BREAKING>>Trump indicted on the document scandal

[DefiantMassRINO]

A Florida trial gives Trump a better chance for a hung jury.

[corbe]

   This ought be good for $10M in additional fundraising.  So expect more DeSantis (the only guy on record of a possible Trump pardon) slime ads very soon.

[bigheadfred]

Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointee, initially assigned to oversee his case: Sources

https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-aileen-cannon-trump-appointee-initially-assigned-oversee/story?id=99956910

[bigheadfred]

   This ought be good for $10M in additional fundraising.  So expect more DeSantis (the only guy on record of a possible Trump pardon) slime ads very soon.

Vivek said he would pardon Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-presidential-rival-vows-to-pardon-trump-if-elected-in-2024/ar-AA1cjpnf

[corbe]

   OPPS @bigheadfred I thought it was DeSantis.  I stand corrected, Thanks.

[mystery-ak]

 June 9, 2023 11:53am EDT
Trump, lawyers part ways after federal indictment
Trump was ordered to appear in federal court in Miami Tuesday after being indicted on at least seven counts

By Brooke Singman | Fox News

Former President Trump and two of his top attorneys representing him in Special Counsel Jack Smith's investigation parted ways Friday, just a day after he was indicted.

Trump, the current front-runner in the 2024 Republican presidential primary, was indicted on at least seven counts involving obstruction of justice, conspiracy, and illegal retention of classified government material. He has been ordered to appear in federal court in Miami on Tuesday. The indictment remains unsealed.

The lawyers representing him ahead of his indictment, Jim Trusty and John Rowley, resigned Friday.

"This morning we tendered our resignations as counsel to President Trump, and we will no longer represent him on either the indicted case or the January 6 investigation," Trusty and Rowley said in a statement Friday. "It has been an honor to have spent the last year defending him, and we know he will be vindicated in his battle against the Biden Administration’s partisan weaponization of the American justice system.

"Now that the case has been filed in Miami, this is a logical moment for us to step aside and let others carry the cases through to completion," they added. "We have no plans to hold media appearances that address our withdrawals or any other confidential communications we’ve had with the President or his legal team."

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-to-bring-on-new-legal-team-after-federal-indictment

[bigheadfred]

   OPPS @bigheadfred I thought it was DeSantis.  I stand corrected, Thanks.

A desantis statement from 12days ago. @corbe

"A big part of being president is pardon powers. Do you think the Jan. 6 defendants deserve to have their cases examined by a Republican president? And if Trump, let's say, gets charged with federal offenses and you are the president of the United States, would you look at potentially pardoning Trump himself based on the evidence that might emerge of those charges?" Travis asked DeSantis.

The governor did not mention either Trump or any specific Jan. 6 cases by name but indicated he was open to the idea.

"We will be aggressive [in] issuing pardons," he said, arguing that the Department of Justice and FBI had become "weaponized" to pursue political rather than law enforcement goals.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/asked-about-pardoning-trump-as-president-desantis-says-he-would-be-aggressive/ar-AA1bHF0T

[Timber Rattler]

I bet he blew up at them, blamed them for not stopping the indictment, and refused to pay their bills.

 

[libertybele]

A desantis statement from 12days ago. @corbe

"A big part of being president is pardon powers. Do you think the Jan. 6 defendants deserve to have their cases examined by a Republican president? And if Trump, let's say, gets charged with federal offenses and you are the president of the United States, would you look at potentially pardoning Trump himself based on the evidence that might emerge of those charges?" Travis asked DeSantis.

The governor did not mention either Trump or any specific Jan. 6 cases by name but indicated he was open to the idea.

"We will be aggressive [in] issuing pardons," he said, arguing that the Department of Justice and FBI had become "weaponized" to pursue political rather than law enforcement goals.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/asked-about-pardoning-trump-as-president-desantis-says-he-would-be-aggressive/ar-AA1bHF0T

I think DeSantis' intentions are correct, but how is he going to deal with all the swamp creatures??  I know that he has stated before that he would bring in people from the outside to deal with Garland's DOJ, but I'm not quite sure how that would work out.

