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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2024, 03:47:38 pm »
Based on what I can observe, I think Trump picked Vance because of his industrial heartland backstory, and because Vance was the most telegenic of the finalists. Also, I think Trump miscalculated in thinking that the race would not be very close, so he could pick whoever he wanted. I think Trump felt better chemistry with Vance than anyone else. Now that it looks like it might be a race, everyone is second-guessing. I think Vance will do fine. He is intelligent and capable.

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2024, 03:47:42 pm »
I need names.

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2024, 03:48:50 pm »
He's not going to be able to escape his chauvinistic mentality.

How is Vance "chauvinistic" @libertybele   

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2024, 03:49:29 pm »
Still waiting.  How was Vance was a better choice than anyone from a battleground state who, unlike Vance, actually had executive experience?
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2024, 03:50:32 pm »

 He is intelligent and capable.

He might be.  And hopefully this is his first and last misfire on the campaign trail.
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2024, 03:52:20 pm »
Now that it looks like it might be a race, everyone is second-guessing. I think Vance will do fine. He is intelligent and capable.

Vance will do great if you are a proponent of government being the solution to all your problems.  If you are on board with another $8 trillion in newly printed money over the next four years just so that Democrats can have a full campaign chest over the next two elections, then Vance is your man.
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2024, 03:52:41 pm »
WTH was Trump thinking?  Vance brings nothing to the table, as of now -- he's already sinking his ship with the female vote!

It’s a pattern of behavior that nobody should have expected to change.  Do you remember the chaos from his first term?

JD Vance sucked up to Trump more than anyone lately.  There were many better candidates, but Donald was afraid of being contradicted or even worse, outshone.  His method of selecting people is no better than DEI. 

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2024, 03:53:51 pm »
JD Vance sucked up to Trump more than anyone lately.

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2024, 03:54:18 pm »
Trump team slams ‘absolutely absurd’ attacks on Vance as VP pick takes flack for ‘cat lady’ comments
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July 27, 2024 3:10 pm
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After Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH) caught flak for controversial comments about “childless cat ladies,” former President Donald Trump’s campaign is hitting back with a spirited defense.

“The fact of the matter is, it’s been blatantly taken out of context,” Trump campaign advisor Chris LaCivita said during a Brian Kilmeade Show segment that aired on Friday. Asked if the Trump campaign was against “childless women,” Lacivita retorted, “No, that’s absurd. It’s absolutely absurd.”

Lacivita’s support for Trump’s running mate comes after a media firestorm erupted over comments Vance made several years ago. During a 2021 Fox News interview, the Ohio senator made observations about Vice President Kamala Harris — and other notable members of President Joe Biden’s administration — not having biological children.

“We are effectively run in this country, via the Democrats, via our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they’ve made, and so they wanna make the rest of the country miserable, too,” Vance told then-Fox News host Tucker Carlson.


https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1815503440983867598

“It’s just a basic fact — you look at Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, AOC — the entire future of the Democrats is controlled by people without children,” Vance continued. “How does it make any sense that we’ve turned our country over to people who don’t really have a direct stake in it?”

After the interview resurfaced on social media this week, critics were quick to note Harris has two stepchildren, while labeling Vance as sexist and extreme.

“What a normal, relatable guy who certainly doesn’t hate women having freedoms,” former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton mocked in a post to X.

During an interview on Friday, Vance said his comments should be interpreted as “sarcasm” as he responded to the backlash. “The point is not that she’s lesser. The point is that her party has pursued a set of policies that are profoundly anti-child,” the Ohio senator told conservative commentator Megyn Kelly.

“This is not about criticizing people who, for various reasons, didn’t have kids. This is about criticizing the Democratic Party for becoming anti-family and anti-child,” he added.

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2024, 03:55:18 pm »
It’s a pattern of behavior that nobody should have expected to change.  Do you remember the chaos from his first term?

JD Vance sucked up to Trump more than anyone lately.  There were many better candidates, but Donald was afraid of being contradicted or even worse, outshone.  His method of selecting people is no better than DEI.

DJT has proven time and time again around employment tactics.....   "Brown-nosers only apply"
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2024, 04:04:21 pm »
Trump team slams ‘absolutely absurd’ attacks on Vance as VP pick takes flack for ‘cat lady’ comments
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Emily Hallas
July 27, 2024 3:10 pm
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After Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH) caught flak for controversial comments about “childless cat ladies,” former President Donald Trump’s campaign is hitting back with a spirited defense.

“The fact of the matter is, it’s been blatantly taken out of context,” Trump campaign advisor Chris LaCivita said during a Brian Kilmeade Show segment that aired on Friday. Asked if the Trump campaign was against “childless women,” Lacivita retorted, “No, that’s absurd. It’s absolutely absurd.”

