Fauci: More People in Red States Died from COVID Because of ‘Political Ideology’

[banddag]

You all will never believe the stats. Blind partisanship.

Every month more article are coming out showing unvaccinated had  a greater death count, not just in the US but every country in the world.

There are conservatives who are now coming around though and changing their tune. Slim amount but growing.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/severe-covid-19-death-lowest-far-among-vaccinated-canadians


North Dakota:  unvacinated 12x greater death Far from a,liberal state

https://www.kxnet.com/news/nd-doh-data-unvaccinated-people-hospitalized-for-covid-19-at-12x-the-rate-of-vaccinated/

South Dakota  far cfrm aliberal state  '"Most deaths are among the unvaccinated"

https://www.sdpb.org/blogs/news-and-information/state-sees-most-hospitalizations-since-last-winter/

[Kamaji]

You all will never believe the stats. Blind partisanship.

Every month more article are coming out showing unvaccinated had  a greater death count, not just in the US but every country in the world.

There are conservatives who are now coming around though and changing their tune. Slim amount but growing.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/severe-covid-19-death-lowest-far-among-vaccinated-canadians

And where are the statistics on those who've been harmed by unnecessary vaccines?  Single-entry bookkeeping is so f**king typical for fascist leftists like you.

[Hoodat]

You all will never believe the stats. Blind partisanship.

Au contraire.  I do believe the stats.  And the stats do not support the claim you are making.  Read them yourself.  There's a pretty little chart.  Check out the left axis.  They use the same population group.  Or are you blind?

You all will never believe the stats. Blind partisanship.

Every month more article are coming out showing unvaccinated had  a greater death count, not just in the US but every country in the world.

There are conservatives who are now coming around though and changing their tune. Slim amount but growing.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/severe-covid-19-death-lowest-far-among-vaccinated-canadians

Cases in Canada spiked dramatically in Jan-Feb 2022, many months after the 'vaccine'[sic] program had been initiated.  Your source above narrows in on one span in 2021 while ignoring any long term affects.  To put it bluntly, it is complete bullshit.  But hey, since when have you ever cared on what the statistics actually show?  Maybe you can explain how all those deaths in 2022 among 'vaccinated' [sic] Canadians shouldn't be counted.

[banddag]

And where are the statistics on those who've been harmed by unnecessary vaccines?  Single-entry bookkeeping is so f**king typical for fascist leftists like you.

The vaccines did cause some deaths and injuries. All vaccines do. Polio vaccine killed people and hurt many people. The vaccines helped more than hurt.

I love it when some old geezer says my 83 year old wife had a stroke 6 months after the damn clot shot. Spouting off without any evidence. No you old geezer, your wife was 82 and was probably  going to have a stroke anyway.

Just like on FR, every single death of an celebrity or a famous athlete below age 95 is caused by the clot shot when i most cases after a few weeks it comes back as a suicide or drug overdose.

[Kamaji]

The vaccines did cause some deaths and injuries. All vaccines do. Polio vaccine killed people and hurt many people. The vaccines helped more than hurt.

I love it when some old geezer says my 83 year old wife had a stroke 6 months after the damn clot shot. Spouting off without any evidence. No you old geezer, your wife was 82 and was probably  going to have a stroke anyway.

Just like on FR, every single death of an celebrity or a famous athlete below age 95 is caused by the clot shot when i most cases after a few weeks it comes back as a suicide or drug overdose.

And yet, like all fascist leftists, you prefer to focus on the alleged "benefits" of the vaccines to justify forcing those vaccines on everyone.  GFY you repulsive fascist.

On top of which, COVID was not anything like polio, or any other actual serious disease.  COVID 19 was nothing more than a nastier-than-usual flu, and should have been treated that way.  But no, fascists like you managed to lie about it and turn it into something it never was.

