BREAKING>>Trump indicted on the document scandal

[corbe]

Everybody knows Leonard Cohen


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_cHeycad64

[Timber Rattler]

  Jesse Watters does a pretty good job here -----

"Joe Biden is having Donald Trump ARRESTED! But, EVERYONE has the law wrong!" (Video)

Gotta love the amateur lawyering and wishcasting going on in Trumpworld this weekend.

[LMAO]

Gotta love the amateur lawyering and wishcasting going on in Trumpworld this weekend.

They’re looking for any hope in a hopeless situation. But it seems with every mess Trump gets himself into, according to his MAGAs, it’s the law that’s wrong. Trump has no responsibility for his actions



Now we have to hope if he’s the nominee he doesn’t cost us downticket races along with his WH loss

[Idiot]

They’re looking for any hope in a hopeless situation. But it seems with every mess Trump gets himself into, according to his MAGAs, it’s the law that’s wrong. Trump has no responsibility for his actions



Now we have to hope if he’s the nominee he doesn’t cost us downticket races along with his WH loss

He will.

[Bigun]

Gotta love the amateur lawyering and wishcasting going on in Trumpworld this weekend.

Can you enlighten me as to when ANY former president has EVER been prosecuted for ANYTHING under the Espionage Act @Timber Rattler @LMAO I'll wait

[Hoodat]

Can we finally arrest Marie Yovanovitch and put her on trial for perjury now?

[Bigun]

They haven't.  Can you admit how stupid it was of Trump to talk about the classified documents he had in his possession, that he really wasn't supposed to have?

I have NEVER once argued against the fact that Trump needs to learn when to keep his damned mouth shut but that has nothing to do with being prosecuted for something that carries no criminal penalty.

[Idiot]

I have NEVER once argued against the fact that Trump needs to learn when to keep his damned mouth shut but that has nothing to do with being prosecuted for something that carries no criminal penalty.

[LMAO]

Can you enlighten me as to when ANY former president has EVER been prosecuted for ANYTHING under the Espionage Act @Timber Rattler @LMAO I'll wait

None

And that’s what I mean that I’m at least sympathetic to the fact that it seems like Donald Trump and his supporters get the full application of the law

But it still doesn’t let Donald Trump off the hook. And he is going to get something out of this. He’s not gonna get off Scott free.

Then there’s the court of public opinion. Secondary to millions of Hillary voter staying home in 2016 because they thought she had the election in the bag, I believe another thing that cost Hillary Clinton the election was mishandling of classified documents
 If Donald Trump mishandles classified documents as an ex president, he’s not gonna be very convincing to the public at large that he would be more careful if he’s reelected to the White House

[Idiot]

None

And that’s what I mean that I’m at least sympathetic to the fact that it seems like Donald Trump and his supporters get the full application of the law

But it still doesn’t let Donald Trump off the hook. And he is going to get something out of this. He’s not gonna get off Scott free.

Then there’s the court of public opinion. Secondary to millions of Hillary voter staying home in 2016 because they thought she had the election in the bag, I believe another thing that cost Hillary Clinton the election was mishandling of classified documents

I don't think democrats really care what she did, they'd vote for her no matter what she's done.  The same is true for the MAGA cult, which is dwindling.

[Bigun]

None

And that’s what I mean that I’m at least sympathetic to the fact that it seems like Donald Trump and his supporters get the full application of the law

But it still doesn’t let Donald Trump off the hook. And he is going to get something out of this. He’s not gonna get off Scott free.

Then there’s the court of public opinion. Secondary to millions of Hillary voter staying home in 2016 because they thought she had the election in the bag, I believe another thing that cost Hillary Clinton the election was mishandling of classified documents
 If Donald Trump mishandles classified documents as an ex president, he’s not gonna be very convincing to the public at large that he would be more careful if he’s reelected to the White House

Until we have a solid rule of law again, NOTHING else matters.

[LMAO]

I don't think democrats really care what she did, they'd vote for her no matter what she's done.  The same is true for the MAGA cult, which is dwindling.

Hillary Clinton should’ve been charged. But because our DOJ is so corrupt, she got to walk doing something everybody else would get charged for.

[LMAO]

Until we have a solid rule of law again, NOTHING else matters.

And this is the other half of the problem. It isn’t just Donald Trump. It’s a thoroughly corrupt department of justice.

