ZELENSKY COMPLAINS ABOUT AID FROM U.S. TAXPAYERS.

[mystery-ak]

 

https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1886139213382304041

[libertybele]

Wow.  Just wow!   

[Timber Rattler]

That headline is totally dishonest and sensationalistic. There's no complaint in that explanation.  Zelensky is just trying to explain the breakdown in the aid and how it has arrived and in what form to set the record straight, and disabuse the accusations that pallets of $$$$$ are being flown into Kyiv, which is not true.  Most of the aid is in the form of weapons, vehicles, aircraft, ammunition and missiles, training, logistics, and intelligence...THAT's what he's saying...cash ito pay the bills is only a relatively "small" part of the aid.  he was asked and he answered, and now it's been twisted and turned against him.  No wonder he doesn't like giving interviews.

Gawd I hate these kind of stories that distort the facts to gin up online cliks and stoke the outrage machine!  The Citizen Free Press should know better!

[libertybele]

That headline is totally dishonest and sensationalistic. There's no complaint in that explanation.  Zelensky is just trying to explain the breakdown in the aid and how it has arrived and in what form to set the record straight, and disabuse the accusations that pallets of $$$$$ are being flown into Kyiv, which is not true.  Most of the aid is in the form of weapons, vehicles, aircraft, ammunition and missiles, training, logistics, and intelligence...THAT's what he's saying...cash ito pay the bills is only a relatively "small" part of the aid.  he was asked and he answered, and now it's been twisted and turned against him.  No wonder he doesn't like giving interviews.

Gawd I hate these kind of stories that distort the facts to gin up online cliks and stoke the outrage machine!  The Citizen Free Press should know better!

Well, IIRC there was another article floating around here stating that Trump wants an 'accounting' of Ukraine and I hope that happens sooner rather than later. 

Regardless of how the $$ was spent in Ukraine and Z giving an accounting -- we have spent BILLIONS.  Enough is enough!

[Timber Rattler]

Regardless of how the $$ was spent in Ukraine and Z giving an accounting -- we have spent BILLIONS.  Enough is enough!

Which is far cheaper than having to fight the Russians ourselves in eastern Europe and Alaska, expending our own blood along with our treasure, instead of arming and Ukrainians and letting them fight themselves.  So we should just let Putin win, allow him to swallow up Ukraine and ultimately Eastern Europe (again), and re-establish Russian military dominance overseas, just because it is expensive and inconvenient for the U.S. to fight back?  Surrender is always the best option, right?  I sure am glad that Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt did not feel that way in 1940.

Has EVERYBODY forgotten the lessons of appeasement, isolationism, and World War II?  That ended badly for the U.S. in 1941!!!!

 

[DB]

Well, IIRC there was another article floating around here stating that Trump wants an 'accounting' of Ukraine and I hope that happens sooner rather than later. 

Regardless of how the $$ was spent in Ukraine and Z giving an accounting -- we have spent BILLIONS.  Enough is enough!

Trump's accounting quote was much more broad than just Ukraine. He wants an audit of all the money/weapons as it passed through US government and its proxies hands. Much of that money dissappeared along the way.

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1886159787252973642

[libertybele]

Which is far cheaper than having to fight the Russians ourselves in eastern Europe and Alaska, expending our own blood along with our treasure, instead of arming and Ukrainians and letting them fight themselves.  So we should just let Putin win, allow him to swallow up Ukraine and ultimately Eastern Europe (again), and re-establish Russian military dominance overseas, just because it is expensive and inconvenient for the U.S. to fight back?  Surrender is always the best option, right?  I sure am glad that Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt did not feel that way in 1940.

Has EVERYBODY forgotten the lessons of appeasement, isolationism, and World War II?  That ended badly for the U.S. in 1941!!!!

 

Here we go again.  The Russo-Ukraine war has been going on for many decades and there's a lot of 'history' on both sides of ruthlessness.  The most current conflict escalated under Biden and IMO that was done purposefully for his financial gain as well as his cronies. 

