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Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS

Joel B. Pollak 29 May 2024

Conservative radio host and litigator Mark Levin said Wednesday that former President Donald Trump should immediately appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court if convicted by a Manhattan jury, due to serious constitutional issues.


https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1795848087576907921

The jury began its deliberations Wednesday after Judge Juan Merchan issued his instructions — and, controversially, told the jurors that while they needed to be unanimous on guilt or innocence, they did not need to agree on what underlying federal crime must have been committed in order for a state felony charge of falsification of business records to be brought.

The judge also puzzled observers — even center-left commentators — by refusing to allow jurors to take a printed copy of the jury instructions, which were more than 50 pages long, into their deliberations.

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I admit, my trial experience isn't great, but OMG!!!! could there be any more grounds for appeal?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Damn, that didn't take long.

Go ahead, crybaby Trump, appeal to your Supreme Court, you convicted criminal.

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Damn, that didn't take long.

Go ahead, crybaby Trump, appeal to your Supreme Court, you convicted criminal.



Sorry dude...  You just don't get it.
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Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS

Joel B. Pollak 29 May 2024

Conservative radio host and litigator Mark Levin said Wednesday that former President Donald Trump should immediately appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court if convicted by a Manhattan jury, due to serious constitutional issues.


https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1795848087576907921

The jury began its deliberations Wednesday after Judge Juan Merchan issued his instructions — and, controversially, told the jurors that while they needed to be unanimous on guilt or innocence, they did not need to agree on what underlying federal crime must have been committed in order for a state felony charge of falsification of business records to be brought.

The judge also puzzled observers — even center-left commentators — by refusing to allow jurors to take a printed copy of the jury instructions, which were more than 50 pages long, into their deliberations.

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IMHO I don't think the SCOTUS would take up this case.

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Doesn't matter what I get or don't get ... a jury of his peers has convicted him.

... the whining, doxxing, death threats, and appeals shall commence.

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Sorry dude...  You just don't get it.
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Doesn't matter what I get or don't get ... a jury of his peers has convicted him.

... the whining, doxxing, death threats, and appeals shall commence.

Jury of peers?

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I stand corrected ... those jurors are no longer Trump's peers because Trump is a convicted criminal.

Jury of peers?

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I stand corrected ... those jurors are no longer Trump's peers because Trump is a convicted criminal.

Suit yourself. Don't whine, when you realize that anyone right of center can easily become a target for imprisonment.  Including you.
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Doesn't matter what I get or don't get ... a jury of his peers has convicted him.

... the whining, doxxing, death threats, and appeals shall commence.

Trump has chosen to live the Thug Life, now he gets Thug Consequences.

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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2024, 05:43:18 pm »
Mark knows it doesn't work that way.  Gotta go through the NY state appeal process first, culminating with the State Supreme Court, before heading to federal court.
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2024, 05:43:59 pm »
Mark knows it doesn't work that way.  Gotta go through the NY state appeal process first, culminating with the State Supreme Court, before heading to federal court.

Excellent point.
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2024, 05:57:50 pm »
Excellent point.

It has been done some say.  Gore v Bush.

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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2024, 06:01:00 pm »
It has been done some say.  Gore v Bush.

But only because STATE was not merely judging but changing rules on the fly.

So it was more a step-in to stop unlawfulness if the normal next rung in the process rather than simply skipping rungs.
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2024, 06:16:42 pm »
It has been done some say.  Gore v Bush.

That was a one-off anomaly.  No way that John Roberts lets Trump off the hook by skipping line with the process.  Roberts will make Trump go through the state system first, and then appeal to the New York federal District Court in Manhattan if the equally corrupt NY State Supreme Court upholds the conviction.

Like I said, the process IS the punishment!
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2024, 07:07:39 pm »
Doesn't matter what I get or don't get ... a jury of his peers has convicted him.

... the whining, doxxing, death threats, and appeals shall commence.

Equating "whining, doxxing, and death threats" to "appeals" is pretty pathetic.   A crappy judge who twists the law can get convictions.  That doesn't mean those verdicts deserve respect.

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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2024, 07:14:55 pm »
That was a one-off anomaly.  No way that John Roberts lets Trump off the hook by skipping line with the process. 

The line wasn't skipped in Bush v. Gore.  The case followed the normal route for appeals.  Being a state court case, it went through the state appellate process, and then straight to SCOTUS.

Those cases don't go through the federal courts of appeal.

