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White House grapples with internal divisions on Israel-Gaza

Washington Post by Yasmeen Abutaleb and John Hudson 11/26/2023

The Hamas attacks and Israeli reaction have roiled the Biden team like no other issue during his presidency

Earlier this month, a group of about 20 distressed White House staffers requested a meeting with President Biden’s top advisers, as Israel’s war in Gaza entered its sixth week.

The diverse group of staffers had three main issues they wanted to discuss with White House Chief of Staff Jeff Zients, senior adviser Anita Dunn and deputy national security adviser Jon Finer: They wanted to know the administration’s strategy for curbing the number of civilian deaths, the message it plans to send on the conflict and its postwar vision for the region.

Zients, Dunn and Finer listened respectfully, but some participants felt they fell back on familiar talking points, said a White House official familiar with the meeting, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a private exchange. The administration had to be careful not to criticize Israel in public so it could influence its leaders in private, the advisers said. U.S. officials were pushing Israel to minimize civilian casualties. And the president and his top aides were advocating for a two-state solution once the conflict was over.

The previously unreported meeting of officials underscores how Biden’s handling of what is arguably the biggest foreign policy crisis of his presidency is dividing a White House that has prided itself on running a disciplined and united operation. The Israel-Gaza war has roiled the administration more than any other issue in Biden’s first three years in office, according to numerous aides and allies inside and outside the White House, as staffers agonize over their positions on highly emotional issues.

More: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bWC6e1JM6AkJ:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/26/biden-white-house-divisions-israel-gaza/&hl=en&gl=us

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Victoria Freeman
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Hamas killed the 91yr old founder of kibbutz Kissufim, attached her body to a rope & dragged it around behind a motorbike. They “diced” up the body of her 80yr old neighbour with a spade. Details like this are why Israel is united in resolve

Story: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/24/from-a-judicial-coup-to-the-hamas-attack-the-year-that-tore-apart-then-reunited-israel

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Report: Negotiators in Qatar Have Divided Hostages into Groups, Like Cattle

Negotiators in Doha, Qatar, over the release of further groups of Israeli hostages have divided them into groups and categories — like cattle, much as Nazis divided Jews into different groups at concentration camps and death camps in the Second World War.

This humiliating exercise, itself a public relations victory for Hamas, will enable the terror organization to demand different prices for each group — far more than the three Palestinian terror convicts for every woman and child in the first six exchanges.

The result is a process that looks more like bartering over goods in a Middle Eastern bazaar than a discussion about human beings — all of whom were kidnapped in a terror attack, and all of whom are being held in violation of international law, without Red Cross visits.

The description of negotiations between Hamas, Qatar, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), and the Israeli Mossad was published by Washington Post columnist David Ignatius on Tuesday evening.

Ignatius wrote:

    The negotiators agreed on five categories of Israeli hostages for future releases, the knowledgeable source said. The five groups are: men too old for reserve military duty, female soldiers, male reservists, active-duty male soldiers, and the bodies of Israelis who died before or during captivity. The total is well over 100, but the source said he couldn’t provide a precise number as yet.

    Hamas has expressed “willingness to negotiate on all five categories,” the source said. He added that parameters of the exchange — such as how many Gaza captives would be freed each day, how many Palestinian prisoners would be exchanged for each Israeli, and how much humanitarian assistance would be sent into Gaza — haven’t been worked out.

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https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/11/28/report-negotiators-in-qatar-have-divided-hostages-into-groups-like-cattle/

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If only we could eliminate the UN ... completely.

Israel in UN/Geneva🇮🇱🇺🇳 | #BringThemHome
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This is Israeli kid Ido Avigal. He was 5 years old when he was killed in 2021, in his house in Sderot, during a major Hamas rockets barrage.
Hamas killed Ido.
But today, the Palestinian Delegation presented an exhibition @UNGeneva, which included Ido as a Palestinian child supposedly killed by Israel in Gaza. This is despicable. We call on @UN_Valovaya to immediately remove this exhibition, which spreads misinformation and is part of a propaganda campaign.

4:48 AM · Nov 29, 2023

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Turkish President Erdogan calls Israel PM Netanyahu the 'butcher of Gaza'

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan , who has been a vocal critic of Israel since the war against Hamas started, is now calling Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu the “butcher of Gaza.”

Erdogan on Wednesday also reiterated that his government would ensure that Israel is held accountable for its military actions before international courts, accusing Netanyahu of committing “one of the worst atrocities” of the century, according to the Associated Press.

“With the murders he committed in Gaza, Netanyahu is firing up antisemitism and endangering the security of the people of Israel and of all Jewish people,” Erdogan reportedly said. “Immigrants living in [Western] countries are paying the price for the irresponsible rhetoric of Western leaders that demonize Palestinians.”

Turkey in the immediate aftermath of the Hamas terrorist attack on October 7 had denounced the violence and condemned deaths caused by the group, but as Israel rolled out its response, Erdogan shifted his support and started to refer to Hamas as "freedom fighters." 

Israel’s Foreign Ministry previously has said that "Erdogan’s attempt to defend a terrorist organization and his inflammatory statements won’t change the horrors seen by the world that proves Hamas is ISIS."