[Hoodat]

North Dakota:  unvacinated 12x greater death Far from a,liberal state

https://www.kxnet.com/news/nd-doh-data-unvaccinated-people-hospitalized-for-covid-19-at-12x-the-rate-of-vaccinated/

From your link (which you clearly did not bother to read):

Njau says from January to July 9 this year, there have been 707 people who were not vaccinated hospitalized for COVID-19. During that same period, 57 who had been vaccinated were hospitalized for the virus. In other words, those unvaccinated were about 12 times more likely to be hospitalized.

Exact same population group, as was pointed out to you earlier.  With unvaccinated people making up a much larger portion of that population, it is only natural that a larger portion of those being hospitalized being among that group.

Incidentally, North Dakota's vaccine rollout to the general population began on March 29, 2021.  So anyone hospitalized before that date would be included in that 707 number.  But hey, why waste time looking at stats when some fellow DU poster handed you off some spiffy links to post?

[roamer_1]

And yet, like all fascist leftists, you prefer to focus on the alleged "benefits" of the vaccines to justify forcing those vaccines on everyone.  GFY you repulsive fascist.

That's about right. I don't give a single f*** that it's 'for my own good' Or that it 'turned out to be right' - None of which I believe. But all that is aside.

What is on point is that they tried to make me do it. They tried to force me into taking that shit.
I don't care about the benefits.
It's the force that's the problem.
Even when it's 'for your own good'...
Which is never true.

[banddag]

  Maybe you can explain how all those deaths in 2022 among 'vaccinated' [sic] Canadians shouldn't be counted.

Same as the US and everywhere else. Most who died of covid and were vaccinated had multiple comorbidities, very ill or very old.  Science admits to that. The vaccine cannot help everyone. Covid deaths among vaccinated went up because  a greater amount of population  were vaccinated. A certain amount of th population are in ill health and no vaccine will help them.

Every state publishes their covid deaths from day 1 to the present and give the stats who was vaccinated or not. Nearly all show unvaccinated at a greater death rate or a higher hospitalization rate

I listened to  my doctor as to take the vac or not. I do  not take medical advice from anon posters on the internet who are retired security guards or waitreses who have watched a handful of your tube videos and suddenly are an expert in infectious diseases.

Don't want the shot? Good don't take it.

[Hoodat]

South Dakota  far cfrm aliberal state  '"Most deaths are among the unvaccinated"

https://www.sdpb.org/blogs/news-and-information/state-sees-most-hospitalizations-since-last-winter/

From your other link (which you also clearly did not bother to read):

There are nice charts presented here.  But there is no chart linking 'vaccination' [sic] status with hospitalization status.  The statistics simply aren't there.

We have:

South Dakotans currently infected with COVID

% Of Eligible Pop. Fully Vaccinated

Currently hospitalized with COVID in South Dakota

But we don't have the critical stat - 'How many people currently hospitalized have been 'vaccinated' [sic]?

[Hoodat]

And yet, like all fascist leftists, you prefer to focus on the alleged "benefits" of the vaccines to justify forcing those vaccines on everyone.  GFY you repulsive fascist.

Don't hold back, @Kamaji .  Tell us how you really feel.

[roamer_1]

Every state publishes their covid deaths from day 1 to the present and give the stats who was vaccinated or not. Nearly all show unvaccinated at a greater death rate or a higher hospitalization rate

OF COURSE. With effective antiviral medicines outlawed, folks who were not treated by those effective antiviral agents died in droves.

I listened to  my doctor as to take the vac or not.

Oh bullshit. Bonafied, accredited doctors led the charge against the jab.

[Lando Lincoln]

Don't hold back, @Kamaji .  Tell us how you really feel.

I think @Kamaji is emerging from his shell. Just a vibe.

[banddag]

With unvaccinated people making up a much larger portion of that population, it is only natural that a larger portion of those being hospitalized being among that group.

In the article it said after the vaccination program, covid deaths dropped a huge amount.


Depending on the state approc 60-70-80% of the US population has been vaccinated with at least one shot or two.
Like I said, don't take the shot if you do not want it.

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/

[Bigun]

IF I gave a single shit about conversing with trolls, I would point out that there is a HUGE difference between dying OF Covid than dying WITH Covid.