[Timber Rattler]

Trump charged with 37 counts in classified documents case, indictment says

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/09/trump-indictment-in-classified-records-case-is-unsealed.html

The criminal indictment against Donald Trump over his handling of classified government records was unsealed Friday.

The 37-count indictment was made public a day after the former president was charged in the case by a grand jury in U.S. District Court in Miami.

Among other allegations, the indictment says Trump showed classified documents to other people in 2021, after leaving office.

Also charged in the indictment was Trump’s valet, Walter Nauta.

Trump is due to be arraigned in Miami on Tuesday, the day before his 77th birthday.

Thirty-one of the counts accuse Trump of willful retention of national defense information. He is also charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice; withholding a document or record; corruptly concealing a document or record; concealing a document in a federal investigation; scheme to conceal; and false statements and representations.

The indictment notes, “As he departed the White House, TRUMP caused scores of boxes, many of which contained classified documents, to be transported to The Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida, where he maintained his residence.”

“TRUMP was not authorized to possess or retain those classified documents,” the indictment says.

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1667228957421314048

[sneakypete]

https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1667228957421314048

@mystery-ak

Since Slow Joe seems to have no prior,or current knowledge about anything,I believe that

[MeshugeMikey]

37  counts .... felony counts .they are... thanks to donny trumps signing that bill in 2o18

[DB]

So Trump sat around a table with friends, while being recorded, and admitted to having classified documents.  You want to feel sorry for the guy, but crap he's stupid!

And he knew it was being recorded...

[sneakypete]

37  counts .... felony counts .they are... thanks to donny trumps signing that bill in 2o18

@Meshuge Mikey

You must be ecstatic and having multiple spontaneous orgasms.

I STARTED to type "Try  not to hurt yourself",but then I remembered what you are.

[sneakypete]

So Trump sat around a table with friends, while being recorded, and admitted to having classified documents.  You want to feel sorry for the guy, but crap he's stupid!

@Jack Russell

You don't think every other President in history has done this?

Hell,Biden  still has stacks of them stored in his garage,and who knows where else?

[sneakypete]

And he knew it was being recorded...

@DB

He also knew that he was the President of the US at that time,and that every other President had done the same thing.

Or maybe you think that Presidents work 8 hour days and go home to party after the buzzer rings?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Robert Barnes
@barnes_law

Any executive branch document created before or during a Presidency is the President's to do with as he pleases. That's the point of The Presidential Records Act. It has to be that way to keep Constitutional power in the hands of the only elected official of the executive branch.

7:26 PM · Jun 9, 2023

[libertybele]

Continued prayers for Trump.  He's going to need them; praying that he has the physical and mental stamina needed to face this ordeal.

Prayers up for the Trump family as well; especially Barron and Melania.  This can't be easy on them.

[libertybele]

@DB

He also knew that he was the President of the US at that time,and that every other President had done the same thing.

Or maybe you think that Presidents work 8 hour days and go home to party after the buzzer rings?

@sneakypete IIRC the recordings did not take place while he was President rather they took place afterwards and that is a whole other issue.

IF he doesn't have a good defense and attorneys prepare yourself for him actually being sentenced.  Lord only knows what the reaction is going to be from the country.  Yes, past president have done similar things -- but remember, they are not the ones under indictment. 

Most of us can see that this is being done to prevent him from running; something that I expected.  The left will not stop until he either steps away from running or is behind bars.

[mystery-ak]

Dershowitz: Dems Who Opposed ‘Dangerous’ and ‘Unconstitutional’ Espionage Act Now ‘Rooting for it to Be Applied Broadly’

Ian Hanchett 9 Jun 2023

On Friday’s broadcast of Newsmax TV’s “The Record,” Harvard Law Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz commented on the indictment against former President Donald Trump and the Espionage Act charges contained in the indictment by saying that the Espionage Act “is one of the most dangerous and unconstitutional statutes ever passed” that was passed with the intent to jail dissidents. And that for several decades, “every liberal, every progressive, every Democrat I know was against this statute” but now they are “all rooting for it to be applied broadly to conduct that has nothing to do with espionage” and didn’t put national security at risk.

