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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1825 on: September 30, 2023, 03:54:00 pm »
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« Reply #1826 on: September 30, 2023, 04:04:46 pm »
Should have gone around for another pass...and used more runway.

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« Reply #1827 on: September 30, 2023, 11:23:32 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1828 on: September 30, 2023, 11:40:54 pm »
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« Reply #1829 on: October 01, 2023, 08:42:54 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1830 on: October 01, 2023, 09:47:53 am »
Ukraine's counteroffensive raises doubts about whether the US and Western militaries are training their troops for the right kind of war

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-counteroffensive-raises-doubt-about-western-military-training-2023-9

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The slow progress of the counteroffensive Ukraine launched in early June led to criticism that Ukrainian troops were failing to apply properly the training they received from Western militaries.

But what if the problem isn't with the Ukrainians but rather with Western tactics? Ukraine's woes may be an omen of what might happen if NATO armies have to fight without ample air support and logistics.

Ukraine's counteroffensive was never going to be easy. Russian forces spent months building up their defenses, using a longstanding and still-effective Soviet-era approach to fortifications and adapting new tactics, such as bigger and more concentrated minefields.

The notion that Ukrainian troops would be able to replicate Western-style tactics after a few weeks of training — and discard decades of rigid, top-down Soviet-style command and control — was always a stretch.Learning a new way of war is tough enough in peacetime, let alone in the midst of an offensive against some of the most formidable fortifications on Earth.

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Perhaps, but it also exposes the stupidity of overseas outsourcing our industries and manufacturing capacities, as well as defense industry consolidation, over the past 30 years.  The infrastructure to rearm and reload is no longer there.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1831 on: October 01, 2023, 10:20:15 am »
The German-Swedish Taurus cruise missile is similar in operation, warhead size, and target penetration power to the UK Storm Shadow that the Russians have come to hate.

Whatever the outcome, the war in Ukraine will change battlefield tactics and strategy significantly, much as happened after the 1991 Gulf War.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1832 on: October 01, 2023, 01:22:59 pm »
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« Reply #1833 on: October 01, 2023, 01:33:01 pm »
Close Putin ally Dmitry Medvedev declares Russia will invade more of Ukraine as Vladimir marks anniversary of his illegal annexation of Ukrainian territories

The former president vowed that Russia will aim to destroy the 'Nazi Kyiv' regime
His thoughts come a year after the illegal annexation of four territories

By LAUREN HAUGHEY and WILL STEWART
30 September 2023

Top Putin ally Dmitry Medvedev has vowed that Russia will invade more of Ukraine as Moscow on Saturday celebrated the anniversary of its illegal annexation of four Ukrainian territories.

The former Russian President declared that victory will soon be Russia's, as the nation continues its 'special military operation' to completely obliterate the 'Nazi Kyiv regime'.

His harrowing statement came one year after Russian President Vladimir Putin declared the Ukrainian regions of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson annexed by Moscow following a series of controversial local elections.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12579365/Close-Putin-ally-Dmitry-Medvedev-declares-Russia-invade-Ukraine-Vladimir-marks-anniversary-illegal-annexation-Ukrainian-territories.html?ico=topics_pagination_desktop
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1834 on: October 01, 2023, 01:33:14 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on October 01, 2023, 01:33:01 pm
Close Putin ally Dmitry Medvedev declares Russia will invade more of Ukraine as Vladimir marks anniversary of his illegal annexation of Ukrainian territories

The former president vowed that Russia will aim to destroy the 'Nazi Kyiv' regime
His thoughts come a year after the illegal annexation of four territories

By LAUREN HAUGHEY and WILL STEWART
30 September 2023

Top Putin ally Dmitry Medvedev has vowed that Russia will invade more of Ukraine as Moscow on Saturday celebrated the anniversary of its illegal annexation of four Ukrainian territories.

The former Russian President declared that victory will soon be Russia's, as the nation continues its 'special military operation' to completely obliterate the 'Nazi Kyiv regime'.

