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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3350 on: June 25, 2024, 03:32:34 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on June 25, 2024, 03:05:53 pm
Considering centuries of Czarist and Leninist-Stalinist brutality and slaughter against various Tatar groups, I wonder how someone of Tatar ancestry could become Pro-Russian.
Maybe the same way that Hungarians who suffered under the Russian occupation still yearn for communism, my cousins husband is a huge communist in Hungary and real POS on top of it.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3351 on: June 25, 2024, 10:58:39 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3352 on: June 25, 2024, 11:01:08 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3353 on: June 25, 2024, 11:04:09 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3354 on: June 25, 2024, 11:06:59 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3355 on: June 25, 2024, 11:10:27 pm »
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« Reply #3356 on: June 25, 2024, 11:11:56 pm »
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« Reply #3357 on: June 25, 2024, 11:17:47 pm »
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« Reply #3358 on: June 25, 2024, 11:18:24 pm »
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« Reply #3359 on: June 25, 2024, 11:19:06 pm »
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« Reply #3360 on: June 25, 2024, 11:28:54 pm »
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« Reply #3361 on: June 25, 2024, 11:29:38 pm »
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« Reply #3362 on: June 25, 2024, 11:30:52 pm »
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« Reply #3363 on: June 25, 2024, 11:31:54 pm »
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« Reply #3364 on: June 25, 2024, 11:32:42 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3365 on: June 25, 2024, 11:34:41 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3366 on: June 25, 2024, 11:44:51 pm »
Ukraine Destroys 120 Drones in Strike on Russian UAV Training Center

AMIRA BARKHUSH  |  Jun 25, 2024  |  09:33

Ukraine’s Navy reported that its June 21 attack on places of storage and preparation of UAVs in Russia resulted in the destruction of 120 drones, including 70 attack drones and 50 reconnaissance drones.

The Naval Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in cooperation with the Security Service of Ukraine, damaged the objects of the military training ground of the 726th Air Defense Training Center, in Yeisk, Krasnodar Krai. This institution is engaged in the training of military personnel for the use of UAVs of various types.

As a result of the strike, 120 drones were destroyed:

  • “Shahed-136"/"Geran-2” — 20 units;

  • combat UAV “Lancet” — 50 units;

  • reconnaissance UAV “ZALA” — 40 units;

  • reconnaissance UAV “SuperCam” — 10 units

Casualties were also reported among the instructors and technical staff from Yelabuga.  .  .

https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-destroys-120-drones-in-strike-on-russian-uav-training-center-893
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3367 on: June 26, 2024, 06:17:00 am »
Seems that the new NATO munitions and intelligence assistance has finally arrived in Ukraine.

Meanwhile MTG is being an idiot again...

Marjorie Taylor Greene Claims Ukraine Fired on Civilian Beach: What We Know

https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-claims-ukraine-fired-civilian-beach-what-we-know-1917003

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Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene suggested that reported deaths and injuries on a civilian beach in Sevastopol were caused by cluster munitions fired by Ukrainian forces.

The Georgia Republican, who has taken a hardline stance against U.S. supply of aid to Ukraine, reposted on X, formerly Twitter, following news that five people were reportedly killed after Russians intercepted a missile over the city of Sevastopol in the Russian-annexed Crimea peninsula on Sunday.

The Russian Ministry of Defense blamed the U.S. over the incident, referring to the attack as "a heinous terrorist crime," adding that there was "no doubt about the involvement of the United States in this sinister crime."

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Greene reposted the claim and said: "This should not be happening. Imagine if Russia using a Russian satellite, fired cluster munitions on a Florida beach.

EXCERPT.

She's just a first class moron.

Who goes to the beach in the middle of a hot war zone anyway?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3368 on: June 26, 2024, 10:20:50 am »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on June 26, 2024, 06:17:00 am
Seems that the new NATO munitions and intelligence assistance has finally arrived in Ukraine.

Meanwhile MTG is being an idiot again...

Marjorie Taylor Greene Claims Ukraine Fired on Civilian Beach: What We Know

https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-claims-ukraine-fired-civilian-beach-what-we-know-1917003

EXCERPT.

She's just a first class moron.

Who goes to the beach in the middle of a hot war zone anyway?

As @Hoodat posted above, https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,499577.msg3034734.html#msg3034734 , what actually happened was that the Russians did actually manage to intercept some sort of Ukrainian missile, and the debris showered the water near the beach, with some pieces hitting the beach area.