Dershowitz stated, “The Espionage Act is one of the most dangerous and unconstitutional statutes ever passed. [It was] passed by Woodrow Wilson in 1917 in order to imprison dissidents who were opposed to the war. Every civil libertarian, every liberal, every progressive, every Democrat I know was against this statute for the last 100 years. Now, they’re all rooting for it to be applied broadly to conduct that has nothing to do with espionage. There’s no allegation that he ever endangered national security or showed material to enemies or sold it to [enemies].”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/06/09/dershowitz-dems-who-opposed-dangerous-and-unconstitutional-espionage-act-now-rooting-for-it-to-be-applied-broadly/

[mystery-ak]

Dershowitz: Parts of Trump Indictment Are ‘Damning’ But Most Isn’t Different from what Hillary and Others Did

Ian Hanchett 9 Jun 2023

On Friday’s broadcast of Newsmax TV’s “The Record,” Harvard Law Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz stated that most of the indictment against former President Donald Trump alleges conduct that has “no difference” to “what Hillary Clinton and others have done,” but there are a couple “damning paragraphs” that Trump or his legal counsel are going to have to explain.

Host John Huddy asked, “So, is this a damning indictment against the former President? What do you think?”

Dershowitz responded, “Part of it is, part of it isn’t. The material about simply possessing classified material is not a damning indictment. We knew it was coming. The [Presidential] Records Act probably is at least a potential defense to that. There are two damning paragraphs, just two, paragraph 34 and paragraph 35, where they have tape recordings of the former President basically acknowledging that some of the papers that he possessed and showed to a writer — I’ll just read you — so ‘as President I could’ve declassified it. Now I can’t, you know, but this is still [a] secret.’ … So, I think this is a serious indictment on these two charges. Everything else I think is exactly what we expected. There’s no difference between that and what Hillary Clinton and others have done, not enough to justify this. It doesn’t meet what I call the Richard Nixon standard, which was very clear obstruction of justice, destroying evidence, paying bribes. This is too close a case to bring against a man running for president against the incumbent president. The only exception to that are these two paragraphs, and we’re going to have to hear an explanation from Trump’s lawyers or from Trump as to how he can justify having shown, to somebody who doesn’t have security clearance, allegedly some information about a plan to attack Iran.”

Dershowitz continued, “He may claim he didn’t show it to him, he just kind of waved it in front of him as part of his kind of bragging. But that’s something that will have to be explained. [Those are] the only two paragraphs that I think are new, novel, and dangerous to Donald Trump.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/06/09/dershowitz-parts-of-trump-indictment-are-damning-but-most-isnt-different-from-what-hillary-and-others-did/

[mystery-ak]

JONATHAN TURLEY: I know a lot of people have criticized [Jack] Smith for his background, but he's no Alvin Bragg. He's a serious prosecutor. The Alvin Bragg prosecution is a political prosecution. It is what Trump says it is. It is a weaponization of the criminal justice system, in my view. This is a different ball game.

After the indictment was unsealed Friday afternoon, Turley said on "America Reports" that the charges laid out are "extremely damning."

TURLEY: It is an extremely damning indictment. There are indictments that are sometimes called narrative or speaking indictments. These are indictments that are really meant to make a point as to the depth of the evidence. There are some indictments that are just bare bones. This is not. The special counsel knew that there would be a lot of people who were going to allege that the Department of Justice was acting in a biased or politically motivated way.

This is clearly an indictment that was drafted to answer those questions. It’s overwhelming in details. And, you know, the Trump team should not fool itself, these are hits below the waterline. These are witnesses who apparently testified under oath, gave statements to federal investigators, both of which can be criminally charged if they’re false. Those witnesses are directly quoting the president in encouraging others not to look for documents or allegedly to conceal them. It’s damaging.

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https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-trump-indictment-documents-whole-different-ballgame-jonathan-turley

[DB]

I have no reason to doubt Turley.

[DB]

@DB

He also knew that he was the President of the US at that time,and that every other President had done the same thing.

Or maybe you think that Presidents work 8 hour days and go home to party after the buzzer rings?

He wasn't president at that time.

[libertybele]

I've always believed and relied on Dershowitz's knowledge and accuracy of the law.