His harrowing statement came one year after Russian President Vladimir Putin declared the Ukrainian regions of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson annexed by Moscow following a series of controversial local elections.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12579365/Close-Putin-ally-Dmitry-Medvedev-declares-Russia-invade-Ukraine-Vladimir-marks-anniversary-illegal-annexation-Ukrainian-territories.html?ico=topics_pagination_desktop

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1835 on: October 01, 2023, 10:41:31 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1836 on: October 02, 2023, 10:37:55 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1837 on: October 02, 2023, 10:42:16 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on October 02, 2023, 10:37:55 am
Winning hearts and minds huh?

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The Soviets have NEVER given a rabid rats ass about winning hearts and minds. What THEY care about is RAW POWER.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1838 on: October 02, 2023, 10:47:43 am »
The story is dubious, but with Russian and the "Russian" way of doing things, it cannot be entirely discounted:


Ukrainian officer's captured Putin tank breaks down so he 'rings Russian tech support... who actually offer to help'

Ukraine has so far captured around 200 of Russia's T-72B3 tanks
One operator, 'Kochevnik', cheekily called the Russian manufacturer for support
He claims to have gotten through to a company director for tech support

By PERKIN AMALARAJ
2 October 2023

A Ukrainian military officer claims he managed to get Russia to provide tech support for a broken down tank that was captured from Putin's forces.

A Ukrainian tank operator with the callsign 'Kochevnik' ran into problems with his captured Russian T-72B3, and cheekily decided to call the manufacturer's helpline.

To his surprise, a person from Uralvagonzavod, the tank's manufacturer, picked up and began giving him advice and support over the phone, he claims.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12583935/Ukrainian-officers-captured-Putin-tank-breaks-rings-Russian-tech-support-actually-offer-help.html
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1839 on: October 02, 2023, 12:03:55 pm »
I won't say this cannot be true, but it does sound like it's from Babylonsky Pravda. :silly:
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1840 on: October 02, 2023, 12:31:40 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on October 02, 2023, 12:03:55 pm
I won't say this cannot be true, but it does sound like it's from Babylonsky Pravda. :silly:

Agreed.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1841 on: October 02, 2023, 12:53:17 pm »
Russia Accidentally Reveals Addresses of Putin's Secret Service

Isabel van Brugen  •  6h

Russian authorities accidentally revealed the addresses of the country's secret military buildings, institutions, and spy homes, in Moscow and in St. Petersburg, an investigative site found.

The Dossier Center, a project launched by Russian opposition figure Mikhail Khodorkovsky, found the addresses listed in a 434-page document titled "Special Group", which was published on the Moscow City Hall website. The document listed properties where there must be "no blackouts."

The list reportedly included a range of top-secret government facilities, homes belonging to GRU (the Main Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation) officers and President Vladimir Putin's secret service, an ammunition depot, and more.  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-accidentally-reveals-addresses-of-putin-s-secret-service/ar-AA1hyMZ0
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1842 on: October 02, 2023, 01:15:00 pm »
See our country isn't the only one with a government of utter incompetence.
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« Reply #1843 on: October 03, 2023, 10:20:48 am »
They're just meat': Putin deploys 'Storm-Z' punishment squads

By REUTERS
3 October 2023

Hundreds of military and civilian offenders have been pressed into Russian penal units known as 'Storm-Z' squads and sent to Ukraine's frontlines, according to 13 people with knowledge of the matter, including five fighters in the units. 'Storm fighters, they're just meat,' said one regular soldier from army unit no. 40318 who was deployed near the fiercely contested city of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine in May and June.

He said he'd given medical treatment to a group of six or seven wounded Storm-Z fighters on the battlefield, disobeying an order from a commander - whose name he didn't know - to leave the men. He said he didn't know why the commander gave the order, but claimed that it typified how Storm-Z fighters were considered of lesser value than ordinary troops by officers. The soldier, who requested anonymity because he feared prosecution in Russia for publicly discussing the war, said he had sympathy for the men's plight: 'If the commandants catch anyone with the smell of alcohol on their breath, then they immediately send them to the Storm squads.'

