Ukraine 4

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Is that Douggie MacGregor, the idiot who has been happily chirping about Ukraine’s crushing defeat since Day 1 of the invasion?

Aka Donbass Dougie.

[PeteS in CA]

This video,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzXRLPxBELE

is about the missile strike on naval facilities in occupied Sevastopol. The mission-kill of the Kilo-class submarine and the Ropucha-class landing ship (capable of carrying 10 MBTs or 12 IFVs plus ~340 soldiers) is significant. The Russian Black Sea fleet has suffered quite a few sinkings and ships significantly damaged. These two ships being damaged may make the damage to their drydock the more serious damage. Russian drydock space in Black Sea ports is already strained (or beyond), so losing the drydock at Sevastopol for several months worsens that situation.

The impact of a Ropucha-class landing ship being taken out of service is that they have been use to bring supplies to Crimea. Russia's logistics capability is diminished by the temporary(?) loss of this ship. Kilo-class submarines have been used to launch cruise missiles against Ukraine, so that capability has been diminished at least temporarily by one submarine.

"Suchomimus" is one of two video producers whose GoogTube videos about Ukraine war events and progress  I frequently view (the other being "Combat Veteran Reacts"). They have an obvious POV, pro-Ukrainian, but are very careful of claims and cross-compare claims with other sources that are as close to first-hand as reasonably possible. They are interested observers, not cheerleaders.

[Kamaji]

Russian troops 'shot in friendly fire as retreat mistaken for attack'

By ELENA SALVONI
13 September 2023

ver two dozen Russian soldiers have been shot dead by their own comrades, who mistook their 'chaotic' retreat for a Ukrainian assault, according to reports. Kyiv MP Yuriy Mysiagin has claimed that Vladimir Putin's troops fired on their own men as they 'retreated to new positions chaotically and almost in a panic.'

Russian forces assumed their troops were enemy soldiers attempting to retake territory near the Donetsk airport, he said, as Ukraine steps up its counteroffensive in the occupied south and east. Artillery fire then came down on the fleeing troops, he said on Telegram, resulting in high numbers of casualties and the loss of 'several pieces of equipment'. 'The result was 27 dead and 34 wounded,' Mysiagin said, 'Approximately half of the wounded had their arms or legs blown off.'

A Ukrainian colonel also corroborated the account in a Facebook post, in which he claimed that the Russians' poor coordination probably led to the friendly fire. 'For some unknown reason, the enemy artillery began to fire, not near the front line or behind Ukrainian positions in order to suppress our firepower, but on the positions and rear of this unit,' Mashovets said in the post on September 10.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-12514097/Russian-troops-shot-friendly-fire-retreat-mistaken-attack.html

[txradioguy]

I don't know if we can really believe the propaganda each are saying in this conflict.  Zellinski is a despicable grifting POS, but Vlad is even magnitudes worse.

The peripheral losers are us taxpayers having to fund this shit.

The Grifting POS just made a veiled threat to any country thinking if reducing funding for his money laundering scheme.

“There is no way of predicting how the millions of Ukrainian refugees in European countries would react to their country being abandoned”, Zelensky is reported to have intoned, saying while they are grateful for the asylum they had been given during the war and had “behaved well” so far, this could apparently not be guaranteed to continue.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/09/13/that-a-threat-zelensky-warns-ukrainians-in-europe-could-act-unpredictably-if-western-aid-is-cut/

[PeteS in CA]

It takes a lot of pretzellation to make Zelensky's comment a "threat". Especially when he was commenting about the possible actions of people not in Ukraine and outside of his jurisdiction and control.

I notice the invitation to provide evidence that Zelensky is a "grifter" was ignored. Maybe the blatantly obvious facts that Ukraine is using US and European aid to destroy Russian military equipment - equipment the US and EuroLand will never have to face directly - is killing Russia's troops, many of whom are the best trained and most experienced, and is liberating Ukrainian territory makes providing that evidence difficult. Because Ukraine is clearly using US and EuroLand aid for the intended purpose.