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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2024, 09:53:53 pm »
The line wasn't skipped in Bush v. Gore.  The case followed the normal route for appeals.  Being a state court case, it went through the state appellate process, and then straight to SCOTUS.

I forgot about that.  Thanks for the reminder.  So I guess SCOTUS may (or may not) take it up after a presumably adverse NY State Supreme Court ruling?  Or would the case have to work its way up from the District Court level?

I just can't help but think about all the wishful thinking that went on immediately after the 2020 election that SCOTUS would make everything all right once the various cases were rushed through the state courts.  "Trust in the plan," and all that nonsense.  SCOTUS, in reality, isn't obligated to take up anything, and I doubt Robert will do Trump, or the country, any favors.
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2024, 12:33:22 am »
Doesn't matter what I get or don't get ... a jury of his peers has convicted him.

A jury of his peers?  Yeah, right.
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2024, 08:19:13 am »
Doesn't matter what I get or don't get ... a jury of his peers has convicted him.
That would be tolerable had it been a fair trial. But it wasn't.
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2024, 11:20:50 am »
Sold stock I own in all NY-based companies.

Wrote emails to all of them to express my fear of the NY judicial process and its lawlessness.

Hope many will follow to force these companies to put pressure on state govt to change its behavior or to move to a more favorable state.

Just like McDonalds is considering to do in California https://citizenwatchreport.com/mcdonalds-to-leave-california-a-real-possibility/
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2024, 11:34:43 am »
Sold stock I own in all NY-based companies.

Wrote emails to all of them to express my fear of the NY judicial process and its lawlessness.

Hope many will follow to force these companies to put pressure on state govt to change its behavior or to move to a more favorable state.

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Actual will enjoy watching that hell hole become either a ghost town or a dystopian theme park,
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2024, 11:36:12 am »
What is your major malfunction as a human being?

From his sn, I am guessing he lives in bright blue Massachusetts.  If he really is a (R)INO, I am sure their legal system already has him targeted,
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2024, 02:59:18 pm »
I forgot about that.  Thanks for the reminder.  So I guess SCOTUS may (or may not) take it up after a presumably adverse NY State Supreme Court ruling?  Or would the case have to work its way up from the District Court level?

Just to clarify a weird judicial anomaly, the highest level of appellate court in New York is actually called their "Court of Appeals".  Their "Supreme Court" (or actually "Courts"),  are their highest level of trial courts.  Their first level of appellate courts are technically Appellate Divisions of the Supreme (trial) courts).   Confusing when you have to cite to those courts.

So the case will go from the state Supreme Court, to the Appellate Divisions, and then to the New York State Court of Appeals.  If Trump loses in all those - which I do not think he will - it could then go to the SCOTUS.  However, the SCOTUS appeal is discretionary, and even then can only happen if there is a a federal issue involved. If the case comes down just to an interpretation of New York state law, the U.S. Supreme Court does not have jurisdiction.

One thing of which people should be aware is that an appeal of this kind is not rapid. The first thing that has to happen is that a certified, finalized court transcript and all of the exhibits have to be finalized so that the complete record can then be sent to the appellate division.  And before that, all the post-trial motions in front of the judge must be argued.

So there is basically no chance that any level of appeal will be decided in this case prior to the election.

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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2024, 03:06:43 pm »
Just to clarify a weird judicial anomaly, the highest level of appellate court in New York is actually called their "Court of Appeals".  Their "Supreme Court" (or actually "Courts"),  are their highest level of trial courts.  Their first level of appellate courts are technically Appellate Divisions of the Supreme (trial) courts).   Confusing when you have to cite to those courts.

So the case will go from the state Supreme Court, to the Appellate Divisions, and then to the New York State Court of Appeals.  If Trump loses in all those - which I do not think he will - it could then go to the SCOTUS.  However, the SCOTUS appeal is discretionary, and even then can only happen if there is a a federal issue involved. If the case comes down just to an interpretation of New York state law, the U.S. Supreme Court does not have jurisdiction.

One thing of which people should be aware is that an appeal of this kind is not rapid. The first thing that has to happen is that a certified, finalized court transcript and all of the exhibits have to be finalized so that the complete record can then be sent to the appellate division.  And before that, all the post-trial motions in front of the judge must be argued.

So there is basically no chance that any level of appeal will be decided in this case prior to the election.

Does gross violation of the 6th amendment protections constitute a federal issue?
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