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Re: WATCH: Ron DeSantis Kills It on Bill Maher, Has the Lib Audience Cheering
« Reply #150 on: October 02, 2023, 07:20:11 am »


I’d like to think that after this experience, they at least have a healthy skepticism when it comes to some of the claims that Donald Trump has made and, going forward, will verify them before repeating them

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« Reply #151 on: October 02, 2023, 07:24:49 am »
And the Trump stupidity just keeps rolling on.

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Re: WATCH: Ron DeSantis Kills It on Bill Maher, Has the Lib Audience Cheering
« Reply #152 on: October 02, 2023, 07:30:29 am »

He joined the Navy as a lawyer. Same thing as draft-dodging while wearing a uniform. Hell,a lot of people saw that as legalized draft-dodging.

Despicable comment!!!!!

Thanks for really showing your stripes and true colors.  I doubt you now have any respect from anyone here anymore.  Keep up the good work.  /s
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Re: WATCH: Ron DeSantis Kills It on Bill Maher, Has the Lib Audience Cheering
« Reply #153 on: October 02, 2023, 07:57:55 am »
Hope springs eternal.

I know… Lol

In just this one thread, 4 claims have been exposed as either outright lies or gross exaggerations. Imagine an hour on a debate stage.

And this doesn’t just apply to Donald Trump. All claims by ALL candidate should be verified. If Ron DeSantis claims that he would’ve fired Anthony Fauci, but there’s a statement made by him in 2020 praising him, that’s absolutely fair to point that out.
But Ron DeSantis is willing to debate and risk that being exposed. Donald Trump wants his safe space

You would think that the one Republican candidate running, who has done more to help Democrats get elected, either directly through donations, or indirectly, by being in politics, would be eager to defend his record against scrutiny if he thought everything he did was the best ever
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« Reply #154 on: October 02, 2023, 08:02:27 am »
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He joined the Navy as a lawyer. Same thing as draft-dodging while wearing a uniform. Hell,a lot of people saw that as legalized draft-dodging.

:mauslaff:

Says the guy who supports the draft dodger who paid a Queens podiatrist to lie and say he had bone spurs on his heels so he could get out of the actual draft for Vietnam.

Trump was suckering guys like you even back then.  You went to Vietnam; he got a medical exemption for fake bone spurs on his heels.

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Re: WATCH: Ron DeSantis Kills It on Bill Maher, Has the Lib Audience Cheering
« Reply #155 on: October 02, 2023, 08:05:14 am »
:mauslaff:

Says the guy who supports the draft dodger who paid a Queens podiatrist to lie and say he had bone spurs on his heels so he could get out of the actual draft for Vietnam.

Trump was suckering guys like you even back then.  You went to Vietnam; he got a medical exemption for fake bone spurs on his heels.

Hard to counter the bat-shit delusional logic we see here sometimes.   Seems like hypnosis or something that has clouded political judgment
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Re: WATCH: Ron DeSantis Kills It on Bill Maher, Has the Lib Audience Cheering
« Reply #156 on: October 02, 2023, 08:07:31 am »
Hard to counter the bat-shit delusional logic we see here sometimes.   Seems like hypnosis or something that has clouded political judgment

It's cult behaviour, and they are members of the Trump cult of personality.

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Re: WATCH: Ron DeSantis Kills It on Bill Maher, Has the Lib Audience Cheering
« Reply #157 on: October 02, 2023, 08:18:10 am »
Despicable comment!!!!!

Thanks for really showing your stripes and true colors.  I doubt you now have any respect from anyone here anymore.  Keep up the good work.  /s

@catfish1957

I guess the truth hurts?

Funny,back during the VN war people joined the Navy  and bragged about doing it to avoid going to  VN.

I had a friend in SOG that was a highly decorated combat vet that got out of the army and then enlisted in the Navy and ended up becoming the COB on  nuke sub.

