Fauci: More People in Red States Died from COVID Because of ‘Political Ideology’

[roamer_1]

If hydrogen was viable the car companies would be pushing it.

Oh bullcrap. GM had a deal with Shell for hydrogen distribution. GM was developing a hydrogen car. Dubya's bailout stipulated that they abandon it.

And in the mean time, big automakers are being muscled by the government into producing electric cars that NOBODY WANTS.

Hydrogen is unstable, hard to transport and the infrastructure cost is greater than gas. It is also made from petroleum which defeats the purpose of going green and takes a huge amount of electricity to produce Only a few models are out there and the sales are low. One of the selling points of ev's is home charging. Cannot do that with hydrogen.  Tesla was the number one selling car in 2023 in the entire world. . In the meantime you will see more hybrids than eventually all EV  for most vehicles though gas and diesel will be around for decades to come

Batteries are unstable and unpredictable and are made from metals and minerals that are increasingly under pressure. There ain't enough cobalt to power England alone, not to mention the rest of the world.

Doubtful that EV will overtake other fuels. They don't work anywhere but in the cities.

[Kamaji]

Hydrogen is not a viable fuel, just as EVs are not a viable replacement for the U.S. transportation fleet.  EVs make sense in a few limited use cases, such as short-distance commuting or taxi fleets in urban areas, but beyond that, they are an environmental disaster in the waiting.

[roamer_1]

Hydrogen is not a viable fuel, just as EVs are not a viable replacement for the U.S. transportation fleet.  EVs make sense in a few limited use cases, such as short-distance commuting or taxi fleets in urban areas, but beyond that, they are an environmental disaster in the waiting.

Let me be clear about it:

I am not against adoption, in the same light as battery operated tools overtaking corded ones...
That has happened. Organically.
Nobody had to push anything. Nobody had to bend regulations to favor any one market over another.
It just happened.

I'm alright with that.

There is also a push going on now in lawn mowers and lawn tools - String trimmers and such - Which is largely an extension of the first argument: Battery tools suffice, and in some ways excel beyond their corded brothers. Likewise battery string trimmers and leaf blowers are taking market from their two-stroke brothers, and electric lawn mowers are making strides against gas powered machines.

If those things happen without any need for liberty sacrificing controls, then so be it.

That is not what is happening in automotive circles. Or big ag, or shipping sectors.
This is government forcing inferior products into the lead in those markets with the full weight of government.

Any time the government picks the winners, it turns out poorly.

[DB]

If you look at the total death rate month by month from 2020 through 2022 you will see the any cause death rate was higher after the "vaccine" was available than before it during the COVID years.

How deaths are classified heavily skews the statistics. Garbage data in, garbage data out.

The overall death rate regardless of cause can't be hidden by how those deaths are classified. If the vaccine worked, the overall death rate should have plunged after its introduction. It didn't. That fact indicates that it either didn't work or killed more people than it saved or some mix of that.

[Kamaji]

Let me be clear about it:

I am not against adoption, in the same light as battery operated tools overtaking corded ones...
That has happened. Organically.
Nobody had to push anything. Nobody had to bend regulations to favor any one market over another.
It just happened.

I'm alright with that.

There is also a push going on now in lawn mowers and lawn tools - String trimmers and such - Which is largely an extension of the first argument: Battery tools suffice, and in some ways excel beyond their corded brothers. Likewise battery string trimmers and leaf blowers are taking market from their two-stroke brothers, and electric lawn mowers are making strides against gas powered machines.

If those things happen without any need for liberty sacrificing controls, then so be it.

That is not what is happening in automotive circles. Or big ag, or shipping sectors.
This is government forcing inferior products into the lead in those markets with the full weight of government.

Any time the government picks the winners, it turns out poorly.

Fair enough, and on that I am in full agreement with you.  Let the market and marketplace participants choose what works best for each of them.  That is why ICE originally triumphed over EVs back in the 1800s - because markets prevailed.

[roamer_1]

Fair enough, and on that I am in full agreement with you.  Let the market and marketplace participants choose what works best for each of them.  That is why ICE originally triumphed over EVs back in the 1800s - because markets prevailed.

 

[banddag]

Fair enough, and on that I am in full agreement with you.  Let the market and marketplace participants choose what works best for each of them.  That is why ICE originally triumphed over EVs back in the 1800s - because markets prevailed.

Gas won out because vast majority  of the country had no electricity back then other than the big cities. Rural General stores already carried kerosene and just changed it to gas. Gas could be carried by horse and buggy from location to location. The most rural and desolate area of the country could get gas.

Rural farms in my area did not get electric until the 1930's. In 1930 only one of ten farms in the US had electric. FDR electrification act of 1933 increased that to 85% by 1945

[Kamaji]

Gas won out because vast majority  of the country had no electricity back then other than the big cities. Rural General stores already carried kerosene and just changed it to gas. Gas could be carried by horse and buggy from location to location. The most rural and desolate area of the country could get gas.

Rural farms in my area did not get electric until the 1930's.

Because gas was a better solution.  If EV is better now, then it will prevail in the market.  If it cannot, then by definition it is not the better solution.  By definition.

[banddag]

Because gas was a better solution.  If EV is better now, then it will prevail in the market.  If it cannot, then by definition it is not the better solution.  By definition.

