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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #50 on: June 01, 2024, 03:04:03 am »
He can't step down.  That basically rewards the Dems for their abuse of the legal process.  He's got to stay in the race so the voters get to signal whether they approve or disapprove of what the Democrats are doing.  And like it or not - and you and I don't - that's who primary voters selected even though they knew this was a possibility all along.   He's the GOP nominee.

I get it - They win on the political field.
But they were always going to anyway.

The problem is playing this game in political and media circles instead of where it belongs - In the Courts. He has enough ammo by now to wreck the whole upper end of the Democrats and the media with counter suits. He could make it into a small industry that would make his hospitality game look like a mom and pop joint.

He is going at it all wrong. And endangering the country for the chance to play ego games that he damn well may lose.

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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #51 on: June 01, 2024, 07:16:36 am »
Even one of CNN's legal commentators acknowledges the complete irregularity of the prosecution and trial.

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1796545520619646995

See also NY Mag: Prosecutors Got Trump But They Also Contorted the Law.
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #52 on: June 01, 2024, 07:31:41 am »
She also wrote in the above-cited NY Mag article:
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CNN Senior Legal Analyst Describes How The Trump Conviction Was A Political Hit Job

1. "The judge donated money... in plain violation of a rule prohibiting New York judges from making political donations—to a pro-Biden, anti-Trump political operation."

2. Alvin Bragg boasted on the campaign trail in an overwhelmingly Democrat county, “It is a fact that I have sued Trump over 100 times.”

3. "Most importantly, the DA’s charges against Trump push the outer boundaries of the law and due process."

4. "The charges against Trump are obscure, and nearly entirely unprecedented. In fact, no state prosecutor — in New York, or Wyoming, or anywhere — has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or predicate state crime, against anyone, for anything. None. Ever."

5. The DA inflated misdemeanors past the statute of limitations and "electroshocked them back to life" by alleging the falsification of business records was committed 'with intent to commit another crime.'

6. "Inexcusably, the DA refused to specify what those unlawful means actually were — and the judge declined to force them to pony up — until right before closing arguments. So much for the constitutional obligation to provide notice to the defendant of the accusations against him in advance of trial."

7. "In these key respects, the charges against Trump aren’t just unusual. They’re bespoke, seemingly crafted individually for the former president and nobody else."

8. "The Manhattan DA’s employees reportedly have called this the “Zombie Case” because of various legal infirmities, including its bizarre charging mechanism. But it’s better characterized as the Frankenstein Case, cobbled together with ill-fitting parts into an ugly, awkward, but more-or-less functioning contraption that just might ultimately turn on its creator."
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #53 on: June 01, 2024, 09:07:36 am »
I get it - They win on the political field.
But they were always going to anyway.

The problem is playing this game in political and media circles instead of where it belongs - In the Courts. He has enough ammo by now to wreck the whole upper end of the Democrats and the media with counter suits. He could make it into a small industry that would make his hospitality game look like a mom and pop joint.

He is going at it all wrong. And endangering the country for the chance to play ego games that he damn well may lose.

How in the hell can you claim Trump is the one endangering the country when the Dems pull this Commie crap?
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #54 on: June 01, 2024, 09:24:05 am »
Even one of CNN's legal commentators acknowledges the complete irregularity of the prosecution and trial.

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1796545520619646995

See also NY Mag: Prosecutors Got Trump But They Also Contorted the Law.

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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #55 on: June 01, 2024, 11:05:01 am »
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Thinking further out loud

The issue is how to get out of the New York system and bring the case to the Supreme Court, which may or may not take it up.  That is why I look to Bush v Gore, where the S Ct decided to step in BECAUSE it was a presidential election.  There was another court involved, the Florida Supreme Court.  And it was that court that the Supreme Court believed was violating the Equal Protection Clause.  That was the doctrine it settled on, given the unequal treatment of voters.

