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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2300 on: February 17, 2024, 09:29:02 am »
How about Zelenskyy the U.S. owes you nothing and Trump isn't the president.

Zelenskyy ready to take Donald Trump to Ukraine’s front line

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he was willing to take U.S. presidential hopeful Donald Trump, a long-time skeptic of Washington’s support for Kyiv, to the war-battered front lines of Ukraine.

Speaking at the Munich Security Conference, Zelenskyy on Saturday said that he had already welcomed the Republican frontrunner to see first hand the impact of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, but that the decision to come rests with Trump.

“I invited him [Trump] publicly, but it depends on his wishes,” he said in response to an audience question, asking whether Zelenskyy would ask Trump to come to Kyiv.

“If Mr. Trump will come, I’m ready to go with him to the front lines,” he added.

The Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a CNBC request for comment.

Trump has been highly critical of the U.S.’s continued financial and military aid for Ukraine, deeming it a non-American issue and suggesting that he would allow Russia to “take over” parts of Ukraine if he were re-elected in November.............

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/17/zelenskyy-ready-to-take-donald-trump-to-ukraines-front-line.html

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2301 on: February 17, 2024, 09:33:35 am »
How about Zelenskyy the U.S. owes you nothing and Trump isn't the president.

Zelenskyy ready to take Donald Trump to Ukraine’s front line

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he was willing to take U.S. presidential hopeful Donald Trump, a long-time skeptic of Washington’s support for Kyiv, to the war-battered front lines of Ukraine.

Speaking at the Munich Security Conference, Zelenskyy on Saturday said that he had already welcomed the Republican frontrunner to see first hand the impact of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, but that the decision to come rests with Trump.

“I invited him [Trump] publicly, but it depends on his wishes,” he said in response to an audience question, asking whether Zelenskyy would ask Trump to come to Kyiv.

“If Mr. Trump will come, I’m ready to go with him to the front lines,” he added.

The Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a CNBC request for comment.

Trump has been highly critical of the U.S.’s continued financial and military aid for Ukraine, deeming it a non-American issue and suggesting that he would allow Russia to “take over” parts of Ukraine if he were re-elected in November.............

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/17/zelenskyy-ready-to-take-donald-trump-to-ukraines-front-line.html

@libertybele

And he has never been more wrong about anything in his entire life.

Then again,this is the sort of thing you have to expect when a Presidential candidate has never served in the military and personally seen what happens when governments ignore aggression by other governments.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2302 on: February 17, 2024, 10:22:07 am »
Putin is giving modern meaning to "Pyrrhic Victory". Avdiivka has little or no strategic value, and Putin expended months, rivers of blood, and hundreds of armored vehicles, but Putin "won" it.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2303 on: February 17, 2024, 10:29:25 am »
Putin is giving modern meaning to "Pyrrhic Victory". Avdiivka has little or no strategic value, and Putin expended months, rivers of blood, and hundreds of armored vehicles, but Putin "won" it.

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Yes,but the good news for him is he is a dictator,and doesn't have to answer for anything he says or does.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2304 on: February 17, 2024, 01:31:16 pm »
Russia in flames as huge explosion engulfs Kalashnikov-owned drone factory

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An apocalyptic explosion ripped through a building in Russia overnight obliterating a factory thought to have been manufacturing drones and guns for Putin's bloodthirsty war against Ukraine.

Smoke illuminated by the red and orange of an inferno engulfed the skyline of the city of Izhevsk on February 17 as firefighters desperately tried to combat the mammoth blaze.

It's reported the factory, owned by a member of the Kalashnikov firearms dynasty, was manufacturing weapons including Granat-4 drones, which are used for surveillance and to assist artillery fire.

It's not known if the cause of the fire at the facility was deliberate, but any loss of production is likely to hamper Putin's efforts to push forward any advantage from unseasonably warm weather on the battlefield  .  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-in-flames-as-huge-explosion-engulfs-kalashnikov-owned-drone-factory/ar-BB1iqQbH
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2305 on: February 17, 2024, 02:42:24 pm »
Russia Loses Two Su-34 Fighter Bombers and an Su-35 Jet in a Day: Ukraine

Aliss Higham  •  Feb 17, 2024 at 10:04 AM EST


Ukrainian officials have said that three Russian aircraft have been destroyed in the last 24 hours, but Newsweek has yet to verify this.