[Hoodat]

Most people who died of gunshot wounds between Jan-Jun 2021 were not wearing high heels.  Therefore, people not wearing high heels were several times more likely to die from gunshot wounds than those who received the high heel shoe vaccine.


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T H I S is the argument that is being presented here.

[Kamaji]

IF I gave a single shit about conversing with trolls, I would point out that there is a HUGE difference between dying OF Covid than dying WITH Covid.

Yup.  But leftists/fascists don't care, if it advances their agenda.

[Hoodat]

In the article it said after the vaccination program, covid deaths dropped a huge amount.

See:  Logical fallacies - Post Hoc argument

[Bigun]

I think @Kamaji is emerging from his shell. Just a vibe.

I think @Kamaji enjoys about the same tolerance level for commie trolls I do. Just a vibe.

[roamer_1]

Most people who died of gunshot wounds between Jan-Jun 2021 were not wearing high heels.  Therefore, people not wearing high heels were several times more likely to die from gunshot wounds than those who received the high heel shoe vaccine.


↑ ↑ ↑ ↑
T H I S is the argument that is being presented here.

 
That's right 

[Kamaji]

I think @Kamaji enjoys about the same tolerance level for commie trolls I do. Just a vibe.

[roamer_1]

I think @Kamaji is emerging from his shell. Just a vibe.

RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!

 

[banddag]

  GFY you repulsive fascist.

How am I a fascist? I said multiple times I do not care  whether someone is vaccinated or not.

Fascist, commie trolls lol. When people are losing an argument out come the insults and such.

[Hoodat]

How am I a fascist? I said multiple times I do not care  whether someone is vaccinated or not.

Fascist, commie trolls lol. When people are losing an argument out come the insults and such.

Typically, when some left-winger shows up here making claims that are not supported by facts, we assume they are pushing some sort of agenda.

I personally like to give them the benefit of doubt by exposing the fallacy of their claims just to see if 'truth' matters to them, hoping that once truth is revealed to them that they would reassess their position and determine that maybe perhaps the claim they were pushing lacked validity.  But clearly, that hasn't happened to you.  On several topics already, you have been shown 'truths' that have clearly contradicted your positions.  Yet not once have you acknowledged them.  Not once.

Case in point:  Hydrogen tanks.  A strong case has been made in favor of hydrogen tanks over batteries as a means of storing electricity.  Yet you simply can't come to grips with anything that upsets the emotional stake you have placed on your position.  You will defend battery subsidies to the very last bankrupt end before you would admit that hydrogen tanks provide the superior option.  Because your emotions just couldn't handle forfeiting the high emotional cost you have already vested in your adopted position.  A position 100% derived from you wanting it to be true rather than whether it actually is true.

Same with the Covid jab.  You completely ignore the high rates of Covid infection among the jabbed, the shedding of that virus infecting others, and the fatal side effects of the jab itself.  Your emotions will not allow 'truth' to get in the way of how you 'feel' about things.

[LMAO]

Most people who died of gunshot wounds between Jan-Jun 2021 were not wearing high heels.  Therefore, people not wearing high heels were several times more likely to die from gunshot wounds than those who received the high heel shoe vaccine.

Good news for Sam Brinton and Racheal Levine

[banddag]

Typically, when some left-winger shows up here making claims that are not supported by facts, we assume they are pushing some sort of agenda.

I personally like to give them the benefit of doubt by exposing the fallacy of their claims just to see if 'truth' matters to them, hoping that once truth is revealed to them that they would reassess their position and determine that maybe perhaps the claim they were pushing lacked validity.  But clearly, that hasn't happened to you.  On several topics already, you have been shown 'truths' that have clearly contradicted your positions.  Yet not once have you acknowledged them.  Not once.

