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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2025, 03:41:21 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2025, 03:53:47 pm »
That headline is totally dishonest and sensationalistic. There's no complaint in that explanation.  Zelensky is just trying to explain the breakdown in the aid and how it has arrived and in what form to set the record straight, and disabuse the accusations that pallets of $$$$$ are being flown into Kyiv, which is not true.  Most of the aid is in the form of weapons, vehicles, aircraft, ammunition and missiles, training, logistics, and intelligence...THAT's what he's saying...cash ito pay the bills is only a relatively "small" part of the aid.  he was asked and he answered, and now it's been twisted and turned against him.  No wonder he doesn't like giving interviews.

Gawd I hate these kind of stories that distort the facts to gin up online cliks and stoke the outrage machine!  The Citizen Free Press should know better!
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2025, 03:57:38 pm »
That headline is totally dishonest and sensationalistic. There's no complaint in that explanation.  Zelensky is just trying to explain the breakdown in the aid and how it has arrived and in what form to set the record straight, and disabuse the accusations that pallets of $$$$$ are being flown into Kyiv, which is not true.  Most of the aid is in the form of weapons, vehicles, aircraft, ammunition and missiles, training, logistics, and intelligence...THAT's what he's saying...cash ito pay the bills is only a relatively "small" part of the aid.  he was asked and he answered, and now it's been twisted and turned against him.  No wonder he doesn't like giving interviews.

Gawd I hate these kind of stories that distort the facts to gin up online cliks and stoke the outrage machine!  The Citizen Free Press should know better!

Well, IIRC there was another article floating around here stating that Trump wants an 'accounting' of Ukraine and I hope that happens sooner rather than later. 

Regardless of how the $$ was spent in Ukraine and Z giving an accounting -- we have spent BILLIONS.  Enough is enough!

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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2025, 04:02:57 pm »
Regardless of how the $$ was spent in Ukraine and Z giving an accounting -- we have spent BILLIONS.  Enough is enough!

Which is far cheaper than having to fight the Russians ourselves in eastern Europe and Alaska, expending our own blood along with our treasure, instead of arming and Ukrainians and letting them fight themselves.  So we should just let Putin win, allow him to swallow up Ukraine and ultimately Eastern Europe (again), and re-establish Russian military dominance overseas, just because it is expensive and inconvenient for the U.S. to fight back?  Surrender is always the best option, right?  I sure am glad that Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt did not feel that way in 1940.

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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2025, 04:03:05 pm »
Well, IIRC there was another article floating around here stating that Trump wants an 'accounting' of Ukraine and I hope that happens sooner rather than later. 

Regardless of how the $$ was spent in Ukraine and Z giving an accounting -- we have spent BILLIONS.  Enough is enough!

Trump's accounting quote was much more broad than just Ukraine. He wants an audit of all the money/weapons as it passed through US government and its proxies hands. Much of that money dissappeared along the way.

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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2025, 04:32:34 pm »
Which is far cheaper than having to fight the Russians ourselves in eastern Europe and Alaska, expending our own blood along with our treasure, instead of arming and Ukrainians and letting them fight themselves.  So we should just let Putin win, allow him to swallow up Ukraine and ultimately Eastern Europe (again), and re-establish Russian military dominance overseas, just because it is expensive and inconvenient for the U.S. to fight back?  Surrender is always the best option, right?  I sure am glad that Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt did not feel that way in 1940.

Has EVERYBODY forgotten the lessons of appeasement, isolationism, and World War II?  That ended badly for the U.S. in 1941!!!!

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Here we go again.  The Russo-Ukraine war has been going on for many decades and there's a lot of 'history' on both sides of ruthlessness.  The most current conflict escalated under Biden and IMO that was done purposefully for his financial gain as well as his cronies. 

If I am understanding your post correctly, you are saying that you believe Putin would fight us on our own soil?  I'm not in agreement with that unless Putin were to be backed into a corner.

The war is between Putin and Ukraine and our monetary help and "talks' sure as heck in the past 4 years haven't accomplished a whole lot other than feeding BILLIONS into the pockets of others with a tremendous amount of destruction and blood spilled on both sides.

