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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #75 on: October 05, 2024, 05:57:56 pm »
Merged the TS Milton thread with the Discussion topic...if it goes Major Hurricane I can split the topics back.
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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #76 on: October 05, 2024, 06:11:43 pm »
The storm gets pulled north if it is stronger.  If it's weak, it trends to the south side of the cone and somewhat later.

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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #77 on: October 06, 2024, 09:38:37 am »
Tropical Storm Milton forms in Gulf of Mexico and could intensify to hurricane threatening Florida
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A storm system that was brewing in the Gulf of Mexico strengthened into Tropical Storm Milton on Saturday and forecasters warned it could intensify into a hurricane and slam into the west coast of Florida later this week.

Tropical Storm Milton was about 355 miles (565 kilometers) west-northwest of Progreso, Mexico, and about 845 miles (1,360 kilometers) west-southwest of Tampa, Florida, with maximum sustained winds of 50 mph (80 kph) while heading east at 5 mph (8 kph), the National Hurricane Center in Miami said early Sunday.
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"Milton moving slowly but expected to strengthen rapidly," the center said, noting a "risk of life-threatening impacts increasing for portions of the Florida west coast." ...

The storm is forecast to strengthen and bring the risk of life-threatening impacts to parts of Florida, with hurricane and storm-surge watches likely in effect from Sunday. Parts of the state are expected to have heavy rainfall beginning that day, threatening flash, urban, and areal flooding, along with some river flooding.

"There is an increasing risk of life-threatening storm surge and wind impacts for portions of the west coast of the Florida Peninsula beginning late Tuesday or Wednesday. Residents in these areas should ensure they have their hurricane plan in place, follow any advice given by local officials, and check back for updates to the forecast," the center said. ...

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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #78 on: October 06, 2024, 09:44:27 am »
Good morning...

Changes/observations since yesterday:

1. Biggest news is that models have significantly tightened in the past 12 hours.  Outside 2 outliers,  the entire ensemble resides on a landfall between Clearwater, FL and Venice, FL.  That is an area about 1/4  the real estate since the last run. 

2. NHC's "Cone"'s size has adjusted downward to reflect the better model agreement.  It now resides between the FL big bend area hit by Helene and Naples, FL.

3. Relative to Helene, the size of Milton is about 1/2.  But, that really doesn't matter in the severity of wind speed.  Sometimes these smaller physical storms have the ability to able to more rapidly intensify.  We don't know yet, with Milton, but that possiblity exists.

4. Sat loops are interesting.  There is a heck of trough hanging around just inland in the northern Gulf.  IMO that, how and if it persists, modifies or moves will be the one most signifcant factor on MIlton's direction.  And to give you an idea, of the depth of this frontal trough, is the differential in dew points,   It is in the Low 60's (DP) inland along the upper GOM.  While most of FL in the mid to upper 70's.

5. Movement.  Even though the NHC is stating the storm is moving East at 5 mph, I am not absolutely sure this exactly true at this point.   One danger in forecasting, especially early on, is the CIC will often, (almost always) relocate 50-75 miles at random whim.  Re-initialization with a couple of these wobbles, could signifcantly alter the storms location, thusly final destination.

6.  Intensity....  Now this gets the wierd award for the day.  The intensity models have it all over the map.  Of the 9 models...

2 have it reaching Cat 5
2 have it at Cat 4
2 have it at Cat 3
1 at Cat 2
2 at Cat 1

I beleive this wide variabliity has a lot to do around how much of the drier upper GOM upper air entrusion gets into the storm.  With that I beleive that the more south the strom traverses, the more chance it will be in the upper tier. 

 
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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #79 on: October 06, 2024, 10:02:18 am »
Published October 5, 2024 1:32pm EDT Updated October 6, 2024 8:22am EDT

Milton forecast to rapidly intensify into major hurricane before slamming into Florida

South Florida declared a state of emergency ahead of dangerous future impacts of Milton. This would be the third hurricane strike of the season, following the landfalls of Debby in August and Helene in September.