[txradioguy]

It takes a lot of pretzellation to make Zelensky's comment a "threat". Especially when he was commenting about the possible actions of people not in Ukraine and outside of his jurisdiction and control.

I notice the invitation to provide evidence that Zelensky is a "grifter" was ignored. Maybe the blatantly obvious facts that Ukraine is using US and European aid to destroy Russian military equipment - equipment the US and EuroLand will never have to face directly - is killing Russia's troops, many of whom are the best trained and most experienced, and is liberating Ukrainian territory makes providing that evidence difficult. Because Ukraine is clearly using US and EuroLand aid for the intended purpose.

No "pretzellation" at all.  It was a veiled threat to anyone that dared to reduce the money to pay for his grift that they better think twice or there would be trouble.

If a Dem politician in this country had made the same kind of remark about say...reducing funding for welfare...you'd be apoplectic.


Riddle me this...what is our vested national interest in a never-ending faucet of moey...money we don't have....flowing to Ukraine?


And that money we're sending...is paying the pensions of their retireees....funding the budgets of their cities and towns and federal government.  It's not all going to bullets bombs and tanks.

Don't kid yourself on that one.


Meanwhile back in America...where that money could be used for our own people...

[Kamaji]

No "pretzellation" at all.  It was a veiled threat to anyone that dared to reduce the money to pay for his grift that they better think twice or there would be trouble.

If a Dem politician in this country had made the same kind of remark about say...reducing funding for welfare...you'd be apoplectic.


Riddle me this...what is our vested national interest in a never-ending faucet of moey...money we don't have....flowing to Ukraine?


And that money we're sending...is paying the pensions of their retireees....funding the budgets of their cities and towns and federal government.  It's not all going to bullets bombs and tanks.

Don't kid yourself on that one.


Meanwhile back in America...where that money could be used for our own people...

What color is the Putin kool-aid, btw?

[Timber Rattler]

While the interview with the Economist largely paraphrases Zelensky’s words — as a non-native speaker his English can be a little convoluted — the meaning appears from their writing to be clear, as the magazine warns curtailing aid would “create risks for the West in its own backyard”.

“There is no way of predicting how the millions of Ukrainian refugees in European countries would react to their country being abandoned”, Zelensky is reported to have intoned, saying while they are grateful for the asylum they had been given during the war and had “behaved well” so far, this could apparently not be guaranteed to continue.

Or in other words, Zelensky never said any such thing at all.

Breitbart has really fallen a long way since Andrew died (or was offed).

[Kamaji]

Ukraine takes credit for missile attack on key Crimean port

By Jesse O’Neill
Published Sep. 13, 2023

Ukraine unleashed a barrage of missiles and attack boats on a strategic Russian naval port in the annexed Crimean city of Sevastopol early Wednesday, injuring dozens and marking its largest apparent attack on the Black Sea Fleet since the start of Russia’s unprovoked war.

Kyiv broke its tradition of remaining coy about its counterattacks and acknowledged the blitz on Russian warships and naval infrastructure in a public statement.

“On the morning of Sept. 13 the Ukrainian armed forces conducted successful strikes on naval assets and port infrastructure of the occupiers at the docks of temporarily occupied Sevastopol,” it said on Telegram.

“We confirm a large landing vessel and submarine were hit. We do not comment on the means (used) for the strike,” Ukrainian military intelligence official Andriy Yusov said, without elaborating on damage or casualties.

“It really is the biggest attack on Sevastopol since the beginning of the war,” retired Ukrainian navy captain Andriy Ryzhenko added.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/09/13/ukraine-takes-credit-for-missile-attack-on-crimean-port/

[Hoodat]

Or in other words, Zelensky never said any such thing at all.

Correctamundo.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

It was a veiled threat to anyone that dared to reduce the money to pay for his grift that they better think twice or there would be trouble.