When contacted by Reuters, an officer at unit no. 40318 declined to comment on Storm-Z and ended the call. The Kremlin referred Reuters questions to the Russian defense ministry, which didn't respond to a request for comment. Russian state-controlled media has reported that Storm-Z squads exist, that they took part in intense battles and some of their members received medals for bravery, but it has not disclosed how they are formed, or the losses they take. Reuters is the first news organization to compile a comprehensive account of how the squads are put together and deployed, by speaking to multiple sources with direct knowledge of what is happening.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-12588253/Theyre-just-meat-Putin-deploys-Storm-Z-punishment-squads.html
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1844 on: October 03, 2023, 10:30:51 am »
Quote from: Kamaji on October 02, 2023, 10:47:43 am
The story is dubious, but with Russian and the "Russian" way of doing things, it cannot be entirely discounted:


Ukrainian officer's captured Putin tank breaks down so he 'rings Russian tech support... who actually offer to help'

Ukraine has so far captured around 200 of Russia's T-72B3 tanks
One operator, 'Kochevnik', cheekily called the Russian manufacturer for support
He claims to have gotten through to a company director for tech support

By PERKIN AMALARAJ
2 October 2023

A Ukrainian military officer claims he managed to get Russia to provide tech support for a broken down tank that was captured from Putin's forces.

A Ukrainian tank operator with the callsign 'Kochevnik' ran into problems with his captured Russian T-72B3, and cheekily decided to call the manufacturer's helpline.

To his surprise, a person from Uralvagonzavod, the tank's manufacturer, picked up and began giving him advice and support over the phone, he claims.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12583935/Ukrainian-officers-captured-Putin-tank-breaks-rings-Russian-tech-support-actually-offer-help.html

I think that if someone claiming to be a Russian tank officer called the manufacturer, it is perfectly credible it may go exactly like that.  So while it is unproven, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it were true.
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« Reply #1845 on: October 03, 2023, 02:24:34 pm »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 10:30:51 am
I think that if someone claiming to be a Russian tank officer called the manufacturer, it is perfectly credible it may go exactly like that.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1846 on: October 03, 2023, 05:30:30 pm »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 10:30:51 am
I think that if someone claiming to be a Russian tank officer called the manufacturer, it is perfectly credible it may go exactly like that.  So while it is unproven, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it were true.

@Maj. Bill Martin

I  agree. ESPECIALLY  in a police state like Russia,where the factory tech guy would automatically assume the caller had official permission to call and ask questions,or he wouldn't have done it.

Or even have been able to do it.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1847 on: October 05, 2023, 07:28:21 am »
Russian Official Proposes Invading Five NATO Countries

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-zaporozhzhia-nato-invade-balitsky-1832236

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The top Kremlin-installed official in the oblast, Yevgeny Balitsky, said Russia should also have its eye on the Baltic states, as well as Poland and Finland, all five of which are NATO countries...

In the interview shared by Russia watcher Julia Davis, Balitsky seemed ready to take on the alliance as he spoke of how the Russian Empire that ended with the 1917 revolution had "lost its footing" as well as "great numbers of people."

"I'm not even talking about territories. I understand that it includes Warsaw, Helsinki, also known as Helsingfors," he said...

"I don't believe in any diplomacy in this instance. Of course diplomacy always has to be present but I believe we can get it back only with the might of Russian weapons."..

But there is rhetoric from Kremlin propagandists about restoring the Russian Empire, with many Western analysts framing the war within the context of Putin's imperial ambitions.

After Russian marked the first anniversary of the so-called annexation of the four Ukrainian territories on September 30, propagandist Sergey Mardan spoke about the new holiday as marking Russia's supposed journey to restoring itself into an empire.

He said on his show Mardan Live that "the restoration of the Russian Empire" was what the celebration on September 30 "is all about."...

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1848 on: October 05, 2023, 08:51:34 am »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on October 05, 2023, 07:28:21 am
Russian Official Proposes Invading Five NATO Countries

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-zaporozhzhia-nato-invade-balitsky-1832236

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Restoring the old Russian empire has long been a goal of Putin's.
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« Reply #1849 on: October 05, 2023, 09:09:53 am »
They couldn't even take Ukraine, how will they invade 5 more?
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