Trump should ditch JD Vance

[mystery-ak]

Trump should ditch JD Vance
By
Christopher Tremoglie
July 26, 2024 12:24 pm
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A wise man once said, “To make no mistakes is not in the power of man, but from their errors and mistakes, the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.”

With this sentiment, consider this a plea for former President Donald Trump to move on from Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH). I write this as someone who supported Trump in 2016 and 2020 and will vote for him in November. But I implore him, please, ditch Vance. It pains me to say this, especially given the Left’s recent attacks, but there is a difference between surrendering to left-wing attacks and acknowledging a political reality. Having Vance as a running mate could legitimately cost Trump the election, as evidenced by recent polls.

Granted, Democrats, the Left, and those in the media would dig up dirt and demonize anyone Trump would choose. So probably all polls would be bad. After all, these are the group of people currently advancing the idea that Trump was not shot during the assassination attempt. So, admittedly, he can do no right in the eyes of his opponents. Trump could select Jesus as his running mate, and Democrats and others on the Left would label him an insurrectionist who destroyed tables in temples and associated with lepers, and as an alcoholic who used water to make wine.

Nevertheless, Vance seems particularly awful.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/3100702/trump-should-ditch-jd-vance/

[Hoodat]

With this sentiment, consider this a plea for former President Donald Trump to move on from Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH). I write this as someone who supported Trump in 2016 and 2020 and will vote for him in November. But I implore him, please, ditch Vance. It pains me to say this, especially given the Left’s recent attacks, but there is a difference between surrendering to left-wing attacks and acknowledging a political reality. Having Vance as a running mate could legitimately cost Trump the election, as evidenced by recent polls.

I agree with the conclusion, but for different reasons.  Vance brings nothing to the table in helping Trump win.  Zero.  For such an exclusive spot, he would have been much better served by choosing someone with a better upside.

With Vance, we lose a Senate seat to a RINO.  And we get zero help in battleground states.  With someone like Glenn Younkin, we gain a new battleground state.  And we put Winsome Sears in the Governor's mansion.

At this point, it is too late to choose another VP candidate.  But it goes a long way towards showing that Trump hasn't learned a damn thing since picking Pence and Priebus in 2016.

[roamer_1]

At this point, it is too late to choose another VP candidate.  But it goes a long way towards showing that Trump hasn't learned a damn thing since picking Pence and Priebus in 2016.

TADA!

[mystery-ak]

At this point, it is too late to choose another VP candidate.  But it goes a long way towards showing that Trump hasn't learned a damn thing since picking Pence and Priebus in 2016.

I know..I am so upset over this choice...

[libertybele]

I agree with the conclusion, but for different reasons.  Vance brings nothing to the table in helping Trump win.  Zero.  For such an exclusive spot, he would have been much better served by choosing someone with a better upside.

With Vance, we lose a Senate seat to a RINO.  And we get zero help in battleground states.  With someone like Glenn Younkin, we gain a new battleground state.  And we put Winsome Sears in the Governor's mansion.

At this point, it is too late to choose another VP candidate.  But it goes a long way towards showing that Trump hasn't learned a damn thing since picking Pence and Priebus in 2016.

I come to the same conclusion, Vance could cost Trump the election.

However, I think he still has time to ditch him but I believe that he would have to have Vance step down.  I believe he can do so before the DEM roll call and convention.

[libertybele]

I agree with the conclusion, but for different reasons.  Vance brings nothing to the table in helping Trump win.  Zero.  For such an exclusive spot, he would have been much better served by choosing someone with a better upside.

With Vance, we lose a Senate seat to a RINO.  And we get zero help in battleground states.  With someone like Glenn Younkin, we gain a new battleground state.  And we put Winsome Sears in the Governor's mansion.

At this point, it is too late to choose another VP candidate.  But it goes a long way towards showing that Trump hasn't learned a damn thing since picking Pence and Priebus in 2016.

@Hoodat definitely Younkin would be better, and putting Sears in the governor's seat would be icing on the cake!

