President Trump will be interviewed by Elon Musk on Monday at 8 pm Eastern.

[Bigun]

If I have to say any kind words about Trump he has to earn my respect. I lost respect for Trump when he tried to override a CONSTITUTIONAL NORM that has been in place for over 200 years cause he couldn't accept the fact that he lost.

And I have ZERO respect for anyone who cannot see what actually happened in 2020!

[catfish1957]

And I have ZERO respect for anyone who cannot see what actually happened in 2020!

It's all spelled out here in real time.  I've yet had one person disprove the monkey business that went on those early morning hours.

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,418946.700.html

[Bigun]

https://twitter.com/GenFlynn/status/1823326769266500032

[roamer_1]

If I have to say any kind words about Trump he has to earn my respect. I lost respect for Trump when he tried to override a CONSTITUTIONAL NORM that has been in place for over 200 years cause he couldn't accept the fact that he lost.

I find little to respect in the man. My opinion of him was low to non-existent prior to his political career, with no real reason for that opinion to improve - In fact, I probably like him less than before he was on my radar.

I find him to be overly dramatic on purpose for no reason - In a William Shatner sort of way. I recognize that as an artifice of acting (or the con), but it rubs me wrong.

I find his 'solutions' to be short sighted and transient.
I find his 'my way or the highway' style to be divisive.
I find his alignment to be toward liberalism and big government.

He offends libertarianism and fiscal conservatism - And that so very stark and so very deeply that any other use he might have is made pale.

I tire of drama for drama's sake.
I tire of sacrificing conservative principles for small, temporary gains.

What then am I supposed to respect in that?

I don't care about the drama that gets everybody hepped up.
None of it. I am sorry that he was almost assassinated - but that does not change anything. He still stands where he stands. And that includes all the rest of his martyr shtick.

It means nothing. He is what he is. He stands where he stands - And that according to the record, not all the bullshit.

And that necessitates my opposition.
Simple as that. No one defends him by the numbers, because no one can. He is defended because of all the drama, not his record. And I am utterly immune to the drama show.

[catfish1957]

@roamer_1

Respect your opinion, and mostly agree.   Trump a 100 years ago, would have been a world class carnival barker.   Still, as much as I dislike this individual, the decision is still binary.  And yes, I understand your contention there is no difference. 

But there is a difference....   If we even have a smidgen of chance delaying or postpoing the destruciton of 4 more years of Biden/Harris/Walz, it is worth the  chance.  Just on the issue of energy independence and thwarting the Climate change scam makes it worth it.

[Bigun]

@roamer_1

Respect your opinion, and mostly agree.   Trump a 100 years ago, would have been a world class carnival barker.   Still, as much as I dislike this individual, the decision is still binary.  And yes, I understand your contention there is no difference. 

But there is a difference....   If we even have a smidgen of chance delaying or postpoing the destruciton of 4 more years of Biden/Harris/Walz, it is worth the  chance.  Just on the issue of energy independence and thwarting the Climate change scam makes it worth it.

   Not to mention upcoming appointments to SCOTUS.

[roamer_1]

But there is a difference....   If we even have a smidgen of chance delaying or postpoing the destruciton of 4 more years of Biden/Harris/Walz, it is worth the  chance.  Just on the issue of energy independence and thwarting the Climate change scam makes it worth it.

And that @catfish1957 , my friend, is what governs the Right. The fear. And in that, EVERYTHING gets thrown under the bus in order to 'stop the Democrats'. I have seen it over, and over, and over again.

And every time the Democrats grow stronger.
How hard is that to see?

I will not play that anymore.
I want real, conservative solutions that do not require the sacrifice of any other part of conservatism.
And I will settle for nothing less.

Because every single time we settle... Every single time we cave in and sacrifice principle to fear, our liberty is eroded. And we put up with more. And then more.

Y'all are going the wrong way. I mean that constructively, and without malice. I mean to point to the hard lines that were drawn long ago that provably lead in the right way, and to show that we are far from those marks, and getting farther.

I will go no further. Not one more bloody inch.

[Ghost Bear]

I find little to respect in the man. My opinion of him was low to non-existent prior to his political career, with no real reason for that opinion to improve - In fact, I probably like him less than before he was on my radar.

I find him to be overly dramatic on purpose for no reason - In a William Shatner sort of way. I recognize that as an artifice of acting (or the con), but it rubs me wrong.

I find his 'solutions' to be short sighted and transient.
I find his 'my way or the highway' style to be divisive.
I find his alignment to be toward liberalism and big government.

He offends libertarianism and fiscal conservatism - And that so very stark and so very deeply that any other use he might have is made pale.

I tire of drama for drama's sake.
I tire of sacrificing conservative principles for small, temporary gains.

What then am I supposed to respect in that?

I don't care about the drama that gets everybody hepped up.
None of it. I am sorry that he was almost assassinated - but that does not change anything. He still stands where he stands. And that includes all the rest of his martyr shtick.

It means nothing. He is what he is. He stands where he stands - And that according to the record, not all the bullshit.

And that necessitates my opposition.
Simple as that. No one defends him by the numbers, because no one can. He is defended because of all the drama, not his record. And I am utterly immune to the drama show.

I'll defend Trump, in this way:  he appointed three Supreme Court justices, who all voted to overturn Roe v. Wade. Would any Democrat have done that? No.  So you see, there is a difference between Trump and Harris, it's just a difference you apparently don't care about.

[roamer_1]

I'll defend Trump, in this way:  he appointed three Supreme Court justices, who all voted to overturn Roe v. Wade. Would any Democrat have done that? No.  So you see, there is a difference between Trump and Harris, it's just a difference you apparently don't care about.