Fox News’ Peter Aitken and Reuters contributed to this report.
Posted by Greg Norman

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 Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas calls for international conference to end Israel-Hamas war

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on Wednesday has called for an international conference to resolve the Israel-Hamas war.

He said Palestinians are ready to work with the international community on a “serious political process” that leads to an independent state in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem, territories Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war, according to the Associated Press.

He also again called for a halt to the war in Gaza.

Abbas’ Palestinian Authority administers parts of the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

Hamas drove his forces out of Gaza when it seized power there in 2007.

The war between Israel and Hamas, which began on Oct. 7 following a surprise terrorist attack in southern Israel, is now in its 53rd day.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Posted by Greg Norman

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Hamas, Israel consider new Gaza truce parameters including release of men: report
By Reuters

Israel and Hamas were on Wednesday considering the parameters of a potential new phase of the Gaza truce deal that includes Hamas releasing hostages who are men or military personnel, not only women and children, a source briefed on the negotiations said.

The leaders of the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Israel’s Mossad met Qatar’s prime minister in Doha on Tuesday to discuss the possible new phase and what might be needed to reach a ceasefire lasting more than a handful of days, the source told Reuters.

Qatari negotiators had met Hamas officials ahead of the meeting to gauge their willingness to agree to the new parameters.

The outcome of the discussion between Qatar and Hamas was unclear.

CIA Director William Burns was in Doha “for meetings on the Israel-Hamas conflict including discussions on hostages”, a US official said on condition of anonymity. The official did not elaborate.

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https://nypost.com/2023/11/29/news/hamas-israel-consider-new-gaza-truce-parameters-including-release-of-men/

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 Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas calls for international conference to end Israel-Hamas war

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on Wednesday has called for an international conference to resolve the Israel-Hamas war.

He said Palestinians are ready to work with the international community on a “serious political process” that leads to an independent state in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem, territories Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war, according to the Associated Press.

He also again called for a halt to the war in Gaza.

Abbas’ Palestinian Authority administers parts of the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

Hamas drove his forces out of Gaza when it seized power there in 2007.

The war between Israel and Hamas, which began on Oct. 7 following a surprise terrorist attack in southern Israel, is now in its 53rd day.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Posted by Greg Norman

This is all right on schedule. It is a part of a tired old plan which has played out dozens of times. Arabs commit an atrocity against Israeli civilians. Israel retaliates. Arabs call for immediate temporary ceasefire, often while still attacking Israel. The U.N. and International groups side with the Arabs. Eventually Israel agrees to a ceasefire. Arabs immediately call for a cessation of hostilities, often while still attacking Israel. International negotiators get involved and side with the Arabs as they always do.

The ceasefire leads to a loss of momentum and will by Israel. This ends the initiative. Everything settles down into status quo and the Arabs get away with it. Arabs 'win' and claim victory. Which only emboldens the terrorists to do it again, and again, and again after that.

It is like watching a rerun for the tenth time. No doubt Abbas will promise peace forever and sign another bullshit 'treaty' which will be discarded before the ink dries. No doubt international groups and the U.N. will promise "monitoring" which always amounts to nothing at all since the monitors support the Arab cause. In many cases the so-called 'international monitors' are complicit with the Arabs and aid in preparing them for the next battle with weapons and munitions.

However, I hope this time will be different. I believe Hamas went way too far this time for the standard playbook to apply.

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🔴Hamas says it has handed over two Russian-Israeli hostages to the Red Cross ‘in response to the efforts of Russian President Putin’

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1729881757984715158

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https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1729818214740185137

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https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1729880569662828614

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Israel Radar
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❗️Israel’s military chiefs expect to resume Gaza war on Saturday, Dec. 2; IDF controls estimated 45% of Gaza Strip at this point; buffer zone on Israel-Gaza border already in effect. via @WallaNews

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Israeli Defense Minister Galant in a sharp message: "If anyone has any doubts - very soon we will continue the ground operation across the entire Gaza Strip". (Yisroel Hayom)

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JUST IN: US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken set to join the Israeli War Cabinet meeting in Israel tomorrow as the temporary ceasefire may be winding down

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Red Cross officials have not yet been allowed to visit hostages that Hamas is holding in Gaza, in violation of an agreement struck between Israel and Hamas which stipulated that the Red Cross would be able to visit the hostages by the end of the fourth day of the truce.  (CNN)

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Cannot argue with any of that, @Right_in_Virginia   

Can't argue with any of that???

What the hell.

Israel didn't attack Gaza. Gaza was independent and chose this path. Israel doesn't want the people because the "people" keep killing Israelis.

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7 minutes ago
Netanyahu vows war will continue after truce expires, says Israel will fight 'until the end'
By David Spector

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed that the war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip would resume after the expiration of the truce in a video statement.

"From the start of the war I set three goals," Netanyahu said, "Eliminating Hamas, returning all of our hostages, and ensuring that Gaza will never again go back to being a threat to the State of Israel. These three goals still stand."

Netanyahu went on to say he had been asked if Israel would resume its war effort against Hamas after this stage of hostage returns has been completed.