Z on multiple occasions has begged the U.S. for more aid; again and again and again.  So -- who is surrendering?  We are surrendering to Ukraine and giving them whatever they ask for.  Perhaps Z himself has not profited monetarily, but I find it hard to believe that no one in Ukraine has made $$ off this war and as long as they are in a position to gain monetarily what incentive is there for Ukraine to resolve/withdraw this war and as long as Putin feels threatened (NAT0) what incentive is there for him to resolve/withdraw?
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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2025, 04:39:08 pm »
So, what was the complaint? 
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2025, 04:42:54 pm »
So, what was the complaint?

Accd'g to the video; "We only received $77 billion in cash, the rest was weapons.'

Gee, I don't know I see that as he's complaining that he didn't get enough cash.  Just my opinion.

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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2025, 04:52:45 pm »
Accd'g to the video; "We only received $77 billion in cash, the rest was weapons.'

Gee, I don't know I see that as he's complaining that he didn't get enough cash.  Just my opinion.

Or maybe he's complaining that Biden and crew took the cash on the way there. Something most of us have been pointing out for years. That's not his fault.

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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2025, 05:04:40 pm »

 
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The Russo-Ukraine war has been going on for many decades and there's a lot of 'history' on both sides of ruthlessness.


That's not true.

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If I am understanding your post correctly, you are saying that you believe Putin would fight us on our own soil?  I'm not in agreement with that unless Putin were to be backed into a corner.

He absolutely would.  Have you been ignoring all the posts and stories about the Russians having their eyes on Alaska and want it back?  Here's the latest in a long string of such threats and stories coming out of the Kremlin:

Putin Ally Calls for Alaska's Return to Russia

https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-solovyov-calls-alaskas-return-russia-2006979



History teaches us that when a totalitarian dictator (like Putin) and his lackeys say they want something and are threatening to take it, then perhaps we should listen to them.

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The war is between Putin and Ukraine and our monetary help and "talks' sure as heck in the past 4 years haven't accomplished a whole lot other than feeding BILLIONS into the pockets of others with a tremendous amount of destruction and blood spilled on both sides.

That's not true either.  Has Kyiv fallen?  Is Zelensky still president?  Have the Russians crossed the Dnipro River? How about Kherson and Odessa?  And remind me again where the Russian Black Sea fleet is?  Answer:  At the bottom of the Black Sea.



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Z on multiple occasions has begged the U.S. for more aid; again and again and again.


Just like Winston Churchill did in 1940.  And why wouldn't he?  he's trying to save his country.  Wouldn't you if you were in his position?  Remember that he had the chance to run away and live in relative comfort somewhere else (just like the Afghan president) but instead chose to stay and fight. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkNiYYzHeDs

Do you not respect that at all?  Seems like Zelensky is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

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So -- who is surrendering? 

You are, for one.  "Enough is enough!"  Did you not say that?

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We are surrendering to Ukraine and giving them whatever they ask for.

That's not true either.  How many times has Zelensky complained when Biden refused to send certain long range strategic weapons, or else attack the Russians on their own territory?

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Perhaps Z himself has not profited monetarily,

Finally!  There is ZERO evidence that he has profited in any way from this war.  In fact, it appears to have taken a heavy toll on him.  He looks tired and has aged noticeably. 

Zelensky in 2022:



Zelensky in 2025:



Does he look like he's having a good time fighting the Russians?

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but I find it hard to believe that no one in Ukraine has made $$ off this war and as long as they are in a position to gain monetarily

Perhaps, but that is the nature of wars.  Ever hear of the "Merchants of Death" in the U.S.?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_death



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what incentive is there for Ukraine to resolve/withdraw this war and as long as Putin feels threatened (NAT0) what incentive is there for him to resolve/withdraw?

That's complete and utter BS that Putin feels threatened by anybody.  NATO is just an excuse that he conjured up to try and justify his invasion of Ukraine and prior attacks on other countries (like Chechnya and Georgia).  If Putin truly feels threatened by NATO and believed that he was mitigation that threat by swallowing up Ukraine, then his strategy backfired totally, with Finland and Sweden joining the alliance and cutting Russia off from the North Atlantic via the Baltic Sea.  Well played, Vlad!!!

