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Sorry, but if Trump visited Arlington, it was wrong of him/his campaign to bring cameras.   It was very clearly a campaign event as they have used his presence there to make a political attack against Biden/Harris.

Arlington shouldn't be politicized.  Classless move.
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Sorry, but if Trump visited Arlington, it was wrong of him/his campaign to bring cameras.   It was very clearly a campaign event as they have used his presence there to make a political attack against Biden/Harris.

Arlington shouldn't be politicized.  Classless move.
It just might be that the families wanted photos of the former President with them at the event.
At least the argument can be made that Trump showed in remembrance of their fallen.

How that is used by whomever is moot. Just being there would have been something that could be used against the Harris/Biden bunch, regardless of his personal motives, which some will attribute to politics, no matter what, even without pictures.
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Sorry, but if Trump visited Arlington, it was wrong of him/his campaign to bring cameras.   It was very clearly a campaign event as they have used his presence there to make a political attack against Biden/Harris.

Arlington shouldn't be politicized.  Classless move.

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Why didn't he go there at the first or 2nd anniversary?
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Sorry, but if Trump visited Arlington, it was wrong of him/his campaign to bring cameras.   It was very clearly a campaign event as they have used his presence there to make a political attack against Biden/Harris.

Arlington shouldn't be politicized.  Classless move.

Clearly to some it was Trump being the compassionate person that he is and the families of the fallen sure as heck appreciated him being there. 

The absence of both Biden and Harris spoke volumes.

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Why didn't he go there at the first or 2nd anniversary?

Here's your guy:

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Didn't he know how this would look?  I swear, it's something every day with this guy. 

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Didn't he know how this would look?  I swear, it's something every day with this guy.

Yep, something with this guy every day:

Trump 'respectfully' honored fallen troops at Arlington National Cemetery amid altercation report:



"The fact is that a private photographer was permitted on the premises and, for whatever reason, an unnamed individual, clearly suffering from a mental health episode, decided to physically block members of President Trump’s team during a very solemn ceremony," he said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-respectfully-honored-fallen-troops-arlington-national-cemetery-amid-altercation-report-veteran
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The absence of both Biden and Harris spoke volumes.
No active president or VP should be there. What about all the other cases were service members were killed. What about the 200 marines killed n 1982. No one is visiting them.
This was nothing a photo op for trump and to remind the people about the Afghanistan pull out, noting more, nothing less

If Trump was president right now do you really think he would be there? No.

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Trump 'respectfully' honored fallen troops at Arlington National Cemetery amid altercation report:



"The fact is that a private photographer was permitted on the premises and, for whatever reason, an unnamed individual, clearly suffering from a mental health episode, decided to physically block members of President Trump’s team during a very solemn ceremony," he said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-respectfully-honored-fallen-troops-arlington-national-cemetery-amid-altercation-report-veteran

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"JUST IN: JD Vance tells Kamala to "go to hell" after her campaign criticized Trump for going to Arlington National Cemetery to honor the 13 service members who died in Afghanistan.

"To have those 13 Americans lose their lives and not fire a single person is disgraceful. Kamala Harris is disgraceful."

"Kamala Harris is so asleep at the wheel that she won't even do an investigation into what happened."

"But she wants to yell at Donald Trump for showing up. She can go to hell."" (Video)



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Why didn't he go there at the first or 2nd anniversary?
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I guess you conveniently forgot that last year on August 15 he was indicted and ordered to surrender to authorities in Fulton County Georgia to be booked?

Go away or, in the words of JD Vance, GTH
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It just might be that the families wanted photos of the former President with them at the event.

They could have brought their own, or just had private photos of him with the family.   That's not what we've gotten.

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At least the argument can be made that Trump showed in remembrance of their fallen.

His campaign is openly using it for political advantage.  That's just wrong.  I'd contrast that with Bush, who met the family of every single service member who fell in Afghanistan/Iraq during his Presidency. Not only did he not bring a photographer or videographer into those meetings, but no press at all was allowed near and it didn't leak until much later.

This was clearly a political stunt. 

