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What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« on: July 14, 2024, 11:35:30 am »
What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?

On the political spectrum, I fall into that grey area of conservatie Dem / liberal Repub.  I am a sailor without a ship to sail on.

Dems demagogue their opponents.
Repubs impune trust in election results.

Dems preach "good trouble"
Repubs preach "1776".

Both sides want to infringe upon my freedoms of choice.
Both sides want an over-reaching Government to make some choices for me, on my behalf.
Both sides want to do things that effect me, without asking me first.
Both sides want me to donate to them, but neither side wants to listen to me.

Where is the inspiration and aspiration to have a limited, Constitutional, and representative Government of the People to work towards a more peaceful, prosoperous, and free future for All?

I'm not seeing it.

As a nation, we are devolving into what the Founders feared most - tyranny of the fickle mob.

What am I to do, peacefully, to help steer Our Government back towards the light of the beacon of the city on the hill?

That's a rhetorical question for which I don't have an answer, yet.
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2024, 12:36:00 pm »
Start by telling people the whole truth.
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2024, 12:49:50 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on July 14, 2024, 11:35:30 am
What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?

On the political spectrum, I fall into that grey area of conservatie Dem / liberal Repub.  I am a sailor without a ship to sail on.

Dems demagogue their opponents.
Repubs impune trust in election results.

Dems preach "good trouble"
Repubs preach "1776".

Both sides want to infringe upon my freedoms of choice.
Both sides want an over-reaching Government to make some choices for me, on my behalf.
Both sides want to do things that effect me, without asking me first.
Both sides want me to donate to them, but neither side wants to listen to me.

Where is the inspiration and aspiration to have a limited, Constitutional, and representative Government of the People to work towards a more peaceful, prosoperous, and free future for All?

I'm not seeing it.

As a nation, we are devolving into what the Founders feared most - tyranny of the fickle mob.

What am I to do, peacefully, to help steer Our Government back towards the light of the beacon of the city on the hill?

That's a rhetorical question for which I don't have an answer, yet.

You refuse to acknowledge the Founding Fathers' intentions:
1.  Small government
2.  Liberty
3.  Right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

The Democrat Party is opposed to LIFE which begins at conception.  They promote savage butchery of unborn babies without fathers' approval.  It is a violation of the "RIGHT TO LIFE" of every unique human being, at conception. 

Before you were conceived in the womb, I knew you. - Holy Bible

Democrats are socialists.  They divide Americans by race and social status and you boast about being "divided"?
It's not even close. 
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2024, 10:08:44 am »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on July 14, 2024, 11:35:30 am
What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?

On the political spectrum, I fall into that grey area of conservatie Dem / liberal Repub.  I am a sailor without a ship to sail on.

Dems demagogue their opponents.
Repubs impune trust in election results.

Dems preach "good trouble"
Repubs preach "1776".

Both sides want to infringe upon my freedoms of choice.
Both sides want an over-reaching Government to make some choices for me, on my behalf.
Both sides want to do things that effect me, without asking me first.
Both sides want me to donate to them, but neither side wants to listen to me.

Where is the inspiration and aspiration to have a limited, Constitutional, and representative Government of the People to work towards a more peaceful, prosoperous, and free future for All?

I'm not seeing it.

As a nation, we are devolving into what the Founders feared most - tyranny of the fickle mob.

What am I to do, peacefully, to help steer Our Government back towards the light of the beacon of the city on the hill?

That's a rhetorical question for which I don't have an answer, yet.

My political beliefs were formed from the likes of Milton Friedman, Barry Goldwater, Murray Rothbard, ect. I was a huge Barry Goldwater fan in my younger years. My favorite president is Calvin Coolidge

My first election was for Ronald Reagan in 1984. Was not quite old enough in 1980 to vote for him

I support a strong dollar, limited government in peoples personal lives and businesses, and it would be nice if the federal government would have a budget again

I’m fairly libertarian on social issues but that position has hardened somewhat as of late when I see the sexualization of children promoted by one particular major party


But to answer your question, there are some things in life you can’t do anything about, at least in the short term


Sometimes you just have to sit back and let the chips fall were they may.


Prayer helps. Along with faith.


I do believe that, eventually, the pendulum will swing again. We’re just gonna have to ride it out for a while


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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2024, 03:09:35 pm »
Vote 3rd party?
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2024, 04:55:53 am »
My vote is my stamp of approval of a candidate, their professed positions on the issues, and their track record (if any).

I am willing to withhold it, but I wish there was a formal way that voters could reject any and all candidates by voting "None of the Above", resulting in a new slate of candidates to choose from should that option win, mainly because withholding my vote from 'A' is seen as somehow approving (tacitly, at least) of 'B', when in reality I may well think both (or more) options are unacceptable.

