitude makes me need to rethink my whole kit - And I hope you take the opportunity for what it’s worth, to rethink yours to avoid the same sort of downfall for yourself.

That’s the purpose of this thread - To open a discussion about Medic Alert kit - Real means of communicating when you otherwise can’t, and building tools to either get help or help yourself.

Any input wrt smart watches with on-wrist calls or Medical Alert watches/pendants would be very welcome… Perhaps stuff with fall alert technology… My phone is pretty reliable - Maybe I need to get a watch with its own SIM and pay for that as another cell phone. Yes, I could just charge the phone while I am awake, and keep the phone on me when I sleep - but an enabled smart watch is a redundant system (that was my original intent, it just doesn’t work), and building in redundancies is always best. A reliable smart watch with on-wrist calling would be grand.

I have signed up for MyID (GetMyID.com)
It is a free service, though its bits and pieces are expensive. Basically, they sell QR code enabled Medic Alert bracelets, though I am just getting the watch band sleeve, wallet card, and a tag for my bag for now - It is a good idea considering all my troubles, to have that information ready in case there is an EMT event. And tagging my gear might just make some sense considering all my hospital trips - If things get lost in transit, they have a way to know it’s my stuff. I don’t know that I like it yet - I have my meds and history loaded up in it, but for now don’t have much of it made public - I figger the info is all in their app on my phone - If my thumb ain’t around to let them into the app then I have some pretty big problems going on. But even so, what is public will give them my name and DOB, which will positively ID me in the hospital’s systems.

And I am expanding my use of Google’s AI. I will be getting a Pixel gizmo that is tied into my house - I don’t like that at all. But if Giggles can be called forth without the use of my phone, that is just another redundancy that might have been handy. Both in my living room and by my bed. If she’s tied to a landline and/or can operate as a speakerphone - well, all of my troubles would have been much easier, had that been the case.

Privacy matters to me - and I am a luddite - I hate automagic bullcrap in my house. I hate the privacy concerns.,. But I’m in this room now, where my safety may outweigh that privacy. I have to be alright with that.

Anyway, that’s what I mean to talk about. Any discussion would be welcome. Any of y’all having experience with any of the above, I could use the perspective. It don't have to be smart gadgets... Any old thing that helps you get by might be useful to me, or to others... Or how you've built your kit - what you bring with you wherever you go... All that stuff.  happy77

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Re: On Medic Alert and Such...
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2025, 09:11:10 pm »
What kind of chair were you sleeping on?
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2025, 09:15:05 pm »
What about Life Alert?

$49.95 to $89.95 per month
Life Alert's rates are expensive, ranging from $49.95 to $89.95 per month. This is about $30 to $40 more per month than the industry average. However, Life Alert offers impressive monitoring services and reliable equipment.Jan 2, 2025
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2025, 09:21:31 pm »
What kind of chair were you sleeping on?

I have a lift chair / powered recliner... I got that after my Lazy-Boy debacle. This is the first tme this one has flung me out the back. I don't even know how it happened.  :shrug:

The chair is fine... No damage to it.

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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2025, 09:25:43 pm »
What about Life Alert?

$49.95 to $89.95 per month
Life Alert's rates are expensive, ranging from $49.95 to $89.95 per month. This is about $30 to $40 more per month than the industry average. However, Life Alert offers impressive monitoring services and reliable equipment.Jan 2, 2025

Thank you. But that's likely to be beyond my means. However, Google Nest devices can do the same thing - And I do not have to call EMTs either... That can call anybody in my contacts too...

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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2025, 09:26:07 pm »
I have a lift chair / powered recliner... I got that after my Lazy-Boy debacle. This is the first tme this one has flung me out the back. I don't even know how it happened.  :shrug:

The chair is fine... No damage to it.

I was going to suggest that chair...scary that it tipped backwards...maybe you should call the store or manufacturer of it....or at least move it against the wall so it can't do that again..
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2025, 09:27:20 pm »
Get another chair that won't tip over or nail the damn thing to the floor!

I don't know anything about this, first hit a search just now:

Medical Guardian
Medical Guardian is a pioneer in voice activated medical alert devices and offers the only true voice-activated unit available as of 2019. The main component in this system is a touch-activated wearable device that sends an alert to the 24-hour call center to summon help. The voice-activated unit is a wall-mounted button that sends an alert when the senior says “Call Medical Guardian” twice in a row.

