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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1400 on: August 29, 2023, 11:12:05 am »
There Are So Many Explosives-Laden Drones Flying Over Southern Ukraine That They’re Running Into Each Other


https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/08/28/there-are-so-many-explosives-laden-drones-flying-over-southern-ukraine-that-theyre-running-into-each-other/?sh=647e8ab29389

This is like an RF geek's wet dream here:

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Air-defenses on both sides of Russia’s 19-month wider war on Ukraine now include drone-jammers: handheld, vehicle-mounted or mast-mounted devices that fry drones with microwave radiation, scramble the radio signals that link them to their operators or block their satellite-navigation links.

The Russian jamming is effective, Voroshnov said. “Six months ago, this was not the case: we could fly anywhere, as we wanted,” he moaned. “Now, if you enter at a low altitude, the anti-drone [systems] will definitely work on you.”


Voroshnov stressed that there are countercountermeasures—perhaps an unspoken reference to frequency-hopping controls that stay just ahead of Russian jamming.

“We find ways,” he said. “This is the kind of war here: the enemy complicates the task, you look for other ways. He closed the window [so] you enter through the back door. They invent something; we look for a way to bypass their developments.”
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« Reply #1401 on: August 29, 2023, 06:08:38 pm »
Ukraine's troops pick off Putin's soldiers one-by-one in brutal close-quarters combat footage as Kyiv's counter-offensive makes more gains into Russia's Zaporizhzhia defences

    Ukraine confirmed on Monday that its armed forces had captured Robotyne
    It is the latest in a series of villages liberated as soldiers continue to push south

By Chris Jewers
29 August 2023

Ukraine's forces have pushed deeper into Russian defensive lines in the country's south, Kyiv said today, as footage emerged of intense close-quarters combat between Ukraine's armed forces and Moscow's invading infantrymen.

Kyiv launched a grinding counteroffensive in June after stockpiling Western-supplied weapons and building up assault battalions. Unlike two rapid assaults last summer, Ukraine's armies have made slow progress through dense defences and minefields.

Nevertheless, gains have been made, and on Monday Kyiv confirmed the Armed Forces of Ukraine had liberated the village of Robotyne on the southern front - the latest in a series of villages liberated as Ukraine pushes towards the Sea of Azov.

As Ukraine has stepped up its assault, Russia has stepped up its shelling. On Tuesday, Kyiv ordered the evacuation of children from five towns in the region.

Speaking on Ukrainian television, Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk said that the evacuation of children from the Vasylivskyi and Pologivskyi districts is now mandatory. Around 50 children are still though to be living in the districts.

This came as footage was released showing brutal, close-quarters fighting between Ukrainian and Russian soldiers, bringing home the reality of a war that is nearing its 19th month and showing no sign of ending.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12456657/Ukraine-troops-make-gains-Robotyne-Zaporizhzhia-counteroffensive.html

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Sadly,Russia can NOT even agree to a cease-fire because it would show weakness,and their system primarily runs on "Macho",NOT "reality.

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For an actual lasting peace to break it,it would require another revolution in Russia,with the revolutionaries overthrowing the Soviet system.

Because of all this,the ONLY way I see "peace breaking out all over in Ukraine and Russia would be for the Ukrainians to win a massive victory over Soviet ground and air forces,and then declare they are ready to sign a peace agreement. That way the Soviets would get to claim they weren't defeated.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1402 on: August 29, 2023, 08:38:15 pm »
 Biden administration announces additional $250 million in Ukraine aid as war grinds on
By Ryan King   
August 29, 2023 6:14pm

The Biden administration unveiled another $250 million aid package meant for Ukraine Tuesday as the eastern European nation’s counter-offensive against invading Russian forces grinds on.

Materiel set to be dispatched to the war-torn country include AIM-9M missiles for air defense, 155mm and 105mm artillery ammunition, munitions for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), more than three million rounds of small arms ammunition, and ambulances, according to the State Department.

“Russia started this war and could end it at any time by withdrawing its forces from Ukraine and stopping its brutal attacks,” Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in a statement.

“Until it does, the United States and our allies and partners will stand united with Ukraine, for as long as it takes.”

