Ukraine Payday: G7 to Agree $50-Billion Loan at Italy Summit

[Timber Rattler]

Biden was giving Z $$ almost immediate after he took office

You got proof of that assertion?

[Right_in_Virginia]

No she's not. She doesn't know doodley-squat about Russia, Ukraine, or Europe, much less Zelensky.

I know and understand more than your capacity to do either. 

[libertybele]

You got proof of that assertion?

As I mentioned, links to what I have posted have been provided awhile ago.  This info isn't anything new. 

[Timber Rattler]

I know and understand more than your capacity to do either.

 

[Timber Rattler]

As I mentioned, links to what I have posted have been provided awhile ago.  This info isn't anything new.

Or in other words, you have nothing to back up that statement.  Your info is false.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Rand Paul: "The amount of money going to Ukraine in this Bill is more than we spend on the entire Marine Corps." (Video)

https://x.com/ThrillaRilla369/status/1803214124169482522

[libertybele]

Or in other words, you have nothing to back up that statement.  Your info is false.

Bull.  Not going to wade through all my posts -- do your own research.

[Timber Rattler]

Bull.  Not going to wade through all my posts -- do your own research.

Doesn't work that way.  You made the assertion so it's YOUR job to back it up with your links when called out on it. 

[bigheadfred]

Sen. Lindsey Graham Says Ukraine War Is About Controlling Rare Earth Minerals

https://scnr.com/article/sen-lindsey-graham-says-ukraine-war-is-about-controlling-rare-earth-minerals_5a94389b273c11ef9c930242ac1c0002

[Timber Rattler]

Sen. Lindsey Graham Says Ukraine War Is About Controlling Rare Earth Minerals

https://scnr.com/article/sen-lindsey-graham-says-ukraine-war-is-about-controlling-rare-earth-minerals_5a94389b273c11ef9c930242ac1c0002

Well, he's not wrong, since (among other things) Putin also wants control of all of Ukraine's abundant natural resources, including rare earth minerals and natural gas, so that he can exert economic hegemony over Europe.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11

We have a country to save… and it’s not Ukraine.



10:29 AM · Jun 19, 2024

[libertybele]

Doesn't work that way.  You made the assertion so it's YOUR job to back it up with your links when called out on it.

Yes it does work that way.  I've posted the information in question several times and I'm not going to wade through over 58,000 of my posts to appease you.

Secondly, if you are implying that I am lying, I take deep offense to that!!!  If that's the case; kiss my royal grits!!

Thirdly, many times information especially if it leans conservatives gets sidelined or deleted by a wonderful entity called 'Google'. /s

[libertybele]

Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11

We have a country to save… and it’s not Ukraine.



10:29 AM · Jun 19, 2024

Amen!!! Amen and Amen!!!!

[Timber Rattler]

Yes it does work that way.

Nope, not at all.  You made the claim so it's up to you to prove it.

 

I've posted the information in question several times and I'm not going to wade through over 58,000 of my posts to appease you.

Weak.  If you can't find your own information then it's obvious that it doesn't exist, and that you're just blowing smoke.

Secondly, if you are implying that I am lying, I take deep offense to that!!!  If that's the case; kiss my royal grits!!

All I did was ask you to prove your claim that Biden was giving Zelensky money as soon as he was inaugurated by providing links to that information.  You can't do it, so what else are we to believe?

Thirdly, many times information especially if it leans conservatives gets sidelined or deleted by a wonderful entity called 'Google'. /s

Again, that's pretty weak sauce.  You obviously can't back up your claim and are just making excuses.

[libertybele]

Nope, not at all.  You made the claim so it's up to you to prove it.

 
Weak.  If you can't find your own information then it's obvious that it doesn't exist, and that you're just blowing smoke.

All I did was ask you to prove your claim that Biden was giving Zelensky money as soon as he was inaugurated by providing links to that information.  You can't do it.

Again, that's pretty weak sauce.  You obviously can't back up your claim and are just making excuses.

  

[libertybele]

@Timber Rattler  --

President Joe Biden said Wednesday he thinks Russia will invade Ukraine and warned President Vladimir Putin that his country would pay a “dear price” in lives lost and a possible cutoff from the global banking system if it does.

Biden, speaking at a news conference to mark his one-year anniversary in office, also said a “minor incursion” by Russia would elicit a lesser response. He later sought to clarify that he was referring to a non-military action, such as a cyberattack, that would be met with a similar reciprocal response, and that if Russian forces cross the Ukrainian border, killing Ukrainian fighters, “that changes everything.............Biden reiterated that he did not think that Putin has made a final decision on whether to invade, but speculated “my guess is he will move in.””

In FY 2021, the Department provided Ukraine $115 million in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) and $3 million in International Military Education and Training (IMET) funding.  Prior to Russia’s renewed invasion, FMF supported Ukraine’s acquisition of a wide array of capabilities including counter-mortar radars, secure radios, vehicles, electronic equipment, small arms and light weapons, and medical supplies, among others.

https://apnews.com/article/antony-blinken-jen-psaki-vladimir-putin-sergey-lavrov-congress-1df536e9a832830dc3bae2e89aef4116

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/06/08/us-russia-war-ukraine-military-defense/

https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/biden-administration-announces-125m-military-aid-package-ukraine-n1259254

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2021/03/01/us-announces-125-million-in-military-aid-for-ukraine/

https://www.defensepriorities.org/explainers/the-futility-of-us-military-aid-and-nato-aspirations-for-ukraine

[DB]

@Timber Rattler  --

President Joe Biden said Wednesday he thinks Russia will invade Ukraine and warned President Vladimir Putin that his country would pay a “dear price” in lives lost and a possible cutoff from the global banking system if it does.

