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American Troops Must be Deployed to Ukraine or Russia Won’t be Deterred, Insists Zelensky: Report
Oliver JJ Lane 23 Jan 2025

Intensifying talk in European capitals about sending peacekeepers to Ukraine’s front lines is welcome but it won’t work without American boots on the ground, President Volodymyr Zelensky says at the Davos World Economic Forum meeting.

Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky has been at Davos this week drumming up support, but also attempting to ingratiate himself with President Donald Trump by acting as a conduit for America First messaging to European leaders. Nevertheless, Bloomberg reports the Ukrainian “bristled” at the suggestion the United States wouldn’t put boots on the ground in Ukraine to deter further Russian aggression.

The conversation follows months of talk in Europe, particularly in capitals like Paris, Warsaw, and London, about what happens when the now apparently inevitable ceasefire comes. Preventing Russia from simply using a pause as a chance to catch its breath, re-arm, and then attack anew after a short break is the main concern and European leaders have told President Zelensky they would want to consider deploying their own armies to Ukraine to prevent Russia from renewing hostilities.

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https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/01/23/american-troops-must-be-deployed-to-ukraine-or-russia-wont-be-deterred-insists-zelensky-report/
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No they don't, Zelensky.

The well is now dry, so dig your own wells and fight your own wars.

We are not sending our boys over there so your wife can go jetset to the Swiss ski resorts.
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No American troops in Ukraine.  Not another forever war that bleeds America by a thousand cuts.

Give the Ukrainians the weapons and training necessary to repel the Russians and North Koreans themselves.
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Why American troops, this is an EU issue so go tell the Germans, French, etc. to protect your bacon. No more Americans for foreign meat grinders.

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A repost of mine from the Ukraine topic:

The inaction of the US prior to the last two world wars resulted in US involvement in those wars.

Preventing the Russian wars of conquest in Ukraine, Moldova, and Georgia from spreading will prevent direct conflict.

But of course if the Russians are bent on war against the US then it would be handy to have bases in Ukraine.

Disabusing the Russians of their imperial ambitions is a national interest for the US especially given their stated intentions to seize Alaska.

This fall I have a son going into the USMC and I can assure you that I do not want to see him fight Russia. I'd rather the war be prevented and we can't prevent WW3 by sticking our heads up our asses and claiming it's none of our business. That didn't work in the last two world wars and it won't work in the next one.
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We currently have close to 100,000 troops in Europe.  I haven't heard any complaints about parking a couple of brigades in Poland for the last three years.
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We currently have close to 100,000 troops in Europe.  I haven't heard any complaints about parking a couple of brigades in Poland for the last three years.

Russian Media Monitor had a Russia 1 broadcast where they wanted to attack US forces in Poland.
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Are we looking at another 'endless war'?

Vietnam started with advisors and training...

I must admit I am not a fan of the idea of standing garrisons in Ukraine, because we'd be one Democrat in the White House or a few traitors in the 5 sided puzzle palace away from WWIII.

Best to focus on the more likely problem with China, which has been aggressively occupying (if not flat-out building islands) in the South China Sea to expand their hegemony and lay claim to mineral and fishing rights offshore, and sorting out our own naval problems. What was the last class of vessel that put to sea ready to fight? Google doesn't give an answer.
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What could America have done to prevent World War I?  The French wanted Alsaice-Lorraine back.  The Austro-Hungarian Empire wanted the Balkans.  The Ottomon Empire was collapsing.  The Russian Empire was on the brink revolution.  The Germans had imperial designs to establish hegemony over Continental Europe.  The Europeans had imperial designs for each other.

The British and  French did nothing to stop Hitler before September 1, 1939.  The Russians collaborated with Hitler until June, 1941.

Wilsonian intervention in Europe has done little to quelch Europe's proclivity for self-destruction and designs of empire.

The Europeans were unwilling to intervene in Bosnia and Kosovo on their own.  NATO had to drag America into the conflict to stop the ethnic cleansing.

