Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]

[Lando Lincoln]

Good observation. No point if he was just going to spray bullets into the stands. So what if you are off a few inches for mass murder. He clearly was targeting Trump.

Yeah, that mass mayhem theory never passed the sniff test. It is deliberate obfuscation.

[roamer_1]

Good observation. No point if he was just going to spray bullets into the stands. So what if you are off a few inches for mass murder. He clearly was targeting Trump.

It also reinforces his experience level, somewhat... Ain't a deer hunter around that can't judge distance out to 200 yards or so, with a reasonable proficiency, by eyeball alone. So his attendance at the rifle club was intermittent at best.

I mean... I ain't no whiz. Yes, I'm a hunter, with quite a bit of experience at it. But I ain't no gun wizard. But pretty much, given decent conditions, most guys that have any familiarity with rifles would be able to put 5 shots in a pie plate at 130 yards - Without a rangefinder.


Has anyone figured out his other shots?

[Smokin Joe]

So. He was using the rangefinder, on purpose, from the ground, to get a rough idea of his distance.
He was definitely targeting what he was aiming at.

That gets rid of the idea that he was going there with the thought of Vegas-style mayhem.
This was, fer shur, an inept attempt at a surgical strike. That's what he was doing.

Not a 'random' act at all.
He was on a mission.
He had a target in mind (he was ranging it).
He was not completely nuts, unless it's the kind of 'nuts' that plans, and likely he had no escape plan, unless there is a whole lot here we do not know about and someone(s) had assured him of aid in that (which folds back into conspiracy territory). All they would have to do is just not show, but either way, the kid was dead from the time he produced the rifle on the roof.
If this was his opus, the absence of some sort of manifesto is puzzling.

If he had done his homework and just walked it out wandering around, he could have saved that 'tell'.

[roamer_1]

Yeah, that mass mayhem theory never passed the sniff test. It is deliberate obfuscation.

Right. Good to know it's pretty near set in stone that it is wrong though.
Now that it can't be that, that is cleared from the table. That's good.

[Smokin Joe]

To be fair... I brought a young lady home from a fancy-dress thing, back in the day... I don't remember the exact circumstances involved in me having to make a hasty exit through her bedroom window - But that's not important now.

What I mean to say is that Sunday shoes on a tin roof are a bad idea. Maybe them SS fellers just need some high-tops. 

Hush Puppies with gum rubber soles...

[Bigun]

Right. Good to know it's pretty near set in stone that it is wrong though.
Now that it can't be that, that is cleared from the table. That's good.

For me, it was off the table about two seconds after it came up.

[MeganC]

"I heard it was a golf range finder." - @mountaineer

I did too. It'll do the job all the same.

[Lando Lincoln]

Not a 'random' act at all.
He was on a mission.
He had a target in mind (he was ranging it).
He was not completely nuts, unless it's the kind of 'nuts' that plans, and likely he had no escape plan, unless there is a whole lot here we do not know about and someone(s) had assured him of aid in that (which folds back into conspiracy territory). All they would have to do is just not show, but either way, the kid was dead from the time he produced the rifle on the roof.
If this was his opus, the absence of some sort of manifesto is puzzling.

If he had done his homework and just walked it out wandering around, he could have saved that 'tell'.

Agree with your post. A couple of things:

The apparent lack of manifesto is curious. So too is his apparent absence from social media or his reported lack of serious political leanings.  His dead end trails seem unbelievable.

The rangefinder shows a target specific intent - he wasn’t planning to spray a large crowd. But, it may show his inexperience as a shooter. At that distance, his point of aim required no adjustment. Pie plate shooting would be easy-peasy. I know I read he had purchased 62 gr FMJ BT rounds which may have even flatter trajectory at that distance.

So many things are jus weird.

[Smokin Joe]

Agree with your post. A couple of things:

The apparent lack of manifesto is curious. So too is his apparent absence from social media or his reported lack of serious political leanings.  His dead end trails seem unbelievable.

The rangefinder shows a target specific intent - he wasn’t planning to spray a large crowd. But, it may show his inexperience as a shooter. At that distance, his point of aim required no adjustment. Pie plate shooting would be easy-peasy. I know I read he had purchased 62 gr FMJ BT rounds which may have even flatter trajectory at that distance.

So many things are jus weird.

Agreed. There is a lot there that just does not flange up.

Regardless of bullet drop, point of aim can be shifted with adjustments to the optical sight to point of impact at a given range. A couple of shots to check zero, and the rifle is ready to use. Similarly, knowing the ballistics of the round, the shooter can aim slightly higher or lower to compensate. Obviously, the point of aim can be shifted slightly to compensate for wind drift, too. As a hunter, I have done so often.

There is no debate that had Trump not turned his head and leaned slightly forward in doing so to see the graphic, it would have been a lethal shot.

God is not done with Mr Trump yet, and once again he has been used to expose incompetence (and quite possibly engineered evil) in the people who are supposed to be working for us all.

[roamer_1]

Agree with your post. A couple of things:

The apparent lack of manifesto is curious. So too is his apparent absence from social media or his reported lack of serious political leanings.  His dead end trails seem unbelievable.

Agreed. Very weird. It looks scrubbed.