If I am understanding your post correctly, you are saying that you believe Putin would fight us on our own soil?  I'm not in agreement with that unless Putin were to be backed into a corner.

The war is between Putin and Ukraine and our monetary help and "talks' sure as heck in the past 4 years haven't accomplished a whole lot other than feeding BILLIONS into the pockets of others with a tremendous amount of destruction and blood spilled on both sides.

Z on multiple occasions has begged the U.S. for more aid; again and again and again.  So -- who is surrendering?  We are surrendering to Ukraine and giving them whatever they ask for.  Perhaps Z himself has not profited monetarily, but I find it hard to believe that no one in Ukraine has made $$ off this war and as long as they are in a position to gain monetarily what incentive is there for Ukraine to resolve/withdraw this war and as long as Putin feels threatened (NAT0) what incentive is there for him to resolve/withdraw?

[Hoodat]

So, what was the complaint? 

[libertybele]

So, what was the complaint?

Accd'g to the video; "We only received $77 billion in cash, the rest was weapons.'

Gee, I don't know I see that as he's complaining that he didn't get enough cash.  Just my opinion.

[DB]

Accd'g to the video; "We only received $77 billion in cash, the rest was weapons.'

Gee, I don't know I see that as he's complaining that he didn't get enough cash.  Just my opinion.

Or maybe he's complaining that Biden and crew took the cash on the way there. Something most of us have been pointing out for years. That's not his fault.

[Timber Rattler]

 

The Russo-Ukraine war has been going on for many decades and there's a lot of 'history' on both sides of ruthlessness.

That's not true.

If I am understanding your post correctly, you are saying that you believe Putin would fight us on our own soil?  I'm not in agreement with that unless Putin were to be backed into a corner.

He absolutely would.  Have you been ignoring all the posts and stories about the Russians having their eyes on Alaska and want it back?  Here's the latest in a long string of such threats and stories coming out of the Kremlin:

Putin Ally Calls for Alaska's Return to Russia

https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-solovyov-calls-alaskas-return-russia-2006979



History teaches us that when a totalitarian dictator (like Putin) and his lackeys say they want something and are threatening to take it, then perhaps we should listen to them.

The war is between Putin and Ukraine and our monetary help and "talks' sure as heck in the past 4 years haven't accomplished a whole lot other than feeding BILLIONS into the pockets of others with a tremendous amount of destruction and blood spilled on both sides.

That's not true either.  Has Kyiv fallen?  Is Zelensky still president?  Have the Russians crossed the Dnipro River? How about Kherson and Odessa?  And remind me again where the Russian Black Sea fleet is?  Answer:  At the bottom of the Black Sea.

Z on multiple occasions has begged the U.S. for more aid; again and again and again.

Just like Winston Churchill did in 1940.  And why wouldn't he?  he's trying to save his country.  Wouldn't you if you were in his position?  Remember that he had the chance to run away and live in relative comfort somewhere else (just like the Afghan president) but instead chose to stay and fight. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkNiYYzHeDs

Do you not respect that at all?  Seems like Zelensky is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

So -- who is surrendering? 

You are, for one.  "Enough is enough!"  Did you not say that?

We are surrendering to Ukraine and giving them whatever they ask for.

That's not true either.  How many times has Zelensky complained when Biden refused to send certain long range strategic weapons, or else attack the Russians on their own territory?

Perhaps Z himself has not profited monetarily,

Finally!  There is ZERO evidence that he has profited in any way from this war.  In fact, it appears to have taken a heavy toll on him.  He looks tired and has aged noticeably. 

Zelensky in 2022:



Zelensky in 2025:



Does he look like he's having a good time fighting the Russians?

but I find it hard to believe that no one in Ukraine has made $$ off this war and as long as they are in a position to gain monetarily

Perhaps, but that is the nature of wars.  Ever hear of the "Merchants of Death" in the U.S.?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_death

what incentive is there for Ukraine to resolve/withdraw this war and as long as Putin feels threatened (NAT0) what incentive is there for him to resolve/withdraw?