The Europeans are their own worst enemies and bad neighbors.  If not for Pax Americana, there would have been European wars in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s.

How would have America intervened in Soviet Georgia?  It's sandwiched among Turkey, Russia, Iran, and the Black Sea.

Where was the United Nations in the lead up to Putin's invasion of Ukraine?  Why didn't the UN put peacekeepers on the Russo-Belorus-Ukrainian borders before Putin started hostilities?

Europe is not America's continent to police.
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Europe is not America's continent to police.
Yes it is, along with every other continent on this planet.  We have troops stationed in 140 countries, but we cannot protect our own border.  Can't make this bullsh*t up!

We do have troops in Ukraine right this very moment, and troops and equipment in every European country.  Our presence is everywhere protecting our military/industrial complex with every effort.  As one of the five countries that supply the world with armament, we must maintain our industries for war.  It is just that simple.

Trump is sort of the fly in the ointment.  He is interfering with that process. 

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A repost of mine from the Ukraine topic:

The inaction of the US prior to the last two world wars resulted in US involvement in those wars.

Preventing the Russian wars of conquest in Ukraine, Moldova, and Georgia from spreading will prevent direct conflict.

But of course if the Russians are bent on war against the US then it would be handy to have bases in Ukraine.

Disabusing the Russians of their imperial ambitions is a national interest for the US especially given their stated intentions to seize Alaska.

This fall I have a son going into the USMC and I can assure you that I do not want to see him fight Russia. I'd rather the war be prevented and we can't prevent WW3 by sticking our heads up our asses and claiming it's none of our business. That didn't work in the last two world wars and it won't work in the next one.
First, dancing queen doesn't get to demand shit from the USA. GTFOH with that B.S.

"imperial ambitions"  :silly: The geopolitical stage has changed considerably since WWII, the threat of global war is low unless pootin gets backed too far into a corner and believes there's no other way out other than nukes. And yet, he most likely will if we inject ourselves into a purely European issue. If we continue to escalate, Russia will find other ways to respond. Using proxies like N. Korea and Iran, who are tied to the houthis, etc. We need to stop interfering as the "world's cop" and deal with only those things that present a direct and existential threat to the US. Russia's threat to Alaska is an empty one, they simply didn't before and most certainly don't now have the capability to do squat. And don't think for one second that I'm not invested in this shiite either, our son is in the Army, the ones most likely to go into the dancing queen's sh!t show vs. the USMC. The dancing queen can go find himself some other mercenary outfit to act as "peacekeepers". That azzhole and his corruptocracy in ukraine have been bleeding the US for $$ and materiel for far too long. Demanding the blood of our son's and daughter's is a bridge too far and an absolute no!
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A repost of mine from the Ukraine topic:

The inaction of the US prior to the last two world wars resulted in US involvement in those wars.

Preventing the Russian wars of conquest in Ukraine, Moldova, and Georgia from spreading will prevent direct conflict.

But of course if the Russians are bent on war against the US then it would be handy to have bases in Ukraine.

Disabusing the Russians of their imperial ambitions is a national interest for the US especially given their stated intentions to seize Alaska.

This fall I have a son going into the USMC and I can assure you that I do not want to see him fight Russia. I'd rather the war be prevented and we can't prevent WW3 by sticking our heads up our asses and claiming it's none of our business. That didn't work in the last two world wars and it won't work in the next one.
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First, dancing queen doesn't get to demand shit from the USA. GTFOH with that B.S.