And BTW, what makes you think that Putin actually wants to end the war and negotiate in good faith?  He hasn't honored any agreement he has ever signed.


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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2025, 05:04:41 pm »
That headline is totally dishonest and sensationalistic.

Of course, that's why it was put in ALL CAPS. Look at me!

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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2025, 05:06:49 pm »
The fact that the West has allowed this to drag on for three years and Putin has faced no real threat of being deposed or worse should tell you all you need to know.

The fact is, we don't have enough manpower to effectively fight a war anymore. We aren't having enough children. We'll be sending women and old people to fight and, likely, lose. American decline is real, and it is what has allowed this to happen. Instead of mutual assured destruction we have the real threat of being conquered.
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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2025, 05:14:44 pm »
All indications are is that Trump is going to further arm Ukraine and cutoff Russian exports. That is not what the MAGAs thought he was going to do.

And in doing so he may actually bring the conflict to an end without Ukraine surrendering like some many MAGAs demanded.

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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2025, 05:19:38 pm »

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The fact that the West has allowed this to drag on for three years and Putin has faced no real threat of being deposed or worse should tell you all you need to know.

So what could the West actually have done to have stopped the war, aside from sending NATO troops into the fight, allowing the Ukrainians to take out Russian strategic targets behind the lines, like the Kerch bridge, or forcing them to surrender to Putin by cutting off all aid, which would just encourage more bad behavior by the Russians?

Why Biden’s Ukraine Win Was Zelensky’s Loss

https://time.com/7207661/bidens-ukraine-win-zelensky-loss/

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When Russia invaded Ukraine nearly three years ago, President Joe Biden set three objectives for the U.S. response. Ukraine’s victory was never among them. The phrase the White House used to describe its mission at the time—supporting Ukraine “for as long as it takes”—was intentionally vague. It also raised the question: As long as it takes to do what?

“We were deliberately not talking about the territorial parameters,” says Eric Green, who served on Biden’s National Security Council at the time, overseeing Russia policy. The U.S., in other words, made no promise to help Ukraine recover all of the land Russia had occupied, and certainly not the vast territories in eastern Ukraine and the Crimean Peninsula taken in its initial invasion in 2014. The reason was simple, Green says: in the White House’s view, doing so was beyond Ukraine’s ability, even with robust help from the West. “That was not going to be a success story ultimately. The more important objective was for Ukraine to survive as a sovereign, democratic country free to pursue integration with the West.”

That was one of the three objectives Biden set. He also wanted the U.S. and its allies to remain united, and he insisted on avoiding direct conflict between Russia and NATO. Looking back on his leadership during the war in Ukraine — certain to shape his legacy as a statesman — Biden has achieved those three objectives. But success on those limited terms provides little satisfaction even to some of his closest allies and advisers. “It’s unfortunately the kind of success where you don’t feel great about it,” Green says in an interview with TIME. “Because there is so much suffering for Ukraine and so much uncertainty about where it’s ultimately going to land.”

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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2025, 05:46:04 pm »
Re - all the talk about "$70 Billion to Ukraine"

some perspective -

Americans spend $100 billion every year on haircuts (or lottery tickets), $200 billion on skincare

"just sayin"

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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2025, 05:48:59 pm »
Re - all the talk about "$70 Billion to Ukraine"

some perspective -

Americans spend $100 billion every year on haircuts (or lottery tickets), $200 billion on skincare

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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2025, 05:51:09 pm »
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Timber Rattler...

So we should just let Putin win, allow him to swallow up Ukraine and ultimately Eastern Europe (again), and re-establish Russian military dominance overseas, just because it is expensive and inconvenient for the U.S. to fight back?  Surrender is always the best option, right?  I sure am glad that Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt did not feel that way in 1940.

Has EVERYBODY forgotten the lessons of appeasement, isolationism, and World War II?  That ended badly for the U.S. in 1941!!!!