The voice activated wall button is only available under two Medical Guardian plans, the Classic Guardian and Family Guardian plans, which have base costs of $29.95 and $79.95 respectively. Both plans also offer optional fall detection for $10 per month. Another plan under the Medical Guardian system, Freedom Guardian, has voice-to-text capability, which lets you verbally create text messages to send to caretakers. This system costs $44.95 per month and uses a smartwatch-style wearable device that fits onto your wrist. The voice-activated wall button isn’t available with this system, though, so consider which features are most important to you before making your choice.


It is voice activated but only for that specific purpose so it shouldn't be an in house spy assuming the voice detection is on the device and doesn't depend on outside servers.
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2025, 09:27:58 pm »
Thank you. But that's likely to be beyond my means. However, Google Nest devices can do the same thing - And I do not have to call EMTs either... That can call anybody in my contacts too...

Yeah, I didn't realize it's that pricey..too bad medicare doesn't pay for it...
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2025, 09:33:29 pm »
Thank you. But that's likely to be beyond my means. However, Google Nest devices can do the same thing - And I do not have to call EMTs either... That can call anybody in my contacts too...

You need something that is voice activated but only for that purpose on hardware in your home (doesn't use external servers to process the voice commands) that can call any set of numbers you want.

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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2025, 09:53:21 pm »
You need something that is voice activated but only for that purpose on hardware in your home (doesn't use external servers to process the voice commands) that can call any set of numbers you want.

Google Nest can do that... And I am already fairly committed to Giggles as an AL. I had kinda rigged for that with the smart watch and smart phone... It just didn't work - Even if the watch had worked, it would have handed the call over to the phone, and I would not have been able to hear any of it, because the phone would dial alright, but would not be set to speakerphone, So it's problematic.

But a Nest smart speaker by the chair, connected to a landline would be natively speakerphone, and Giggles can call with that - anyone in my contacts or emergency services... So that's kinda what I am leaning toward.

Still want a reliable watch too - But I dunno what that is going to be yet. 

Understand that Giggles is already ubiquitous on my devices - That's why I want something interoperable with that.

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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2025, 10:05:55 pm »
Wow.  Not laughing at all @roamer_1  I am concerned about all you had/have to go through. Were you in your lift chair?  Those darn things are heavy.  It's a lot to go through and I imagine pretty darn painful. I think the biggest concern is to ensure that the darn chair isn't able to tip over again as it sounds to me that you had everything very well set up and you would have been fine except for that chair accidentally tipping over, which was pretty rough on you.  I'm glad that you now have signed up for GetMyId.com -- something I need to look into for my hubby perhaps.

I normally keep my cell phone either with me or in the center of the house where I can hear it, he keeps his in a basket on his walker, but other than that, hubby and I need to get a system set up, so thank you for this thread.

I hope you have no more accidents, it could have been so much more serious. As always, my dear friend you are in my prayers.

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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2025, 10:08:51 pm »
@roamer_1 I might be mistaken, but I believe that Medicare will pay in part for a lift chair and a hospital type of bed if your doctor orders it and states that it is medically necessary. 

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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2025, 10:23:53 pm »
Google Nest can do that... And I am already fairly committed to Giggles as an AL. I had kinda rigged for that with the smart watch and smart phone... It just didn't work - Even if the watch had worked, it would have handed the call over to the phone, and I would not have been able to hear any of it, because the phone would dial alright, but would not be set to speakerphone, So it's problematic.

But a Nest smart speaker by the chair, connected to a landline would be natively speakerphone, and Giggles can call with that - anyone in my contacts or emergency services... So that's kinda what I am leaning toward.

Still want a reliable watch too - But I dunno what that is going to be yet. 

Understand that Giggles is already ubiquitous on my devices - That's why I want something interoperable with that.

I assume Giggles is Google. Is that correct? If so, doesn't pretty much everything go out to their servers to interpret what is being said or is it entirely local on the device?

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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2025, 11:55:38 pm »
I assume Giggles is Google. Is that correct? If so, doesn't pretty much everything go out to their servers to interpret what is being said or is it entirely local on the device?