Case in point:  Hydrogen tanks.  A strong case has been made in favor of hydrogen tanks over batteries as a means of storing electricity.  Yet you simply can't come to grips with anything that upsets the emotional stake you have placed on your position.  You will defend battery subsidies to the very last bankrupt end before you would admit that hydrogen tanks provide the superior option.  Because your emotions just couldn't handle forfeiting the high emotional cost you have already vested in your adopted position.  A position 100% derived from you wanting it to be true rather than whether it actually is true.

Same with the Covid jab.  You completely ignore the high rates of Covid infection among the jabbed, the shedding of that virus infecting others, and the fatal side effects of the jab itself.  Your emotions will not allow 'truth' to get in the way of how you 'feel' about things.

If hydrogen was viable the car companies would be pushing it. Hydrogen is unstable, hard to transport and the infrastructure cost is greater than gas. It is also made from petroleum which defeats the purpose of going green and takes a huge amount of electricity to produce Only a few models are out there and the sales are low. One of the selling points of ev's is home charging. Cannot do that with hydrogen.  Tesla was the number one selling car in 2023 in the entire world. . In the meantime you will see more hybrids than eventually all EV  for most vehicles though gas and diesel will be around for decades to come

[roamer_1]

If hydrogen was viable the car companies would be pushing it.

Oh bullcrap. GM had a deal with Shell for hydrogen distribution. GM was developing a hydrogen car. Dubya's bailout stipulated that they abandon it.

And in the mean time, big automakers are being muscled by the government into producing electric cars that NOBODY WANTS.

Hydrogen is unstable, hard to transport and the infrastructure cost is greater than gas. It is also made from petroleum which defeats the purpose of going green and takes a huge amount of electricity to produce Only a few models are out there and the sales are low. One of the selling points of ev's is home charging. Cannot do that with hydrogen.  Tesla was the number one selling car in 2023 in the entire world. . In the meantime you will see more hybrids than eventually all EV  for most vehicles though gas and diesel will be around for decades to come

Batteries are unstable and unpredictable and are made from metals and minerals that are increasingly under pressure. There ain't enough cobalt to power England alone, not to mention the rest of the world.

Doubtful that EV will overtake other fuels. They don't work anywhere but in the cities.

[Kamaji]

Hydrogen is not a viable fuel, just as EVs are not a viable replacement for the U.S. transportation fleet.  EVs make sense in a few limited use cases, such as short-distance commuting or taxi fleets in urban areas, but beyond that, they are an environmental disaster in the waiting.

[roamer_1]

Hydrogen is not a viable fuel, just as EVs are not a viable replacement for the U.S. transportation fleet.  EVs make sense in a few limited use cases, such as short-distance commuting or taxi fleets in urban areas, but beyond that, they are an environmental disaster in the waiting.

Let me be clear about it:

I am not against adoption, in the same light as battery operated tools overtaking corded ones...
That has happened. Organically.
Nobody had to push anything. Nobody had to bend regulations to favor any one market over another.
It just happened.

I'm alright with that.

There is also a push going on now in lawn mowers and lawn tools - String trimmers and such - Which is largely an extension of the first argument: Battery tools suffice, and in some ways excel beyond their corded brothers. Likewise battery string trimmers and leaf blowers are taking market from their two-stroke brothers, and electric lawn mowers are making strides against gas powered machines.

If those things happen without any need for liberty sacrificing controls, then so be it.

That is not what is happening in automotive circles. Or big ag, or shipping sectors.
This is government forcing inferior products into the lead in those markets with the full weight of government.

Any time the government picks the winners, it turns out poorly.

[DB]

If you look at the total death rate month by month from 2020 through 2022 you will see the any cause death rate was higher after the "vaccine" was available than before it during the COVID years.

How deaths are classified heavily skews the statistics. Garbage data in, garbage data out.

The overall death rate regardless of cause can't be hidden by how those deaths are classified. If the vaccine worked, the overall death rate should have plunged after its introduction. It didn't. That fact indicates that it either didn't work or killed more people than it saved or some mix of that.

[Kamaji]

Let me be clear about it:

I am not against adoption, in the same light as battery operated tools overtaking corded ones...
That has happened. Organically.
Nobody had to push anything. Nobody had to bend regulations to favor any one market over another.
It just happened.