"There is no situation in which we do not go back fighting until the end," the Israeli PM declared.

Netanyahu said that the war enjoyed the support of his entire government, the military, and the Israeli people.

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The youngest Israeli hostage held by Hamas, his 4-year-old brother and their mom were killed by Israeli bombing on the Gaza Strip, the terror group’s military arm said Wednesday without evidence.


The Bibas family - Kfir, 10 month, Ariel, 4, Shiri, 32 and Yarden. Hamas said, without evidence, the children and their mother were killed in captivity by IDF forces.Yifat Zailer / Facebook

The youngest Israeli hostage held by Hamas, his 4-year-old brother and their mom were killed by Israeli bombing on the Gaza Strip, the terror group’s military arm said Wednesday without evidence.

Israel said it’s looking into the Al Qassam Brigades Telegram announcement about the deaths of 10-month-old Kfir Bibas, 4-year-old Ariel, and 23-year-old Shiri Silverman-Bibas.

“The terrorist organization Hamas continues to act in a cruel and inhuman manner,” the IDF said in a statement.

“IDF representatives spoke with the members of the Bibas family, informed them of the claim, and are accompanying them at this time. The IDF is examining the reliability of the information.”

“The responsibility for the safety of all the hostages in the Gaza Strip rests fully with the terrorist organization Hamas. Hamas endangers the hostages, including nine children. Hamas is required to immediately return them to Israel,” the statement continued.

The three had been abducted along with patriarch Yarden from their home in Kibbutz Nir Oz on Oct. 7, and the redheaded photogenic youngsters, known affectionately as “The Reds,” had become something of a symbol of the terror attack’s brutality.

On Tuesday, Israeli officials announced that Hamas had handed the family over to another Palestinian faction and said they were being held in Khan Younis, a city in the southern Gaza Strip.

Despite repeated pleas from extended relatives and IDF officials alike, the Bibas family was not on the list of hostages expected to be released Wednesday, according to CNN.

Hamas has released more than 80 of its some 240 hostages since a temporary truce was brokered last week.

more
https://nypost.com/2023/11/29/news/hamas-claims-kfir-bibas-mother-and-brother-killed-in-captivity/

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4 minutes ago
Israeli hostage's mother slams 'Uber service' Red Cross, blasts agency for not visiting captives
By David Spector

Israeli hostage Hersh Goldberg-Polin's mother, Rachel Goldberg slammed the Red Cross for failing to visit the captives in a press conference, the Times of Israel reports.

Goldberg's son had his arm blown off during the Hamas massacre of the Supernova rave on October 7 before being kidnapped by Hamas terrorists.

Goldberg said that she believes her son was treated in a Gaza hospital after he was abducted since the terrorists believed the hostages were worth more alive than dead.

However, Goldberg-Polin would require antibiotics post-surgery and its an open question whether he is receiving proper medical treatment.

Goldberg blasted the Red Cross for not visiting and providing medical care to the captives, saying the agency is nothing more than an "Uber service” for released hostages.

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https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1729853928840339705

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https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1729906207777812575

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a minute ago
Israeli hostages reunite with families in heartwarming photos
By Elizabeth Karpen

Heartwarming photos of newly released Israeli hostages reuniting with their families have emerged.

Many photos showed the families in tears, hugging their loved ones following their captivity as Hamas hostages.

So far, Hamas has released 80 of the presumed 240 hostages.

Out of the 61 Israelis released so far, the majority have been women and children. The remainder of the hostages have mostly been foreign workers or foreign citizens.

It is assumed that there are 160 hostages still held by Hamas, 100 of them Israelis.

A fifth release of hostages is expected to happen Wednesday.


Eitan Yehlomi, released this week from captivity, was visited by the stars of the Hapoel Beer Sheeva Footbal Club.

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So happy to see Eitan Yehlomi smiling...

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10 minutes ago
Process to hand over hostages to Red Cross has begun
By Jackie Salo

The process has begun to hand over hostages set for release Wednesday to the Red Cross, according to Israeli media.

Hamas has started to transfer the group, which is expected to include 12 hostages, the Jerusalem Post reported.

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At least 1 American hostage expected to be released today: report
By Jackie Salo

At least one American hostage is expected to be released from Hamas captivity Wednesday, according to a report.

Two sources told CNN that a US citizen will be among the 12 hostages freed in the exchange.

The group is expected to also include two hostages with Russian citizenship.

Hamas said the pair, who also have Israeli citizenship, were being freed as a gesture to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

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29 minutes ago
Germany busts terror attack with synagogue as possible target
By David Spector

A 15-year-old was arrested in Germany for planning a terrorist attack which could possibly have targeted a synagogue, the Times of Israel reports.

Two teenagers were reportedly planning an attack on "infidels" and allegedly had a synagogue or Christmas market in their sites.

Germany’s domestic intelligence agency said the terror threat in their country had escalated after Hamas October 7 attacks.

“The danger is real and higher than it has been for a long time,” the agency said.

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Israel wants the land without the people

You mean the land that Israel gave up multiple times?  That land?  Israel already won that land fair and square in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973.  And each and every time, they gave that land back to the Palestinians.  Stop posting lies on this forum.