Lacivita’s support for Trump’s running mate comes after a media firestorm erupted over comments Vance made several years ago. During a 2021 Fox News interview, the Ohio senator made observations about Vice President Kamala Harris — and other notable members of President Joe Biden’s administration — not having biological children.

“We are effectively run in this country, via the Democrats, via our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they’ve made, and so they wanna make the rest of the country miserable, too,” Vance told then-Fox News host Tucker Carlson.


https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1815503440983867598

“It’s just a basic fact — you look at Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, AOC — the entire future of the Democrats is controlled by people without children,” Vance continued. “How does it make any sense that we’ve turned our country over to people who don’t really have a direct stake in it?”

After the interview resurfaced on social media this week, critics were quick to note Harris has two stepchildren, while labeling Vance as sexist and extreme.

“What a normal, relatable guy who certainly doesn’t hate women having freedoms,” former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton mocked in a post to X.

During an interview on Friday, Vance said his comments should be interpreted as “sarcasm” as he responded to the backlash. “The point is not that she’s lesser. The point is that her party has pursued a set of policies that are profoundly anti-child,” the Ohio senator told conservative commentator Megyn Kelly.

“This is not about criticizing people who, for various reasons, didn’t have kids. This is about criticizing the Democratic Party for becoming anti-family and anti-child,” he added.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/presidential/3101880/trump-team-slams-attacks-on-vance/

???? So JD is telling us now that this should be interpreted as sarcasm.  *****rollingeyes*****  Right. 

Ok, so now we have a VP candidate who not only doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut like his boss, but will need to clarify what he said he meant. Got it.

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2024, 04:05:22 pm »
Younkin, Sununu, Corbett, Walker, Snyder, Laxalt

Thank you. I didn't know they wanted the job.
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2024, 04:05:49 pm »
Has any conservative/Republican stood up and demanded the liberal freaks prove Vance's actual point is wrong?

So you're asking Republicans to prove that women really are doomed to an unfulfilling and miserable life if they don't have children? 

That all unmarried liberal women actually are crazy cat ladies?

That you should stay with a guy who is beating the hell out of you?  Doubling down on stupid is all you've got?




You didn't leave even a drop of Kool-Aid for anyone else, did you?
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2024, 04:06:24 pm »
They weren't asked.
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2024, 04:08:10 pm »
It’s a pattern of behavior that nobody should have expected to change.  Do you remember the chaos from his first term?

JD Vance sucked up to Trump more than anyone lately.  There were many better candidates, but Donald was afraid of being contradicted or even worse, outshone.  His method of selecting people is no better than DEI.

Can't argue with a word of this.  Exactly the concern a bunch of us have been raising for the last year and a half

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2024, 04:08:38 pm »
How is Vance "chauvinistic" @libertybele

Well, let's see .... based on his comments about women he comes across as a male who shows prejudice against women.  You can try to change what he said, by what he meant to say, but it still comes out the same.

The comment about staying in an abusive relationship --- that's going to sink him either further.

No worries .... he was just being sarcastic.   :whistle:

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2024, 04:09:25 pm »
Vance will do great if you are a proponent of government being the solution to all your problems.  If you are on board with another $8 trillion in newly printed money over the next four years just so that Democrats can have a full campaign chest over the next two elections, then Vance is your man.

...and there's another concern a bunch of us had about Trump.

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2024, 04:11:07 pm »
It’s a pattern of behavior that nobody should have expected to change.  Do you remember the chaos from his first term?

JD Vance sucked up to Trump more than anyone lately.  There were many better candidates, but Donald was afraid of being contradicted or even worse, outshone.  His method of selecting people is no better than DEI.

Ouch.

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2024, 04:14:27 pm »
Thank you. I didn't know they wanted the job.

They didn't --- which fit nicely with the campaign's plans.  :laugh:

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2024, 04:18:09 pm »
His method of selecting people is no better than DEI.

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2024, 04:20:45 pm »
They didn't --- which fit nicely with the campaign's plans.  :laugh:

The campaign only has need for ass-kissing opportunistic big government types.
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2024, 04:22:39 pm »
Par for the course. We'll see if par is enough to win...

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2024, 04:23:59 pm »
Too bad they didin't take .00001% of what they spent on the RNC, and hired Vance a decent communications content handler/consultant.
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #49 on: July 27, 2024, 04:54:44 pm »
Do the women in this video count @libertybele

https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1817254625575076181

He's separating one demographic of women over another -- women with children over women without children -- even suggesting that they should be granted more votes and tax breaks.  Families already get tax breaks for children.  :shrug:

Look, JD isn't going to keep me from voting for Trump, but I think that there are women who will be offended by this regardless if they have children or not.  Granting more votes is yet another issue.  It was clearly stated by him.

You can try to spin this whatever way you want -- so far his rebuttal is he was being sarcastic.   *****rollingeyes*****