I am more than a little claustrophobic,and there is no way in HELL you would ever get ME on a submarine. Got nervous flying on any USAF aircraft that didn't have windows. Didn't need a window seat,I just needed to know there were windows available unless the crew chief would lower the ramp a little once airborne.
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Re: WATCH: Ron DeSantis Kills It on Bill Maher, Has the Lib Audience Cheering
« Reply #158 on: October 02, 2023, 08:23:52 am »
BullBush. Anybody  that tries to compare support troops in the rear who almost never leave their compounds with infantrymen is either a fool,or knows nothing about warfare. He was probably as likely  to get killed in a car accident back home as he was playing at being a soldier for the Navy.

Equating a guy who volunteered to serve in a combat aread during a time of war when there was no draft, to a Vietnam War draft dodger is rather...sickening.

Some people just can't tolerate an unpleasant truth. You just go ahead and worship your "hero" if that is all it takes to impress you.

*I* suspect the truth is you would be no more impressed than I am if it were anyone else. Providing,of course,you  understand what being an infantryman in combat even means.

The problem is you twist yourself in pretzels (hypocritically) defending a rich dude who never, ever went in the military in any form.

(P.S.:  I am not one who thinks MIL is the end-all be-all, or is a requirement for elected office as many have tried to say over the last decades.  We wouldn’t have a Margaret Thatcher if that were required.  It’s the hypocrisy I despise.)

Klintoon was an easy obvious target, but Dems of course generally “loathed” the MIL so they didn’t mind ignoring his failures at such.

Then Dems tried to pillory Bush for “only” doing NG service.  Repubs stated it’s better than nothing.

Well here is your better than nothing.

In fact, my best friend’s husband was an intelligence officer in Iraq, way back.  Yes, we all realize he didn’t have to be facing down bullets, but he was THERE.  Hell, the “contractors” were there, to get killed though they were not soldiers.  These people were in the combat zone.

Which is more than can be said for Mr. Trump.

Let’s at least give Ron that over Don.
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Re: WATCH: Ron DeSantis Kills It on Bill Maher, Has the Lib Audience Cheering
« Reply #159 on: October 02, 2023, 08:24:06 am »
I think some of you need to get with the times

We live in a time of self identification and opposite. Men can be women. Women can be men.

So it seems fitting for the times that a man who volunteers for the military and serves inside a country at war is really the draft dodger, while the man who avoided military service in a time of war is the real hero

I could care less if Donald Trump grew his hair long, cranked Jefferson Airplane, and burned his draft card. That was a different time and we’re in the 21st-century.

But if his supporters want to diminish Ron DeSantis’s military service, well, then they leave them selves open for the mocking their guy is going to get for avoiding military service
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Re: WATCH: Ron DeSantis Kills It on Bill Maher, Has the Lib Audience Cheering
« Reply #160 on: October 02, 2023, 08:26:43 am »
:mauslaff:

Says the guy who supports the draft dodger who paid a Queens podiatrist to lie and say he had bone spurs on his heels so he could get out of the actual draft for Vietnam.

Trump was suckering guys like you even back then.  You went to Vietnam; he got a medical exemption for fake bone spurs on his heels.

@Kamaji

Shows how much you understand. I not only had to volunteer to go to VN,I had to cheat by contacting the woman in DC that handled SF assignments to put my  name on a levy list. Got her name and phone number from a SGM I knew. Seems like EVERYBODY in SF wanted to go to VN,and half the people sent there extended for more than one tour.

BTW,I had and have ZERO problems with people who didn't want to go to VN. If they didn't want to be there,I damn sure didn't want them there and have to rely on them for anything. If you didn't want to be there,I didn't want you there with me,regardless of the reasons you  had.

BTW,one of my half-brothers joined the Navy during the VN war to avoid the draft. The other two were too old to be drafted. He was stationed on an aircraft carrier and ended up becoming a commercial pilot after serving,and ended up retiring from TWA.

We are NOT all "the same people,with some of us just looking different". Life is an individual thing.

But you just go ahead and keep thinking what you want to think if that's what makes  you  happy  and justifies your ego. No skin off MY nose.
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Re: WATCH: Ron DeSantis Kills It on Bill Maher, Has the Lib Audience Cheering
« Reply #161 on: October 02, 2023, 08:28:16 am »
Hard to counter the bat-shit delusional logic we see here sometimes.   Seems like hypnosis or something that has clouded political judgment

@catfish1957

You should know.