I'm alright with that.

There is also a push going on now in lawn mowers and lawn tools - String trimmers and such - Which is largely an extension of the first argument: Battery tools suffice, and in some ways excel beyond their corded brothers. Likewise battery string trimmers and leaf blowers are taking market from their two-stroke brothers, and electric lawn mowers are making strides against gas powered machines.

If those things happen without any need for liberty sacrificing controls, then so be it.

That is not what is happening in automotive circles. Or big ag, or shipping sectors.
This is government forcing inferior products into the lead in those markets with the full weight of government.

Any time the government picks the winners, it turns out poorly.

Fair enough, and on that I am in full agreement with you.  Let the market and marketplace participants choose what works best for each of them.  That is why ICE originally triumphed over EVs back in the 1800s - because markets prevailed.

[roamer_1]

Fair enough, and on that I am in full agreement with you.  Let the market and marketplace participants choose what works best for each of them.  That is why ICE originally triumphed over EVs back in the 1800s - because markets prevailed.

 

[banddag]

Fair enough, and on that I am in full agreement with you.  Let the market and marketplace participants choose what works best for each of them.  That is why ICE originally triumphed over EVs back in the 1800s - because markets prevailed.

Gas won out because vast majority  of the country had no electricity back then other than the big cities. Rural General stores already carried kerosene and just changed it to gas. Gas could be carried by horse and buggy from location to location. The most rural and desolate area of the country could get gas.

Rural farms in my area did not get electric until the 1930's. In 1930 only one of ten farms in the US had electric. FDR electrification act of 1933 increased that to 85% by 1945

[Kamaji]

Gas won out because vast majority  of the country had no electricity back then other than the big cities. Rural General stores already carried kerosene and just changed it to gas. Gas could be carried by horse and buggy from location to location. The most rural and desolate area of the country could get gas.

Rural farms in my area did not get electric until the 1930's.

Because gas was a better solution.  If EV is better now, then it will prevail in the market.  If it cannot, then by definition it is not the better solution.  By definition.

[banddag]

Because gas was a better solution.  If EV is better now, then it will prevail in the market.  If it cannot, then by definition it is not the better solution.  By definition.

Ev's will prevail.  Prices are coming down each year, range is increasing, more charging station each year, fast charging times. All the hick,ups are being fixed.
Tesla Y was the #1 selling car in the world in 2023.
A large national gas station chain near me is installing 12-15 chargers right now and I live in a town of 5000

[Kamaji]

Ev's will prevail.  Prices are coming down each year, range is increasing, more charging station each year, fast charging times. All the hick,ups are being fixed.
Tesla Y was the #1 selling car in the world in 2023.
A large national gas station chain near me is installing 12-15 chargers right now and I live in a town of 5000

Maybe they will.  Maybe they won't.  But if they're so great, then why is the government putting such a heavy thumb on that side of the scale?  If they're so great, no subsidies should be needed.  Right now, if the subsidies stopped, no more than a 1,000 EVs a year would be sold.

[banddag]

Maybe they will.  Maybe they won't.  But if they're so great, then why is the government putting such a heavy thumb on that side of the scale?  If they're so great, no subsidies should be needed.  Right now, if the subsidies stopped, no more than a 1,000 EVs a year would be sold.

We have to subsidized ev's because China, SK and Vietnam are heavily subsidizing there ev industry. If we do not we will be left behind  in technology

[roamer_1]

Gas won out because vast majority  of the country had no electricity back then other than the big cities. Rural General stores already carried kerosene and just changed it to gas. Gas could be carried by horse and buggy from location to location. The most rural and desolate area of the country could get gas.

Rural farms in my area did not get electric until the 1930's. In 1930 only one of ten farms in the US had electric. FDR electrification act of 1933 increased that to 85% by 1945

Well guess what Scooter: It's STILL that way up in here. Electricity is unreliable. And it's that way across a whole lot of this country.