I think that's self-evident anyway.

If the West cuts off aid to Ukraine, and Ukraine falls as a result, there clearly are going to be massive issues throughout Europe with Ukrainian refugees.  The ones that have already left Ukraine aren't going to go back, and there likely would be millions more fleeing Russian occupation.

By the way, the European burden of dealing with Ukrainian refugees is something that often goes unmentioned when talking about Europe doing its "fair share.". But that has been a very real cost and burden born by Europe.

[Kamaji]

Ukraine 'destroys Russian air defense system' in Crimea

By RACHAEL BUNYAN  and WILL STEWART and REUTERS
14 September 2023

Ukraine destroyed a state-of-the-art Russian air defense system in an overnight drone and missile attack in annexed Crimea, Kyiv has claimed. Kyiv 's security service (SBU) managed to blind the S-400 'Triumf' system by firing a series of drones at its radar and antenna before the Navy fired two its newly-developed Neptune cruise missiles at the system's launch complexes, a Ukrainian intelligence source said. Video footage showed powerful explosions and a plume of smoke rising in the night sky near the western town of Yevatoriya, which is where the Russian facility is located.

The strikes on the S-400 is significant since the state-of-the-art air defense system and associated radar should detect and nullify drones and missiles over some 200 miles. And it illustrates yet again the success of Ukraine's Neptune anti-ship missile, which has been modified to attack ground targets, military analysts say. Last month, Ukraine detonated a modified subsonic Neptune missile in Crimea, destroying another of Russia 's S-400 Triumf air defense systems in a spectacular explosion that also took out Russian troops.

Initial speculation was that Kyiv had used a British or French supplied Storm Shadow missile with pinpoint accuracy in last month's deadly strike on Olenivka at Cape Tarkhankut in northwest Crimea. But a Ukrainian official confirmed that the attack was '100 per cent carried out by a modified Neptune'. Russia has yet to comment on the latest attack on the S-400 Triumf system. Instead, Moscow said its air defenses shot down 11 attack drones overnight over Crimea, which Russia seized and annexed from Ukraine in 2014.

Debris from the Ukrainian drones was found in Yevpatoriya, said Russian reports, while locals reported hearing 15 explosions that caused buildings to shake. The S-400 'Triumf' system is designed to destroy aircraft, cruise and ballistic missiles, including medium-range missiles. It can also be used on ground targets. Separately in the Russian region of Saratov, near the village of Krasny Oktyabr, a huge explosion on a major gas pipeline sent flames shooting into the sky today.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-12518885/Ukraine-destroys-Russian-air-defense-Crimea.html

[PeteS in CA]

Whether orcish SAM systems and radars are mission-killed or destroyed - or captured, as in the oil platforms captured last week - Ukraine is paring down the orcs' warning and anti-air network, diminishing warning and protection for the orcs' valuable facilities in the Crimean Peninsula. The Russian air force would be prudent to move its air assets out of Crimea and the Russian navy would be prudent to remove its ships and stores out of Sevastopol. Novorossiysk isn't utterly safe, but attacking the naval base there is more difficult.

From what I've heard since initial reports of the missile attack in Sevastopol, the Russian landing craft and submarine are "non recoverable". Of course, the drydocks they occupy are, at best, unusable until the hulks and other debris are removed.

[ScottinVA]

Or in other words, Zelensky never said any such thing at all.

Breitbart has really fallen a long way since Andrew died (or was offed).

Exactly.  The Putinist gaggle has been trying to hang all kinds of BS accusations on Zelensky, with nary a shred of real evidence. 

[PeteS in CA]

Exactly.  The Putinist gaggle has been trying to hang all kinds of BS accusations on Zelensky, with nary a shred of real evidence.

Stirring up anti-Ukrainian outrage is easier when the "facts" are fabrications. Not that showing facts would matter to the fabricators.

[Hoodat]

Leopard Tank Operators in Ukraine

[PeteS in CA]

Leopard Tank Operators in Ukraine
...