I would say you are a bit naive on Ukraine.  Fact is, Putin has won already.  He has captured much of what he wanted.  He wanted the wealth of eastern Ukraine's mineral resources, which I am sure he will place in his pocket, and that of 1 or 2 of his oligarchs.

First, Russia has proven to be a paper tiger with this war.  Ukraine has managed to stand off Russia from seizing most of the country.  2nd, all the other eastern nations are members of NATO.  Do you really believe this paper tiger nation with its military depleted will attack eastern Europe?    As it is, Russia is bringing to the front line tanks that are 50 years old.  There equipment is being rapidly destroyed.  To point out an obvious fact, the Ukrainians have seized a Russian city, or large parts thereof, and have managed to hang on to it.

Russia is using North Korean troops, and paying mercenaries to fight on their front lines.  This is NOT an indicator of strength.

And it is forecast that Russia runs out of money by the fall, so what then.  FACT is that Trump attempting an end to this war will actually save Putin's *ss, for when he runs out of money in the fall and Russia collapses as they did in 1991, what does that spell for Putin?

This war will end.  Trump will put the screws to Zelensky and Putin both.  And about time.  The feckless Wrecking Ball Joe's sole focus was feeding the military/industrial complex.  A true and loyal pawn of the Deep State and China, for which he was a puppet traitor.

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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2025, 05:52:13 pm »
Well, IIRC there was another article floating around here stating that Trump wants an 'accounting' of Ukraine and I hope that happens sooner rather than later. 

Regardless of how the $$ was spent in Ukraine and Z giving an accounting -- we have spent BILLIONS.  Enough is enough!
There will be no accounting as it will find Biden and family received millions in kickbacks.

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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2025, 05:53:04 pm »
Re - all the talk about "$70 Billion to Ukraine"

some perspective -

Americans spend $100 billion every year on haircuts (or lottery tickets), $200 billion on skincare

"just sayin"

?? What does that have to do with anything?  It's our money.  We've given the money to Z.

We could have taken that $70 BILLION and built a remarkable and darn near impenetrable wall at our southern border and protected our own country.  Just sayin'.

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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2025, 05:56:03 pm »
There will be no accounting as it will find Biden and family received millions in kickbacks.

Biden sent Ukraine money in order to get rich

Of course he did and both he and Hunter go rich off of Ukraine from Poroshenko and Burisma.

No worries though, Hunter has been pardoned.

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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2025, 06:01:16 pm »
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Perhaps Z himself has not profited monetarily, but I find it hard to believe that no one in Ukraine has made $$ off this war and as long as they are in a position to gain monetarily what incentive is there for Ukraine to resolve/withdraw this war


Oh, Z has most certainly profited personally.  He has a home in Florida valued at $15 million.  And his cohorts have been buying up multi-million dollar estates in Switzerland.  There is a lot of abuse and taking of US aid and pocketing the money.  If Trump has a real accounting, the abuse will be huge.

What I want to know is how much of that money found its way back to the pockets of politicians in our government, from Biden on down through Congress?  One more group of folks that will want someone dead, if you know what I mean.

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« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2025, 06:11:56 pm »
Everyone with a brain knows what Biden did.  If ever it comes out, I am certain it will be said that Biden and others in our government received billions in payola.  BILLIONS!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2025, 06:19:48 pm »

Oh, Z has most certainly profited personally.  He has a home in Florida valued at $15 million.  And his cohorts have been buying up multi-million dollar estates in Switzerland.  There is a lot of abuse and taking of US aid and pocketing the money.  If Trump has a real accounting, the abuse will be huge.

What I want to know is how much of that money found its way back to the pockets of politicians in our government, from Biden on down through Congress?  One more group of folks that will want someone dead, if you know what I mean.

Making friends every where [sarcasm] results in bad things happening.

I stated awhile back that Z has profited from this war and I received spears and arrows; I've avoided this thread for awhile for a reason.

We need to stop the gravy train to Ukraine. I don't see that as surrendering I see it as being smart.

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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2025, 06:22:51 pm »

Oh, Z has most certainly profited personally.  He has a home in Florida valued at $15 million. 

Not true.

