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« Reply #1850 on: October 05, 2023, 10:24:38 am »
They couldn't even take Ukraine, how will they invade 5 more?

If they aren't opposed, they will take them.  That is one of the reasons why it's important to support Ukraine in fighting against them.

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« Reply #1851 on: October 05, 2023, 10:33:51 am »
Putin runs scared as his Black Sea Fleet retreats from Crimean port

By DAVID AVERRE
5 October 2023

Satellite images have shown how Vladimir Putin is running scared from Ukraine's assault on Crimea, revealing that the bulk of his Black Sea Fleet has performed a major retreat. Russian warships were evacuated from Sevastopol some 237 miles to Novorossiysk on Russia's southern coast, in what British Defense Minister James Heappey called 'the functional defeat of the Black Sea Fleet'.

The exodus of around ten vessels came after Ukraine destroyed the Sevastopol headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet in a missile strike on September 22. Nine days earlier Ukrainian missiles also hit the $303 million Kilo-class attack submarine Rostov-on-Don and large landing ship Minsk in a repair shipyard in naval port Sevastopol.

The Rostov-on-Don suffered massive damage and was likely beyond repair, analysts said. OSINT analyst MT Anderson highlighted satellite images dated October 1 which indicate the move. Two Russian Project 11356 frigates Admiral Essen and Admiral Makarov, three diesel submarines, five large landing ships and several small missile ships appeared to have been moved to Novorossiysk.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-12597813/Putin-runs-scared-Black-Sea-Fleet-retreats-Crimean-port.html

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« Reply #1852 on: October 05, 2023, 12:32:35 pm »
They couldn't even take Ukraine, how will they invade 5 more?

The Russians didn't expect to pose the difficulty they have, and still imagine they can steamroll Ukraine. I doubt that Balitsky is aware of the attrition of men and machines inflicted by Ukraine. So while Balitsky is being unrealistic, he does reveal mainstream Russian imperialist thinking.
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« Reply #1853 on: October 05, 2023, 12:45:39 pm »
The Kilo-class submarine and the landing ship (which was being used to transport equipment and supplies) are probably both BER. Currently, they obstruct damaged drydocks, which lessens the usefulness of Sevastopol as a naval base. Whether or not the admiral commanding the fleet was killed in the strike on the headquarters building - Russian has claimed he is OK, yogi555 - many senior officers were killed, and the building is no longer usable. It doesn't garner a lot of coverage, but Ukraine has been picking off Russian radar and SAM sites protecting Sevastopol and Crimea (the attacks on the two ships and on the HQ probably exploited holes created by reduced radar and SAM coverage).

All this taken together, it was prudent, and probably well overdue, for the Black Sea Fleet to pull back to Novorossiysk. This base, too, is not utterly safe, but far fewer Ukrainians assets can reach it. So far. It says a lot about Russians' technology and how thinly stretched they are that they could not "simply" beef up protection of the Sevastopol base.
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« Reply #1854 on: October 05, 2023, 01:04:26 pm »
The Kilo-class submarine and the landing ship (which was being used to transport equipment and supplies) are probably both BER. Currently, they obstruct damaged drydocks, which lessens the usefulness of Sevastopol as a naval base. Whether or not the admiral commanding the fleet was killed in the strike on the headquarters building - Russian has claimed he is OK, yogi555 - many senior officers were killed, and the building is no longer usable. It doesn't garner a lot of coverage, but Ukraine has been picking off Russian radar and SAM sites protecting Sevastopol and Crimea (the attacks on the two ships and on the HQ probably exploited holes created by reduced radar and SAM coverage).

All this taken together, it was prudent, and probably well overdue, for the Black Sea Fleet to pull back to Novorossiysk. This base, too, is not utterly safe, but far fewer Ukrainians assets can reach it. So far. It says a lot about Russians' technology and how thinly stretched they are that they could not "simply" beef up protection of the Sevastopol base.

It also means that if the Russians cannot reliably have ships in Crimea, they are far more vulnerable if that land bridge gets severed.

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« Reply #1855 on: October 05, 2023, 01:15:18 pm »
It also means that if the Russians cannot reliably have ships in Crimea, they are far more vulnerable if that land bridge gets severed.

Not "if" but "when".

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« Reply #1856 on: October 05, 2023, 01:22:11 pm »
Putin runs scared as his Black Sea Fleet retreats from Crimean port

By DAVID AVERRE
5 October 2023

Satellite images have shown how Vladimir Putin is running scared from Ukraine's assault on Crimea, revealing that the bulk of his Black Sea Fleet has performed a major retreat. Russian warships were evacuated from Sevastopol some 237 miles to Novorossiysk on Russia's southern coast, in what British Defense Minister James Heappey called 'the functional defeat of the Black Sea Fleet'.