Look in a mirror.
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Re: WATCH: Ron DeSantis Kills It on Bill Maher, Has the Lib Audience Cheering
« Reply #162 on: October 02, 2023, 08:29:05 am »
@Kamaji

Shows how much you understand. I not only had to volunteer to go to VN,I had to cheat by contacting the woman in DC that handled SF assignments to put my  name on a levy list. Got her name and phone number from a SGM I knew. Seems like EVERYBODY in SF wanted to go to VN,and half the people sent there extended for more than one tour.

BTW,I had and have ZERO problems with people who didn't want to go to VN. If they didn't want to be there,I damn sure didn't want them there and have to rely on them for anything. If you didn't want to be there,I didn't want you there with me,regardless of the reasons you  had.

BTW,one of my half-brothers joined the Navy during the VN war to avoid the draft. The other two were too old to be drafted. He was stationed on an aircraft carrier and ended up becoming a commercial pilot after serving,and ended up retiring from TWA.

We are NOT all "the same people,with some of us just looking different". Life is an individual thing.

But you just go ahead and keep thinking what you want to think if that's what makes  you  happy  and justifies your ego. No skin off MY nose.

:mauslaff:

Trump was a draft dodger, pure and simple, so why aren't you holding that against him the way you seem to hold DeSantis ACTUAL SERVICE against him?

Because you're a hypocrite, and a Trump fan-boi cult member, that's why.

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Re: WATCH: Ron DeSantis Kills It on Bill Maher, Has the Lib Audience Cheering
« Reply #163 on: October 02, 2023, 08:29:58 am »
It's cult behaviour, and they are members of the Trump cult of personality.

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Yeah,causen  all Trump supporters must be Nazi Communists,huh?

Not MY fault you support a posing pile of Biden that is a backstabbing little bitch.
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Re: WATCH: Ron DeSantis Kills It on Bill Maher, Has the Lib Audience Cheering
« Reply #164 on: October 02, 2023, 08:34:35 am »
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Yeah,causen  all Trump supporters must be Nazi Communists,huh?

Not MY fault you support a posing pile of Biden that is a backstabbing little bitch.

:mauslaff:

No, you're a laughing-stock because you're so ridiculously hypocritical; you're a mindless sheep following a pied-piper whose every lie you lap up and treat as Truth from God.  Nazis and communists at least had a coherent world-view, whatever else one can criticize them for.

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« Reply #165 on: October 02, 2023, 08:40:08 am »
I’m beside myself. How can I support a guy whose boots curl up at the toes?
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Re: WATCH: Ron DeSantis Kills It on Bill Maher, Has the Lib Audience Cheering
« Reply #166 on: October 02, 2023, 09:11:48 am »
BullBush. Anybody  that tries to compare support troops in the rear who almost never leave their compounds with infantrymen...

...which nobody did. 

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He was probably as likely  to get killed in a car accident back home as he was playing at being a soldier for the Navy.

After I got off active duty, I became a lawyer.  About a decade later, 9/11 happened, and a local Marine reserve unit that was activated had a lot of Marines with no Powers of Attorney or Wills.  So myself and I couple other lawyers I knew went down there a couple of weekends and did them - obviously for free - for about 110 Marines at the Headquarters and Service Company, 3rd Battalion, 25th Marines.  Not "03's", which are our infantry.  You know, the kind of folks you just mocked for being at no more risk than people sitting at home.

In the summer of 2005, 20 of them were killed in the span of 2 days in two separate IED incidents that summer. 

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4783782

I've still got my file copies of the 8 dead Marines whose wills and powers of attorney I personally did, and that I was required to keep.  I should get rid of them because they were only the copies for my files and obviously of no use to anyone anymore , but I just can't.

Those are the people you just compared to Vietnam draft dodgers.  I suspect their families feel differently.

So screw you, @sneakypete
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« Reply #167 on: October 02, 2023, 10:03:58 am »
If strawman arguments and digging your own hole was an Olympic sport, sneakyPete would win the gold. It wouldn’t be close.