"imperial ambitions"  :silly: The geopolitical stage has changed considerably since WWII, the threat of global war is low unless pootin gets backed too far into a corner and believes there's no other way out other than nukes. And yet, he most likely will if we inject ourselves into a purely European issue. If we continue to escalate, Russia will find other ways to respond. Using proxies like N. Korea and Iran, who are tied to the houthis, etc. We need to stop interfering as the "world's cop" and deal with only those things that present a direct and existential threat to the US. Russia's threat to Alaska is an empty one, they simply didn't before and most certainly don't now have the capability to do squat. And don't think for one second that I'm not invested in this shiite either, our son is in the Army, the ones most likely to go into the dancing queen's sh!t show vs. the USMC. The dancing queen can go find himself some other mercenary outfit to act as "peacekeepers". That azzhole and his corruptocracy in ukraine have been bleeding the US for $$ and materiel for far too long. Demanding the blood of our son's and daughter's is a bridge too far and an absolute no!
Ditto to you as well
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It must be an honor to have a son who is willing to serve, and am certain you are quite proud of the young man.

Thank you and it is. Eric is an awesome young man and I hope to see him follow his father into the Marines and to emerge with the same quality of lifelong friends his father had.
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First, dancing queen doesn't get to demand shit from the USA. GTFOH with that B.S.

"imperial ambitions"  :silly: The geopolitical stage has changed considerably since WWII, the threat of global war is low unless pootin gets backed too far into a corner and believes there's no other way out other than nukes. And yet, he most likely will if we inject ourselves into a purely European issue. If we continue to escalate, Russia will find other ways to respond. Using proxies like N. Korea and Iran, who are tied to the houthis, etc. We need to stop interfering as the "world's cop" and deal with only those things that present a direct and existential threat to the US. Russia's threat to Alaska is an empty one, they simply didn't before and most certainly don't now have the capability to do squat. And don't think for one second that I'm not invested in this shiite either, our son is in the Army, the ones most likely to go into the dancing queen's sh!t show vs. the USMC. The dancing queen can go find himself some other mercenary outfit to act as "peacekeepers". That azzhole and his corruptocracy in ukraine have been bleeding the US for $$ and materiel for far too long. Demanding the blood of our son's and daughter's is a bridge too far and an absolute no!

1. Russia is currently occupying territory belonging to Japan, Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova.

2. You may not watch Russian state television but I do. I believe them when they say they want to invade and occupy the Baltics. I believe them when they say they want to invade and occupy the countries that used to be under the USSR. I believe them when they say they want to invade and annex Alaska. Given the opportunity they will do these things.

3. Allowing Russia to conquer and annex Ukraine and then murder thousands if not millions of Ukrainians as they have done before will encourage those bastards to seek further conquests.

4. Ukraine has been corrupt, absolutely. That's the natural consequence of eighty years of Russian domination. The rest of Eastern Europe faced similar challenges with corruption when they were freed of the USSR and each of those countries has dealt with the problem. Ukraine was making progress in this regard and they were on track to becoming a freer and more prosperous people and that is the greatest threat to Russia. Gangsters like Putin are deathly afraid of the day when Russian people stop wanting to steal someone else's prosperity and instead start demanding it for themselves.

5. The US and NATO expenditures in Ukraine have done more to degrade the Russian military than did the $1 trillion to $4 trillion (in 2025 dollars) of Cold War spending. Russia is far less of a threat to the United States today because Ukrainian soldiers have fought the Russian invaders and made the bastards bleed.

5.1 Russia has squandered the best of their military hardware and that hardware is effectively irreplaceable. They cannot produce advanced equipment in significant amounts, they can't replicate the industrial might of the USSR that build tens of thousands of armored vehicles, aircraft, and ships, and at this point the Russians are likely losing their nuclear capabilities since their Mayak production facilities were destroyed in 2017 and cannot be replaced.

6. President Trump is not going to surrender Ukraine to Putin. It would be political suicide if he did. The Democrats would run their Russia! Russia! Russia! trope up the flagpole and a lot of people would believe it and the fragile GOP control of Congress would be lost.

7. Russia will not now or ever be allowed to dictate who can or cannot join NATO or the EU. Period.

8. "Russia's threat to Alaska is an empty one"

Please. People like yourself said the same thing of Russia's threat to Ukraine this time in 2022. And they were wrong. If Russia thought they could get away with it they'd do it. They just don't think they can do it right now.