I saw this video yesterday. I like the comment that going from a T-64 to a Leopard 2 was like going from a Lada to a Porsche. The variant Ukraine has is late 1980s vintage; the T-64 Ukraine has were probably built in the early 80s, but have been upgraded some by Ukraine. One can only do so much to upgrade a 1960s design.

[ScottinVA]

Stirring up anti-Ukrainian outrage is easier when the "facts" are fabrications. Not that showing facts would matter to the fabricators.

In their case, their opinions and actions are driven by their schoolgirl crush for Putin.  Emotions carry the day for them, as facts are immaterial.

[Kamaji]

Putin 'censors reports of second mass mobilization to avoid panic'

By JAMES REYNOLDS
15 September 2023

Russia is reportedly trying to censor media coverage of a rumored second mass mobilization of reserve troops to stamp out discontent in the leadup to next year's presidential elections. Pro-Kremlin media have allegedly received a memo issuing guidelines and including an 'urgent request' to downplay speculation that Russia might be getting ready to call up more reservists to funnel into its brutal invasion of Ukraine.

Opposition outlet Meduza yesterday claimed to have seen the guidelines, shared by employees working for state-controlled media. One reportedly told the publication: 'Everybody knows, if the government is denying something's going to happen, it's definitely happening.' The memo allegedly told pro-Kremlin outlets to instead focus on coverage of contract recruitment for the military. Russia has upped efforts to censor dissident voices this year. Only on Thursday, State Duma Deputy Anton Gorelkin said that Russia should consider blocking WhatsApp in Russia if the app launches Russian language channels.

State censor Roskomnadzor added that Russia could block WhatsApp if it disseminates prohibited information as the application prepares to launch a channel feature to feature over 150 countries, likely including Russia. Rumors of a second call-up of reserves have mounted in the lead-up to the start of the six-monthly conscription cycle on October 1. Earlier this month, a fake photograph of a signed mobilization order caused a stir on Russian social media.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-12524383/Putin-censors-reports-second-mass-mobilization-avoid-panic.html

[txradioguy]

Or in other words, Zelensky never said any such thing at all.

Breitbart has really fallen a long way since Andrew died (or was offed).

If you feel the need to twist yourself into a pretzel to deny what Zelensky was subtly hinting at...that's on you.

I'm sorry you've drank so deeply from the Blue and Yellow Kool-Aid.


What's really sad is to see so many people...Trump supporters...Libertarians...Reagan conservatives etc...who applauded Trump for not starting any new wars during his Presidency...grabbing the pom poms and donning the cheerleader skirts for Ukraine.


Congratulations...you and Joe Biden are on the same side on this one.

Hope you're proud of yourselves.

[txradioguy]

Stirring up anti-Ukrainian outrage is easier when the "facts" are fabrications. Not that showing facts would matter to the fabricators.

Here's a novel thought...you can support the Ukranian people in their fight and still despise the corrupt government stealing our money.

[Timber Rattler]

Congratulations...you and Joe Biden are on the same side on this one.

Hope you're proud of yourselves.

Well, I'm sorry that you and vicious thug tyrant Vladimir Putin are on the same side on this one.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[txradioguy]

Well, I'm sorry that you and vicious thug tyrant Vladimir Putin are on the same side on this one.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

I'm not on Putin's side either.  This "either you're with us or you're against us" knee jerk response is something I'd expect from a Democrat.

I'm ashamed of nothing...because it's possible to not like Putin AND not like the Zelensky grift at the same time.

[kevindavis007]

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1703020865774907756

[kevindavis007]

I'm not on Putin's side either.  This "either you're with us or you're against us" knee jerk response is something I'd expect from a Democrat.

I'm ashamed of nothing...because it's possible to not like Putin AND not like the Zelensky grift at the same time.

Let me put it this way:


The more Russians that Ukraine kills the better it is for this country long term.