Nobody suggested that Ron DeSantis was in direct combat. But  to suggest that his military service is closer to draft dodging than what Donald Trump did is so absurd that there’s no way you can engage such nonsense. How somebody comes to that reasoning is beyond anything that’s remotely comprehendible

Good God Almighty!! We’ve seen a continuation of Trumpian style talking points that were proven to be gross exaggerations or outright falsehoods and I will guarantee that the people who made them will make them again at some point. So they get you sucked into nonsense such as somebody’s cowboy boots.



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« Reply #168 on: October 02, 2023, 10:06:24 am »
I spent Saturday morning at a bridge dedication memorializing a local man who had been killed during the Vietnam conflict. He was a Boatswain's Mate Third Class. So yes, Navy.

From the press release:

“In the early morning hours of June 3, 1969, the Australian aircraft carrier Melbourne collided with the American destroyer Frank E. Evans (DD-754) during a training exercise in the South China Sea, splitting the ship in half and causing the drowning deaths of 74 American sailors.

Name NOT included on Vietnam Veteran Memorial wall in Washington DC as the USS Frank E Evans was outside the combat zone conducting training exercises. Had previously served in the Vietnam combat zone.”


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« Reply #169 on: October 02, 2023, 10:12:28 am »
...which nobody did. 

After I got off active duty, I became a lawyer.  About a decade later, 9/11 happened, and a local Marine reserve unit that was activated had a lot of Marines with no Powers of Attorney or Wills.  So myself and I couple other lawyers I knew went down there a couple of weekends and did them - obviously for free - for about 110 Marines at the Headquarters and Service Company, 3rd Battalion, 25th Marines.  Not "03's", which are our infantry.  You know, the kind of folks you just mocked for being at no more risk than people sitting at home.

In the summer of 2005, 20 of them were killed in the span of 2 days in two separate IED incidents that summer. 

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4783782

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They were murdered,NOT  killed in combat.

I've still got my file copies of the 8 dead Marines whose wills and powers of attorney I personally did, and that I was required to keep.  I should get rid of them because they were only the copies for my files and obviously of no use to anyone anymore , but I just can't.

Those are the people you just compared to Vietnam draft dodgers. I suspect their families feel differently.

No,they are people I described as non-combatants. YOU  are the one that tagged them as draft dodgers in order to solidify  your comment and support of the loser you support.

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So screw you, @sneakypete

Not MY fault you can't understand the difference between support troops and combat troops,or between  being murdered or killed in combat. THAT is on you.
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« Reply #170 on: October 02, 2023, 10:43:59 am »
Smile @sneakypete you'll feel much better.  happy77

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« Reply #171 on: October 02, 2023, 10:49:47 am »
Smile @sneakypete you'll feel much better.  happy77

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Apparently, @sneakypete can't tell the difference between actual combat troops and rich, entitled draft dodgers like Donald Trump.

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« Reply #172 on: October 02, 2023, 12:18:23 pm »
Donald Trump's draft number was 356.  The draft did NOT take folks up to that number.  He was not a draft dodger.

DeSantis served.  He put time in, and while not in combat he served our nation.

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« Reply #173 on: October 02, 2023, 12:33:06 pm »
Donald Trump's draft number was 356.  The draft did NOT take folks up to that number.  He was not a draft dodger.

DeSantis served.  He put time in, and while not in combat he served our nation.

Trump got a medical exemption/deferment due to bone spurs, which was an attempt to dodge the draft.  The fact that they never made it up to his number doesn't change the fact that he tried to dodge the draft.

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« Reply #174 on: October 02, 2023, 12:33:53 pm »
Donald Trump's draft number was 356.  The draft did NOT take folks up to that number.  He was not a draft dodger.

DeSantis served.  He put time in, and while not in combat he served our nation.

Didn't the birthday draft numbers change annually? Or was it just the year you turned 18.  Yeah, I am old enough to remember those ping pong balls.

And oddly, every guy, indluding myself born in 1957,1958, or 1959 were not even required, or even encouraged to register.
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