WTH was Trump thinking?  Vance brings nothing to the table, as of now -- he's already sinking his ship with the female vote!

[catfish1957]

Ditching this horse mid-course would be more damaging than good politically.

Vance should pen an op-ed and do a  mea culpa.  State his comments were out of context of what he meant.  Admit it was a mistake, and move on.

[libertybele]

Ditching this horse mid-course would be more damaging than good politically.

Vance should pen an op-ed and do a  mea culpa.  State his comments were out of context of what he meant.  Admit it was a mistake, and move on.

The left will continue to try to destroy him.  Is inexperience is what's going to sink him (IMO) ---  they really need to concentrate on him being a conservative, with Christian values ..... abortions decided by states .... border ......

If they're not going to have him step down -- He's relatively unknown and they need to make him known then.

I still wonder what Trump thinks he brings to the table other than he's friends with Don Jr.

https://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/JD_Vance.htm


    *Don't be too quick to leave a marriage to violent spouse. (Jul 2022)
    *Divorce might be better for mom & dad, but not for the kids. (Jul 2022)
    *Reinvigorate American families; tax code penalizes marriage. (Oct 2021)
   * Expanded childcare favors affluent over working class. (Jul 2021)
    *Working moms support families by doing "women's work". (May 2017)

[LMAO]

    *Don't be too quick to leave a marriage to violent spouse. (Jul 2022)
    *Divorce might be better for mom & dad, but not for the kids. (Jul 2022)
    *Reinvigorate American families; tax code penalizes marriage. (Oct 2021)
   * Expanded childcare favors affluent over working class. (Jul 2021)
    *Working moms support families by doing "women's work". (May 2017)

I agree with him on the second and third


The first is very damaging

[Right_in_Virginia]

Has any conservative/Republican stood up and demanded the liberal freaks prove Vance's actual point is wrong?  Or recommended republicans take a page from the DNC playbook and write one of those clever one-liners and repeat it en masse over and over again, overshadowing the freaks?

Or is it the plan for conservative/republicans to head straight for the fainting couch and curl up in a white flag?

Asking for a friend.

[libertybele]

I agree with him on the second and third


The first is very damaging

Yes the first is damaging.  I again think he comes across as very chauvinistic. 

You can bet that the leftists are combing through his background and this will come up.

[Hoodat]

Has any conservative/Republican stood up and demanded the liberal freaks prove Vance's actual point is wrong?  Or recommended republicans take a page from the DNC playbook and write one of those clever one-liners and repeat it en masse over and over again, overshadowing the freaks?

Or is it the plan for conservative/republicans to head straight for the fainting couch and curl up in a white flag?

Asking for a friend.

Has any Trump zealot put forward a reasonable response why Vance was a better choice than anyone from a battleground state who, unlike Vance, actually had executive experience?

[bigheadfred]

Has any conservative/Republican stood up and demanded the liberal freaks prove Vance's actual point is wrong?  Or recommended republicans take a page from the DNC playbook and write one of those clever one-liners and repeat it en masse over and over again, overshadowing the freaks?

Or is it the plan for conservative/republicans to head straight for the fainting couch and curl up in a white flag?

Asking for a friend.

KAMALA IS A COMMUNIST

Pass it on.

[catfish1957]

The left will continue to try to destroy him.  Is inexperience is what's going to sink him (IMO) ---  they really need to concentrate on him being a conservative, with Christian values ..... abortions decided by states .... border ......

If they're not going to have him step down -- He's relatively unknown and they need to make him known then.

I still wonder what Trump thinks he brings to the table other than he's friends with Don Jr.

https://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/JD_Vance.htm


    *Don't be too quick to leave a marriage to violent spouse. (Jul 2022)
    *Divorce might be better for mom & dad, but not for the kids. (Jul 2022)
    *Reinvigorate American families; tax code penalizes marriage. (Oct 2021)
   * Expanded childcare favors affluent over working class. (Jul 2021)
    *Working moms support families by doing "women's work". (May 2017)

I thought Cotton, Hawley, or even Youngkin would have made a better choice.  Still, this is Trump's hand picked VPOTUS, and now he needs to deal with the consequences.    Historically, the closest example we have to a pick being plucked out of the race is Thomas Eagleton in 1972.  McGovern got slammed for lack of vetting, indecieveness, and lack of loyalty.  It was just another example of one of the worst run campaigns in my lifetime.