Fact Checking Claims That Volodymyr Zelensky Bought a $20 Million Florida Mansion

https://www.aol.com/news/fact-checking-claims-volodymyr-zelensky-185749200.html

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky had other reasons for his most recent trip to the United States besides seeking more assistance in his country’s war against Russian aggression, according to various social media posts across Twitter, TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook. The posts claim that Zelensky purchased a $20 million oceanside mansion in Vero Beach, Florida. Some even claim he also became a U.S. citizen.

No evidence exists that Zelensky has purchased a property in Florida, however, and the home pictured is owned by an unrelated individual.

The post uses images from a property at 1263 Ponte Vedra Blvd. in Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida, which is currently listed for sale for $10.9 million by the realty group Compass. Built in 1995, the home most recently sold on April 16, 2019, for $6.3 million to the CEO of an Atlanta, Georgia-based financial services firm that filed for bankruptcy in 2022.

Fact Check: No evidence photos show Zelenskiy naturalization certificate or new house in Florida

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-photos-show-zelenskiy-naturalization-certificate-or-new-house-2024-01-02/

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Images of a fabricated U.S. naturalization certificate and a house for sale in Florida are circulating in posts claiming, without evidence, that both belong to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy.

The certificate in the image has several inaccuracies and the house in the photo, which is several hours away from the location stated in the posts, is still for sale, according to the broker representing the property, who said the posts are false.
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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2025, 06:25:13 pm »
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I stated awhile back that Z has profited from this war and I received spears and arrows; I've avoided this thread for awhile for a reason.

Prove it.

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We need to stop the gravy train to Ukraine. I don't see that as surrendering I see it as being smart.

So you would haver surrendered to Hitler, Stalin, Tojo, or Mao because you think it was "smart"?

Better red than dead, right?
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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2025, 06:25:18 pm »
Oh, Z has most certainly profited personally.  He has a home in Florida valued at $15 million.

You mean this house?




I've actually stayed in this house before.  It's in Ponte Vedra, not Vero Beach.  And Zelensky doesn't own it.  But hey, keep telling that lie if it makes you feel better.
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« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2025, 06:27:56 pm »
We're on the hook for the next 10 years to Ukraine anyways ....

Biden, Zelenskyy Sign 10-Year Bilateral Security Agreement

.........."Our goal is to strengthen Ukraine's credible defense and deterrence capabilities for the long term," Biden said during remarks shortly after the signing.

"A lasting peace for Ukraine must be underwritten by Ukraine's own ability to defend itself now, and to deter future aggression anytime in the future," the president continued, adding that the U.S. is going to help ensure Ukraine can do both. ...........

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.............During his remarks, Biden also said that the G7 recently achieved a "significant outcome" by freeing up some of the $280 billion in Russian assets that members of the G7 and European Union worked to freeze following Russia's invasion of Ukraine in early 2022.

"I'm very pleased to share that, this week, the G7 signed a plan to finalize and unlock $50 billion in the proceeds of those frozen assets, to put that money to work for Ukraine [as] a reminder to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin we're not backing down," Biden said. ..................

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3806792/biden-zelenskyy-sign-10-year-bilateral-security-agreement/

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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2025, 06:34:05 pm »
But hey, keep telling that lie if it makes you feel better.

Give the Russians credit, the campaign of dis-information, lies, and propaganda that they've run for the last 3 years has been spectacularly successful in fooling people.

Hitler could only dream of having this much American support!

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« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2025, 06:35:15 pm »
We're on the hook for the next 10 years to Ukraine anyways ....

Biden, Zelenskyy Sign 10-Year Bilateral Security Agreement

The agreement does not include any monetary commitment from the United States.  Not sure what we're on the hook for here, @libertybele .
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« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2025, 06:35:41 pm »
Prove it.

So you would haver surrendered to Hitler, Stalin, Tojo, or Mao because you think it was "smart"?

Better red than dead, right?

No ... actually, I don't need to prove anything -- I've stayed away from this thread because of all the crappola that gets slung in here. 

Interjecting comments like "better red than dead, right", proves my point exactly.