By Scott Sistek , Andrew Wulfeck Source FOX Weather

MIAMI — All eyes are on Milton as the dangerous soon-to-be hurricane will bring damaging winds, a life-threatening storm surge, and torrential rain that is forecast to strike the west coast of Florida during the workweek. This would be the third hurricane strike of the season, following the landfalls of Debby in August and Helene in September.

The National Hurricane Center designated the budding cyclone Tropical Storm Milton on Saturday afternoon, but it's now expected to rapidly intensify into a hurricane by Monday and reach Florida on Wednesday.

The forecast for Milton has evolved quite a bit in the last day or so, showing greater potential to be a more significant storm.

"The bottom line is we do have the potential for a significant, problematic, impactful storm coming toward Florida Tuesday, Wednesday-ish of next week," Hurricane Specialist Bryan Norcross said.



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Will Milton hit North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia or South Carolina?

The expected impacted region is farther south from where Hurricane Helene made landfall last week, so the hardest-hit areas of the Big Bend will not receive as much rainfall as locations such as Fort Myers, Orlando, Tampa and Miami.

In addition to the rainfall, rough seas will lead to threats of increased rip currents and erosion along beaches – a pattern that will continue well into next week.

On its current path, Hurricane Milton will not travel up through the Southeast like Hurricane Helene, but rain from Milton's outer bands could reach South Carolina and Georgia and is expected to stay well south of North Carolina and Tennessee.

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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #82 on: October 15, 2024, 09:44:31 am »
October 15th.

1. Very quiet in the GOM and Caribbean right now.  A 1030 Mb High as far south as Arkansas  this early in the season will sweep the moisture aside. In fact there is a very strong and defined front running from Key West to Tampico, MX.  Early winter pattern if holds, should be good news. 
2. The GFS shows a low center forming a hundred or miles off the coast of Hatteras on the 17th.  Models shows strengthening, but staying off shore. Bermuda might want to keep an eye on it.
3. 21 Oct 2024 GFS indicates a low forming in the Western Caribbean. But as with the earlier system, prognosticated as a fish storm, forming and moving NE.  That'll possibly make 2 storms for Bermuda to watch that week.
4.  For the entire 15 day run, GFS shows a robust N->S progression of strong fronts, reaching deep in the GOM.  Not a weather pattern that favors tropical development.  And since this almost takes us to the end of meterorlogical Tropical Season.  This is some good news.
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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #83 on: October 15, 2024, 06:00:29 pm »
October 15th.

1. Very quiet in the GOM and Caribbean right now.  A 1030 Mb High as far south as Arkansas  this early in the season will sweep the moisture aside. In fact there is a very strong and defined front running from Key West to Tampico, MX.  Early winter pattern if holds, should be good news. 
2. The GFS shows a low center forming a hundred or miles off the coast of Hatteras on the 17th.  Models shows strengthening, but staying off shore. Bermuda might want to keep an eye on it.
3. 21 Oct 2024 GFS indicates a low forming in the Western Caribbean. But as with the earlier system, prognosticated as a fish storm, forming and moving NE.  That'll possibly make 2 storms for Bermuda to watch that week.
4.  For the entire 15 day run, GFS shows a robust N->S progression of strong fronts, reaching deep in the GOM.  Not a weather pattern that favors tropical development.  And since this almost takes us to the end of meterorlogical Tropical Season.  This is some good news.
We are supposed to have a cold front and drier air move into the area (FL) this week which is a good thing.
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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #84 on: October 15, 2024, 06:02:30 pm »
We are supposed to have a cold front and drier air move into the area this week which is a good thing.

I think one more really strong cold front in the GOM should shut down Hurricane Season, this season...  at least the GOM.
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« Reply #85 on: October 15, 2024, 06:28:14 pm »
I think one more really strong cold front in the GOM should shut down Hurricane Season, this season...  at least the GOM.