The Air Force Command of Ukraine's Armed Forces said in a post on Facebook this morning that it had destroyed two Russian Su-34 fighter bombers and an Su-35 jet on the morning of February 17. The location where they were destroyed is not revealed in the post, nor the method of their destruction. Newsweek has contacted the Armed Forces of Ukraine for more details via email.

Ukrainian Air Force Commander Mykola Oleshchuk also announced the news on Telegram, writing: "On the morning of February 17, 2024, in the eastern sector, units of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed three enemy aircraft at once - two Su-34 fighter-bombers and one Su-35 fighter. Nothing will stop us! Thank you, warriors!"

Moscow has not confirmed or denied the losses.  .  .  .

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-su-34-bombers-su-35-shot-down-ukraine-1870910
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2306 on: February 17, 2024, 05:44:15 pm »
Russia Loses Two Su-34 Fighter Bombers and an Su-35 Jet in a Day: Ukraine

Aliss Higham  •  Feb 17, 2024 at 10:04 AM EST


Ukrainian officials have said that three Russian aircraft have been destroyed in the last 24 hours, but Newsweek has yet to verify this.

The Air Force Command of Ukraine's Armed Forces said in a post on Facebook this morning that it had destroyed two Russian Su-34 fighter bombers and an Su-35 jet on the morning of February 17. The location where they were destroyed is not revealed in the post, nor the method of their destruction. Newsweek has contacted the Armed Forces of Ukraine for more details via email.
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Some partial confirmation and location info,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLLfE_60_o0 .
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2307 on: February 17, 2024, 05:50:53 pm »
Russia in flames as huge explosion engulfs Kalashnikov-owned drone factory

Richard Ashmore  •  6h




An apocalyptic explosion ripped through a building in Russia overnight obliterating a factory thought to have been manufacturing drones and guns for Putin's bloodthirsty war against Ukraine.

Smoke illuminated by the red and orange of an inferno engulfed the skyline of the city of Izhevsk on February 17 as firefighters desperately tried to combat the mammoth blaze.

It's reported the factory, owned by a member of the Kalashnikov firearms dynasty, was manufacturing weapons including Granat-4 drones, which are used for surveillance and to assist artillery fire.

It's not known if the cause of the fire at the facility was deliberate, but any loss of production is likely to hamper Putin's efforts to push forward any advantage from unseasonably warm weather on the battlefield  .  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-in-flames-as-huge-explosion-engulfs-kalashnikov-owned-drone-factory/ar-BB1iqQbH

@Hoodat

This isn't the first incident well inside the borders of Russia that I have read of that is  about resistance to the invasion of and war in Ukraine.

Things like this are just too "big to hide",but it does cause me to wonder about how many "little" Anti-Soviet actions are now taking place every day.

Yeah,Putin IS a "maximum leader",but even maximum leaders tend to  get nervous when they see things getting "out of control".

The upper-level brass in the Red Army can see this too,and it is they and their soldiers who are doing most of the bleeding and the dying.

Even a police state like Russia can't survive long if this keeps happening before "The natives start getting restless".
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2308 on: February 17, 2024, 05:53:11 pm »
Some partial confirmation and location info,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLLfE_60_o0 .

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I sure don't  envy  the senior Soviet Air Force  General that will end up having  to "juggle" THAT hot potato.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2309 on: February 17, 2024, 09:32:03 pm »
Ukraine withdraws from Avdiivka, Putin hails 'important victory'

Russian President Vladimir Putin called the capture of Avdiivka "an important victory" after Ukraine's military chief said on Saturday that his troops withdrew from the devastated town in the east of the country after months of intense combat.
Although the Russian defence ministry said that Ukrainian units were still entrenched at the town's coke plant, the advance on Avdiivka was Moscow's biggest advance since it took the city of Bakhmut last May.
It came days before the second anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion on Ukraine and amidst Ukraine's acute shortages of ammunition with fresh U.S. military aid delayed for months in Congress.
It is also the clearest sign yet of how the tide of the war has turned in Moscow's favour after a Ukrainian counteroffensive failed to break through Russian lines last year.
"The head of state congratulated Russian soldiers on this success, an important victory," the Kremlin said in a statement on its website.
U.S. President Joe Biden warned this week that Avdiivka could fall to Russian forces because of ammunition shortages following months of Republican congressional opposition to a new U.S. military aid package for Kyiv.
A White House statement on Saturday said Biden called Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy on Saturday to underscore the U.S. commitment to continue supporting Ukraine and reiterated the need for Congress to urgently pass the package to resupply Ukrainian forces.................