If you don't think Z and others haven't profited from the BILLIOLNS that Ukraine has been sent ... well ... party on!   :seeya:

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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2025, 06:41:56 pm »
The agreement does not include any monetary commitment from the United States.  Not sure what we're on the hook for here, @libertybele .

The article states that the U.S. is going to strengthen Ukraine's ability to defend itself. Do you honestly believe that that doesn't involve any $$ to accomplish that?

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« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2025, 06:42:56 pm »
No ... actually, I don't need to prove anything -- I've stayed away from this thread because of all the crappola that gets slung in here. 

YOU made that assertion so the burden is on YOU to prove it.
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« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2025, 06:43:48 pm »
No ... actually, I don't need to prove anything -- I've stayed away from this thread because of all the crappola that gets slung in here. 

Interjecting comments like "better red than dead, right", proves my point exactly.

If you don't think Z and others haven't profited from the BILLIOLNS that Ukraine has been sent ... well ... party on!   :seeya:

There's this thing called evidence. I've seen zero evidence he's profited off this war. His life has to be hell. I'm frankly surprised he's still alive. If you were in his shoes you'd be begging for weapons and money too. It's that or get crushed by Putin's war machine. Nobody thought he or Ukraine would last this long. Parroting Russian propaganda without evidence is a bit ugly. Feelings doesn't cut it.

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« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2025, 06:45:13 pm »
The article states that the U.S. is going to strengthen Ukraine's ability to defend itself. Do you honestly believe that that doesn't involve any $$ to accomplish that?

So you don't believe that the U.S. should strengthen Ukraine's ability to defend itself?  The only alternatives are to allow Russia to swallow it up again whole or else fight the Ukrainians war for them.  So which is it?
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« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2025, 09:50:08 pm »
Lest we forget (a few points),

Zelensky was a wealthy man before the war. He was a successful entertainer, and he and his wife were head of a media empire in Ukraine. I doubt he is 'getting rich' off the war, and would want to see evidence of that. Not ginned up internet BS, but something that could be scrutinized and not a web-based rabbit hole full of punji sticks.

Putin was virtually encouraged to perform a 'border incursion' by Biden, and further encouraged by the Afghanistan 'withdrawal' indicating the level of military competence from the Biden Administration.

Biden pardoned his whole family, who have enough LLCs to sink Guam, or at least divvy it up and hide it, and likely used some of them to shuffle funds and get wealthy. I would look very close to home first. That lot all got preemptive pardons, and there had to be a reason for those.

Many of the weapons shipped early on were from US stocks and getting close to their use-by dates. It is likely these were shipped at today's prices, despite some dating back to Vietnam.

If anything, money was made off of weapons contracts to replace that stock with new materiel (for us), provided that even happened. It is just more obvious that the Russians were drawing on Soviet era stocks of weapons. Restrictions even guaranteed older weapons would be used by Ukraine first, rather than set aside for more modern equipment, something sidestepped in no small way by Ukraine's use of drones.

The region Russia grabbed had much of Ukraine's heavy industry, uranium mining, steel production (they were selling armor grade steel to the Russians prior to the war). In addition, nearly ninety percent of Ukraine's oil and gas production is located in that part of the country as well, and missile factories were sited there, too. Putin is after resources and manufacturing capability, and while much of the manufacturing has been damaged or destroyed, the resources remain. The push toward Odessa would have landlocked Ukraine, essentially ensuring their grain exports would have to travel through Russia. For any Remembering the Holodomor, that just would not do.

At any point, Russia could have ended this war, by withdrawing to previous boundaries and ceasing hostilities. They started it, after all.
Ukraine had given up their nukes in exchange for a pledge they would be defended and not seek NATO membership. Instead Crimea was infiltrated and stolen in a bogus election (same tactic was tried in the Donbass). This time Ukraine said 'No.' Biden looked the other way, and Putin invaded.

Whatever happens there will cost the US money. If the invasion, creeping empire gambit, a bite here, a bite there, isn't stopped, Russia ends up with all those resources, and at some point, after the Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia, half of Poland...the question becomes one of where it stops. Now is a good time, Ukraine is a good place, and their troops are doing the fighting. We have seen novel techniques and tactics that have caused us to reevaluate our own methodology and weapons without our troops being involved directly.
Either we help them now or pay more in a different venue later, because appeasement has traditionally led to disaster.