Biden, speaking at a news conference to mark his one-year anniversary in office, also said a “minor incursion” by Russia would elicit a lesser response. He later sought to clarify that he was referring to a non-military action, such as a cyberattack, that would be met with a similar reciprocal response, and that if Russian forces cross the Ukrainian border, killing Ukrainian fighters, “that changes everything.............Biden reiterated that he did not think that Putin has made a final decision on whether to invade, but speculated “my guess is he will move in.””

In FY 2021, the Department provided Ukraine $115 million in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) and $3 million in International Military Education and Training (IMET) funding.  Prior to Russia’s renewed invasion, FMF supported Ukraine’s acquisition of a wide array of capabilities including counter-mortar radars, secure radios, vehicles, electronic equipment, small arms and light weapons, and medical supplies, among others.

https://apnews.com/article/antony-blinken-jen-psaki-vladimir-putin-sergey-lavrov-congress-1df536e9a832830dc3bae2e89aef4116

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/06/08/us-russia-war-ukraine-military-defense/

https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/biden-administration-announces-125m-military-aid-package-ukraine-n1259254

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2021/03/01/us-announces-125-million-in-military-aid-for-ukraine/

https://www.defensepriorities.org/explainers/the-futility-of-us-military-aid-and-nato-aspirations-for-ukraine

You do know Trump was arming Ukraine when he was in office. He was the first to provide actually useful weapons as I recall.

[libertybele]

You do know Trump was arming Ukraine when he was in office. He was the first to provide actually useful weapons as I recall.

??? Yes ..... However, I was talking about Biden's funding.  For that matter, the U.S. has bee providing assistance to Ukraine for quite awhile...just under Joe the funding to Ukraine has escalated right along with his prediction that Putin would escalate the war and gave Z assistance when he took office .....I've provided links, highlighted information ....I'm not going to continue to rehash this issue.  I'm done here.

(Just a note --these links are not from my original posts awhile ago on this issue).

[MeganC]

Corruption is pretty much a global issue as well as an issue within our own country. So if you want a yes or no answer, it all depends on what the corruption consists of and what your opinion agrees with. If only things were black and white and cut and dry.

With Biden as corrupt and weak as he is would that justify China attacking us?  How about Russia?  N. Korea?  What about the invasion at our border? Mexico is corrupt they are invading us, so would war be justified?

Just because Z took over doesn't mean that the slate was wiped clean and no further corruption has taken place Does that give Putin reason to escalate the war?  What was the immediate threat?

I gave several straight forward answers with some links, so let me make it even simpler for you; countries invading other countries have been going on since the beginning of time and the conflict between Russia and Ukraine has been on going. So, the invasions and annexations have been on going -- not just on Russia's part as I mentioned earlier.  There's even been 'rumor' (nothing documented by liberal means of course) of Ukrainian leaders killing their own people to fulfill an agenda and blaming it on the Russians. 

In short, IMHO in just referencing Russia and Ukraine, neither country is innocent. Since I was old enough to read, Russia has been the monster under the bed.  Much propaganda has been circulated and certainly there has also been earlier divisions of Ukraine.

The Balkan area itself has seen conflicts, divisions, as well for many decades.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-vladimir-putin-racial-injustice-serbia-kosovo-756fa71c7ab417115ee3521a95791ca7

https://balkaninsight.com/2024/02/23/two-years-on-balkan-states-remain-divided-over-ukraine-war/

https://www.snd-us.com/liberty/392-parallels-between-ukraine-and-ex-yugoslavia.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia%E2%80%93Ukraine_relations

That's a lot of effort you put in to dodging the question. Which I suppose is an answer that you affirm Russia's aggressions.

[Kamaji]

That's a lot of effort you put in to dodging the question. Which I suppose is an answer that you affirm Russia's aggressions.

Exactly.

[Timber Rattler]

@Timber Rattler  --
In FY 2021, the Department provided Ukraine $115 million in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) and $3 million in International Military Education and Training (IMET) funding.  Prior to Russia’s renewed invasion, FMF supported Ukraine’s acquisition of a wide array of capabilities including counter-mortar radars, secure radios, vehicles, electronic equipment, small arms and light weapons, and medical supplies, among others.

That's the best you can come up with?  Your claim was that Biden was sending Zelensky money as soon as he was inaugurated.  That's not what this is about though.  This is just a longstanding military assistance program that goes back to at least 2014, and was maintained during the Trump Administration. 

How U.S. Military Aid Has Helped Ukraine Since 2014

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/788874844/how-u-s-military-aid-has-helped-ukraine-since-2014

When he was still commander of the U.S. Army in Europe, Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges displayed a blue and yellow Ukrainian flag on his black backpack. The ribbon was a gift from an elderly woman who gave it to him during a joint military exercise in Ukraine.

Hodges, now retired, oversaw the expansion of U.S. military cooperation with Ukraine after 2014, when Russia seized Crimea and backed an armed insurgency in eastern Ukraine that has cost more than 13,000 lives. Since then, the United States has provided $1.5 billion in security assistance, including everything from Humvees and patrol boats to counterartillery radar and lethal weaponry such as Javelin antitank missiles.

"First and foremost, U.S. military aid represents a physical manifestation of American support, which is essential," Hodges told NPR in an interview. "No. 2, the actual capabilities have provided help: The Javelins provided a deterrent effect; the counterfire radar has helped save lives because of the early warning it provided."

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