In New York, you would file the notice of appeal, ask for a stay of the trial court, and seek expedited review. You need to protect your ability to timely appeal and not abandon it.  You might then file applications for common law writs with the US Supreme Court, where the S Ct can take action if it chooses, and legitimately claim the harm is immediate and ongoing not just to a presidential candidate, but to the federal electoral system, federal campaign jurisdiction (reverse federalism), and the precedent that might otherwise be set and spread throughout the country.  The denial of due process infected every aspect of the case.

The S Ct has common law powers (common law writs -- judicially created not statutorily created) it uses very sparingly, in extraordinary circumstances, to grant relief. Waiting would compound the problem.  The problem now is that every day that goes by, the actions by the NY lower court bleeds into the federal, presidential election system.

Where does this end?  Will other DA's use the Bragg-Merchan precedent, such as it is, going forward, and not care what higher state courts have to say, in that those courts may not act quickly or at all.  So, now local prosecutors and state judges will intervene in presidential elections or any federal election.

We need to give the Supreme Court the opportunity to intervene.  If it chooses not to, then it won't.

But between Jack Smith criminalizing election challenges to the point that we do not know what is or is not legal, and now Bragg and Merchan criminalizing events and activities that are not illegal, to the point we don't now know what they are, the Supreme Court, in my view, must do something.

In the end, the S Ct will not be able to avoid this forever.  Better to deal with now than later, when it will get worse.
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #56 on: June 01, 2024, 11:33:50 am »
How in the hell can you claim Trump is the one endangering the country when the Dems pull this Commie crap?

He should have stepped down and fought this proper in the courts and out of the headlines. Had he done that, another would be standing for election. One not sullied by all this stupid, ridiculous drama.

That's on him. He chose this.

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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #57 on: June 01, 2024, 02:43:38 pm »
He should have stepped down and fought this proper in the courts and out of the headlines. Had he done that, another would be standing for election. One not sullied by all this stupid, ridiculous drama.

That's on him. He chose this.

You have completely lost your damned mind @roamer_1 ! Do you really believe they wouldn't have immediately turned their hounds loose on whoever replaced Trump?
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #58 on: June 01, 2024, 02:53:37 pm »
You have completely lost your damned mind @roamer_1 ! Do you really believe they wouldn't have immediately turned their hounds loose on whoever replaced Trump?

Not with the vehemence they have for him. He made it his goal to piss them the hell off, and he got it done. Their hatred of him is white-hot... And for no real reason beyond his penchant for pissing em off.

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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #59 on: June 01, 2024, 02:54:46 pm »
Not with the vehemence they have for him. He made it his goal to piss them the hell off, and he got it done. Their hatred of him is white-hot... And for no real reason beyond his penchant for pissing em off.

Horseshit.
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #60 on: June 01, 2024, 02:57:19 pm »
Horseshit.

Not horseshit. He actually did very little to thwart them, other than mean words.

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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #61 on: June 01, 2024, 02:57:52 pm »
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #63 on: June 01, 2024, 04:17:12 pm »
Not with the vehemence they have for him. He made it his goal to piss them the hell off, and he got it done. Their hatred of him is white-hot... And for no real reason beyond his penchant for pissing em off.

Nonsense.  ALL your overlords know exactly why they must stop Trump --- and it has nothing to do with this  pointing-up  fantasy.

Take a peek at London today:

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1796903087279411371

https://x.com/TPostMillennial/status/1796945197483618540

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1796947235457876454

https://x.com/HumanEvents/status/1796959200826053044

https://x.com/TPostMillennial/status/1796955496756453857


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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #64 on: June 01, 2024, 04:21:42 pm »
Nonsense.  ALL your overlords know exactly why they must stop Trump --- and it has nothing to do with this  pointing-up  fantasy.