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« Reply #1403 on: August 29, 2023, 08:39:47 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1404 on: August 29, 2023, 09:18:47 pm »
Materiel set to be dispatched to the war-torn country include AIM-9M missiles for air defense, 155mm and 105mm artillery ammunition, munitions for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), more than three million rounds of small arms ammunition, and ambulances, according to the State Department.

Ah, so it is an aid package for the State Department who will be getting their cut of the money through hefty shipping and handling charges.
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« Reply #1405 on: August 29, 2023, 10:57:58 pm »
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« Reply #1407 on: August 30, 2023, 01:17:36 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1408 on: August 30, 2023, 06:49:17 am »
Zelensky's drones hit Russian regions as Kyiv suffers missile attack

By JON BRADY
30 August 2023

Vladimir Putin suffered his worst night of bombardment of the war as Ukraine hit back at Russia with a series of drone strikes deep into enemy territory. Russian military aircraft were damaged and civilian aviation was disrupted in the drone attacks, Russian officials said, citing Pskov, Bryansk, Kaluga, Orlov, Ryazan and Moscow regions as targeted, as well as Russian-occupied Crimea.

Most of the drones were reportedly shot out of the skies by Russian air defences. But the most significant attack saw drones strike Pskov airport in western Russia just 20 miles from the border of Estonia - resulting in the destruction of two heavy military Il-76 transport planes and damage to two more, reports said. Footage shared on social media showed huge explosions lighting up the night's sky over the airport that sits 40 miles from the neighboring Baltic, NATO and European Union states of Estonia and Latvia . The strikes came as Ukraine also suffered a massive overnight attack, described as the 'most powerful' barrage of missiles since the spring.

Authorities said two people were killed, as Russia claimed it destroyed four Ukrainian boats in the Black Sea carrying up to 50 soldiers. Ukraine, which has yet to achieve a major success in its summer ground counteroffensive, has struck deep into Russia in recent months, including an attack on the Kremlin in May and numerous drone attacks on civilian targets in Moscow. Ukraine typically does not comment on who is behind attacks on Russian territory, although officials have publicly expressed satisfaction over them.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-12460519/Zelenskys-drones-hit-Russian-regions-Kyiv-suffers-missile-attack.html

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« Reply #1409 on: August 30, 2023, 11:03:40 am »
Pskov is not very close to Ukraine. It's near the 3 Baltic countries, and closer to Belarus than Ukraine. But it was a spetsnaz, special forces, base and those spets naz now have 4 fewer transport planes. In addition to the direct value of 4 destroyed/mission-killed transports, the attack reminds Russia that its interior is within Ukraine's reach.
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« Reply #1410 on: August 31, 2023, 11:00:53 am »
The only real long-term hope Russia has for a positive outcome is Trump getting into office and cutting off all military aid to Ukraine.  He's definitely given Russia a clear incentive not to compromise, which almost certainly was his goal.  Doin' favors for his buddy Vlad.

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« Reply #1411 on: August 31, 2023, 11:11:49 am »
The only real long-term hope Russia has for a positive outcome is Trump getting into office and cutting off all military aid to Ukraine.  He's definitely given Russia a clear incentive not to compromise, which almost certainly was his goal.  Doin' favors for his buddy Vlad.

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« Reply #1412 on: August 31, 2023, 12:58:39 pm »
Sounds like a breakthrough might be occurring finally...

Ukraine breaks through major Russian defense lines as counteroffensive picks up pace

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4180771-ukraine-breaks-through-major-russian-defense-lines-as-counteroffensive-picks-up-pace/

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Ukrainian forces have broken through major Russian lines of defense in the southeastern region, where a slow counteroffensive has struggled for months to make rapid progress but could soon see a major breakthrough.

Ukraine is moving deeper into the Zaporizhzhia region after securing a major foothold past Russian lines, advancing forward in the direction of towns that could anchor troops even more in the southeast: Verbove and Novoprokopivka.

The general staff of Ukraine’s armed forces reported Wednesday that troops have succeeded in a march toward both towns, strengthening their position and firing waves of artillery at Russian lines.

Ukraine may also have pierced the first line of defenses of what is known as the Surovikin line, named for the infamous Russian Gen. Sergei Surovikin who ordered construction of thick defenses, such as anti-tank obstacles and mine fields, ahead of Kyiv’s counteroffensive operation.

George Barros, a Russia analyst at the Institute for the Study of War, shared geolocated images of Ukrainian forces just outside of Verbove — but cautioned that they did not mean the military had breached the Surovikin line of defense.