[Bigun]

Hillary Clinton should’ve been charged. But because our DOJ is so corrupt, she got to walk doing something everybody else would get charged for.

Correct! And Donald John Trump never really got a chance to be president for the exact same reason!

[Bigun]

And therein lies the problem.  People who would normally voice their concerns about what is happening are scared sh$tless about opening their mouths for fear of the govt coming after them.  That's why if Trump ends up going to jail, there will be very few people that will actually protest it.

[Hoodat]

Can you enlighten me as to when ANY former president has EVER been prosecuted for ANYTHING under the Espionage Act

This has nothing to do with the Espionage Act.  It has everything to do with the 'Democrats Making It Up As You Go Act'.  There is no legal basis for this.

[LMAO]

The thing that Donald Trump and many of his supporters don’t seem to understand is their passion for Donald Trump does not equal electoral success. We have posters here who state they want somebody who just throws bombs and they want Donald Trump unleashed should he get reelected
 
That’s why this hint of violence on behalf of Donald Trump is not only disturbing to me, but I can guarantee you that the Democrats are going to use that to their advantage. And Kari Lake’s veiled threat this isn’t a blogger. This was a former gubernatorial candidate for a state.

Even Adolf Hitler, after his failed Beer hall putsch, learned that violence and violent rhetoric wouldn’t work so he then understood that he had to work inside the system and create the alliances if he had any hope to enact the changes that he advocated for. Of course, many of those alliances that helped bring him to power later regretted it.

[Hoodat]

Correct! And Donald John Trump never really got a chance to be president for the exact same reason!

That's on him.  He never should have sided with the Swamp.  He is a very small fish in a gargantuan pond with zero clue what to do to fix it.

[Hoodat]

That's why if Trump ends up going to jail, there will be very few people that will actually protest it.

I will be one.  Voting for DeSantis in the primary.

[Bigun]

That's on him.  He never should have sided with the Swamp.  He is a very small fish in a gargantuan pond with zero clue what to do to fix it.

No! It isn't on him! It's on YOU and ME and everyone else who stood around and let it happen! @Hoodat

[LMAO]

I will be one.  Voting for DeSantis in the primary.

As will I.

And then, should he win the presidency, keep my fingers crossed and hope he doesn’t disappoint

[LMAO]

No! It isn't on him! It's on YOU and ME and everyone else who stood around and let it happen! @Hoodat

Donald Trump does assist in creating his own messes. But many of these federal bureaucracies desperately need to be reigned in and reformed. Because they will just continue to grow and grow and I don’t know who that person is that will do it. I just know it’s not Donald Trump.

So if one wants to know why cutting spending and reducing the size of the federal government is so important to conservatives, here you go

We are also a nation of laws. But we’re becoming a nation of suggestions unless you have the wrong political views

[DB]

Until we have a solid rule of law again, NOTHING else matters.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[DB]

Correct! And Donald John Trump never really got a chance to be president for the exact same reason!

Trump had a mandate to clean up government when he was elected. He flushed it all down the toilet with "Hillary suffered enough" and surrounding himself with well known swamp creatures the day he was elected. He had no team of his own ready to go. He was totally unprepared. He had his chance and failed. It is time for someone else.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

No! It isn't on him! It's on YOU and ME and everyone else who stood around and let it happen! @Hoodat

No, it's on us who voted him into the primary. His mediocre performance during his Presidency is on him.

[sneakypete]

The thing that Donald Trump and many of his supporters don’t seem to understand is their passion for Donald Trump does not equal electoral success. We have posters here who state they want somebody who just throws bombs and they want Donald Trump unleashed should he get reelected
 
That’s why this hint of violence on behalf of Donald Trump is not only disturbing to me, but I can guarantee you that the Democrats are going to use that to their advantage. And Kari Lake’s veiled threat this isn’t a blogger. This was a former gubernatorial candidate for a state.

Even Adolf Hitler, after his failed Beer hall putsch, learned that violence and violent rhetoric wouldn’t work so he then understood that he had to work inside the system and create the alliances if he had any hope to enact the changes that he advocated for. Of course, many of those alliances that helped bring him to power later regretted it.

@LMAO

Got your panties all in a wad,Princess?

You are NOT stupid,and you do NOT seriously think we are talking about throwing ACTUAL bombs.

Ever heard of "VERBAL Bombs",Tinkerbell?

[sneakypete]

As will I.