9. "our son is in the Army"

And I hope your son never has to fight the Russians. If the Russians can be stopped where they are then he won't have to. If the bastards can be made to go back to Russia then my son won't have to.

10. Isolationism always leads to war. Always.

The US in 1800 tried isolating ourselves from Europe and we ended up embroiled in a European war that we called The War of 1812.

The US stayed out of European affairs but in the US Civil War our isolationism was repaid when Europe openly sided with the Confederacy. And then our civil war several times came close to getting us into a war with Europe.

The US went after Spain in the 1890's and Germany contemplated attacking us in order to gain what we had taken from Spain.

The US isolated itself again and in return the French and British armed themselves thinking that the US was their #1 adversary.

Wilson played silly games and we ended up fighting in World War One.

Then we isolated again and foolishly disarmed our navy with the ill-conceived Washington Treaty. That led to the next World War, just twenty some odd years after the first one.

Then we dropped isolationism and we haven't had another world war for the past eight decades.

The problem with isolationism is that Power Abhors A Vacuum.

If we retreat then someone else will advance. Because they always do.

And then boys like yours and mine end up paying the butcher's bill trying to fix a mistake that we should have learned from the first dozen or so times we made it.

In summary, if you want peace with Russia or peace in general then you need to make sure that our enemies fear us and know that they will answer to us if they step out of line.
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2. You may not watch Russian state television but I do. I believe them when they say they want to invade and occupy the Baltics. I believe them when they say they want to invade and occupy the countries that used to be under the USSR. I believe them when they say they want to invade and annex Alaska. Given the opportunity they will do these things.
How is this possible? All we see on the Ukraine5 thread here is how the Russians are being decimated.
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2. You may not watch Russian state television but I do. I believe them when they say they want to invade and occupy the Baltics. I believe them when they say they want to invade and occupy the countries that used to be under the USSR. I believe them when they say they want to invade and annex Alaska. Given the opportunity they will do these things.

How is this possible? All we see on the Ukraine5 thread here is how the Russians are being decimated.

The key words in @MeganC's comment are want to. As several, myself among them, have pointed out, Russia's losses - personnel and equipment - have made that want to unrealistic, possibly for a few decades to come.
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Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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Oh, yeah, Putin wants to get the Ol' USSR back together.  That's a given.

It is not the unilateral responsibility to protect the world from aggressors, like Russia, China, Venezuela, Iran, etc.

On a global scale, it is the purpose of the United Nations to prevent a repeat of the World Wars.

On a continental scale, it is the purpose of NATO to come to the aid of members nations if they are attacked.  Ukraine and Moldova are not NATO members.  Thanks to Putin's naked aggression, Findland and Sweden have joined NATO.

In addition, there is also the E.U., of which neither Moldava and Ukraine are members.  It was Ukraine's desire to join the E.U. that precipitated Putin's occupation of Crimea and support of pro-Russian forces in Donetsk and Luhansk.

If neither organization up to their respective responsibilities, then American taxpayers needs to stop p!$$!ng away tax dollars subsidizing them.

If the Globalists want to have any credibility they need their institutions to deliver on their promises.

Though it is in America's interests to thwart Putin's anx Xi's aggressions, it is not the unilateral responsibility - to be paid in blood and treasure - of the United States to stop them.  It's time for the UN, NATO, and EU to step up to the plate and take the lead.  Otherwise, what are they good for, and why are we wasting our money to support them?

America has alliances to help distribute the risks and costs of Pax Americana among nations that benefit from it.

If was up to the Europeans alone, Putin would be marching on the former Warsaw Pact nations by now.

Those p@$$y Kelptocrats at the World Economic Forum at Davos would hide themselves and their wealth in Switzerland instead of fighting for the rights and freedoms that have enabled them to be wealthy and powerful.
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Thank you and it is. Eric is an awesome young man and I hope to see him follow his father into the Marines and to emerge with the same quality of lifelong friends his father had.
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