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Also reported in the Wall Street Journal but it's behind a paywall:

Ukrainian Counteroffensive Pierces Main Russian Defensive Line in Southeast

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukrainian-counteroffensive-pierces-main-russian-defensive-line-in-southeast-9441e204?st=e3u37eksxmbrpgc&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1413 on: August 31, 2023, 11:55:14 pm »
Sounds like a breakthrough might be occurring finally...

Ukraine breaks through major Russian defense lines as counteroffensive picks up pace

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4180771-ukraine-breaks-through-major-russian-defense-lines-as-counteroffensive-picks-up-pace/

EXCERPT

Also reported in the Wall Street Journal but it's behind a paywall:

Ukrainian Counteroffensive Pierces Main Russian Defensive Line in Southeast

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukrainian-counteroffensive-pierces-main-russian-defensive-line-in-southeast-9441e204?st=e3u37eksxmbrpgc&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Glad to see this.  It was only a matter of time before the orc defensive lines would be severed.  We could see some serious progress toward liberation in the coming days.

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« Reply #1414 on: September 01, 2023, 12:03:51 am »
Glad to see this.  It was only a matter of time before the orc defensive lines would be severed.  We could see some serious progress toward liberation in the coming days.
Not unlike the Allies breaking out of hedgerow country after D-Day. It took a while.
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« Reply #1415 on: September 01, 2023, 01:41:07 am »
Not unlike the Allies breaking out of hedgerow country after D-Day. It took a while.

And unlike the Allies, Ukraine doesn't enjoy air superiority.
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« Reply #1416 on: September 01, 2023, 12:36:43 pm »
And unlike the Allies, Ukraine doesn't enjoy air superiority.


From what I'm seeing, neither side has it.
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« Reply #1417 on: September 01, 2023, 03:14:04 pm »

From what I'm seeing, neither side has it.

Check the the ADS-B Exchange site periodically.  I can attest that the Uke airspace has been totally empty for over a year now.

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« Reply #1418 on: September 01, 2023, 05:48:49 pm »
Modern surface to air weapons making aircraft very vulnerable. Unless you have the tech to avoid those weapons no one wants to fly missions over enemy territory.

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« Reply #1419 on: September 01, 2023, 05:56:49 pm »
Exclusive: US to send depleted-uranium munitions to Ukraine

WASHINGTON, Sept 1 (Reuters) - The Biden administration will for the first time send controversial armor-piercing munitions containing depleted uranium to Ukraine, according to a document seen by Reuters and separately confirmed by two U.S. officials.

The rounds, which could help destroy Russian tanks, are part of a new military aid package for Ukraine set to be unveiled in the next week. The munitions can be fired from U.S. Abrams tanks that, according to a person familiar with the matter, are expected be delivered to Ukraine in the coming weeks.

One of the officials said that the coming aid package will be worth between $240 million and $375 million depending on what is included.

The value and contents of the package were still being finalized, the officials said. The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Although Britain sent depleted uranium munitions to Ukraine earlier this year, this would be the first U.S. shipment of the ammunition and will likely stir controversy. It follows an earlier decision by the Biden administration to provide cluster munitions to Ukraine, despite concerns over the dangers such weapons pose to civilians.

The use of depleted uranium munitions has been fiercely debated, with opponents like the International Coalition to Ban Uranium Weapons saying there are dangerous health risks from ingesting or inhaling depleted uranium dust, including cancers and birth defects.

A by-product of uranium enrichment, depleted uranium is used for ammunition because its extreme density gives rounds the ability to easily penetrate armor plating and self-ignite in a searing cloud of dust and metal.

While depleted uranium is radioactive, it is considerably less so than naturally occurring uranium, although particles can linger for a considerable time.

The United States used depleted uranium munitions in massive quantities in the 1990 and 2003 Gulf Wars and the NATO bombing of former Yugoslavia in 1999.

The U.N. nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, says that studies in former Yugoslavia, Kuwait, Iraq and Lebanon "indicated that the existence of depleted uranium residues dispersed in the environment does not pose a radiological hazard to the population of the affected regions."

Still, the radioactive material could add to Ukraine's massive post-war clean-up challenge. Parts of the country are already strewn with unexploded ordnance from cluster bombs and other munitions and hundreds of thousands of anti-personnel mines............