And then, should he win the presidency, keep my fingers crossed and hope he doesn’t disappoint

@LMAO


Truthfully,that's all any of us can do regardless of who we vote for.

[libertybele]

One of my concerns right now is Trump's safety.  This is his 2nd indictment. Will there be a 3rd??? 

There is no way that they are going to let him run again.

[LMAO]

@LMAO

Got your panties all in a wad,Princess?

You are NOT stupid,and you do NOT seriously think we are talking about throwing ACTUAL bombs.

Ever heard of "VERBAL Bombs",Tinkerbell?

Lol

I know that it doesn’t mean actual bombs. My point was just wanting a bomb thrower, the term you used, doesn’t accomplish anything except upset the commenters at MSNBC

I have not seen any poster here that has called for violence or hinted at it. But there are people out in the blogosphere that are and it is disturbing

[libertybele]

Lol

I know that it doesn’t mean actual bombs. My point was just wanting a bomb thrower, the term you used, doesn’t accomplish anything except upset the commenters at MSNBC

I have not seen any poster here that has called for violence or hinted at it. But there are people out in the blogosphere that are and it is disturbing

Are indeed people on the right calling for violence or is it the left making false accusations to create an insurrection?  Never ever discount what the left is capable of.  After all, J6 was planned by leftists.  Then we have Antifa, BLM, and Trump haters and others who have caused massive destruction. They want to live by mob rule and have absolutely no regard for the rule of law.

[LMAO]

Are indeed people on the right calling for violence or is it the left making false accusations to create an insurrection?  Never ever discount what the left is capable of.  After all, J6 was planned by leftists.  Then we have Antifa, BLM, and Trump haters and others who have caused massive destruction. They want to live by mob rule and have absolutely no regard for the rule of law.

Some of the call for violence could be coming from the left. But if it is, it’s a small number

And we need to stop with this January 6 was orchestrated by leftists nonsense.  Nobody is buying it. The Minnesota governor tried to claim that the rioters in Minneapolis were white supremists and nobody bought that either.

[libertybele]

Some of the call for violence could be coming from the left. But if it is, it’s a small number

And we need to stop with this January 6 was orchestrated by leftists nonsense.  Nobody is buying it. The Minnesota governor tried to claim that the rioters in Minneapolis were white supremists and nobody bought that either.

@LMAO Perhaps you would like it if people stopped saying that J6 was orchestrated, but there were videos indicating otherwise.

[Bigun]

And we need to stop with this January 6 was orchestrated by leftists nonsense.  Nobody is buying it.

What makes you think it's nonsense? And why do you think no one is buying it?

I happen to believe you are very wrong on both.

[LMAO]

What makes you think it's nonsense? And why do you think no one is buying it?

I happen to believe you are very wrong on both.

You’re entitled to believe what you want. But it doesn’t make it so.

So some of you really believe that everybody who rioted on J6 was a leftist?? Lol… good luck selling that

[LMAO]

@LMAO Perhaps you would like it if people stopped saying that J6 was orchestrated, but there were videos indicating otherwise.

Because it sounds just as ridiculous as the Minnesota governor claiming that people that were arrested rioting in Minneapolis were white supremacists

But keep selling that to the public

What some of you are doing is to take one or two incidences that are questionable, and then believe that that discredits everything else

I think the Ray Epps aspect of January 6 is a curiosity and deserves more investigation. But I do not buy that everybody who rioted on January 6 was an undercover FBI or antifa member. That’s just nonsense.

[Bigun]

You’re entitled to believe what you want. But it doesn’t make it so.

So some of you really believe that everybody who rioted on J6 was a leftist?? Lol… good luck selling that

 

I have heard no such thing and certainly never said it. What I have said, and will continue to say, is that it was ALL orchestrated by the left.

[sneakypete]

Lol

I know that it doesn’t mean actual bombs. My point was just wanting a bomb thrower, the term you used, doesn’t accomplish anything except upset the commenters at MSNBC

I have not seen any poster here that has called for violence or hinted at it. But there are people out in the blogosphere that are and it is disturbing

@LMAO

My apologies for misunderstanding you.

As for the part in bold,we are in complete agreement.

[LMAO]

@LMAO

My apologies for misunderstanding you.

As for the part in bold,we are in complete agreement.

 

We’ll fight again later .

But I am glad to see that you’re not defending this violent rhetoric. And even though we trade some shots at each other, I think you’ll find that we are in more agreement than  not.