I think there is plenty of time to right the ship, but he needs some decent handlers manage what might be a fatal flaw that he shares with Trump.....   Foot in Mouth Disease.  JD needs to realize that there are uncounted ways to get your message across without pissing off a substantial percentage of the electorate. 

And I hope he learns this lesson quickly.

[libertybele]

Has any conservative/Republican stood up and demanded the liberal freaks prove Vance's actual point is wrong?  Or recommended republicans take e a page from the DNC playbook and write one of those clever one-liners and repeat it en masse over and over again, overshadowing the freaks?

Or is it the plan for conservative/republicans to head straight for the fainting couch and curl up in a white flag?

Asking for a friend.

Get real. It's up to JD to clarify and defend himself period.  He said what he said -- the longer he allows the leftists to dwell on this the more chance he has of alienating women -- a much needed demographic in order for Trump to win.

It doesn't end there for alienating women:  He's been quoted as saying:


    *Don't be too quick to leave a marriage to violent spouse. (Jul 2022)

Really? He's given more ammunition to the leftists...  So -- how else is that supposed to be interpreted other than he's saying that women shouldn't be too quick to get out of an abusive marriage? Does he think spousal abuse is ok???  When is it time to get out of a marriage with a violent spouse?  Did he make that comment because he was an abuser and now has turned a new leaf????? 

He's not going to be able to escape his chauvinistic mentality.

[Hoodat]

Can't wait to see what RINO DeWine picks to replace him in the Senate.  That is IF Trump wins.  He'll lose some Michigan votes for sure.

[catfish1957]

Has any conservative/Republican stood up and demanded the liberal freaks prove Vance's actual point is wrong?  Or recommended republicans take a page from the DNC playbook and write one of those clever one-liners and repeat it en masse over and over again, overshadowing the freaks?

Or is it the plan for conservative/republicans to head straight for the fainting couch and curl up in a white flag?

Asking for a friend.

Yeah, that comment (paraphrased)  that childless women are lesser people is really going win swing votes.  Especially those that aren't medically able.

You're past delusional.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Vance brings nothing to the table, as of now -- he's already sinking his ship with the female vote!

Why is it difficult to remember there are women in America who believe in and live the motto:  "God, country, FAMILY", who know how fundamentally having children changes a worldview.  They also buy groceries, fill the car with gas, are horrified by the gay agenda in our schools, like their men strong, agree abortion should have limits ------- and will vote to prove it. 

Why do conservative/republicans kick these women to the curb in favor of satisfying and coddling the Kamalas ---- who wouldn't vote for you in either this life, or the next no matter what you say?

[Hoodat]

Why is it difficult to remember there are women in America who believe in and live the motto:  "God, country, FAMILY", who know how fundamentally having children changes a worldview.  They also buy groceries, fill the car with gas, are horrified by the gay agenda in our schools, like their men strong, agree abortion should have limits ------- and will vote to prove it. 

Why do conservative/republicans kick these women to the curb in favor of satisfying and coddling the Kamalas ---- who wouldn't vote for you in either this life, or the next?

Again, why was Vance was a better choice than anyone from a battleground state who, unlike Vance, actually had executive experience?

[bigheadfred]

Again, why was Vance was a better choice than anyone from a battleground state who, unlike Vance, actually had executive experience?

I need names.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Yeah, that comment (paraphrased)  that childless women are lesser people is really going win swing votes.  Especially those that aren't medically able.

You're past delusional.

You could take control of the narrative ---- if you weren't past frightened, ignorant and lazy.

