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Harris Eligibility Lawsuit Hearing Friday
« on: October 18, 2024, 07:38:10 am »
The Post & Email 10/17/2024

As Sibley related in his original complaint, Harris was born October 20, 1964 in Oakland, CA to parents who were in the U.S. on student visas, her mother having come from India and her father from Jamaica. They were therefore not U.S. citizens at the time of Kamala’s birth.

On page 4 of the complaint, Sibley wrote (paragraph numbers omitted):

    The phrase “natural born Citizen” is an 18th Century legal term-of-art with a definite meaning well known to the Framers of the Constitution. At the time of the adoption of the Constitution, the phrase “natural born Citizen” was defined as: “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” (The Law of Nations, Emerich de Vattel, 1758, Chapter 19, § 212). Notably, in 1788 there were two requirements to be a “natural born Citizen”: born (i) in the United States and (ii) of two parents, both of whom must have been United States citizens at the time of the birth.

    Accordingly, upon the law and facts, Kamala Iyer Harris is not a “natural born Citizen” and thus is ineligible to hold the office of President of the United States.

“Iyer” was Harris’s original middle name, shortly thereafter changed to “Devi.”

According to all available evidence, Shyamala Gopalan Harris never became a U.S. citizen; Kamala’s father, Donald Jasper Harris, naturalized in 1981, approximately 17 years after her birth.

 I understood when I filed the Petition that the subject matter jurisdiction of the Supreme Court to entertain my Petition was a close call. Hence, I included that as the first issue in the Petition for the Justices to decide.

As of Wednesday, Sibley told us, “the supreme court has not even filed my Rule 22 Application let alone answer my telephone messages inquiring about the delay in filing. So yes, it seems the Supreme Court is ignoring me as the only way to avoid the problem my lawsuit is causing.”

According to plaintiff, Ms. Harris is ineligible to serve as President because she is not a natural-born citizen of the United States. Supreme Court, Schuyler County (Baker, J.), dismissed the complaint because plaintiff failed to comply with the procedural requirements set forth in the Election Law.

    This Court should affirm. As Supreme Court held, the exclusive remedy for removing a candidate from a ballot is a special proceeding commenced pursuant to the Election Law. Plaintiff did not commence such a proceeding. Nor did he file an objection with the State Board of Elections, as required before commencing a special proceeding. Thus, plaintiff lacks standing to challenge Ms. Harris’s placement on the ballot under the Election Law. Plaintiff also lacks standing to assert a federal constitutional claim under 42 U.S.C. § 1983 because he has not alleged any concrete and particularized injury arising from Ms. Harris’s candidacy. Supreme Court therefore correctly dismissed the complaint.

Friday’s hearing will be held during the 9:30 a.m. session, with Sibley’s case being the eighth in a list of 15, and livestreamed here.

More: https://www.thepostemail.com/2024/10/17/harris-eligibility-lawsuit-hearing-friday/

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Re: Harris Eligibility Lawsuit Hearing Friday
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2024, 10:45:50 am »
Mr. Sibley is 100% correct but I seriously doubt that will make any difference at this point in time. God bless him for trying.
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2024, 11:21:23 am »
I thought the whole point of the 14th Amendment was to protect the citizenship rights of freed slaves and to prevent them from being disenfranchised by the States.

1.) She was born in Oakland, California.
2.) She was subject to the jurisdiction of Oakland, California, or which municipality and state issued and maintains her birth certificate.

The fact that her parents were on visas does not negate that Harris meets the qualifications of Article 1 or the 14th Amendment.

https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/14th-amendment#:~:text=No%20State%20shall%20make%20or,equal%20protection%20of%20the%20laws.

AMENDMENT XIV

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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Re: Harris Eligibility Lawsuit Hearing Friday
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2024, 11:22:48 am »
Unneeded distraction this close to the election. 
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2024, 11:31:56 am »
SCOTUS has never applied the term "natural born citizen" to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

"The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens."

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

"At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens,"

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

"(A)ll children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."
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Re: Harris Eligibility Lawsuit Hearing Friday
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2024, 11:48:33 am »
I don't see the word "parents" in the text of Article 1 of the 14th Amendment.

SCOTUS is not averse to reversing precedent.

As a textualist, I'd have to say the previous precedents are wrong because they do not adhere to the actual text.  Embellished interpretation is not law.
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2024, 12:02:05 pm »
If mere citizenship is sufficient qualification for presidential candidates perhaps someone will explain to me why a perfectly clear distinction was made in the very text of the Constitution.

 
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"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;... "
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Re: Harris Eligibility Lawsuit Hearing Friday
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2024, 12:07:07 pm »
Well, they let Rubio run and neither of his parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth.  That doesn't make it right, nor IIRC was his eligibility challenged, but would it not set a precedent?

At any rate, there is no way that she is going to be found ineligible. She's the DEM VP and presidential candidate and she's considered a woman of color. No way.