It won't happen in my lifetime but I'd like to see the option, if for no other reason than the ability to cast a protest vote.
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2024, 01:19:07 pm »
"Both sides" are not equally wrong.  That trope is endlessly repeated by Democrats who don't have a leg to stand on.
They are pro-abortion, pro-crime and criminal coddling, pro-big government, pro-welfare, pro-10,000,000 illegals pouring through our southern border including tens of thousands of convicted criminals, murderers, rapists, drug traffickers, and communist Chinese agents.

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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2024, 03:02:13 pm »
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2024, 03:42:20 pm »
Quote from: ChemEngrMBA on July 14, 2024, 12:49:50 pm
You refuse to acknowledge the Founding Fathers' intentions:
1.  Small government
2.  Liberty
3.  Right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

The Democrat Party is opposed to LIFE .  .  .

And the Republican Party is opposed to small government.
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2024, 05:04:08 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on September 29, 2024, 03:42:20 pm
And the Republican Party is opposed to small government.

Not remotely as opposed to small government as tax and spend liberals   Can you say "socialized medicine"?
"Welfare state"?  "Six trillion in national debt added under Crooked Traitor and Crooked Whore Regime"?
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2024, 05:12:17 pm »
   BUT @ChemEngrMBA the Republican Party pretty much thwittled their thumbs (the one they didn't have up their azz) during this entire takeover, pretty much since Reagan.   

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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2024, 05:17:13 pm »
   Is GWB Patriots Act more Unconstitutional than Trump's Covid Era EO's?

   They all suck.
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2024, 05:42:22 pm »
Quote from: ChemEngrMBA on September 29, 2024, 01:19:07 pm
"Both sides" are not equally wrong.  That trope is endlessly repeated by Democrats who don't have a leg to stand on.
They are pro-abortion, pro-crime and criminal coddling, pro-big government, pro-welfare, pro-10,000,000 illegals pouring through our southern border including tens of thousands of convicted criminals, murderers, rapists, drug traffickers, and communist Chinese agents.

That 10,000,000 was as of 2023 ..... not counting the got aways and those entering since ....



https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_9d841124-7449-11ee-af4a-af115ad29337.html
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2024, 05:47:40 pm »
Quote from: corbe on September 29, 2024, 05:17:13 pm
   Is GWB Patriots Act more Unconstitutional than Trump's Covid Era EO's?

   They all suck.

Why don't you vote for Kamala Harris then?  "220,000,000 Americans were killed by Covid-19."  She repeated it in two public appearances.

As attorney general of California, she refused to prosecute 1100 Catholic homosexual priests who molested choir boys.
As attorney general of California, she made more idiotic decisions than I could possibly print in a page.

Vote for her!  NO DIFFERENCE. :chairbang:
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2024, 05:50:39 pm »
   Thank You for your suggestion @ChemEngrMBA but I held my nose and voted for McStain, that is the last Presidential vote that the GOP got out of me.
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2024, 06:01:43 pm »
I am going to take a stab at the question posed in the title.

People are faced with crappy decisions many times every day.  They usually go with what sucks least.
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2024, 07:28:20 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on September 29, 2024, 06:01:43 pm
I am going to take a stab at the question posed in the title.

People are faced with crappy decisions many times every day.  They usually go with what sucks least.

Figuratively and literally, that clearly would NOT be Kamala Harris.  She got her start in politics by sucking, and has continued without the slightest pause.  Anyone voting for her has bloody hands.
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2024, 07:54:27 pm »
       
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2024, 07:07:15 am »
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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2024, 01:15:46 pm »
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2024, 01:25:33 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on July 14, 2024, 11:35:30 am

"Repubs impune trust in election results."



So kindly explain after reading a few hundred early a.m.  posts of TBR's 2020's election thread of HOW the election was not stolen?

Your premise is bullshit.

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,418946.700.html

Anxiously waiting for your response.
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2024, 03:12:19 pm »
I will support the party who supports this country and the Constitution.

It is called patriotism and those opposed to that support wish the destruction of what the Founders built, the best in the world.

It is a no-brainer that Dems wish to destroy us.
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2024, 03:29:23 pm »
Split the difference - divided Government.
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2024, 04:35:21 pm »
If you have children, raise them right. If anyone is going to have a chance of righting this ship it will not be in our lifetimes.

If you don't, and can't have them... you're in the same boat I'm in. And quite frankly the future is bleak.

To watch the fall of the west and be completely hopeless to stop it or even slow it down is the worst feeling in the world.
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Re: What are voters to do when both sides are wrong?
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2024, 05:10:50 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on September 30, 2024, 03:29:23 pm
Split the difference - divided Government.

That way we can lock in all the gains the leftists have make against the Country.  Good plan.
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