The exodus of around ten vessels came after Ukraine destroyed the Sevastopol headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet in a missile strike on September 22. Nine days earlier Ukrainian missiles also hit the $303 million Kilo-class attack submarine Rostov-on-Don and large landing ship Minsk in a repair shipyard in naval port Sevastopol.

The Rostov-on-Don suffered massive damage and was likely beyond repair, analysts said. OSINT analyst MT Anderson highlighted satellite images dated October 1 which indicate the move. Two Russian Project 11356 frigates Admiral Essen and Admiral Makarov, three diesel submarines, five large landing ships and several small missile ships appeared to have been moved to Novorossiysk.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-12597813/Putin-runs-scared-Black-Sea-Fleet-retreats-Crimean-port.html


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« Reply #1857 on: October 05, 2023, 04:47:18 pm »
They couldn't even take Ukraine, how will they invade 5 more?

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

They are counting on a combination of buying  off western officials to not intervene,and surrender monkeys demanding we not fight.

He may even  be right.

The "Better Red than  Dead" mindset never really  went away.

 
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« Reply #1858 on: October 05, 2023, 04:49:42 pm »
@Weird Tolkienish Figure

They are counting on a combination of buying  off western officials to not intervene,and surrender monkeys demanding we not fight.

He may even  be right.

The "Better Red than  Dead" mindset never really  went away.

They are counting on the west cutting and running.

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« Reply #1859 on: October 05, 2023, 05:06:03 pm »
They are counting on the west cutting and running.

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« Reply #1860 on: October 06, 2023, 07:42:34 am »
Putin erasing all trace of Wagner, even the cemeteries...

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« Reply #1861 on: October 06, 2023, 08:07:08 am »

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« Reply #1862 on: October 06, 2023, 09:02:20 am »
I think this version will render on the forum:

Thanks!  I tried but couldn't get it to work like that for some reason.

Pretty low, though, bulldozing and paving over the graves of fighters who died for Mother Russia.
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« Reply #1863 on: October 06, 2023, 09:28:40 am »
Thanks!  I tried but couldn't get it to work like that for some reason.

Pretty low, though, bulldozing and paving over the graves of fighters who died for Mother Russia.

Agreed that it's low.

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« Reply #1864 on: October 06, 2023, 10:12:35 am »
Agreed that it's low.

Russia treat it's soldiers as expendable, yet watch this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48DaLYiO-yk

They claim to have this reverence for them. Yet their tanks are death traps and their troops are sent body armor made out of cardboard.

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« Reply #1865 on: October 06, 2023, 12:54:08 pm »
The bruising artillery battle in Ukraine has left a scar that is visible from space

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/06/1203372829/the-bruising-artillery-battle-in-ukraine-has-left-a-scar-that-is-visible-from-sp

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The war in Ukraine has gouged a scar in the landscape so vast, that it's easily visible from space.

A new analysis by NASA's Harvest program and shared exclusively with NPR shows that between 5.2 and 6.9 million acres (2.1-2.8 million hectares) of prime farmland have been abandoned as a result of the war since 2021. The abandoned fields represent between 6.5 and 8.5% of Ukraine's total cropland.

The losses represent "a massive amount of land," says Inbal Becker-Reshef, the program director for NASA Harvest and a research professor at the University of Maryland and the University of Strasbourg in France. Much of the fallow land lies in a vast swath along the front line of the war, while other fields are in areas recently retaken by Ukrainian forces, she says.

The scar left by the fighting is easily visible in satellite imagery from the commercial company Planet. Paradoxically, the untended farmland is still green because it has filled with weeds and other plants. Harvested plots mostly appear brown in the autumn.

Becker-Reshef says that while overall, Ukraine has been able to maintain its agricultural output this year, the abandoned fields have already cost the nation around $2 billion in lost crops. Moreover, she predicts the fighting will likely hinder Ukraine's output for many years to come. As the losses compound over time, "that cost will be much, much higher," she says.

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« Reply #1866 on: October 06, 2023, 01:33:42 pm »
Ukrainians are developing new methods for detecting and eliminating mines. Rehabilitating mined land will take time, but improved techniques are in use and the clearing will happen.
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« Reply #1867 on: October 06, 2023, 03:30:13 pm »
Russia treat it's soldiers as expendable, yet watch this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48DaLYiO-yk

They claim to have this reverence for them. Yet their tanks are death traps and their troops are sent body armor made out of cardboard.