That's complete and utter BS that Putin feels threatened by anybody.  NATO is just an excuse that he conjured up to try and justify his invasion of Ukraine and prior attacks on other countries (like Chechnya and Georgia).  If Putin truly feels threatened by NATO and believed that he was mitigation that threat by swallowing up Ukraine, then his strategy backfired totally, with Finland and Sweden joining the alliance and cutting Russia off from the North Atlantic via the Baltic Sea.  Well played, Vlad!!!

And BTW, what makes you think that Putin actually wants to end the war and negotiate in good faith?  He hasn't honored any agreement he has ever signed.

[Canuck Conservative]

That headline is totally dishonest and sensationalistic.

Of course, that's why it was put in ALL CAPS. Look at me!

[Timber Rattler]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1886159787252973642

The Gateway Pundit is a garbage blog.  Period.

[jmyrlefuller]

The fact that the West has allowed this to drag on for three years and Putin has faced no real threat of being deposed or worse should tell you all you need to know.

The fact is, we don't have enough manpower to effectively fight a war anymore. We aren't having enough children. We'll be sending women and old people to fight and, likely, lose. American decline is real, and it is what has allowed this to happen. Instead of mutual assured destruction we have the real threat of being conquered.

[DB]

All indications are is that Trump is going to further arm Ukraine and cutoff Russian exports. That is not what the MAGAs thought he was going to do.

And in doing so he may actually bring the conflict to an end without Ukraine surrendering like some many MAGAs demanded.

[Timber Rattler]

The fact that the West has allowed this to drag on for three years and Putin has faced no real threat of being deposed or worse should tell you all you need to know.

So what could the West actually have done to have stopped the war, aside from sending NATO troops into the fight, allowing the Ukrainians to take out Russian strategic targets behind the lines, like the Kerch bridge, or forcing them to surrender to Putin by cutting off all aid, which would just encourage more bad behavior by the Russians?

Why Biden’s Ukraine Win Was Zelensky’s Loss

https://time.com/7207661/bidens-ukraine-win-zelensky-loss/

When Russia invaded Ukraine nearly three years ago, President Joe Biden set three objectives for the U.S. response. Ukraine’s victory was never among them. The phrase the White House used to describe its mission at the time—supporting Ukraine “for as long as it takes”—was intentionally vague. It also raised the question: As long as it takes to do what?

“We were deliberately not talking about the territorial parameters,” says Eric Green, who served on Biden’s National Security Council at the time, overseeing Russia policy. The U.S., in other words, made no promise to help Ukraine recover all of the land Russia had occupied, and certainly not the vast territories in eastern Ukraine and the Crimean Peninsula taken in its initial invasion in 2014. The reason was simple, Green says: in the White House’s view, doing so was beyond Ukraine’s ability, even with robust help from the West. “That was not going to be a success story ultimately. The more important objective was for Ukraine to survive as a sovereign, democratic country free to pursue integration with the West.”

That was one of the three objectives Biden set. He also wanted the U.S. and its allies to remain united, and he insisted on avoiding direct conflict between Russia and NATO. Looking back on his leadership during the war in Ukraine — certain to shape his legacy as a statesman — Biden has achieved those three objectives. But success on those limited terms provides little satisfaction even to some of his closest allies and advisers. “It’s unfortunately the kind of success where you don’t feel great about it,” Green says in an interview with TIME. “Because there is so much suffering for Ukraine and so much uncertainty about where it’s ultimately going to land.”

Instead of mutual assured destruction we have the real threat of being conquered.

Or bought by the ChiComs...

Chinese Companies Keep Buying U.S. Land Near Military Bases

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/05/16/china-buy-u-s-farmland-near-military-bases-blocked-cfius/





“When it comes time to hang the capitalists, they will vie with each other for the rope contract.”  --Vladimir Lenin

[Canuck Conservative]

Re - all the talk about "$70 Billion to Ukraine"

some perspective -

Americans spend $100 billion every year on haircuts (or lottery tickets), $200 billion on skincare

"just sayin"

[dfwgator]

It went up Hunter's nose.