Take a peek at London today:

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1796903087279411371

https://x.com/TPostMillennial/status/1796945197483618540

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1796947235457876454

https://x.com/HumanEvents/status/1796959200826053044

https://x.com/TPostMillennial/status/1796955496756453857

Not my overlords - I ain't voting for any of em. A pox on both their houses. All their houses.
They are selling us down the river, every one of em, including your boy.

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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #66 on: June 21, 2024, 12:48:36 pm »
I think you will only find the Supreme Court stepping in if a sentence is imposed and is not stayed pending appeal.  Otherwise, if the sentence is stayed, there is no urgent need to hear the appeal.

The Supreme Court really needs the NY appellate system to take the first cracks at this conviction on the merits.
Now that we have the situation that a gag order remains in place while the appeal is being processed, inhibiting the Presidential front-runner from speaking out during this election, do you still stand on that principle?

Seems a sentence has already been imposed in not removing the gag order.

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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #67 on: June 21, 2024, 01:45:45 pm »
Now that we have the situation that a gag order remains in place while the appeal is being processed, inhibiting the Presidential front-runner from speaking out during this election, do you still stand on that principle?

Seems a sentence has already been imposed in not removing the gag order.

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I do think the gag order is different from the substance of the case.   I could see an interlocutory appeal of that having a better chance of being heard.

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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #68 on: June 21, 2024, 01:47:53 pm »
He should have stepped down and fought this proper in the courts and out of the headlines. Had he done that, another would be standing for election. One not sullied by all this stupid, ridiculous drama.

That's on him. He chose this.

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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #69 on: June 21, 2024, 06:15:50 pm »
Some people don't surrender. They fight.

Trump 2024.  :yowsa:

bullcrap. He ain't fighting. He's showboating. And that's all he ever does.

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« Reply #70 on: June 21, 2024, 08:29:20 pm »
bullcrap. He ain't fighting. He's showboating. And that's all he ever does.

Go kill an elk.  You need to get some satisfaction.
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« Reply #71 on: June 21, 2024, 08:38:18 pm »
Go kill an elk.  You need to get some satisfaction.

Sure as hell won't be getting any from the Tumpy the Clown show....  :whistle:

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Re: Mark Levin: Trump Should Immediately Appeal Any Conviction to SCOTUS
« Reply #72 on: June 21, 2024, 09:07:24 pm »
I do think the gag order is different from the substance of the case.   I could see an interlocutory appeal of that having a better chance of being heard.
You seem to not realize that time is also important here.  The debate will likely take place before that appeal is finalized and will be the first time in history that campaigning and debates will take place when one of the Presidential contenders will be under a gag order.  Not exactly a way to get the citizens their best candidate through our election process.

There is precedent in making timely decisions by the Supreme Court that serve to honor our Constitutional Republic from falling apart- such as the the unprecedented intervention to stop the counting of Gore vs Bush.
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« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2024, 03:23:14 pm »
You seem to not realize that time is also important here.  The debate will likely take place before that appeal is finalized and will be the first time in history that campaigning and debates will take place when one of the Presidential contenders will be under a gag order.  Not exactly a way to get the citizens their best candidate through our election process.

I'm not sure what you're thinking I don't realize.  I specifically mentioned the gag ordered as making a federal intervention more likely.  But as far as I can tell, Trump's team hasn't filed a federal appeal of that order.

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There is precedent in making timely decisions by the Supreme Court that serve to honor our Constitutional Republic from falling apart- such as the the unprecedented intervention to stop the counting of Gore vs Bush.

Apples and oranges.

The appeal to the Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore was an appeal from a decision by the Florida Supreme Court.  And that is the normal progression of appeals .  If the court of highest jurisdiction within a state renders a final decision, that decision is properly appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court to the extent any federal laws are implicated.

What Trump would be asking is to skip the New York State Court of Appeals (essentially the Supreme Court of New York) before it has received the case, and jump right to the U.S. Supreme Court.  That's much different and far more unusual than what was sought in Bush v. Gore.