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-troops-withdraw-avdiivka-ammunition-shortage-bites-2024-02-17/

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2310 on: February 19, 2024, 10:20:44 am »
If Raand Paul really wants to know where US aid to Ukraine is going, maybe he should spend a little time on Suchmimus' GoogTube channel:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRlottU4N8o

An update:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jde8RKPEIY
« Last Edit: February 19, 2024, 02:54:35 pm by PeteS in CA »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2311 on: February 19, 2024, 10:31:00 am »
Sweet.  Why do they have only two of these Patriot batteries?  For all the tens of billions that Biden spent in the name of Ukraine, you would think they would have been given more air defense batteries.  What did Biden do with all that money?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2312 on: February 19, 2024, 12:54:02 pm »
Ukraine withdraws from Avdiivka, Putin hails 'important victory'

Russian President Vladimir Putin called the capture of Avdiivka "an important victory" after Ukraine's military chief said on Saturday that his troops withdrew from the devastated town in the east of the country after months of intense combat.
Although the Russian defence ministry said that Ukrainian units were still entrenched at the town's coke plant, the advance on Avdiivka was Moscow's biggest advance since it took the city of Bakhmut last May.
It came days before the second anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion on Ukraine and amidst Ukraine's acute shortages of ammunition with fresh U.S. military aid delayed for months in Congress.
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Some perspective on the Russian "victory" in Avdiivka:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJcVgjW9eg
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2313 on: February 19, 2024, 06:46:24 pm »
Some perspective on the Russian "victory" in Avdiivka:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJcVgjW9eg

It was just another Bakhmut-style meat grinder, with the Russians winning another Pyrrhic victory.  The Ukrainians had to withdraw because they ran out of ammunition to shoot back with.  Thanks Republicans! (spit!)
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2314 on: February 19, 2024, 07:14:52 pm »
So, how is it that NATA and the EU have give Ukraine $35 billion and the US has chipped in $75 billion as of November of last year and they don't have $$ for ammo??  Something isn't right.

I still strongly contend that we need to secure our borders first BEFORE we give another penny to secure Ukraine's.  There is no good valid reason as to why we let our border remain open yet are protecting theirs. None.  If the US goes because of attacks from ILLEGALS from within, we won't have to worry about sending Ukraine another penny. We go and so do they.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2315 on: February 19, 2024, 07:15:26 pm »
This is our war?

No. It. Is. Not. Our. War!!

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« Reply #2316 on: February 19, 2024, 07:20:26 pm »
It's our war.  We sold out Ukraine in 2014.  If they had been ushered into the EU back then and given a NATO invite, we wouldn't be in this situation.  But the Obama regime was more interested in profiting off of Ukrainian corruption instead of siding with those working to do away with it.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2317 on: February 19, 2024, 07:36:53 pm »
This is our war?

It absolutely is our war, like it or not.  Putin has bigger plans than simply stopping at Ukraine.

Putin approves new foreign policy doctrine based on 'Russian World'

https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-approves-new-foreign-policy-doctrine-based-russian-world-2022-09-05/

Putin is trying to track down overseas properties that the Soviet Union owned and stake claims on them

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-putin-orders-search-claim-overseas-properties-soviet-union-empire-2024-1

Putin demands to find property of Russian Empire abroad

https://news.yahoo.com/putin-demands-property-russian-empire-103608070.html

Russian Politician Hints at Alaska Annexation

https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/russian-politician-hints-alaska-annexation

Putin Ally Hints at Russian Plot to Reclaim Alaska

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-hints-russian-plot-reclaim-alaska-1851019

Russian cadets sing their vows to help Putin take Alaska back from United States

https://mustreadalaska.com/russian-cadets-sing-their-vows-to-help-putin-take-alaska-back-from-united-states/

Russian House Speaker Threatens to ‘Take Back’ Alaska

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/07/07/russian-house-speaker-threatens-to-take-back-alaska-a78230

After Crimea, Russians Say They Want Alaska Back

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2014/03/31/after-crimea-russians-say-they-want-alaska-back-a33489



These stupid neo-isolationist Republicans better get their heads out of their butts, listen to what Putin is saying and take him at his word, and help the Ukrainians destroy the Russian military by winning that war.  Or else, our kids and grandkids will have to fight a much larger and more destructive and bloodier war against those same Russians in the near future. 