[DCPatriot]

Why is it difficult to remember there are women in America who believe in and live the motto:  "God, country, FAMILY", who know how fundamentally having children changes a worldview.  They also buy groceries, fill the car with gas, are horrified by the gay agenda in our schools, like their men strong, agree abortion should have limits ------- and will vote to prove it. 

Why do conservative/republicans kick these women to the curb in favor of satisfying and coddling the Kamalas ---- who wouldn't vote for you in either this life, or the next no matter what you say?

The women vote was critically wounded the day SCOTUS repealed Roe v Wade and turned it back to the States.

Everything else is "White Noise".  How is Vance's take any different than Harrison Butker's?

Without informational dominance, the GOP faces a Herculean task to broadcast your sensible post on the matter.

[libertybele]

I thought Cotton, Hawley, or even Youngkin would have made a better choice.  Still, this is Trump's hand picked VPOTUS, and now he needs to deal with the consequences.    Historically, the closest example we have to a pick being plucked out of the race is Thomas Eagleton in 1972.  McGovern got slammed for lack of vetting, indecieveness, and lack of loyalty.  It was just another example of one of the worst run campaigns in my lifetime.

I think there is plenty of time to right the ship, but he needs some decent handlers manage what might be a fatal flaw that he shares with Trump.....   Foot in Mouth Disease.  JD needs to realize that there are uncounted ways to get your message across without pissing off a substantial percentage of the electorate. 

And I hope he learns this lesson quickly.

Perhaps, however this really brings about another issue.  Trump's age.  JD would be president should something happen to Trump. Is that going to be a deal breaker???  I don't think so as of now, but I doubt that the leftists are done tearing him apart.

I see JD as arrogant and chauvanistic. He just doesn't bring a whole lot to the ticket that's beneficial other than his youthfulness, but along with that comes inexperience.

[libertybele]

Why is it difficult to remember there are women in America who believe in and live the motto:  "God, country, FAMILY", who know how fundamentally having children changes a worldview.  They also buy groceries, fill the car with gas, are horrified by the gay agenda in our schools, like their men strong, agree abortion should have limits ------- and will vote to prove it. 

Why do conservative/republicans kick these women to the curb in favor of satisfying and coddling the Kamalas ---- who wouldn't vote for you in either this life, or the next no matter what you say?

So ... these women agree that they should stay in an abusive marriage or did you miss JD's comment on that??

[catfish1957]

You could take control of the narrative ---- if you weren't past frightened, ignorant and lazy.

If you were so dumbfounded in your orange little covey hole, you'd realize you Orange muffins aren't deciding this election.  It's the moderate Indys in Swing States, and that comments like Vance's have alientated a bunch of them.

You really need to learn how stategic electoral processed works before sticking your foot in your mouth.  Oooops...wait.  That's the norm in the Trumpisphere.

[massadvj]

Based on what I can observe, I think Trump picked Vance because of his industrial heartland backstory, and because Vance was the most telegenic of the finalists. Also, I think Trump miscalculated in thinking that the race would not be very close, so he could pick whoever he wanted. I think Trump felt better chemistry with Vance than anyone else. Now that it looks like it might be a race, everyone is second-guessing. I think Vance will do fine. He is intelligent and capable.

[Hoodat]

I need names.

Younkin, Sununu, Corbett, Walker, Snyder, Laxalt

[Right_in_Virginia]

He's not going to be able to escape his chauvinistic mentality.

How is Vance "chauvinistic" @libertybele   

[Hoodat]

Still waiting.  How was Vance was a better choice than anyone from a battleground state who, unlike Vance, actually had executive experience?

[catfish1957]

 He is intelligent and capable.

He might be.  And hopefully this is his first and last misfire on the campaign trail.

[Hoodat]

Now that it looks like it might be a race, everyone is second-guessing. I think Vance will do fine. He is intelligent and capable.

Vance will do great if you are a proponent of government being the solution to all your problems.  If you are on board with another $8 trillion in newly printed money over the next four years just so that Democrats can have a full campaign chest over the next two elections, then Vance is your man.