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How that is used by whomever is moot. Just being there would have been something that could be used against the Harris/Biden bunch, regardless of his personal motives, which some will attribute to politics, no matter what, even without pictures.

It isn't moot when it is his own campaign that is affirmatively using it as political fodder.  We literally have the video now being shown how Trump supposedly was in step with a military guard as if that proves his greatness.   
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I appreciate your bring the Democrat argument to TBR.

"Hey, quit trying to undermine the political mileage Trump is trying to make out of Arlington by accusing him of politicizing it."

There wouldn't be any Democrat argument at all if Trump hadn't tried to politicize it in the first place.
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As is his habit. @Maj. Bill Martin @Cyber Liberty

I'm consistent.  I thought it was very admirable when Bush did the exact opposite when he was President, and said so at the time even though it wasn't here.   Not my fault Trump does the crap he does.

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They could have brought their own, or just had private photos of him with the family.   That's not what we've gotten.

His campaign is openly using it for political advantage.   That's just wrong.  I'd contrast that with Bush, who met the family of every single service member who fell in Afghanistan/Iraq during his Presidency.  Not only did he not bring a photographer or videographer into those meetings, but no press at all was allowed near and it didn't leak until much later.

This was clearly a political stunt. 

It isn't moot when it is his own campaign that is affirmatively making the political point.

So again @Maj. Bill Martin where was Biden or Harris?? IIRC they still haven't even acknowledged the fallen.  To do so would be to admit their absolute failure and responsibility!

Watching the RNC convention it was quite obvious that the family members of the 13 that have fallen that came on stage were relieved to finally be heard and most importantly their loved ones acknowledged.

I think it was very appropriate for Trump to attend this ceremony at Arlington as some of the family members reported that either Trump called them or spent time with them.  Again, where was Biden and Harris???

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I'm consistent.  I thought it was very admirable when Bush did the exact opposite when he was President, and said so at the time even though it wasn't here.   Not my fault Trump does the crap he does.

Bush was filmed, photographed many times during his presidency visiting troops, so I don't agree with you that he did the opposite. 

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Why didn't he go there at the first or 2nd anniversary?
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Where was Biden?

Trump was INVITED by the survivors.

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Clearly to some it was Trump being the compassionate person that he is and the families of the fallen sure as heck appreciated him being there. 

The absence of both Biden and Harris spoke volumes.

Politics.  Right?

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Where was Biden?

Trump was INVITED by the survivors.

So you go.  You don't advertise it, you don't bring cameras, and your campaign doesn't comment on it or put out press releases.  Nothing wrong with that.

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So you go.  You don't advertise it, you don't bring cameras, and your campaign doesn't comment on it or put out press releases.  Nothing wrong with that.

Gee .... Trump draws attention regardless. Like it or not he IS pro-American. It matters these days.  :patriot:

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Gee .... Trump draws attention regardless. Like it or not he IS pro-American. It matters these days.  :patriot:

Who stands over a grave and gives a thumbs-up with smile for the cameras?  Were he some old man diagnosed with a mental disorder, nobody would mind, but he is running for President.  It's odd behavior from someone who is supposed to know better. 

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So again @Maj. Bill Martin where was Biden or Harris??

I think Biden was in Delaware.  Not sure about Kamala. 

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IIRC they still haven't even acknowledged the fallen.  To do so would be to admit their absolute failure and responsibility!

I don't think that follows at all.   They can acknowledge the dead without admitting responsibility.  And in fact, Biden at least has already given a speech at which he acknowledged their deaths, and still hasn't acknowledged any errors in judgement.

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Watching the RNC convention it was quite obvious that the family members of the 13 that have fallen that came on stage were relieved to finally be heard and most importantly their loved ones acknowledged.

I think it was very appropriate for Trump to attend this ceremony at Arlington as some of the family members reported that either Trump called them or spent time with them. 

Again, I have no issue with Trump going to Arlington with those families.   I do have an issue with cameras being brought into Arlington to politicize that event, which is exactly what the very first post in this thread openly did.