[mountaineer]

Re - all the talk about "$70 Billion to Ukraine"

some perspective -

Americans spend $100 billion every year on haircuts (or lottery tickets), $200 billion on skincare

"just sayin"

Does the phrase "apples and oranges" mean anything to you?

[jafo2010]

Timber Rattler...

So we should just let Putin win, allow him to swallow up Ukraine and ultimately Eastern Europe (again), and re-establish Russian military dominance overseas, just because it is expensive and inconvenient for the U.S. to fight back?  Surrender is always the best option, right?  I sure am glad that Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt did not feel that way in 1940.

Has EVERYBODY forgotten the lessons of appeasement, isolationism, and World War II?  That ended badly for the U.S. in 1941!!!!

I would say you are a bit naive on Ukraine.  Fact is, Putin has won already.  He has captured much of what he wanted.  He wanted the wealth of eastern Ukraine's mineral resources, which I am sure he will place in his pocket, and that of 1 or 2 of his oligarchs.

First, Russia has proven to be a paper tiger with this war.  Ukraine has managed to stand off Russia from seizing most of the country.  2nd, all the other eastern nations are members of NATO.  Do you really believe this paper tiger nation with its military depleted will attack eastern Europe?    As it is, Russia is bringing to the front line tanks that are 50 years old.  There equipment is being rapidly destroyed.  To point out an obvious fact, the Ukrainians have seized a Russian city, or large parts thereof, and have managed to hang on to it.

Russia is using North Korean troops, and paying mercenaries to fight on their front lines.  This is NOT an indicator of strength.

And it is forecast that Russia runs out of money by the fall, so what then.  FACT is that Trump attempting an end to this war will actually save Putin's *ss, for when he runs out of money in the fall and Russia collapses as they did in 1991, what does that spell for Putin?

This war will end.  Trump will put the screws to Zelensky and Putin both.  And about time.  The feckless Wrecking Ball Joe's sole focus was feeding the military/industrial complex.  A true and loyal pawn of the Deep State and China, for which he was a puppet traitor.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Well, IIRC there was another article floating around here stating that Trump wants an 'accounting' of Ukraine and I hope that happens sooner rather than later. 

Regardless of how the $$ was spent in Ukraine and Z giving an accounting -- we have spent BILLIONS.  Enough is enough!

There will be no accounting as it will find Biden and family received millions in kickbacks.

Biden sent Ukraine money in order to get rich

[libertybele]

Re - all the talk about "$70 Billion to Ukraine"

some perspective -

Americans spend $100 billion every year on haircuts (or lottery tickets), $200 billion on skincare

"just sayin"

?? What does that have to do with anything?  It's our money.  We've given the money to Z.

We could have taken that $70 BILLION and built a remarkable and darn near impenetrable wall at our southern border and protected our own country.  Just sayin'.

[libertybele]

There will be no accounting as it will find Biden and family received millions in kickbacks.

Biden sent Ukraine money in order to get rich

Of course he did and both he and Hunter go rich off of Ukraine from Poroshenko and Burisma.

No worries though, Hunter has been pardoned.

[jafo2010]

libertybele...

Perhaps Z himself has not profited monetarily, but I find it hard to believe that no one in Ukraine has made $$ off this war and as long as they are in a position to gain monetarily what incentive is there for Ukraine to resolve/withdraw this war

Oh, Z has most certainly profited personally.  He has a home in Florida valued at $15 million.  And his cohorts have been buying up multi-million dollar estates in Switzerland.  There is a lot of abuse and taking of US aid and pocketing the money.  If Trump has a real accounting, the abuse will be huge.

What I want to know is how much of that money found its way back to the pockets of politicians in our government, from Biden on down through Congress?  One more group of folks that will want someone dead, if you know what I mean.

Making friends every where [sarcasm] results in bad things happening.