Ev's will prevail.  Prices are coming down each year, range is increasing, more charging station each year, fast charging times. All the hick,ups are being fixed.
Tesla Y was the #1 selling car in the world in 2023.
A large national gas station chain near me is installing 12-15 chargers right now and I live in a town of 5000

[Kamaji]

Ev's will prevail.  Prices are coming down each year, range is increasing, more charging station each year, fast charging times. All the hick,ups are being fixed.
Tesla Y was the #1 selling car in the world in 2023.
A large national gas station chain near me is installing 12-15 chargers right now and I live in a town of 5000

Maybe they will.  Maybe they won't.  But if they're so great, then why is the government putting such a heavy thumb on that side of the scale?  If they're so great, no subsidies should be needed.  Right now, if the subsidies stopped, no more than a 1,000 EVs a year would be sold.

[banddag]

Maybe they will.  Maybe they won't.  But if they're so great, then why is the government putting such a heavy thumb on that side of the scale?  If they're so great, no subsidies should be needed.  Right now, if the subsidies stopped, no more than a 1,000 EVs a year would be sold.

We have to subsidized ev's because China, SK and Vietnam are heavily subsidizing there ev industry. If we do not we will be left behind  in technology

[roamer_1]

Gas won out because vast majority  of the country had no electricity back then other than the big cities. Rural General stores already carried kerosene and just changed it to gas. Gas could be carried by horse and buggy from location to location. The most rural and desolate area of the country could get gas.

Rural farms in my area did not get electric until the 1930's. In 1930 only one of ten farms in the US had electric. FDR electrification act of 1933 increased that to 85% by 1945

Well guess what Scooter: It's STILL that way up in here. Electricity is unreliable. And it's that way across a whole lot of this country.

[DB]

@banddag

A reality check:


http://youtu.be/5YJ7pq_BBtQ

[Lando Lincoln]

Well guess what Scooter: It's STILL that way up in here. Electricity is unreliable. And it's that way across a whole lot of this country.

I have grown weary of my unreliable power and have just installed a 22kW back-up generator. In fact, it will be test run this week. I did not install a solar array. Nope, an LP gen set.

A baby whale is crying somewhere.

[Bigun]

I have grown weary of my unreliable power and have just installed a 22kW back-up generator. In fact, it will be test run this week. I did not install a solar array. Nope, an LP gen set.

A baby whale is crying somewhere.

 

[roamer_1]

I have grown weary of my unreliable power and have just installed a 22kW back-up generator. In fact, it will be test run this week. I did not install a solar array. Nope, an LP gen set.

A baby whale is crying somewhere.

Ain't anybody more than a mile outside of town that don't own a jenny. And there ain't any of them that ain't used that jenny in the last two winters, at least for one extended period...

City folks live in la-la land. 

[Hoodat]

If hydrogen was viable the car companies would be pushing it.

If batteries were viable, the government wouldn't be subsidizing it.  That also goes for EVs in general.

Hydrogen is unstable, hard to transport and the infrastructure cost is greater than gas.

Hydrogen is stable, doesn't need to be transported except via the tank it is stored in, and the infrastructure is already in place.

It is also made from petroleum which defeats the purpose of going green

In other words, petroleum itself defeats the purpose of going green.

and takes a huge amount of electricity to produce

'Or' is the proper conjunction here.  You either produce it by reforming methane (the cheaper way), or you produce it by electrolysis which consumes electricity.  Coincidentally the same amount of electricity it takes to charge a battery under ideal conditions.  Go figure.

For the umpteenth time, hydrogen is a way of storing electricity.  For someone so expert in EVs, I can't understand why this simple concept continues to escape you.

One of the selling points of ev's is home charging. Cannot do that with hydrogen.

Are you sure about that?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIWgzVaGn4Y


So again, why should US taxpayers be subsidizing the Chinese battery industry when hydrogen tanks are cheaper, have longer range, and are better for the environment?

[Hoodat]

@roamer_1

The video above is for you.

[Hoodat]

We have to subsidized ev's because China, SK and Vietnam are heavily subsidizing there ev industry. If we do not we will be left behind  in technology

This has to be the most asinine argument for subsidies that I have ever heard.  Let's say for a moment you are right, that China for the first time since Mao's first day in office defied the foundation of their entire economic system by coming up with some sort of technological innovation.  So what?  China develops a better battery, and they end up selling it to the US.  How is this any different than us coming up with the innovation, China stealing it, then China selling us the batteries?
 

[cato potatoe]

Don't want the shot? Good don't take it.

That's a reasonable enough.  Unfortunately the left compelled millions of people to take the shot when the vast majority of working age adults bore minute risk of serious COVID-19 illness.  It damaged the state's ability to respond to future pandemics. 

[Hoodat]

I lost my offshore platform gig because I refused the jab.

[Lando Lincoln]

I lost my offshore platform gig because I refused the jab.

I received the shot. Two of them. I am now retired but I was in Executive Management with two industrial profit centers reporting to me during the height of the chaos. When the shot became available, we had a heavy handed CEO who demanded we get vaccinated. One of those “or else” dictates. I’m more angry about it now than I was then.

[Bigun]

I received the shot. Two of them. I am now retired but I was in Executive Management with two industrial profit centers reporting to me during the height of the chaos. When the shot became available, we had a heavy handed CEO who demanded we get vaccinated. One of those “or else” dictates. I’m more angry about it now than I was then.

Exactly how they killed my daughter.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

The video above is for you.

That's cute. You realize how cool that would be to pair up with a low-voltage solar system, right? 

[Lando Lincoln]

Exactly how they killed my daughter.

I’m so incredibly sorry, my friend.

I can say, my stress was off the chart.