Have they forgotten their history about how World War II started?
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« Reply #2318 on: February 19, 2024, 07:43:43 pm »
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So, how is it that NATA and the EU have give Ukraine $35 billion and the US has chipped in $75 billion as of November of last year and they don't have $$ for ammo??  Something isn't right.

Because they are defending a 600-mile front against an army that is at least twice their size, going into the third year. 

Follow the 600-mile front line between Ukrainian and Russian forces

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2023/russia-ukraine-front-line-map/

During World War I, the Western Front ran roughly 475 miles, in comparison.

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I still strongly contend that we need to secure our borders first BEFORE we give another penny to secure Ukraine's.  There is no good valid reason as to why we let our border remain open yet are protecting theirs. None.  If the US goes because of attacks from ILLEGALS from within, we won't have to worry about sending Ukraine another penny. We go and so do they.

This is just a really stupid counter argument that I am tired of hearing.  These are two SEPARATE issues and should be treated SEPARATELY.  BOTH can be done at the same time if only the Biden Administration wanted to do so.  It's NOT an "either/or" proposition.  And the conspiracy theories about how that funding works grows wearisome too.
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« Reply #2319 on: February 19, 2024, 07:48:31 pm »
It's our war.  We sold out Ukraine in 2014.  If they had been ushered into the EU back then and given a NATO invite, we wouldn't be in this situation.  But the Obama regime was more interested in profiting off of Ukrainian corruption instead of siding with those working to do away with it.

That is 100% correct!

And then there is this matter of guaranteeing their security in exchange for them giving up their nukes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000280401fbb
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2320 on: February 19, 2024, 08:14:41 pm »
It was just another Bakhmut-style meat grinder, with the Russians winning another Pyrrhic victory.  The Ukrainians had to withdraw because they ran out of ammunition to shoot back with.  Thanks Republicans! (spit!)

I have heard a lot of talk on Twitter it's a Pyrrhic Victory.  This is costing Russia more than it's worth.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2321 on: February 19, 2024, 08:33:46 pm »
Because they are defending a 600-mile front against an army that is at least twice their size, going into the third year. 

Follow the 600-mile front line between Ukrainian and Russian forces

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2023/russia-ukraine-front-line-map/

During World War I, the Western Front ran roughly 475 miles, in comparison.

This is just a really stupid counter argument that I am tired of hearing.  These are two SEPARATE issues and should be treated SEPARATELY.  BOTH can be done at the same time if only the Biden Administration wanted to do so.  It's NOT an "either/or" proposition.  And the conspiracy theories about how that funding works grows wearisome too.

Stupid?  OK.  What's stupid is a country who allows an invasion and does nothing!  Yes, they are two flippin' separate issues, but the fact both still boil down to $$$ and political gain! 

There are many countries with border walls. Ukraine being one of them .... so... again...we are giving them $$$ to protect their border while not protecting our own.   That's what's stupid and just plain outrageous.  Militants, Chinese nationals, Hamas, gangbangers, murderers, rapists, Islamic terrorists...etc., are now in our country. It has been reported several times that those crossing over are mostly men of military age.  Migrants from over 100 countries are now crossing over. Who the heck is going to help us when we implode from within??  Or do you think we're all going to join hands and sing Kumbaya? Doubtful that the Islamic terrorists crossing over would agree to that.  Maybe Zelenskyy will send troops over or give us some $$ and munitions?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_barrier

https://nypost.com/2023/05/13/migrants-from-over-100-countries-have-crossed-into-mexico/


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2322 on: February 19, 2024, 10:11:28 pm »
Stupid?  OK.  What's stupid is a country who allows an invasion and does nothing!  Yes, they are two flippin' separate issues, but the fact both still boil down to $$$ and political gain! 

There are many countries with border walls. Ukraine being one of them .... so... again...we are giving them $$$ to protect their border while not protecting our own.   That's what's stupid and just plain outrageous.  Militants, Chinese nationals, Hamas, gangbangers, murderers, rapists, Islamic terrorists...etc., are now in our country. It has been reported several times that those crossing over are mostly men of military age.  Migrants from over 100 countries are now crossing over. Who the heck is going to help us when we implode from within??  Or do you think we're all going to join hands and sing Kumbaya? Doubtful that the Islamic terrorists crossing over would agree to that.  Maybe Zelenskyy will send troops over or give us some $$ and munitions?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_barrier

https://nypost.com/2023/05/13/migrants-from-over-100-countries-have-crossed-into-mexico/

What part of "two separate issues" do you not understand???