[cato potatoe]

WTH was Trump thinking?  Vance brings nothing to the table, as of now -- he's already sinking his ship with the female vote!

It’s a pattern of behavior that nobody should have expected to change.  Do you remember the chaos from his first term?

JD Vance sucked up to Trump more than anyone lately.  There were many better candidates, but Donald was afraid of being contradicted or even worse, outshone.  His method of selecting people is no better than DEI. 

[Hoodat]

JD Vance sucked up to Trump more than anyone lately.

B-I-N-G-O

[mystery-ak]

Trump team slams ‘absolutely absurd’ attacks on Vance as VP pick takes flack for ‘cat lady’ comments
By
Emily Hallas
July 27, 2024 3:10 pm
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After Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH) caught flak for controversial comments about “childless cat ladies,” former President Donald Trump’s campaign is hitting back with a spirited defense.

“The fact of the matter is, it’s been blatantly taken out of context,” Trump campaign advisor Chris LaCivita said during a Brian Kilmeade Show segment that aired on Friday. Asked if the Trump campaign was against “childless women,” Lacivita retorted, “No, that’s absurd. It’s absolutely absurd.”

Lacivita’s support for Trump’s running mate comes after a media firestorm erupted over comments Vance made several years ago. During a 2021 Fox News interview, the Ohio senator made observations about Vice President Kamala Harris — and other notable members of President Joe Biden’s administration — not having biological children.

“We are effectively run in this country, via the Democrats, via our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they’ve made, and so they wanna make the rest of the country miserable, too,” Vance told then-Fox News host Tucker Carlson.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1815503440983867598

“It’s just a basic fact — you look at Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, AOC — the entire future of the Democrats is controlled by people without children,” Vance continued. “How does it make any sense that we’ve turned our country over to people who don’t really have a direct stake in it?”

After the interview resurfaced on social media this week, critics were quick to note Harris has two stepchildren, while labeling Vance as sexist and extreme.

“What a normal, relatable guy who certainly doesn’t hate women having freedoms,” former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton mocked in a post to X.

During an interview on Friday, Vance said his comments should be interpreted as “sarcasm” as he responded to the backlash. “The point is not that she’s lesser. The point is that her party has pursued a set of policies that are profoundly anti-child,” the Ohio senator told conservative commentator Megyn Kelly.

“This is not about criticizing people who, for various reasons, didn’t have kids. This is about criticizing the Democratic Party for becoming anti-family and anti-child,” he added.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/presidential/3101880/trump-team-slams-attacks-on-vance/

[catfish1957]

It’s a pattern of behavior that nobody should have expected to change.  Do you remember the chaos from his first term?

JD Vance sucked up to Trump more than anyone lately.  There were many better candidates, but Donald was afraid of being contradicted or even worse, outshone.  His method of selecting people is no better than DEI.

DJT has proven time and time again around employment tactics.....   "Brown-nosers only apply"

[libertybele]

Trump team slams ‘absolutely absurd’ attacks on Vance as VP pick takes flack for ‘cat lady’ comments
By
Emily Hallas
July 27, 2024 3:10 pm
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After Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH) caught flak for controversial comments about “childless cat ladies,” former President Donald Trump’s campaign is hitting back with a spirited defense.

“The fact of the matter is, it’s been blatantly taken out of context,” Trump campaign advisor Chris LaCivita said during a Brian Kilmeade Show segment that aired on Friday. Asked if the Trump campaign was against “childless women,” Lacivita retorted, “No, that’s absurd. It’s absolutely absurd.”

Lacivita’s support for Trump’s running mate comes after a media firestorm erupted over comments Vance made several years ago. During a 2021 Fox News interview, the Ohio senator made observations about Vice President Kamala Harris — and other notable members of President Joe Biden’s administration — not having biological children.

“We are effectively run in this country, via the Democrats, via our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they’ve made, and so they wanna make the rest of the country miserable, too,” Vance told then-Fox News host Tucker Carlson.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1815503440983867598

“It’s just a basic fact — you look at Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, AOC — the entire future of the Democrats is controlled by people without children,” Vance continued. “How does it make any sense that we’ve turned our country over to people who don’t really have a direct stake in it?”