He has made a claim to damaging evidence.  I don't expect that Trump is going to escape these charges unscathed nor the 34 other charges against him. 

I think MAGA needs to be prepared and yes, most of this is a witch hunt, but I'll go with what Dershowitz said; some is very damaging.  That damaging evidence is on Trump.

[Idiot]

Robert Barnes
@barnes_law

Any executive branch document created before or during a Presidency is the President's to do with as he pleases. That's the point of The Presidential Records Act. It has to be that way to keep Constitutional power in the hands of the only elected official of the executive branch.

7:26 PM · Jun 9, 2023

Your candidate screwed up big time.  He's toast.

[Idiot]

Trump needs to drop out of the race, but he won't.

[libertybele]

Your candidate screwed up big time.  He's toast.

That's just on the 7 charges in the indictment; remember he was indicted on 34 other charges. 

I expect that he will be prosecuted.  To what extent is anyone's guess, but I think that they'll give him the maximum on as many charges as they can make stick.

He knew that they would be going after him .... bragging is in his character, but definitely not to his advantage.

I still consider this a witch hunt, but the recordings and bragging are damaging.

Things are not looking good for him.

[corbe]

   I guess Nixon would come close to DJT, as far as paranoid, egomaniac 'X' Presidents go. 
   He backed down twice; in the 60 election against JFK and the aftermath of Watergate. 
   Trump ain't no Nixon.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

Jack Poso
@JackPosobiec

Whole case comes down to Presidential Records Act. Can’t have any conspiracy, obstruction, etc if no underlying crime. What he said doesn’t matter, the boxes don’t matter, discussing moving or destruction doesn’t matter 🍌

5:09 PM · Jun 9, 2023

[Right_in_Virginia]

I still consider this a witch hunt, but the recordings and bragging are damaging.

Jack Poso
@JackPosobiec

Whole case comes down to Presidential Records Act. Can’t have any conspiracy, obstruction, etc if no underlying crime. What he said doesn’t matter, the boxes don’t matter, discussing moving or destruction doesn’t matter 🍌


5:09 PM · Jun 9, 2023

[Idiot]

Jack Poso
@JackPosobiec

Whole case comes down to Presidential Records Act. Can’t have any conspiracy, obstruction, etc if no underlying crime. What he said doesn’t matter, the boxes don’t matter, discussing moving or destruction doesn’t matter 🍌

5:09 PM · Jun 9, 2023

It sure says a lot about Trump's character, or lack thereof.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Your candidate screwed up big time.  He's toast.

Slow down and consider the alternative: ---- You get the fascist federal government you are counting on.

[libertybele]

   I guess Nixon would come close to DJT, as far as paranoid, egomaniac 'X' Presidents go. 
   He backed down twice; in the 60 election against JFK and the aftermath of Watergate. 
   Trump ain't no Nixon.

No Trump is still lucid.  Nixon started to mentally lose it (at least that is what was rumored).

I don't expect Trump to back down; unless mentally this takes such a toll on him he has no choice.

[corbe]

   Since the Prosecutor will convince Judge Canon that they can't provide most of the evidence because it would harm National Security, I'd say there's a reason why most Lawyers won't touch that.

       Stay Tuned for future episodes.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow

Importantly, the Presidential Records Act has NO criminal penalty because the Congress and Carter had no intention of criminalizing document retention matters.  And never before has the 1917 Espionage Act was never even discussed as applying to a former president.  There is no justification for criminalizing this matter against Trump.

6:28 PM · Jun 9, 2023

[Bigun]

Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow

Importantly, the Presidential Records Act has NO criminal penalty because the Congress and Carter had no intention of criminalizing document retention matters.  And never before has the 1917 Espionage Act was never even discussed as applying to a former president.  There is no justification for criminalizing this matter against Trump.

6:28 PM · Jun 9, 2023

I'm pretty darned sure I said much the same a few pages back @Right_in_Virginia

[sneakypete]

Continued prayers for Trump.  He's going to need them; praying that he has the physical and mental stamina needed to face this ordeal.