All I know is that I am hurricane weary this year.  I have had enough. 

With that being said, I think we are in for a very cold winter.

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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #86 on: October 18, 2024, 03:43:12 pm »
Strong wave brewing east of Belieze.   NHC has development at 70%.

Good news is that it is at a low enough lat. (15N)  that should promote a pure westward track over Central America.
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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #87 on: October 20, 2024, 10:49:06 am »
Hope no one nodded off.  Hurricane Season is not over.

Nadine rapidly formed yesterday, and hit Belize with 50 mph winds.  Guessing it will die in the higher elevations of Central America, or keep westward track and enter the Pacific.

Next big Hurricane Weather Story, likely won't be in this country.  Oscar also rapidly formed north of Cuba, and is expected to reach the coast tonight.  The big deal with this one is not the wind...  In fact it is a really tiny windfield.  Big story will be the rain in Eastern Cuba, and in the Bahamas.  Oscar according to present NHC prognistication, has it making like a fish hook path, and staying within about a 300 mile radius for the entire next 7 days. 7 days of any tropical system parking over one area is a reciepe for a possible catastrophy.
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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #88 on: October 24, 2024, 10:46:56 am »
Warning issued after predictions show another storm could hit Florida
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Hurricane watchers have issued a warning for the final month of the season after predictions showed another storm could hit Florida. The season is set to conclude on November 30, but the Atlantic Ocean is still showing signs that are favorable for cyclones. Meteorologists predicted a tropical storm could form in an area of high pressure that would push it on the same path as Helene and Milton that struck Florida earlier this month.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/warning-issued-after-predictions-show-another-storm-could-hit-florida/ss-AA1sR6eb?ocid=widgetonlockscreenwin10&cvid=5b3c71662e8249b68d9f1b7e2f21208f&ei=12#image=1

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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #89 on: October 24, 2024, 11:04:04 am »
Warning issued after predictions show another storm could hit Florida

The American model paints a wild scenario with a Cat 3 striking Florida the Monday before the election and drenching the east coast through Tuesday.  We're talking day 10 of a model, so it's not happening, but is all the more reason to cast an early ballot.

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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #90 on: October 24, 2024, 05:23:03 pm »
Warning issued after predictions show another storm could hit Florida
©foxweather.com


Hurricane watchers have issued a warning for the final month of the season after predictions showed another storm could hit Florida. The season is set to conclude on November 30, but the Atlantic Ocean is still showing signs that are favorable for cyclones. Meteorologists predicted a tropical storm could form in an area of high pressure that would push it on the same path as Helene and Milton that struck Florida earlier this month.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/warning-issued-after-predictions-show-another-storm-could-hit-florida/ss-AA1sR6eb?ocid=widgetonlockscreenwin10&cvid=5b3c71662e8249b68d9f1b7e2f21208f&ei=12#image=1



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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #91 on: October 24, 2024, 05:40:23 pm »


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That's what I said.  We took our shutters down thinking that our hurricane season had ended. 

I've been looking up companies that manufacture and install hurricane impact windows so we don't have to struggle with shutters and panels ever again.  They are time consuming and a hassle. With impact windows -- they're already on the house year round. 

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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #92 on: October 24, 2024, 06:40:48 pm »
Ughhh...  3 early points to make after looking at this morning's GFS run:

1. GFS has about a 964Mb Hurricane reaching the FL Big Bend area about Wednesday 06 November.  That would be about a Low End Cat 3.

2. Another serious consideration and hazard  is that this model run has this same storm a day early fairly near Key West at 955Mb. (Mid Cat 3)

3. What is most troubling by some of these early predicted paths is that the GFS has it hugging the Coast all the way to about Maryland.  Storms off the shore can have a huge variability in what strengh may take place.  There is no way to know this that far out.
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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #93 on: October 24, 2024, 06:45:03 pm »
Ughhh...  3 early points to make after looking at this morning's GFS run:

1. GFS has about a 964Mb Hurricane reaching the FL Big Bend area about Wednesday 06 November.  That would be about a Low End Cat 3.