 
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2024, 12:08:55 pm »
Well, they let Rubio run and neither of his parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth.  That doesn't make it right, nor IIRC was his eligibility challenged, but would it not set a precedent?

No! It sets no precedent.
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2024, 12:27:14 pm »
The overarching rationale of the Founders is to limit the chances anyone seeking that office is splitting allegiances rather than prioritizing the USA.

At this moment in time, this is paramount with the tug by the globalists' arms.
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2024, 12:29:10 pm »
"at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" - those people are long dead.  The 14th Amedment supersedes original text.

The US Constitution is an antithetical treastise to the absolute European monarchies of the time.  At the time of the American Revolutionary War, Britiain was ruled by German princes.  It was not uncommon for foreign-born royalty to assume office via heredity, familial relationship, or marriage in Europe.  That wording was to prevent those with foreign loyalties from taking office.


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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2024, 12:37:38 pm »
Navitivists freaked when a black man got elected.  They are losing their stuff at the prospect of a woman of mixed Indian-Jamaican ancestry becoming President.  Wait until someone of Mexican descent becomes President.

America not an exclusive country club for rich WASP's and Knickerbockers.

Are nativists more worried about Indian-Jamaican Kamala becoming President, or her Jewish husband becoming the First Gentleman?
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2024, 01:19:31 pm »
Navitivists freaked when a black man got elected.  They are losing their stuff at the prospect of a woman of mixed Indian-Jamaican ancestry becoming President.  Wait until someone of Mexican descent becomes President.

America not an exclusive country club for rich WASP's and Knickerbockers.

Are nativists more worried about Indian-Jamaican Kamala becoming President, or her Jewish husband becoming the First Gentleman?

No! We are worried about someone with divided loyalties who does not have the best interests of this country at heart. Someone like Barrack Hussein Obama for instance!
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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2024, 02:56:24 pm »
Because the Donald has yet to release his taxes, we don't know if he's the beneficiary of foreign emoluments.

We know Donald doesn't have divided loyalties because he is only loyal to one thing - himself.  Not the US Constitution.  Not the People.

Where would Kamala's foreign loyalties lie?  Jamaica - she'll smoke blunts, eat jerk chicken, and listen to Bob Marley music?  India - she'll cook a meal with curry in it?

Birtherism won't work.  Nativism won't work.  If Trump deserves to be President, he'll beat Kamala in the Electoral College and in the popular vote.
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2024, 03:37:35 pm »
No! We are worried about someone with divided loyalties who does not have the best interests of this country at heart. Someone like Barrack Hussein Obama for instance!
I get it, you get it, but there are people who would rather have our country run by people raised elsewhere whose parents taught them zip about loyalty to this country.
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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2024, 04:21:25 pm »
No! We are worried about someone with divided loyalties who does not have the best interests of this country at heart. Someone like Barrack Hussein Obama for instance!



The best example I can think of. His "loyalty" is no worse than Biden's, who loves foreign money to land in his pocket.

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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2024, 04:34:30 pm »
I get it, you get it, but there are people who would rather have our country run by people raised elsewhere whose parents taught them zip about loyalty to this country.

We either have a Constitution or we don't. Doesn't get any more simple than that.
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2024, 04:55:34 pm »
Because the Donald has yet to release his taxes, we don't know if he's the beneficiary of foreign emoluments.

We know Donald doesn't have divided loyalties because he is only loyal to one thing - himself.  Not the US Constitution.  Not the People.

Where would Kamala's foreign loyalties lie?  Jamaica - she'll smoke blunts, eat jerk chicken, and listen to Bob Marley music?  India - she'll cook a meal with curry in it?

Birtherism won't work.  Nativism won't work.  If Trump deserves to be President, he'll beat Kamala in the Electoral College and in the popular vote.

The only way we will get a legitimate election is if we get back to  paper ballots and voting on Election Day and that day only.

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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2024, 04:56:14 pm »
We either have a Constitution or we don't. Doesn't get any more simple than that.

Oh we have a Constitution, but how many of our elected officials will honestly adhere to it?

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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2024, 06:52:14 pm »
Birtherism won't work.  Nativism won't work.  If Trump deserves to be President, he'll beat Kamala in the Electoral College and in the popular vote.

The popular vote doesn't mean squat, and you know that. 
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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2024, 06:56:18 pm »
Gets thrown out.

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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2024, 07:02:32 pm »
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2024, 07:03:57 pm »
Why?

She was born on US soil to parents who weren’t foreign diplomats.  She is a citizen by birth.  Please stop smoking the dope. 

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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2024, 07:12:38 pm »
She was born on US soil to parents who weren’t foreign diplomats.  She is a citizen by birth.  Please stop smoking the dope.

So answer the question I posed up thread. Clearly there is a difference between a mere Citizen and a Natural born Citizen. Otherwise there would be no need to distinguish between them as the founders plainly did. Perhaps you should heed your own advice.
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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2024, 07:17:36 pm »
Gets thrown out.

Probably.  I would be rather surprised if it's not.  Probably Standing, but who knows?
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