To reiterate, Putin can stop this any time, by withdrawing to pre-conflict bordrers and ceasing hostilities.
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« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2025, 11:11:25 pm »
Putin will not end this on his own initiative.  I believe Trump will pressure both Zelensky and Putin to negotiate an end to hostilities.  I see Trump telling Zelensky to give up lands lost to date, and withdraw from Russia, and telling Putin that he will shutdown his oil/gas industry by convincing his client states to halt getting their oil/gas from Russia.

And I am not sure if we are receiving oil from Russia, but if so, I can see Trump saying we halt oil to the USA tomorrow.   

However, as time ticks on, if the projection that Russia runs out of money sometime in the fall, I can see Trump waiting until then to see Russia collapse.  Time is not on the side of Russia, and Ukraine is slowly building up their own abilities.  Many of the drones they are using were built in Ukraine from what I read.  And this has very much become a drone war.

Lessons learned for all countries watching this conflict will change their future strategies.  Trump might threaten to back out of Ukraine, but I do not see it happening.  Not this year for certain.

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« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2025, 11:32:55 pm »
Putin will not end this on his own initiative.  I believe Trump will pressure both Zelensky and Putin to negotiate an end to hostilities.  I see Trump telling Zelensky to give up lands lost to date, and withdraw from Russia, and telling Putin that he will shutdown his oil/gas industry by convincing his client states to halt getting their oil/gas from Russia.

And I am not sure if we are receiving oil from Russia, but if so, I can see Trump saying we halt oil to the USA tomorrow.   

However, as time ticks on, if the projection that Russia runs out of money sometime in the fall, I can see Trump waiting until then to see Russia collapse.  Time is not on the side of Russia, and Ukraine is slowly building up their own abilities.  Many of the drones they are using were built in Ukraine from what I read.  And this has very much become a drone war.

Lessons learned for all countries watching this conflict will change their future strategies.  Trump might threaten to back out of Ukraine, but I do not see it happening.  Not this year for certain.

The primary question is how much Ukrainian territory Trump will demand Ukraine give up. I really don't have a clue. It could be none. The need for NATO is greatly diminished if Russia destroys itself, and its well on its way. Things are starting to buckle there economically. Putin now has to know there is no reprieve in sight after the election here, especially if Trump can persuade the Chinese to back away from Russia. That may be why China got so little tariffs added. A carrot to decouple them.

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« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2025, 11:39:17 pm »
Time will tell what they will end up doing.

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« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2025, 11:42:51 pm »
In regard to whether Zelensky is siphoning money for his own pockets, I found the following article.

https://www.occrp.org/en/project/the-pandora-papers/pandora-papers-reveal-offshore-holdings-of-ukrainian-president-and-his-inner-circle

In reading this article, while it does not blatantly come out and say he is hiding money in shell companies with his pals, it smacked to me of the Biden Crime Family, and their attempts to hide money.

I trust no one from Russia or Ukraine.  My personal experience is that they would take the shirt off your back if they could.

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« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2025, 11:59:02 pm »
The primary question is how much Ukrainian territory Trump will demand Ukraine give up. I really don't have a clue. It could be none. The need for NATO is greatly diminished if Russia destroys itself, and its well on its way. Things are starting to buckle there economically. Putin now has to know there is no reprieve in sight after the election here, especially if Trump can persuade the Chinese to back away from Russia. That may be why China got so little tariffs added. A carrot to decouple them.
Not all squares on the map are of equal value, resource wise. Putin knows this and invaded the areas which are particularly resource rich. I doubt Ukraine will want to lose those resources.
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« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2025, 02:02:36 am »
The article states that the U.S. is going to strengthen Ukraine's ability to defend itself. Do you honestly believe that that doesn't involve any $$ to accomplish that?