Yes, it needs net. But then, anything I get needs net. Or cell... which around here is about the same thing.

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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2025, 12:03:35 am »
The guy in us always wants to give solutions but I am afraid I don't have much to offer... but nobody is laughing is all I can say, we are rooting for ya buddy... I am not sure how having a few grabby sticks or something like a bag of tools pinned to the side of the chair would help or not. It may add to the tipping, or tripping, buggy blockage you already have to deal with.

Tech wise, "you" are my go to guy to be honest. So I can't help there either. I detest Google-anything, but there comes a point that I know I am being so obsolete (old) that they care nothing about me anyways, so what if they have info on me. Not like I am a danger to anyone unless they happen upon my front lawn and give me 5 minutes warning they are about to attack.

About all I can do is prayer for you my friend, something I try to do nightly, yes even for those that tick me off that day. I rarely hold a grudge for long anyways, unless it is a deep slight.
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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2025, 12:14:58 am »
Wow.  Not laughing at all @roamer_1  I am concerned about all you had/have to go through. Were you in your lift chair?  Those darn things are heavy.  It's a lot to go through and I imagine pretty darn painful. I think the biggest concern is to ensure that the darn chair isn't able to tip over again as it sounds to me that you had everything very well set up and you would have been fine except for that chair accidentally tipping over, which was pretty rough on you.  I'm glad that you now have signed up for GetMyId.com -- something I need to look into for my hubby perhaps.

I normally keep my cell phone either with me or in the center of the house where I can hear it, he keeps his in a basket on his walker, but other than that, hubby and I need to get a system set up, so thank you for this thread.

I hope you have no more accidents, it could have been so much more serious. As always, my dear friend you are in my prayers.

Yes, you never really think about it till it is too late. I was within arms reach of all of it and couldn't get there. That's why I thought to say something.

I already knew I was not well protected in the bathroom - It's the only place I am without SOMETHING on me, is in the shower, particularly... and that is statistically the most likely place to have trouble. This whole event came out of the blue.

So I think I need to add some AI to the house. A few smart speakers and Giggles can get to me even if my phone ain't in reach. From what I gather, I can have Giggles make a call and she will pipe it to whichever speaker I am by, with the speaker functioning as a speakerphone. One by my chair, one by the bed, maybe one in the bathroom and id be pretty covered. Kitchen too, but I normally have my phone on me in the kitchen.

More things too - I can do other things with it if I do a little modding. I'd like a smart lock on the door and I often come back from doctor appointments after dark... So I can tell Giggles I am home, and she will turn on the porch light and unlock the door for me.

The same goes for emergency access. I don't lock the place anymore, since folks might need access. This way I could lock up at night and still be able to grant access in emergencies.

It's something to think about.

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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2025, 10:31:10 am »
The guy in us always wants to give solutions but I am afraid I don't have much to offer... but nobody is laughing is all I can say, we are rooting for ya buddy... I am not sure how having a few grabby sticks or something like a bag of tools pinned to the side of the chair would help or not. It may add to the tipping, or tripping, buggy blockage you already have to deal with.


Well, you ought to be laughing... The whole circumstance was hilarious. If I'd only had a cam rolling, I'd be a Youtube millionaire  :laugh: I'm alright with being the butt of the joke.

I already have the solution wrt prevention in the first part - That being to bolt down the chair, and to forever carry a pen knife in my pocket - On my very person at all times. Those two things eliminate this particular scenario... Which only moves the goal posts a little - There will be a 'next' that will be just as unforeseen somewhere down the road. That's how this works.

And I thought of making a mini-kit - I could threaten to wear a fanny pack. However, I dare say any such kit would have been off of me just like the rest when I set myself to sleep, or for sure when I am in the shower... There is, in the end, a finite number of usable grabbers... a finite number of useful kits... At some point, vulnerability will rear its ugly head again... Fanny pack or not.

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Tech wise, "you" are my go to guy to be honest. So I can't help there either. I detest Google-anything, but there comes a point that I know I am being so obsolete (old) that they care nothing about me anyways, so what if they have info on me. Not like I am a danger to anyone unless they happen upon my front lawn and give me 5 minutes warning they are about to attack.