@libertybele
Are you kidding? He LIVES for this sort of thing. All it will do is get him more determined to kick butt  and shout names.

Prayers up for the Trump family as well; especially Barron and Melania.  This can't be easy on them.

I'm with ya on that one.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

IIRC the recordings did not take place while he was President rather they took place afterwards and that is a whole other issue.

@libertybele   My short-term memory sucks thanks to chemo brain,but HOW would he have been able to get his hands on them after he had left office?

IF he doesn't have a good defense and attorneys prepare yourself for him actually being sentenced.

Oh,he WILL have good attorneys,there can be no doubt  about that. The problem is likely to be he will want and insist on talking for himself,and you just can NOT do that sort of thing and be emotional in a Kangaroo court with  the odds already stacked against you.

 

Lord only knows what the reaction is going to be from the country.  Yes, past president have done similar things -- but remember, they are not the ones under indictment. 

We are all political junkies,and a VERY small percentage of the adult population. Add to that the FACT that the left controls 90+ percent of the media and  100 percent of the broadcast media,and it makes no difference what he or his lawyer says or th e quality  of the "evidence" used against him.

MOST people,including  most  career politicians would wimper and fold if facing a situation like this,but I honestly think that Trump loves it to death.

It is a basic part of human nature for us all to THINK  that everyone else thinks like we do and will agree with us,but this is not true in cases like this,so being bombastic will probablhplay in his favor with the non-dedicated Dim public.

NOT saying he is going to win because I honestly don't have a clue,but he was born to deal with drama like this. It keeps a smile on his face once the red from the anger fades.

Most of us can see that this is being done to prevent him from running; something that I expected.  The left will not stop until he either steps away from running or is behind bars.

I agree,but this is where the left made their mistake. They thought he would just "fold" like most of the innocent people they persecute,but he LOVES this sort of Biden.

I really think that MOST of the general public that pay any attention at all to the court drama that will emerge from this will be rooting for Trump.

ONLY the fools from the left can make a bombastic meglamanic/attention whore and turn him into a sympathic figure to the GENERAL PUBLIC.

Given the left's proven ability to steal votes and just create them out of thin air at the last moment,there is no  guarantee that he will win,but this will give him a chance to gave some more support.

AND.....,it  should be noted that he is already has a YUGE lead in the polls already. Which I KNOW is bound to make some "Miss Manners" heads here explode,but just be aware that heart pumps urine  for you "Miss Manners idiots."

Let's just hope it is all televised.

I think we can count on that. The network masters may had Trump because  he is standing in the way of "World Wide Gooberment,Inc",but they are going to LOVE the ratings and increased advertising fees they can get from airing it.

[sneakypete]

He wasn't president at that time.

@DB

OK,"ex-president",then.

Makes no difference because every ex-president in the history of the US has done the same or similar things.

Damn shame that Trump is the "shy and retiring kind of Presdient that hates conflicts",huh?

[Timber Rattler]

[DB]

Wow! A wee bit of irony there...

[sneakypete]

Gives  ya the "warm  and  fuzzies" to post that,doesn't it,comrade?

Ever stop to wonder WHY Trump is the only  former President in US history  to be charged with a crime for doing what every other US  President in history has done?

Of  course it hasn't

[LMAO]

I bet he blew up at them, blamed them for not stopping the indictment, and refused to pay their bills.

 

If history is any guide…

[LMAO]

Wow! A wee bit of irony there...

Lol

A little bit

[Right_in_Virginia]

I'm pretty darned sure I said much the same a few pages back @Right_in_Virginia

Yes, you did @Bigun   Sorry, I missed it.

[Right_in_Virginia]

   Jesse Watters does a pretty good job here -----

"Joe Biden is having Donald Trump ARRESTED! But, EVERYONE has the law wrong!" (Video)

https://twitter.com/JesseBWatters/status/1667323188722962433

[MeshugeMikey]

the use of the word EVERYONE......is a red flag  ....HEY....  EVERYBODY knows

[sneakypete]

the use of the word EVERYONE......is a red flag  ....HEY....  EVERYBODY knows

@MeshugeMikey

Did  your comrades over at "Huff and Puff and suck the man down" tell you to post that?