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-send-its-first-depleted-uranium-rounds-ukraine-sources-2023-09-01/

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« Reply #1420 on: September 01, 2023, 06:06:14 pm »
If you want to wake up Moscow, that they are doing real damage to real people then take out their electricity.
Easy to do. Just bomb to the East of Moscow proper. Make it look like an accident. Russia is very familiar with "accidents".
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« Reply #1421 on: September 01, 2023, 06:19:58 pm »
If you want to wake up Moscow, that they are doing real damage to real people then take out their electricity.
Easy to do. Just bomb to the East of Moscow proper. Make it look like an accident. Russia is very familiar with "accidents".
We used graphite fiber munitions for that purpose in Iraq, the munitions airburst over power stations deploy graphite fibers which short out the transformers and bring the grid down.

You would think smaller versions would be drone deployable.
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« Reply #1422 on: September 01, 2023, 06:51:04 pm »
We used graphite fiber munitions for that purpose in Iraq, the munitions airburst over power stations deploy graphite fibers which short out the transformers and bring the grid down.

You would think smaller versions would be drone deployable.
I know. I agree. But it is mysterious that Ukraine has not done that.
That would be the first thing on my list. And yet, nothing?
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« Reply #1423 on: September 01, 2023, 06:54:40 pm »
Is it possible that Volodymyr Zelenskyy sees war as a profit model for him?
Is he holding back because he wants the war?
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« Reply #1424 on: September 01, 2023, 07:32:27 pm »
Is it possible that Volodymyr Zelenskyy sees war as a profit model for him?
Is he holding back because he wants the war?

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« Reply #1425 on: September 01, 2023, 07:40:18 pm »
Is it possible that Volodymyr Zelenskyy sees war as a profit model for him?
Is he holding back because he wants the war?

Not that Vladimir “Lebensraum” Putin’s lust for reestablishing the USSR has anything to do with it.
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« Reply #1426 on: September 01, 2023, 07:46:17 pm »
Is it possible that Volodymyr Zelenskyy sees war as a profit model for him?
Is he holding back because he wants the war?

IMHO, yes to both.

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« Reply #1427 on: September 01, 2023, 07:51:16 pm »
Not that Vladimir “Lebensraum” Putin’s lust for reestablishing the USSR has anything to do with it.
OK ... so do it. Putin is not going to launch nuclear. And even if he did, none of his commanders would follow him.
I am saying that it is past time for Ukraine to get serious. Drone Moscow City Electric.
Take away their electricity and then they will know that we are all playing for real.
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« Reply #1428 on: September 01, 2023, 07:54:21 pm »
OK ... so do it. Putin is not going to launch nuclear. And even if he did, none of his commanders would follow him.
I am saying that it is past time for Ukraine to get serious. Drone Moscow City Electric.
Take away their electricity and then they will know that we are all playing for real.

That is such a steaming hot pile of B.S.  Ukraine has more urgent priorities for its drones, such as attacking the orcs that currently infest parts of their territory.  The drone attacks on Russia proper so far have been more in the line of feints, designed to keep the Russians off-balance.  Further, the fact of the matter is that Russia has still managed to shoot down a significant number of the Ukraine drones being deployed against it, and that would almost certainly be a much higher number for things like electric infrastructure.

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« Reply #1429 on: September 01, 2023, 08:02:11 pm »
That is such a steaming hot pile of B.S.  Ukraine has more urgent priorities for its drones, such as attacking the orcs that currently infest parts of their territory.  The drone attacks on Russia proper so far have been more in the line of feints, designed to keep the Russians off-balance.  Further, the fact of the matter is that Russia has still managed to shoot down a significant number of the Ukraine drones being deployed against it, and that would almost certainly be a much higher number for things like electric infrastructure.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1430 on: September 01, 2023, 08:30:04 pm »
Is it possible that Volodymyr Zelenskyy sees war as a profit model for him?
Is he holding back because he wants the war?

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I could very likely be wrong,but I SUSPECT it MIGHT be because if he did that,the Soviets would do the same to Ukraine.

Frankly,I have no freaking idea what is going through what is left of Putin's mind at this time,other than "How can I insure MY PERSONAL survival"?