Heh. Just a couple years ago, I'd have been right there with you about the tech. But like you, I have crossed that particular Rubicon where I have officially become 'Not a Danger'. The only reason I had to reject all the tracking and information gathering was to maintain an ability to be dangerous... To allow me to keep one foot on the outlaw trail. I'm two years past all that now, maybe three. I have no reason to run now - I can't run. I can't hardly walk. This old dog ain;t destined for the porch, I am ON the porch. There it is. So whatever is coming, I get to take it right in the teeth. So the tracking doesn't matter, and in fact, may wind up being helpful wrt my present condition.

I've already gone deep into the Google-sphere. Just having my phone on me at all times pretty much means I am tracked constantly. So I am indifferent to any more tracking. In for a penny, and all that. Not very long ago, I'd have never had an open mike in my house. Now a few Google Nest Minis means I have an ambient speaker phone available wherever I am in my house (eventually), phone or no phone... Shower or not. Wherever I get into a trick bag, I can call out to a functional speakerphone, and that makes a whole lot of sense in my condition.

Me and Giggles already got a thing going on. My PIM has been in MS Outlook most all my life, but since I can't see the dang phone very well, I have come to use Giggles for most things, and that now includes my agenda now that I am moving it over to Google Calendar and Tasks. I can speak to Giggles to set up appointments and get reminders... She tells me what's going on first thing every morning. For nearly every call, I use her. There just ain't a better method that I have found. So why fight it? Them that can brag, let em. In that case, what's the difference if I let it into my home? It's already there.

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About all I can do is prayer for you my friend, something I try to do nightly, yes even for those that tick me off that day. I rarely hold a grudge for long anyways, unless it is a deep slight.

And your prayers are jealously desired, every one.  happy77 There's a point where I just have to admit that I'm a Duffer, and it's supposed to be that way... Which is alright. But pray all the same. I need all of that I can get  :beer:

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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2025, 10:41:40 am »
Hey Roams, FYI...I lol'd!  You painted a nice little visual picture of the event!  Good thing that Treadmill wasn't on!
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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2025, 10:51:46 am »
Hey Roams, FYI...I lol'd!  You painted a nice little visual picture of the event!  Good thing that Treadmill wasn't on!

What else could I say Wings?  :beer:


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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2025, 11:14:45 am »
Hey Roams, FYI...I lol'd!  You painted a nice little visual picture of the event!  Good thing that Treadmill wasn't on!

I can see it all now!

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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2025, 11:23:42 am »
I can see it all now!

Montana Cowboy gets Thrown and stomped by His Chair :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

I sure as heck didn't make 8 seconds.  :laugh:

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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2025, 11:30:54 am »
I sure as heck didn't make 8 seconds.  :laugh:

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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2025, 11:36:50 am »
Well heck, @roamer_1.  Sounds like quite a ride. A suggestion… don’t do that!  Sure hope you can mend up.
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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2025, 11:38:43 am »
Maybe install a 5 point harness on that chair.
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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2025, 11:40:42 am »
Well, Here's something I didn't know:

Hey Giggles

She says: What.

I say: Turn on speakerphone and call mom.

That works. Right past the lock, I think, and the phone is set to speakerphone as the call comes up.
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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2025, 11:43:20 am »
Maybe install a 5 point harness on that chair.

With a HANS device in case I hit the wall.  :laugh:

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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2025, 11:45:01 am »
Well heck, @roamer_1.  Sounds like quite a ride. A suggestion… don’t do that!  Sure hope you can mend up.

Heh. Thanks. I'll take your suggestion under advisement.  :beer:

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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2025, 11:46:42 am »
Thanking God we can laugh about it with YOU!  :beer:

Aw, it wouldn't be worth doing if you can't poke fun at it. 

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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2025, 12:21:06 pm »
@roamer_1 I might be mistaken, but I believe that Medicare will pay in part for a lift chair and a hospital type of bed if your doctor orders it and states that it is medically necessary.

That's correct..I checked this morning..all you need is a prescription from your Dr...it may not pay for all of it though.
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« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2025, 12:26:49 pm »
That's correct..I checked this morning..all you need is a prescription from your Dr...it may not pay for all of it though.