2. Another serious consideration and hazard  is that this model run has this same storm a day early fairly near Key West at 955Mb. (Mid Cat 3)

3. What is most troubling by some of these early predicted paths is that the GFS has it hugging the Coast all the way to about Maryland.  Storms off the shore can have a huge variability in what strengh may take place.  There is no way to know this that far out.

Let's hope none of those scenarios plays out. This has to be one of the worst seasons for FL I've experienced.

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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #94 on: October 24, 2024, 06:55:47 pm »
Hurricane season is waning, but it’s not over yet. Meteorologists are monitoring the western Caribbean for possible storm development toward the end of the month. The next name on the list is “Patty.”

The forecast is far from set in stone. While there’s a lot of uncertainty, weather models are highlighting the risk of a pocket of spin that could consolidate into a named storm. It’s too early to speculate on possible strength or track — especially since there isn’t even a storm yet. But there’s a chance that this system could end up as the final hurricane churning in the Atlantic before the oceans cool and the calendar flips to 2025.



It’s worth noting that, even if a storm forms, the odds of a U.S. impact are slim.

Only four hurricanes in the past century and a half have struck the Lower 48 during November; records date back to near 1850.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2024/10/24/tropical-storm-hurricane-forecast-caribbean-patty/

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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #95 on: October 24, 2024, 06:55:53 pm »
Let's hope none of those scenarios plays out. This has to be one of the worst seasons for FL I've experienced.

The NHC doesn't even have this "future" as an Investigative area yet.  Without some kind of at least meteorlogical ID'ed Low, and tropical environmet condition profile.....  I really don't think we should get shook up yet.

Secondly, Very early, and late in Hurricane Season, there is a multitude of more unknown emphasis of non-summer weather patterns.  Fronts, troughs, are impossible to predict 15 days out.  So, while its a good idea to keep an idea on these things, trying guess its location and strength in late October is impossible.
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« Reply #96 on: October 24, 2024, 06:56:23 pm »
.........The forecast is far from set in stone. While there’s a lot of uncertainty, weather models are highlighting the risk of a pocket of spin that could consolidate into a named storm. It’s too early to speculate on possible strength or track — especially since there isn’t even a storm yet. But there’s a chance that this system could end up as the final hurricane churning in the Atlantic before the oceans cool and the calendar flips to 2025.................

It’s worth noting that, even if a storm forms, the odds of a U.S. impact are slim.

Only four hurricanes in the past century and a half have struck the Lower 48 during November; records date back to near 1850.

The Atlantic has had a busy season. The ACE, or Accumulated Cyclone Energy — a metric which gauges how much energy storms churn through to produce strong winds — is running 30 percent above average....................


https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2024/10/24/tropical-storm-hurricane-forecast-caribbean-patty/

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Re: 2024 Tropical Weather Discussion
« Reply #97 on: October 27, 2024, 02:12:06 pm »
GFS run this morning has a much better few weeks of prognostication  than my last check.

During the 15 days, it is still showing plenty of tropical activity, but the GFS at least has it zonal in nature along the 20 degree N latitude.  As long as this weather pattern holds true, most storms under these conditions will impact the Caribbean and Central America.  Still too early not to rule out one system going north enough to get pulled up into the Eastern GOM or East US Atlantic Coast.
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« Reply #98 on: October 27, 2024, 02:15:16 pm »
Yawn. 

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« Reply #99 on: October 27, 2024, 02:18:57 pm »
Yawn. 

Mark me safe from a Nov cane.  Ain't gonna harsh my mellow with the (Medias) fear porn.

One of my favorite stats, and from my locale, is that there has never been a major hurricane strike in Texas (Cat 3 or larger) after 30 September. 

Still October and November can still get kind of dicey for our FL Briefer friends. 
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