[DB]

@banddag

A reality check:


http://youtu.be/5YJ7pq_BBtQ

[Lando Lincoln]

Well guess what Scooter: It's STILL that way up in here. Electricity is unreliable. And it's that way across a whole lot of this country.

I have grown weary of my unreliable power and have just installed a 22kW back-up generator. In fact, it will be test run this week. I did not install a solar array. Nope, an LP gen set.

A baby whale is crying somewhere.

[Bigun]

I have grown weary of my unreliable power and have just installed a 22kW back-up generator. In fact, it will be test run this week. I did not install a solar array. Nope, an LP gen set.

A baby whale is crying somewhere.

 

[roamer_1]

I have grown weary of my unreliable power and have just installed a 22kW back-up generator. In fact, it will be test run this week. I did not install a solar array. Nope, an LP gen set.

A baby whale is crying somewhere.

Ain't anybody more than a mile outside of town that don't own a jenny. And there ain't any of them that ain't used that jenny in the last two winters, at least for one extended period...

City folks live in la-la land. 

[Hoodat]

If hydrogen was viable the car companies would be pushing it.

If batteries were viable, the government wouldn't be subsidizing it.  That also goes for EVs in general.

Hydrogen is unstable, hard to transport and the infrastructure cost is greater than gas.

Hydrogen is stable, doesn't need to be transported except via the tank it is stored in, and the infrastructure is already in place.

It is also made from petroleum which defeats the purpose of going green

In other words, petroleum itself defeats the purpose of going green.

and takes a huge amount of electricity to produce

'Or' is the proper conjunction here.  You either produce it by reforming methane (the cheaper way), or you produce it by electrolysis which consumes electricity.  Coincidentally the same amount of electricity it takes to charge a battery under ideal conditions.  Go figure.

For the umpteenth time, hydrogen is a way of storing electricity.  For someone so expert in EVs, I can't understand why this simple concept continues to escape you.

One of the selling points of ev's is home charging. Cannot do that with hydrogen.

Are you sure about that?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIWgzVaGn4Y


So again, why should US taxpayers be subsidizing the Chinese battery industry when hydrogen tanks are cheaper, have longer range, and are better for the environment?

[Hoodat]

@roamer_1

The video above is for you.

[Hoodat]

We have to subsidized ev's because China, SK and Vietnam are heavily subsidizing there ev industry. If we do not we will be left behind  in technology

This has to be the most asinine argument for subsidies that I have ever heard.  Let's say for a moment you are right, that China for the first time since Mao's first day in office defied the foundation of their entire economic system by coming up with some sort of technological innovation.  So what?  China develops a better battery, and they end up selling it to the US.  How is this any different than us coming up with the innovation, China stealing it, then China selling us the batteries?
 

[cato potatoe]

Don't want the shot? Good don't take it.

That's a reasonable enough.  Unfortunately the left compelled millions of people to take the shot when the vast majority of working age adults bore minute risk of serious COVID-19 illness.  It damaged the state's ability to respond to future pandemics. 

[Hoodat]

I lost my offshore platform gig because I refused the jab.

[Lando Lincoln]

I lost my offshore platform gig because I refused the jab.

I received the shot. Two of them. I am now retired but I was in Executive Management with two industrial profit centers reporting to me during the height of the chaos. When the shot became available, we had a heavy handed CEO who demanded we get vaccinated. One of those “or else” dictates. I’m more angry about it now than I was then.

[Bigun]

I received the shot. Two of them. I am now retired but I was in Executive Management with two industrial profit centers reporting to me during the height of the chaos. When the shot became available, we had a heavy handed CEO who demanded we get vaccinated. One of those “or else” dictates. I’m more angry about it now than I was then.

Exactly how they killed my daughter.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

The video above is for you.

That's cute. You realize how cool that would be to pair up with a low-voltage solar system, right? 

[Lando Lincoln]

Exactly how they killed my daughter.

I’m so incredibly sorry, my friend.

I can say, my stress was off the chart.