[Hoodat]

Secret Service says it's appalled by DEI rhetoric against female agents after Trump rally shooting

The Secret Service, in a statement to NBC News, said that the criticism from pundits and influencers was baseless. The agency also stood by its commitment to diversity in recruiting as helping, not hurting, the effectiveness of its protective teams.

In other words, the main concern of the Secret Service is whether a couple of female agents get their feelings hurt for not being up to the job.  Near the bottom of the list, we have concerns about whether their investigation will be a success.  And at the very bottom is the protection of a former President and political candidate.

[roamer_1]

Is there some kind of graphic with all the shots tracked? Hopefully in 3 dimensions?

My bro said he must have been shooting through the grandstands... I dunno if that's right.

[Smokin Joe]

Agreed. Very weird. It looks scrubbed.

Yeah. A 20 year old without any social media presence? That is far-fetched.

[roamer_1]

For me, it was off the table about two seconds after it came up.

Sure. Me too. But it requires evidence to the contrary. That's all I'm saying.

[roamer_1]

Yeah. A 20 year old without any social media presence? That is far-fetched.

There's another profile, or something.

[Hoodat]

Shots fired: A county official also revealed that at least one local police officer had fired on the would-be assassin as shots erupted at the campaign rally. But it was uncertain if the local officer had hit the gunman, who was killed by Secret Service snipers, the agency has said.

How in the hell is it not certain?  They know where the police officer fired from.  They know the target.  They know the trajectory.  Did they or did they not find holes in the dead wannabe assassin consistent with that trajectory?  Did they find any human matter on the bullet which they obviously have had enough time to locate?  How in blazes can they not know?

I have zero confidence in this regime.  America needs to hear someone from government come out, address the people, and say that no stone will remain unturned until they get to the bottom of this.  The head of the Secret Service or FBI should be out there right now raining fire down on the entire department until they can explain every minute detail of what happened.  But the only official word we get from this regime is how we shouldn't be picking on their DEI hires.

[Smokin Joe]

How in the hell is it not certain?  They know where the police officer fired from.  They know the target.  They know the trajectory.  Did they or did they not find holes in the dead wannabe assassin consistent with that trajectory?  Did they find any human matter on the bullet which they obviously have had enough time to locate?  How in blazes can they not know?

I have zero confidence in this regime.  America needs to hear someone from government come out, address the people, and say that no stone will remain unturned until they get to the bottom of this.  The head of the Secret Service or FBI should be out there right now raining fire down on the entire department until they can explain every minute detail of what happened.  But the only official word we get from this regime is how we shouldn't be picking on their DEI hires.

Makes you wonder if any of the bullets have been recovered for ballistic matching--or how many of them will be.
NOT finding them leaves other questions open, and finding them might produce answers no one wants.

[Bigun]

Is there some kind of graphic with all the shots tracked? Hopefully in 3 dimensions?

My bro said he must have been shooting through the grandstands... I dunno if that's right.

Here's what I do know. Doug Mills, the photographer who took the iconic photo of G. W. Bush being informed of the 9/11 attack, just happened to show up at a run of the mill Trump rally with a VERY expensive camera all set up to take a picture of a bullet in flight. Pure coincidence?  You decide.

[Hoodat]

NOT finding them leaves other questions open, and finding them might produce answers no one wants.

Not looking for them leaves even more questions open.

[Smokin Joe]

Not looking for them leaves even more questions open.

Not looking is an answer in itself.

[DCPatriot]

Yeah. A 20 year old without any social media presence? That is far-fetched.

Gamers who play "HALO" and other "War Games" 3 plus hours a day and late into the night have their own circle of friends online.

They don't use Facebook, etc..

[roamer_1]

Here's what I do know. Doug Mills, the photographer who took the iconic photo of G. W. Bush being informed of the 9/11 attack, just happened to show up at a run of the mill Trump rally with a VERY expensive camera all set up to take a picture of a bullet in flight. Pure coincidence?  You decide.

Means nothing to me.
I know nothing about cameras, not to mention photography, so what is weird or very expensive is lost on me.

[DCPatriot]

Means nothing to me.
I know nothing about cameras, not to mention photography, so what is weird or very expensive is lost on me.

That makes two things you know nothing about.  Photography and Politics.   

[DB]

Here's what I do know. Doug Mills, the photographer who took the iconic photo of G. W. Bush being informed of the 9/11 attack, just happened to show up at a run of the mill Trump rally with a VERY expensive camera all set up to take a picture of a bullet in flight. Pure coincidence?  You decide.

The report said the camera takes 30 pictures per second or 1 picture every 33.33 ms. If the bullet is going about 3,000' a second, the bullet travels about 100' between each picture. He had to be VERY lucky to capture the image of the bullet even with his fancy camera.

It is possible that image isn't the bullet but instead the remnants of Trumps ear. That would persist much longer and dissipate into the air.

[MeganC]

Here's what I do know. Doug Mills, the photographer who took the iconic photo of G. W. Bush being informed of the 9/11 attack, just happened to show up at a run of the mill Trump rally with a VERY expensive camera all set up to take a picture of a bullet in flight. Pure coincidence?  You decide.

The guy who covers Presidents covering a President is not a conspiracy, it's his job. And he's pretty good at it to get a picture like that during a gun battle.