It's an odd place, Russia.

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The Soviets have always done this. Look up the "NKVD Blocking Squads" of WW-2.
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« Reply #1868 on: October 12, 2023, 11:47:36 pm »
Russia is suffering massive losses in their offensive attacks on Avdiivka over the last few days.  Nearly 2,000 dead and over 100 armored vehicles destroyed.

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/176gxku/ukrainian_military_struck_a_russian_column_of/
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« Reply #1869 on: October 14, 2023, 10:41:11 am »
Russia targets wake of Ukrainian soldier


Blood stains visible in the soil as village of Hroza mourns

James Waterhouse  |  6 Oct


The unusually large collection of vehicles and people tells you something significant has happened in the tiny village of Hroza.

After driving for hours through Ukraine's endless rural expanse, it is a jarring sight.

Such is the force from a ballistic missile, it is not always immediately obvious where the missile hit.

But, as the odour of burning still taints the air, you turn a corner to find the remaining walls of what was once a café and grocery shop.

The missile struck during a wake attended by many in the village - for what this also was, was a son's attempt to rebury his father after he was killed and buried in occupied territory last year.

Now he, his wife, and 49 others are gone too - a fifth of Hroza's population killed in one go.  .  .

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67031817
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« Reply #1870 on: October 14, 2023, 12:47:40 pm »
Russia is suffering massive losses in their offensive attacks on Avdiivka over the last few days.  Nearly 2,000 dead and over 100 armored vehicles destroyed.

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/176gxku/ukrainian_military_struck_a_russian_column_of/

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« Reply #1871 on: October 14, 2023, 09:07:58 pm »
Russia Fails Massive Assualt, 300+ Vehicles Destroyed | October 14th


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« Reply #1872 on: October 14, 2023, 09:37:14 pm »
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« Reply #1874 on: October 15, 2023, 01:13:50 pm »
Thanks for the updates @Hoodat

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« Reply #1875 on: October 16, 2023, 12:02:13 am »
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« Reply #1876 on: October 16, 2023, 12:02:52 am »
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« Reply #1877 on: October 16, 2023, 12:07:27 am »
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« Reply #1878 on: October 16, 2023, 12:11:26 am »
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« Reply #1880 on: October 16, 2023, 12:19:13 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1881 on: October 16, 2023, 11:30:18 am »
Russia’s Avdiivka Offensive: Lots Of Pain, Little Gain

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=56130

The scale of the Russian assault on Avdiivka underscores their determination to achieve their objectives. Russians have deployed what I’ve identified as at least two mechanized battalions or two battalion-tactical groups in the primary attack directions, alongside smaller units in other areas, constituting an operation of approximately regimental size. This represents a significant departure from the smaller company and platoon-sized tactical groups that both sides have employed in recent months.

Based on information from various sources, it appears that the Russians have deployed a substantial number of units, potentially constituting a force of at least a few brigades. However, the exact total number is difficult to accurately assess at this time.

One group advanced from the South-West of Avdiivka, while another attempted to advance from the North-Eastern side of Avdiivka. The group originating from Krasnohorivka initially made progress, overrunning defensive positions in the North, with some elements even reaching the railroad. Both groups suffered losses, but the northern group achieved tangible results, primarily due to the element of surprise and the concentrated firepower of a mechanized force.

Positive Aspects:

– A conservative estimate from our team, based on visual evidence, indicates that Russian forces lost a minimum of 45 vehicles, predominantly tanks and IFVs, by the morning of October 12th. The actual number is likely higher, as we lacked visuals from some areas, especially the South and South-Western regions of Avdiivka.

– The initial Russian assault did not seem to achieve the desired results of securing areas beyond the railroad in the north and seizing Sieverne and Tonenke in the south, which would significantly impact the operational environment for Ukraine.

– This operation appears to be primarily politically motivated rather than militarily necessary. Following the loss of Pisky and most of Mariinka, Avdiivka remains the only sizable settlement under Ukrainian control in close proximity to Donetsk. However, given the realities of warfare, it is unlikely that Ukraine will launch a ground offensive into Donetsk from this location in the near future. Avdiivka is well-fortified, and the Russians have suffered significant losses in multiple attempts to capture it since 2022. The Russian motivation appears to be securing a substantial public victory before winter, in contrast to the limited successes of the Ukrainian army in liberating territories in 2023 and the loss of Bakhmut.

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Negative Aspects:

– Despite prior knowledge of the enemy’s buildup for an offensive operation, the attack still caught Ukrainian forces off guard, and it appears that some areas were ill-prepared for such an assault, revealing some vulnerabilities.