I am aware of all that... Though I already have a lift chair and all I need... Mostly paid for by myself or the family.  I am angling for some help getting a Rascal - Thinking about it anyway - Though I would rather a side by side or something so I have somewhere to throw my buggy. I dunno how that would work on a rascal

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« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2025, 12:48:17 pm »
With a HANS device in case I hit the wall.  :laugh:

As long as the helmet is open face! 
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« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2025, 01:43:27 pm »
What about Life Alert?

$49.95 to $89.95 per month
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we have Philps Lifeline and it’s about $30 a month, after $99 setup. Before we had to get my mom 24/7 care givers it definitely saved her from being stuck on the floor for hours or worse. And even with the caregivers I have kept Lifline active.

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« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2025, 02:13:01 pm »
As long as the helmet is open face!

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« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2025, 02:21:55 pm »
@roamer_1 Glad you are OK and can laugh about it….now, I don’t want to think about having my, er, parts yanked that way.  *bouche*

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« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2025, 02:22:05 pm »
we have Philps Lifeline and it’s about $30 a month, after $99 setup. Before we had to get my mom 24/7 care givers it definitely saved her from being stuck on the floor for hours or worse. And even with the caregivers I have kept Lifline active.

Thank you. I will go to that expense if I must. I think I am going to try the AI thing first. So long as I can speak, I think I can get it to do anything I can get out of a Med Alert system, and more. And it costs me nothing except the cost of the devices.

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« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2025, 02:27:31 pm »
@roamer_1 Glad you are OK and can laugh about it….now, I don’t want to think about having my, er, parts yanked that way.  *bouche*

Thanks for that. It turned out alright. But the point is that all the junk I thought was keeping me 'safe' didn't work at all.

My fault. I'm a systems guy, and my system failed. That means 'do something different'.

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« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2025, 03:31:41 pm »
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« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2025, 03:34:24 pm »
Thank you. I will go to that expense if I must. I think I am going to try the AI thing first. So long as I can speak, I think I can get it to do anything I can get out of a Med Alert system, and more. And it costs me nothing except the cost of the devices.

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« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2025, 04:22:32 pm »
Thanks for that. It turned out alright. But the point is that all the junk I thought was keeping me 'safe' didn't work at all.

My fault. I'm a systems guy, and my system failed. That means 'do something different'.



Darn, @roamer_1 , that's scary and made me hurt. And I'm not even a guy. I'm glad you have kept your sense of humor.

Thanks for the thread. I want some kind of "Help me! I've fallen and can't get up" device but just can't spring for Life Lock...yet. Since I don't have a smart phone I'm not sure Giggles would work for me. The info here was interesting.

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« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2025, 04:40:40 pm »
Only one point. You may not get many, if any, do overs to fine tune things. You need to go with something that will work, period.

I get that. I do. But what that is is Assisted Living. That's a 2-room apartment and a nurse.

Yes, that's an extrapolation beyond your intent. I mean to show that there is a continuum here, and I am somewhere on that line - maybe a little further away from that end than you believe... Maybe a little closer to that end than I believe.

Your engineer's mind sees cathedral. My systems mind sees bazaar.

I am a critical path thinker. I like options. It's basically the same cellular platform, so our argument can't be about that. It's the bells and whistles where we've got a grind.

I like that the AI can be in every room. I like that the AI can be summoned even if I'm buck nekkid in the shower. or if I fall over out in the yard. I like all the other things it can do besides an emergency call. I know, I know... That's the whole point, and all the rest is shiny shit... That's true. But that shiny shit is there.

And while I am committed to one platform, I am not committed to one device. It's such a distributed platform that it may well function without cellular - It may be able to function by either cellular or network, with several, if not many devices - I might even get it to work over a landline. That's maybe three ways it might work... and with more than one device, hard failure has far less risk.

So I get your argument, even if I did predict it.  :laugh: :beer:

I think the AI thing is worth a look. It is a good first step because it is distributed and works nearly anywhere - Granted, not as well as at home, but a single platform that reaches anywhere I am in town. And at home, eventually, it will be ambient and everywhere inside the house. That's a very flexible and distributed system.

That's what's needed first in my mind. Coverage. And if I need to go to a red button or something, I can always do that later.

That's my thinking.