To the contrary. Abortion has long been a primary issue with me. And I understand that overturning Roe has other implications, and I understand that many find it to be a States issue (which I can see and agree with at least partially).

But in all of that let me ask you... Have abortions stopped? Has it even significantly decreased?
Without that, the proclaimed victory is made paltry.

Similarly, the great victory proclaimed over immigration. I recognize the parameters of that. I see the effort.
But in the end, it did nothing. NOTHING. It got worse.

And that is my point. These accomplishments are there, sure. But their worth is far less than imagined. It changed nothing.

But everybody gathers round in masturbatory victory dances. Like it actually moved the needle.
It did not.

The SCOTUS is not much further to the Right. The only new judge that is undeniably right facing is Gorsuch.

So to me, it's a pig in a poke.
Government got bigger and more invasive. THAT's the only metric that matters.

[jmyrlefuller]

And I have ZERO respect for anyone who cannot see what actually happened in 2020!

your hero threw an election and locked down America in the process so he wouldn't be term limited.

[Ghost Bear]

To the contrary. Abortion has long been a primary issue with me. And I understand that overturning Roe has other implications, and I understand that many find it to be a States issue (which I can see and agree with at least partially).

But in all of that let me ask you... Have abortions stopped? Has it even significantly decreased?
Without that, the proclaimed victory is made paltry.

Similarly, the great victory proclaimed over immigration. I recognize the parameters of that. I see the effort.
But in the end, it did nothing. NOTHING. It got worse.

And that is my point. These accomplishments are there, sure. But their worth is far less than imagined. It changed nothing.

But everybody gathers round in masturbatory victory dances. Like it actually moved the needle.
It did not.

The SCOTUS is not much further to the Right. The only new judge that is undeniably right facing is Gorsuch.

So to me, it's a pig in a poke.
Government got bigger and more invasive. THAT's the only metric that matters.

This illustrates why I rarely post here any more. All the same arguments get repeated ad nauseum, no minds are ever changed, it's all pointless virtue signalling by this point.

I don't have enough years left to bother with this, I have other things to do.

[Cyber Liberty]

Please do! You won't be sorry. @libertybele

I listened to it live, including the crappy music on hold...as usual Trump made his points, but I wonder if it moves the needle at all.   

[roamer_1]

This illustrates why I rarely post here any more. All the same arguments get repeated ad nauseum, no minds are ever changed, it's all pointless virtue signalling by this point.

I don't have enough years left to bother with this, I have other things to do.

That's too bad. I have always appreciated your opinion.

[Ghost Bear]

That's too bad. I have always appreciated your opinion.

Thank you, that is kind of you to say. In response, I'll give this very basic reason I am voting for Trump in this election: with Trump, we might get some things we support. With the Democrat, we won't get anything. Voting third party accomplishes nothing, since no third party candidate will be elected. Is Trump perfect? No. But he is the only chance the country has at this point, in my honest opinion.

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/KamalaHQLies/status/1823414951320387758

[roamer_1]

Thank you, that is kind of you to say. In response, I'll give this very basic reason I am voting for Trump in this election: with Trump, we might get some things we support. With the Democrat, we won't get anything. Voting third party accomplishes nothing, since no third party candidate will be elected. Is Trump perfect? No. But he is the only chance the country has at this point, in my honest opinion.

Thanks for that. I don't care about the Democrats, simply  because I have no control mechanism on that end of the spectrum... So it is pointless hyperventilation for me to react to that.

I DO have a modicum of control on the right though... And so that is where my emphasis is placed.

As to Tumpy, his first term was so egregiously against the principles of fiscal conservatism and libertarianism that I cannot - will not - reward that with a second term. I do not want more of that.

And as I opined upthread, I will no longer sacrifice one conservative principle for another. I can go to 'do no harm' - A candidate who is not particularly strong toward those principles might still receive my vote over single issues - Providing that he does no harm (to Conservatism generally or in specific).

But one who has done damage to those principle things does not deserve another shot. That must end. With prejudice.

I reckon my age has left me less likely to be kind. I appreciate bold strokes and hard words.
It's that 'get off my lawn' thing coming on, I suppose. 

[Bigun]

Thank you, that is kind of you to say. In response, I'll give this very basic reason I am voting for Trump in this election: with Trump, we might get some things we support. With the Democrat, we won't get anything. Voting third party accomplishes nothing, since no third party candidate will be elected. Is Trump perfect? No. But he is the only chance the country has at this point, in my honest opinion.

 

And there you have it condensed to the essence.

[mystery-ak]

Elon Musk Pitches ‘Government Efficiency Commission’ to Trump, Offers His Help

Tesla CEO Elon Musk pitched a “government efficiency commission” to cut government waste while speaking with former President Donald Trump on Monday, and offered to “help out” with such an endeavor.
https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/08/13/elon-musk-pitches-government-efficiency-commission-trump-offers-his-help/

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I just LOVE how alleged conservatives posting here can ALWAYS find something positive to say about Commiecrats but find it impossible to say a kind word about President Trump!

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Encapsulates why Elon bought Twitter.

Not to make money as he vastly overpaid.

He did it to make a difference to direct America back on a path of Constitutional governance and economic stability.

[Smokin Joe]

And I have ZERO respect for anyone who cannot see what actually happened in 2020!

Ditto.
 

[240B]

Mixing my favorite song with my favorite dictator gets me hard
Damn! Those guys were so good

[240B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0

[240B]

HELL YES!!! AND MORE AND MORE!

[240B]

Remember them. So far, NASA has 'refused' the SpaceX offer to go and get them.
NASA/Boeing would rather them die than to have them be saved by Elon Musk.