– The Russians executed a regiment-sized operation by deploying several battalions and smaller auxiliary forces. This demonstrates their capacity to conduct larger-scale operations and access to sufficient resources.

– They managed to penetrate the rear and flank areas of Avdiivka. While this does not necessarily guarantee an immediate encirclement, it presents a perilous situation and an unwelcome development. The Bakhmut operation also began with substantial and seemingly unsustainable losses for the Russians, but after securing control over the flanks, the situation deteriorated for Ukrainian forces. While the operational context is different, we cannot yet assert that the situation is stable.

MSMS reports seem to reflect the same lack of Russian progress:

    A top Ukrainian commander has claimed that Russia’s biggest offensive in months – involving tanks, thousands of soldiers and armoured vehicles in an attack on the eastern Ukrainian town of Avdiivka – is failing, as he admitted Kyiv’s own attempts to advance in the south were proving “difficult”.

    Russian forces have pummelled the town over the past week, a key bulge surrounded by Russian-held territory on the eastern Donbas front.

    It is one of the largest assaults by Moscow since last year’s full-scale invasion and comes at a time when Ukraine’s counteroffensive is moving slowly, and the world is focused on the imminent Israeli ground invasion of Gaza.

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Though the early part of the offensive saw something of return of combined arms attacks, utilizing helicopter air power, Russia appears to have reverted almost immediately to their classic tactics of stupidity. “The Russian military appears to be using human wave tactics where they throw masses of poorly trained soldiers right into the battlefield without proper equipment, and apparently without proper training and preparation.”

Russia seems to have lost a lot of armor for very little gain in territory.

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« Reply #1882 on: October 17, 2023, 09:41:33 am »
Putin visits 'dear friend' Xi in Beijing
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Ukraine war live updates: Putin visits ‘dear friend’ Xi in Beijing as Ukraine reports overnight strikes
Hannah Ward-Glenton

The world is watching closely as Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Chinese counterpart and “dear friend” Xi Jinping meet at China’s Belt and Road forum in Beijing.

Putin and Xi described the relationship between their countries as having “no limits,” with “no ‘forbidden’ areas of cooperation” in a statement in February 2022. The countries deepened ties in recent years.

There are also reports that Russia is revoking ratification of a nuclear test ban treaty because it does not approve of the United States’ attitude toward global security, Reuters reported. Putin said on Oct. 5 that he would not say whether or not Russia should resume its nuclear testing. ...
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« Reply #1883 on: October 17, 2023, 02:13:10 pm »
Ukraine hits Russian forces with US-sent missiles for the first time

By Ryan King
Published Oct. 17, 2023

Ukraine destroyed nine Russian helicopters on the eastern front early Tuesday, deploying longer-range missiles recently provided by the US government for the first time.

The attack, dubbed “Operation Dragonfly,” targeted Russian forces in occupied Berdyansk on the Sea of Azov, as well as an airfield in Luhansk in the Donbas region.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed in an evening address that his forces had used the long-range ATACMS — Army Tactical Missile Systems — saying the weapons “executed very accurately” and “have proven themselves.”

In addition to the Russian helicopters, Ukraine’s Special Operations Forces claimed that a Russian anti-aircraft missile system and an ammunition warehouse were destroyed and runways were damaged.

“Losses in the enemy’s manpower amount to dozens of dead and wounded. Bodies are still being pulled from the rubble,” the service wrote on Telegram.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/10/17/ukraine-hits-russian-forces-with-us-sent-missiles-for-the-first-time/

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« Reply #1884 on: October 17, 2023, 02:17:29 pm »
ATACMS missiles can have different warheads, but the version with numerous bomblets was probably used, spreading the circle damage.
I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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« Reply #1886 on: October 17, 2023, 10:28:15 pm »
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« Reply #1887 on: October 18, 2023, 07:19:50 am »
Ukraine Destroys Russian Helicopter Base

Lawrence Person's BattleSwarm Blog 10/17/2023

Ukraine just managed to destroy nine helicopters in a single attack. Though initial sources suggested special forces were responsible, it now appears that the newly supplied ATACMS missile was used.

    Ukrainian overnight strikes on Russian military airfields in occupied Luhansk and Berdiansk destroyed nine helicopters, an air defense system, and an ammunition warehouse, the Special Operations Forces reported on Oct. 17.

    The attacks also hit the airfields’ runways and “special equipment” stored at the premises, the Ukrainian military said, without elaborating on the nature of this equipment.