Not that facts would matter to a Ukraine-Hater.

Who goes to the beach in the middle of a hot war zone anyway? I was wondering about that too, though it's not like Ukrainian shells, rockets, and missiles have been raining down on Sevastopol and other Crimean cities, reducing them to rubble the way Russia does to Ukrainian cities.
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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3369 on: June 26, 2024, 10:35:51 am »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on June 26, 2024, 10:20:50 am
As @Hoodat posted above, https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,499577.msg3034734.html#msg3034734 , what actually happened was that the Russians did actually manage to intercept some sort of Ukrainian missile, and the debris showered the water near the beach, with some pieces hitting the beach area.

Not that facts would matter to a Ukraine-Hater.

Who goes to the beach in the middle of a hot war zone anyway? I was wondering about that too, though it's not like Ukrainian shells, rockets, and missiles have been raining down on Sevastopol and other Crimean cities, reducing them to rubble the way Russia does to Ukrainian cities.
How odd that Russia repeatedly targeting and killing Ukraine civilians is not something they consider "a heinous terrorist crime,"...or something that bothers Greene.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3370 on: June 26, 2024, 12:23:09 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on June 26, 2024, 10:20:50 am
As @Hoodat posted above, https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,499577.msg3034734.html#msg3034734 , what actually happened was that the Russians did actually manage to intercept some sort of Ukrainian missile, and the debris showered the water near the beach, with some pieces hitting the beach area.

Not that facts would matter to a Ukraine-Hater.

Who goes to the beach in the middle of a hot war zone anyway? I was wondering about that too, though it's not like Ukrainian shells, rockets, and missiles have been raining down on Sevastopol and other Crimean cities, reducing them to rubble the way Russia does to Ukrainian cities.


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I'm beginning to think there's some truth that some members of the GOP are truly on the Kremlin's payroll.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3371 on: June 26, 2024, 07:59:47 pm »
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Who goes to the beach in the middle of a hot war zone anyway?

Colonists. Conquerors. People who arrogantly think they can steal someone else's country and get away with it with no accountability whatsoever.

Obviously the Ukrainians did not intend for their missile to get blown up and for the pieces to land on a beach. They wanted it to hit a target.

Karma, however, wanted these Russians to be held accountable for their arrogance.  :yowsa:
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3372 on: June 26, 2024, 08:00:25 pm »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on June 26, 2024, 12:23:09 pm

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I'm beginning to think there's some truth that some members of the GOP are truly on the Kremlin's payroll.

Ya think?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3373 on: June 26, 2024, 09:52:15 pm »
Ukraine Hits Russian Space Tracking Center

Lawrence Person's BattleSwarm Blog 6/26/2024

Ukraine has apparently hit a Russian space radar and tracking system in occupied Crimea.

    Ukraine has allegedly struck the NIP-16 space communications and tracking facility in Crimea. According to reports, the attack was conducted on Saturday (June 22), using U.S.-made MGM-140 Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) ballistic missiles.

    This attack was one of two carried out by Ukraine over the weekend into the Crimean Peninsula. These come just over a month since the United States gave Ukraine the go-ahead to strike into Russian territory using U.S.-made weapons.

    The first attack over the weekend targeted the space communications facility with approximately 20 radar dishes. Some of these were combined in large fixtures with eight dishes.

    Low-resolution satellite images obtained by the War Zone (TWZ) appears to confirm that the NIP-16 facility was indeed attacked, as claimed. However, due to the image quality, it is difficult to determine the exact extent of the damage.

We’ll get to that in a minute. Snip.

    After Russia seized it following the 2014 takeover of Crimea, the facility was handed over to its Aerospace Forces, which then began modernizing it, as reported by the Ukrainian Defense Express (UDE) news outlet.

    “As of 2017, reports stated the center had received ten new systems, and the upgrading was still proceeding,” UDE explained. “The initial plan was to spend 1.8 billion rubles on the reconstruction of one radio telescope alone: at the exchange rate of that time, cost about $28 million,” it added.

    The Kyiv Post reported that Russia is now using it for ballistic missile early warning, looking towards the Middle East, Africa, and Southwest Asia. Others have postulated that it may be used for GLObalnaya NAvigatsionnaya Sputnikovaya Sistema in Russian (GLONASS), Russia’s equivalent of the U.S. Global Positioning System (GPS).

We’ve got a pretty good idea what was hit because the after satellite photos are already available:

More: https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=58679
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3374 on: June 26, 2024, 10:00:10 pm »
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