After the interview resurfaced on social media this week, critics were quick to note Harris has two stepchildren, while labeling Vance as sexist and extreme.

“What a normal, relatable guy who certainly doesn’t hate women having freedoms,” former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton mocked in a post to X.

During an interview on Friday, Vance said his comments should be interpreted as “sarcasm” as he responded to the backlash. “The point is not that she’s lesser. The point is that her party has pursued a set of policies that are profoundly anti-child,” the Ohio senator told conservative commentator Megyn Kelly.

“This is not about criticizing people who, for various reasons, didn’t have kids. This is about criticizing the Democratic Party for becoming anti-family and anti-child,” he added.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/presidential/3101880/trump-team-slams-attacks-on-vance/

???? So JD is telling us now that this should be interpreted as sarcasm.    Right. 

Ok, so now we have a VP candidate who not only doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut like his boss, but will need to clarify what he said he meant. Got it.

[bigheadfred]

Younkin, Sununu, Corbett, Walker, Snyder, Laxalt

Thank you. I didn't know they wanted the job.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Has any conservative/Republican stood up and demanded the liberal freaks prove Vance's actual point is wrong?

So you're asking Republicans to prove that women really are doomed to an unfulfilling and miserable life if they don't have children? 

That all unmarried liberal women actually are crazy cat ladies?

That you should stay with a guy who is beating the hell out of you?  Doubling down on stupid is all you've got?




You didn't leave even a drop of Kool-Aid for anyone else, did you?

[Hoodat]

They weren't asked.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

It’s a pattern of behavior that nobody should have expected to change.  Do you remember the chaos from his first term?

JD Vance sucked up to Trump more than anyone lately.  There were many better candidates, but Donald was afraid of being contradicted or even worse, outshone.  His method of selecting people is no better than DEI.

Can't argue with a word of this.  Exactly the concern a bunch of us have been raising for the last year and a half

[libertybele]

How is Vance "chauvinistic" @libertybele

Well, let's see .... based on his comments about women he comes across as a male who shows prejudice against women.  You can try to change what he said, by what he meant to say, but it still comes out the same.

The comment about staying in an abusive relationship --- that's going to sink him either further.

No worries .... he was just being sarcastic.   

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Vance will do great if you are a proponent of government being the solution to all your problems.  If you are on board with another $8 trillion in newly printed money over the next four years just so that Democrats can have a full campaign chest over the next two elections, then Vance is your man.

...and there's another concern a bunch of us had about Trump.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

It’s a pattern of behavior that nobody should have expected to change.  Do you remember the chaos from his first term?

JD Vance sucked up to Trump more than anyone lately.  There were many better candidates, but Donald was afraid of being contradicted or even worse, outshone.  His method of selecting people is no better than DEI.

Ouch.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Do the women in this video count @libertybele

https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1817254625575076181

[Right_in_Virginia]

Thank you. I didn't know they wanted the job.

They didn't --- which fit nicely with the campaign's plans. 

[Hoodat]

His method of selecting people is no better than DEI.

[Hoodat]

They didn't --- which fit nicely with the campaign's plans. 

The campaign only has need for ass-kissing opportunistic big government types.

[DB]

Par for the course. We'll see if par is enough to win...

[catfish1957]

Too bad they didin't take .00001% of what they spent on the RNC, and hired Vance a decent communications content handler/consultant.

[libertybele]

Do the women in this video count @libertybele

https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1817254625575076181

He's separating one demographic of women over another -- women with children over women without children -- even suggesting that they should be granted more votes and tax breaks.  Families already get tax breaks for children. 

Look, JD isn't going to keep me from voting for Trump, but I think that there are women who will be offended by this regardless if they have children or not.  Granting more votes is yet another issue.  It was clearly stated by him.

You can try to spin this whatever way you want -- so far his rebuttal is he was being sarcastic.