    Dozens of Russian personnel were killed and wounded as a result of the operation, according to the report. “Bodies are still being pulled from the rubble.”

    The Special Operations Forces is a branch of Ukraine’s Armed Forces that conducts reconnaissance missions and covert operations behind enemy lines.

Here’s a video of the aftermath:


https://youtu.be/hKT8iLSLizM

A bit more from Kanal, where it states ATACMS was responsible


https://youtu.be/GsW1nRJdzXQ

Suchomimus has a more detailed video:


https://youtu.be/AwFQTQ5LWwg

And here’s the update on that one, when he confirms the use of ATACMS:


https://youtu.be/ICLu0jZ11Ug

One reason Russian was formerly considered the second most powerful military in the world was their vast store of Soviet-era MilTech. Vlad’s Big Adventure has pissed vast portions of that stockpile away, and the chip-heavy electronics necessary to run things like military aviation isn’t something Russia has the infrastructure to effectively replenish them anytime soon.

More: https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=56145

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« Reply #1889 on: October 18, 2023, 09:44:38 pm »
Russian sources claimed that likely company-sized elements of two Ukrainian naval infantry brigades conducted an assault across the Dnipro River onto the east (left) bank of Kherson Oblast on October 17-18. Geolocated footage published on October 18 indicates that Ukrainian forces advanced north of Pishchanivka (14km east of Kherson City and 3km from the Dnipro River) and into Poyma (11km east of Kherson City and 4km from the Dnipro River).[1] A prominent Russian milblogger claimed that two Ukrainian “assault groups” landed on the east bank of the Dnipro River and broke through initial Russian defenses, temporarily occupying all of Poyma and positions on the northern outskirts of Pishchanivka on the afternoon of October 17.[2] The milblogger later claimed that Russian forces pushed Ukrainian forces back from these positions towards the Dnipro River.[3] The milblogger claimed that a Ukrainian sabotage group is still operating in Pishchanivka as of the afternoon of October 18. The milblogger, however, suggested that Russian forces only maintain positions on the southern outskirts of the settlement. The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) also acknowledged the Ukrainian operations, claiming that Russian forces stopped four Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance groups near Pidstepne (16km east of Kherson City) and Poyma.[4] Another prominent Russian milblogger also claimed that Ukrainian forces occupied Poyma on the night of October 17 to 18.[5]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-18-2023
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« Reply #1890 on: October 19, 2023, 09:46:14 am »
Putin deploys combat dolphins to take on Ukrainian commandos: Trained animals are moved closer to the front line following spate of raids in Crimea

Satellite images indicate dolphin pens at Novoozerne, near Ukrainian forces

By WILL STEWART
19 October 2023

Russia has moved its unique combat dolphins closer to the war frontline in the Black Sea, it has been revealed.

The specially trained anti-sabotage mammals had been deployed at the harbour entrance in Sevastopol.

But satellite images now indicate dolphin sea pens at Novoozerne, 56 miles to the north, closer to where Ukrainian special forces have made incursions and landed on the Crimean peninsula.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12648171/Putin-deploys-combat-dolphins-Ukrainian-commandos-Trained-animals-moved-closer-line-following-spate-raids-Crimea.html?ico=topics_pagination_desktop

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« Reply #1891 on: October 19, 2023, 09:48:52 am »
I saw a video of Putin meeting with the Chechnyan leader guy... he didn't seem worried at all, happy as a clam. Not sure if he's delusional or his lackeys are hiding how badly his army is performing.

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« Reply #1894 on: October 20, 2023, 02:05:37 pm »
A ~2 minute update on the AYACMS attacks on the Berdyansk and Luhansk helicopter bases:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irYrnyiqQrw

Whether literally destroyed or BER, that's a bunch of helicopters Russia won't be using against Ukraine. And the ones that are repairable will be unavailable for however long repairs take to do.

The affected helicopters are a mix of Ka-52 and Mi-28 attack helicopters and Mi-8 utility helicopters.
I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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« Reply #1895 on: October 21, 2023, 09:31:30 am »
3 minute video, Russian revenge for losing their helicopters in Berdyansk and Luhansk:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_XyydfknNw

 rrthree Hopefully no junkyard dogs or barn cats were harmed by Russia's missile.
I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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« Reply #1896 on: October 21, 2023, 11:47:23 am »
3 minute video, Russian revenge for losing their helicopters in Berdyansk and Luhansk:

That's hilarious.  Russians so pathetically desperate for a propaganda win.
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« Reply #1897 on: October 21, 2023, 01:44:47 pm »
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