[LMAO]

I have heard no such thing and certainly never said it. What I have said, and will continue to say, is that it was ALL orchestrated by the left.

So it was the left that tweeted this before Jan 6?

“Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election," he tweeted. "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"

I’m not saying that everybody who supports Donald Trump is a violent maniac. In fact, a big majority are not

Butvgroups tend to be defined by their most radical members. And, like it or not, but Donald Trump and his supporters have a very hostile press that will amplify what the small number of people say and do on behalf of Trump. And these people who are calling for violence after this latest Trump indictment may end defining all Republican candidates

[sneakypete]

Some of the call for violence could be coming from the left. But if it is, it’s a small number

And we need to stop with this January 6 was orchestrated by leftists nonsense.  Nobody is buying it. The Minnesota governor tried to claim that the rioters in Minneapolis were white supremists and nobody bought that either.

@LMAO

Who  do you think was behind it?

Asking because I not only don't know,but don't even remember what happened.

[Bigun]

So it was the left that tweeted this before Jan 6?

“Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election," he tweeted. "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"

NO! But the left damned sure made full use of the rally and managed to get a very good person and patriot MURDERED by the capitol police in the process!

I’m not saying that everybody who supports Donald Trump is a violent maniac. In fact, a big majority are not

Butvgroups tend to be defined by their most radical members. And, like it or not, but Donald Trump and his supporters have a very hostile press that will amplify what the small number of people say and do on behalf of Trump. And these people who are calling for violence after this latest Trump indictment may end defining all Republican candidates

Yes! Especially if we let the PRESS do the defining! At one time entire college courses were devoted to the subject of CRITICAL THINKING, now the subject is not on ANY syllabus that I'm aware of.

[Hoodat]

No! It isn't on him! It's on YOU and ME and everyone else who stood around and let it happen! @Hoodat

Just a reminder, the reason I was zotted from TOS back in 2016 is because I pointed out how Trump was in bed with the Swamp.  So no, this ain't on me, @Bigun

[cato potatoe]

BS! Name me ONE other person who has been prosecuted under this statute EVER

Trump exposed himself to prosecution through his egregious behavior.  His lawyers can file a motion dismiss, but what are the chances of that going anywhere?  Jack Smith is moving forward because he is confident of a relatively quick conviction in a less friendly venue. 

If you want Biden and Clinton punished, protecting Trump is not the way to go.  You need to nominate a candidate who is both capable of winning and determined to prosecute a former politician. 

[Bigun]

Trump exposed himself to prosecution through his egregious behavior.  His lawyers can file a motion dismiss, but what are the chances of that going anywhere?  Jack Smith is moving forward because he is confident of a relatively quick conviction in a less friendly venue. 

If you want Biden and Clinton punished, protecting Trump is not the way to go.  You need to nominate a candidate who is both capable of winning and determined to prosecute a former politician.

Not responsive to the question asked!

This is how ridiculous our government has become.

Only if you believe the Lawfare BS that the institutions have higher authority than the President of the United States. 

Institutions are not omnipotent entities; they are buildings and networks full of people who facilitate processes that are an outcome of policy.  Those buildings and offices are not the government. The elected politicians who we send to Washington DC are not subservient to the processes, norms and morays they determine within the bureaucracy that the politicians are in charge of.

[cato potatoe]

Not responsive to the question asked!

To what are you referring?  The Espionage Act of 1917?

[Kamaji]

BS! Name me ONE other person who has been prosecuted under this statute EVER @cato potatoe

On June 2nd former Mueller special counsel and impeachment operative, Andrew Weissmann and Norm Eisen respectively, published their current Trump prosecution memo [Read Here] using a novel and arcane interpretation of US Code 793. Four days later media began reporting from leaks within the Jack Smith special counsel of the main legal approach they were going to use against President Trump [citation]. What approach is Jack Smith taking, US Code 793! This is not coincidental.

A Philippine national named Michael Ray Aquino was prosecuted under 18 USC §793(e), and he pled guilty to the charge.  His case was discussed in the context of which sentencing guideline applied to him here:  https://casetext.com/case/us-v-aquino-11

[Bigun]

To what are you referring?  The Espionage Act of 1917?

 

[Kamaji]

Under the Obama and Trump administrations, at least eight Espionage Act prosecutions were related not to traditional espionage but either withholding information or communicating with members of the press.

Source:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917#21st_century

That same source lists a number of other recent prosecutions under the Espionage Act.