I also have no issue with Trump slamming Biden and Harris for the botched Afghanistan withdrawal independently of a visit to Arlington.

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Who stands over a grave and gives a thumbs-up with smile for the cameras? 

Trump does.

 I would hope some of those in this thread who are defending that Arlington visit as appropriate would address the thumbs up....

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Who stands over a grave and gives a thumbs-up with smile for the cameras?  Were he some old man diagnosed with a mental disorder, nobody would mind, but he is running for President.  It's odd behavior from someone who is supposed to know better.

Look at the other people in the photo.It looks like they are reacting to some kind of prompt.
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I guess you conveniently forgot that last year on August 15 he was indicted and ordered to surrender to authorities in Fulton County Georgia to be booked?

Go away or, in the words of JD Vance, GTH
He was home that night.
The killing of the service members happened on August 26, not the 15th. He could have been there.
It was a photo op for the maga rubes.
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Look at the other people in the photo.It looks like they are reacting to some kind of prompt.
Happens all the time.

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He was home that night.
The killing of the service members happened on August 26, not the 15th. He could have been there.
It was a photo op for the maga rubes.
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Trump was invited to this, this year. 
Biden (apparently) wasn't, or if so, failed to respond in any way we know about.
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Trump does.

 I would hope some of those in this thread who are defending that Arlington visit as appropriate would address the thumbs up....

Isn’t there a law against using military gravesites for political purposes?

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Gee .... Trump draws attention regardless. Like it or not he IS pro-American. It matters these days.  :patriot:
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When Biden was photograph checking his watch, he was rightly criticized. That was extremely disrespectful

Yet somehow, Trump gets a pass for his thumbs up simply because he’s got an “R”  after his name
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When Biden was photograph checking his watch, he was rightly criticized. That was extremely disrespectful

Yet somehow, Trump gets a pass for his thumbs up simply because he’s got an “R”  after his name

Why aren't you condemning the other people in the picture for smiling?
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Isn’t there a law against using military gravesites for political purposes?

If that is the case, then one can easily make the case that the President should not give an address on Memorial Day while in office.
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Just have to accept who they are

Oh, I know.  It's OK by TBR policy of free speech.  However, it does tend to dive away Members, and I don't expect anybody but Nancy or me to appreciate that.
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Oh, I know.  It's OK by TBR policy of free speech.  However, it does tend to dive away Members, and I don't expect anybody but Nancy or me to appreciate that.

If that's the case, I'll bow out.  No desire to hurt the website.

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Why aren't you condemning the other people in the picture for smiling?

If Trump doesn't grimace, it's the equivalent of a mean Tweet, whether the other subjects in the photo smile or frown.
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If that's the case, I'll bow out.  No desire to hurt the website.

Don't worry about it, the damage is pretty well done.
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Sorry folks I agree with @Maj. Bill Martin

Have you ever been to Arlington or any National Cemetery....as soon as you enter you are on sacred ground and there is a hush that you feel..I would never group my family around my dad's or uncles tombstones to take photos...but I guess that is just me and Maj. Bill Martin's opinion.

The last time I was at Arlington watching the Changing of the Guard there was a group of people talking and laughing loudly..they stopped the ceremony and asked them to leave....no respect at all!
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Sorry folks I agree with @Maj. Bill Martin

Have you ever been to Arlington or any National Cemetery....as soon as you enter you are on sacred ground and there is a hush that you feel..I would never group my family around my dad's or uncles tombstones to take photos...but I guess that is just me and Maj. Bill Martin's opinion.

What I find interesting was there was a wreath placing involved, too....
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What I find interesting was there was a wreath placing involved, too....

Yes...done respectfully too!..I even sat and cried watching it...how could you not.
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Sorry, but if Trump visited Arlington, it was wrong of him/his campaign to bring cameras.   It was very clearly a campaign event as they have used his presence there to make a political attack against Biden/Harris.

Arlington shouldn't be politicized.  Classless move.

Great. Can we put out JFK's eternal flame now? It's obviously political advertising for the DNC.
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