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« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2025, 04:59:22 pm »


Darn, @roamer_1 , that's scary and made me hurt. And I'm not even a guy. I'm glad you have kept your sense of humor.

Thanks for the thread. I want some kind of "Help me! I've fallen and can't get up" device but just can't spring for Life Lock...yet. Since I don't have a smart phone I'm not sure Giggles would work for me. The info here was interesting.

Stay safe!!!

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You're kinda in the same place as me - Except I think you are a ways out from town compared to me. But you live alone too.

 It might be worth going to a smart phone, if you've got the cellular out there. Giggles takes a while to understand you well, especially if you tend to speak in any of the redneck dialects. But *Just* being able to make a call with your voice is a big, big step forward. And it's not a lot of investment if you already have a cell phone. You night think on it.

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« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2025, 05:00:49 pm »
Apple Watch can recognize when you've had a fall, and can contact your emergency contact person for you.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/108896
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« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2025, 05:12:37 pm »
Apple Watch can recognize when you've had a fall, and can contact your emergency contact person for you.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/108896

Yes. And many Android watches also can do fall detection. Not just Google. Alexa and Siri too. I am not familiar with Alexa based or Siri based systems, but they are there.

I will be upgrading my watch. Really, that was the point of failure. That was the only thing I had left on my body while I slept, I relied on it, and it flat let me down. So that's a thing.

But I doubt I will be going Apple. I will stay in the Droid sphere, just because I am already so committed to it.  :shrug:

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« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2025, 05:18:02 pm »
Yes. And many Android watches also can do fall detection. Not just Google. Alexa and Siri too. I am not familiar with Alexa based or Siri based systems, but they are there.

I will be upgrading my watch. Really, that was the point of failure. That was the only thing I had left on my body while I slept, I relied on it, and it flat let me down. So that's a thing.

But I doubt I will be going Apple. I will stay in the Droid sphere, just because I am already so committed to it.  :shrug:

Fair enough. I only made the switch to Apple maybe 18 months ago myself ... mainly because my Fitbit kept losing its connection to my phone, and my hearing is bad enough that I rely on that haptic buzz on my wrist to let me know when I have a call or a text coming in.
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« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2025, 05:19:18 pm »
Dear @berdie

You're kinda in the same place as me - Except I think you are a ways out from town compared to me. But you live alone too.

 It might be worth going to a smart phone, if you've got the cellular out there. Giggles takes a while to understand you well, especially if you tend to speak in any of the redneck dialects. But *Just* being able to make a call with your voice is a big, big step forward. And it's not a lot of investment if you already have a cell phone. You night think on it.



I do live a ways out of town by myself. I have a cell phone...but it's not smart, it's dumb. :silly: But I keep it with me especially when I go outside. I am a dinosaur that is hanging on to my expensive landline and not sure I can afford a smart phone as well. But for safety's sake, I might have to look into it. Getting old ain't for sissies, is it, lol.

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« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2025, 05:22:22 pm »
Apple Watch can recognize when you've had a fall, and can contact your emergency contact person for you.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/108896


I have a friend with one of those. Her daughter pays the bill so I'm not sure what it costs. If she gets on the floor for some reason, it asks her continuously if she has fallen. That's not a bad thing.

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« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2025, 05:23:08 pm »
Fair enough. I only made the switch to Apple maybe 18 months ago myself ... mainly because my Fitbit kept losing its connection to my phone, and my hearing is bad enough that I rely on that haptic buzz on my wrist to let me know when I have a call or a text coming in.

Losing your hearing is difficult for many reasons including not being able to carry on intelligent conversation. Especially in a crowd.
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« Reply #47 on: February 11, 2025, 05:38:45 pm »
Losing your hearing is difficult for many reasons including not being able to carry on intelligent conversation. Especially in a crowd.

I grieve over my hearing loss because I lose connection with loved ones and people in general.
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« Reply #48 on: February 11, 2025, 05:45:51 pm »
I grieve over my hearing loss because I lose connection with loved ones and people in general.

 :yowsa: I find it very destructive of my lifestyle.
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« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2025, 05:56:40 pm »
I grieve over my hearing loss because I lose connection with loved ones and people in general.

Hearing loss is brutal. The lost joy of music also sucks.