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« Reply #2323 on: February 20, 2024, 01:10:48 am »
Russian Pilot Who Defected to Ukraine Shot Dead in Spain -Reports

Reuters  |  Feb. 19, 2024, at 2:23 p.m.


KYIV/MADRID (Reuters) - A Russian pilot who defected to Ukraine with his helicopter last year was found dead in an underground garage in Spain last week, his body riddled with bullets, Ukrainian and Spanish media reported on Monday.

Spain's state news agency EFE reported that a body found on Feb 13 in the town of Villajoyosa, near Alicante in southern Spain, belonged to pilot Maxim Kuzminov, who had landed in Ukraine with his Mi-8 helicopter last August. He had been living in Spain with a Ukrainian passport under a different name, it said.

A spokesperson for Ukraine's GUR military intelligence confirmed to Reuters that Kuzminov had died in Spain, but did not specify the cause of death. Ukraine's Ukrainska Pravda newspaper also reported that he had been found shot dead.  .  .

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« Reply #2324 on: February 20, 2024, 08:15:52 am »
Not surprised that the FSB or GRU hunted him down and offed him as an example.  Sounds like he didn't do enough to keep his profile low and Spain is probably not a good country for a Russian to hide in.
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« Reply #2325 on: February 20, 2024, 01:41:19 pm »
So, how is it that NATA and the EU have give Ukraine $35 billion and the US has chipped in $75 billion as of November of last year and they don't have $$ for ammo??  Something isn't right.
...

That ~$105B was cash? Much/most was probably equipment and ammunition, and the cash used to buy more of both. The equipment has been used in fighting, successfully but not without losses. Similarly, the ammunition has been used in fighting, rather effectively as can be seen in videos and news reports that can be seen in this thread. Your image that the Ukrainians are sitting on that ~$105B is as silly as the debunked claims that Zelensky has bought two yachts with Ukraine War $$ or that Ukraine is the most corrupt nation on Earth.

The Ukraine War will end one of two ways: Russia will get part or all of Ukraine, furthering Putin's restoration of the Soviet Empire; Ukraine will get back territory Russia currently occupies. If Russia gets another chunk or all of Ukraine, Putin will work on deciding what nation will be his next target for partial or total conquest. "Give him what he wants" didn't work in 1938, and will work just as poorly in the 2020s.
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« Reply #2326 on: February 20, 2024, 02:47:38 pm »
That ~$105B was cash? Much/most was probably equipment and ammunition, and the cash used to buy more of both.

Most of the 'cash' went to the US State Department, USAID, NATO allies, and non-military Ukrainian bureaucrats.  It was mostly the drawdowns that resulted in Ukraine gaining military equipment.  And even in that, the DoD ripped them off, charging against new replacement prices for old equipment.  Even the M1A2s that were promised over a year ago ended up being M1A1s, even though they were charged the price of the A2s against the drawdown.

This regime is so corrupt.  Far more corrupt than Ukraine.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2327 on: February 20, 2024, 06:50:08 pm »
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Why is the @FBI protecting Ukrainian art? How is that in the interest of the American people?
The FBI is an abomination. They waste $11 billion in tax dollars every year. Defund this feckless agency.

Nothing better to do, I guess.

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« Reply #2328 on: February 20, 2024, 08:04:25 pm »
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Why is the @FBI protecting Ukrainian art? How is that in the interest of the American people?
The FBI is an abomination. They waste $11 billion in tax dollars every year. Defund this feckless agency.

Nothing better to do, I guess.

THIS is what they call 'aid for Ukraine' - giving money to the FBI.  The bureau gets their own slush fund for the upcoming election.  And Zelenskiy plays along hoping they might throw in a couple hundred thousand artillery shells somewhere along the way.
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« Reply #2329 on: February 21, 2024, 10:52:39 pm »
Ukrainian Himars kill 65 Russian soldiers lining up to greet commander

Cameron Henderson  •  21 February 2024  •  4:23pm


More than 65 Russian soldiers have been killed in a Himars strike as they lined up in formation to greet a commander at a military base in the Donetsk region, Russian sources said.