@libertybele

Again, the agreement does not include any monetary commitment from the United States.  Any expenditures aimed at strengthening Ukraine's ability to defend itself are not part of the agreement.  Consider the source (Biden).  The agreement he signed did not require Congressional approval.  In other words, it is worthless.  It didn't grant him the authority to spend a dime.
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« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2025, 02:07:24 am »
In regard to whether Zelensky is siphoning money for his own pockets, I found the following article.

https://www.occrp.org/en/project/the-pandora-papers/pandora-papers-reveal-offshore-holdings-of-ukrainian-president-and-his-inner-circle

In reading this article, while it does not blatantly come out and say he is hiding money in shell companies with his pals, it smacked to me of the Biden Crime Family, and their attempts to hide money.

From your article:

In the heat of the campaign, a political ally of incumbent President Petro Poroshenko published a chart on Facebook purporting to show that Zelensky and his television production partners were beneficiaries of a web of offshore firms that allegedly received $41 million in funds from Kolomoisky’s Privatbank.

That ally, Volodymyr Ariev, didn’t provide evidence, and his accusations have never been proven.

A Poroshenko ally?  Seriously?  In the future, I highly recommend you investigate your source material before posting.
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« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2025, 04:28:25 am »
In regard to whether Zelensky is siphoning money for his own pockets, I found the following article.

https://www.occrp.org/en/project/the-pandora-papers/pandora-papers-reveal-offshore-holdings-of-ukrainian-president-and-his-inner-circle

In reading this article, while it does not blatantly come out and say he is hiding money in shell companies with his pals, it smacked to me of the Biden Crime Family, and their attempts to hide money.

I trust no one from Russia or Ukraine.  My personal experience is that they would take the shirt off your back if they could.

And no where in that article does it prove that Zelensky has done anything wrong since his election in April 2019, and certainly not since Russia invaded in February 2022.  The best it can offer is focusing on his PRE-WAR investments and real estate holdings from when he was a successful actor and comedian and built his media "empire," which is really not accurate.  He's done nothing more than the same thing that Tom Cruise, Arnold Schwarzeneggar, Sylvester Stallone, and Adam Sandler have done.

And yeah, citing Poroshenko sources against Zelensky is just like citing Clinton sources against Trump.  Poroshenko is the former Ukrainian President who was elected after Yanukovych was removed by Parliament in 2014, and then whom Zelensky crushed in a landslide in April 2019.
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« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2025, 04:30:47 am »
@libertybele

Again, the agreement does not include any monetary commitment from the United States.  Any expenditures aimed at strengthening Ukraine's ability to defend itself are not part of the agreement.  Consider the source (Biden).  The agreement he signed did not require Congressional approval.  In other words, it is worthless.  It didn't grant him the authority to spend a dime.

Yeah, just like the 1994 Bucharest Memorandum, which the Ukrainians foolishly thought would protect them, based on the promises of Bill Clinton and John Major (then British PM) and Boris Yeltsin (who was generally drunk and partying all the time).
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« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2025, 06:45:23 am »
Yeah, just like the 1994 Bucharest Memorandum, which the Ukrainians foolishly thought would protect them, based on the promises of Bill Clinton and John Major (then British PM) and Boris Yeltsin (who was generally drunk and partying all the time).
If Ukraine had kept their nukes, I seriously doubt any of this would be an issue.
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« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2025, 07:00:54 am »
If Ukraine had kept their nukes, I seriously doubt any of this would be an issue.

Yep.  But it was a "New World Order" back then, remember?  And jolly, drunken Boris Yeltsin would be president of Russia forever!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRysHHzLAmM
aka "nasty degenerate SOB," "worst of the worst at Free Republic," "Garbage Troll," "Neocon Warmonger," "Filthy Piece of Trash," "damn $#%$#@!," "Silly f'er," "POS," "war pig," "neocon scumbag," "insignificant little ankle nipper," "@ss-clown," "neocuck," "termite," "Uniparty Deep stater," "Never Trump sack of dog feces," "avid Bidenista," "filthy Ukrainian," "war whore," "fricking chump," "psychopathic POS," "depraved SOB," "Never Trump Moron," "Lazarus," and "sock puppet."

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act."  ---George Orwell