Moscow-aligned military bloggers reported that three High Mobility Artillery Rocket System, or Himars, struck a base of Russia’s 36th Separate Guards Motorised Rifle Brigade in the occupied village of Trudivs’ke in southern Donetsk.

Pictures and videos shared on social media appeared to show dozens of bodies strewn across a field, with others being lined up by survivors.

The strike was launched at about 9am on Tuesday when the military brigade was assembling, BBC Russia reported.  .  .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/02/21/himars-strike-kills-65-russian-soldiers-on-training-ground/
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« Reply #2331 on: February 21, 2024, 11:12:24 pm »
Another Russian Su-34 shot down.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2334 on: February 23, 2024, 06:13:35 pm »
Ukraine Shoots Down Second Highly Advanced Russian A-50 Spy Plane

Kaitlin Lewis    Feb 23, 2024  |  4:00 PM EST


The Ukrainian Air Force said its fighters on Friday shot down a Russian A-50 military spy plane, the second of the prized aircraft that Kyiv has claimed to destroy this year.

The Beriev A-50 is an airborne early warning and control jet used by Russia to help monitor Ukraine's air defenses. The aircraft typically fly with a crew of up to 15 personnel and are estimated to cost over $300 million to produce.

According to Russian and Ukrainian reports, an A-50 was brought down over the Sea of Azov late Friday. Kyiv officials took credit for the jet's destruction, although some Russian military bloggers said it was brought down by "friendly fire."

Ukraine's Air Force commander, Lieutenant General Mykola Oleshchuk, announced the downing of the A-50 in a post to Telegram, and thanked Kyiv's military intelligence "and all those who ensured the result."  .  .  .

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« Reply #2335 on: February 23, 2024, 08:23:47 pm »
But...according to Tucker they have fantastic grocery stores.  :laugh:
They've always kept a couple around for the tourists and visiting dignitaries...
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« Reply #2336 on: February 23, 2024, 08:55:53 pm »
They've always kept a couple around for the tourists and visiting dignitaries...

Kind of like Cuba had the world's best healthcare...

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« Reply #2337 on: February 24, 2024, 09:53:54 am »
Ukraine Shoots Down Second Highly Advanced Russian A-50 Spy Plane

Kaitlin Lewis    Feb 23, 2024  |  4:00 PM EST


The Ukrainian Air Force said its fighters on Friday shot down a Russian A-50 military spy plane, the second of the prized aircraft that Kyiv has claimed to destroy this year.

The Beriev A-50 is an airborne early warning and control jet used by Russia to help monitor Ukraine's air defenses. The aircraft typically fly with a crew of up to 15 personnel and are estimated to cost over $300 million to produce.
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Scratch one orcish AWACS!


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« Reply #2338 on: February 25, 2024, 07:13:34 am »
Oh, Canada.  **nononono*

Justin Trudeau has announced that Canada will be spending $4 million on “Gender-inclusive demining for sustainable futures in Ukraine”.
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... Gender-inclusive demining for sustainable futures in Ukraine
Funding: $4 million
This project from the HALO Trust aims to safeguard the lives and livelihoods of Ukrainians, including women and internally displaced persons, by addressing the threat of explosive ordnance present across vast areas of the country. Project activities include conducting non-technical surveys and subsequent manual clearance in targeted communities; providing capacity building to key national stakeholders; and establishing a gender and diversity working group to promote gender-transformative mine action in Ukraine.  ...

Strengthening truth, transparency, and democracy to counter disinformation
Funding: $930,000
Canada is providing funding to Internews Ukraine to help enhance the literacy and fact-checking capabilities of Ukraine’s media in order to better counter disinformation in the country. This project includes a comprehensive skills-transfer program to enhance the capacity of Ukrainian journalists and civil society organizations to carry out fact-checking and verification; a new network of media literacy clubs across Ukraine to empower citizens to critically assess media content and identify disinformation; and a public awareness campaign on media literacy and fact-checking to help Ukrainians critically evaluate and verify information. This initiative will also address gender disparity issues in the Ukrainian media. ...
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« Reply #2339 on: February 25, 2024, 10:09:39 am »
Sure hard to tell what was actually happening by the video.

I'm sure Ukraine will work on the lighting in the future, but it's clear that an aircraft is deploying flares - to distract IR-guided missiles - getting hit, and burning as it falls to the ground.
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« Reply #2340 on: February 25, 2024, 09:17:35 pm »
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« Reply #2341 on: February 26, 2024, 08:52:47 am »
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Putin has alleged for more than a decade that CIA Built "12 Secret Spy Bases" In Ukraine & Waged Shadow War against Russia - the New York Times confirms he was right. Fiona Hill and Alexander Vindman and Victoria Nuland lied to the American people and Congress.
7:53 AM · Feb 26, 2024

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« Reply #2342 on: February 26, 2024, 08:54:12 am »
Join The Reagan Caucus: https://reagancaucus.org/ and the Eisenhower Caucus: https://EisenhowerCaucus.org

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« Reply #2343 on: February 26, 2024, 10:17:39 am »
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Putin has alleged for more than a decade that CIA Built "12 Secret Spy Bases" In Ukraine & Waged Shadow War against Russia - the New York Times confirms he was right. Fiona Hill and Alexander Vindman and Victoria Nuland lied to the American people and Congress.
7:53 AM · Feb 26, 2024

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CIA Built "12 Secret Spy Bases" In Ukraine & Waged Shadow War For Last Decade, Bombshell NYT Report Confirms
https://t.co/u3v6HS1gyO
11:36 PM · Feb 25, 2024

There is no way I'm going to click on that link that may or may not be a valid news site. However, I did find the NYT article on a news site that does not have a paywall or require an email addy, https://news.yahoo.com/nyt-cia-network-bases-ukraine-123116608.html . Here's something in the article @zerohedge and @amuse did not mention:

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After the EuroMaidan Revolution in 2014, the U.S. initially distrusted Ukrainian officials and worried about "provoking the Kremlin," the NYT said.

Kondratiuk built relations with the CIA, which in 2016 agreed to help modernize Ukraine's military intelligence agency in exchange for intelligence from Ukraine, the NYT said. A red line was that the CIA would not help Ukrainian intelligence conduct lethal operations.

Context, context, context. In the 2014 EuroMaidan Revolution, Putin puppet Viktor Yanukovych got kicked out of Ukraine's Presidency. Later in 2014 Russia invaded and has since occupied Crimea. However many CIA "bases" there may be in Ukraine, they started being set up in 2016. So the context for those bases is:

* A Putin puppet-President being kicked out of office;

* The Russians invaded and occupied part of Ukraine;

* The CIA bases were forbidden to assist with lethal operations.

As the old saying goes, a text out of context is a pretext. @zerohedge and @amuse omitted totally relevant context.
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« Reply #2344 on: February 26, 2024, 10:24:38 am »
Why @amuse believes Fiona Hill, Alexander Vindman, and Victoria Nuland should have exposed secret CIA operations to the world eludes me (assuming they knew), but I'm willing to see an explanation.
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« Reply #2345 on: February 26, 2024, 06:17:39 pm »
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CIA Built "12 Secret Spy Bases" In Ukraine & Waged Shadow War For Last Decade, Bombshell NYT Report Confirms
https://t.co/u3v6HS1gyO
11:36 PM · Feb 25, 2024

And...

Russia has built spy bases all over the world including Cuba to spy on us. So what.

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« Reply #2346 on: February 26, 2024, 06:22:10 pm »
And...

Russia has built spy bases all over the world including Cuba to spy on us. So what.

I agree!  So.  What? 
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« Reply #2347 on: February 26, 2024, 06:46:07 pm »
And...

Russia has built spy bases all over the world including Cuba to spy on us. So what.

It's a non sequitur, but "@amuse" and "@zerohedge" were probably trying to insinuate that Putin was justified in invading Ukraine, or something like that. And yogi555 I would not resist the temptation yogi555 to call out "@amuse"'s and "@zerohedge"'s deception-by-omission.
I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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« Reply #2348 on: February 26, 2024, 07:00:05 pm »
I believe the point was that Vindman, et al.,seem to have lied to Congress (not "to the world") when they said the CIA wasn't involved in building spy bases in Ukraine. Federal employees aren't supposed to lie to Congress.That Russia also spies on people is irrelevant and not the point.
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« Reply #2349 on: February 26, 2024, 08:38:58 pm »
@amuse

Putin has alleged for more than a decade that CIA Built "12 Secret Spy Bases" In Ukraine & Waged Shadow War against Russia - the New York Times confirms he was right. Fiona Hill and Alexander Vindman and Victoria Nuland lied to the American people and Congress.

Don't forget to include Marie Yovanovitch in that list.
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