Sooner or later the senior Soviet Generals are going to remember where they hide their balls,and Putin either immediately comes up with a plan to stop the war the Ukrainians will agreed to,or Putin is going to get replaced.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1431 on: September 01, 2023, 08:55:15 pm »
Further, the fact of the matter is that Russia has still managed to shoot down a significant number of the Ukraine drones being deployed against it, and that would almost certainly be a much higher number for things like electric infrastructure.
OK
What is the difference between 100 and 1000. They can 'shoot down' all they want. I will still hit the target.
Drones are drones. They exist to be shot down. But not before they do their business.
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« Reply #1432 on: September 02, 2023, 07:30:56 am »
Small unit war.  House by house.  Village by village.

A Brutal Path Forward, Village by Village

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/02/world/europe/ukraine-russia-counteroffensive.html

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The mission for the Ukrainian unit was to take a single house, in a village that is only a speck on the map but was serving as a stronghold for Russian soldiers.

Andriy, a veteran marine, had waited for three days with his small assault team — none of whom had seen combat before — as other Ukrainian units crawled through minefields, stormed trenches and cleared a path to the farming village of Urozhaine. Finally, one day last month, the order came to move.

They raced to a predetermined location in an armored personnel carrier, and disembarked as explosions and gunfire rattled the ground beneath their feet, Andriy and members of his unit said. Driving out or killing the remaining Russians, they secured the house as night fell, posting guards and reviewing the day’s tactics to see how they might improve.

In the morning, the new order came: Take another house.

The monthslong campaign to breach heavily fortified Russian lines is being conducted in many domains and in many forms of battle, with artillery duels and drone strikes across the breadth of the front in southern Ukraine. But the engine driving the effort are hundreds of small-scale assault groups, often just eight to 10 soldiers, each tasked with attacking a single trench, tree line or house.

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« Reply #1433 on: September 02, 2023, 08:48:32 am »
Total bullshit. What’s next, ranting about the Joos?
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« Reply #1434 on: September 02, 2023, 10:33:17 am »
Is it possible that Volodymyr Zelenskyy sees war as a profit model for him?
Is he holding back because he wants the war?


Maybe he doesn't want Ukraine to be part of Russia again!!
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« Reply #1435 on: September 02, 2023, 10:40:51 am »
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That made me chuckle. I am "the Joos" ... dumbass.
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« Reply #1436 on: September 02, 2023, 10:42:46 am »

Maybe he doesn't want Ukraine to be part of Russia again!!

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Given what is in store for him and his family if Ukraine looses and the Soviets occupy Ukraine again,MY best guess is he wants to win independence from Russia.
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« Reply #1437 on: September 02, 2023, 11:00:31 am »
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Given what is in store for him and his family if Ukraine looses and the Soviets occupy Ukraine again,MY best guess is he wants to win independence from Russia.

The past 100 years of Soviet/Russian starving and oppressing/suppressing Ukrainians and Ukrainian culture probably is a motive as well.
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« Reply #1438 on: September 02, 2023, 11:21:25 am »
The past 100 years of Soviet/Russian starving and oppressing/suppressing Ukrainians and Ukrainian culture probably is a motive as well.

Ukrainians have a deep-seated hatred of Russians for exactly the reasons you state.  goopo
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« Reply #1439 on: September 02, 2023, 11:35:47 am »
Ukrainians have a deep-seated hatred of Russians for exactly the reasons you state.  goopo

There's a personal side in this that I very occasionally mention. My Dad's parents emigrated from what is now Ukraine in the 00s, knowing what was coming - being German and land-owning farmers. My grandmother's brothers did not. They were in the army and ended up serving through WW1. They were in touch with my grandparents in the early-mid 20s, but then went silent. Whether as "formers", ethnic Germans, sons-of-kulaks, or in the Holodomor, Stalin killed them among the 10s of millions of ordinary people he killed. Neither a rebuilding of the Soviet empire nor Russia again having power over Ukraine will be a good thing.

On another tack, besides Ukraine grinding down Russian armor and air - weapons and skilled/trained personnel US forces now could never face - the US is learning A LOT about Russian weapons and tactics (just as the US has, for decades, from Israel).
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« Reply #1440 on: September 02, 2023, 01:06:13 pm »
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« Reply #1441 on: September 02, 2023, 01:42:24 pm »
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« Reply #1442 on: September 02, 2023, 01:44:31 pm »
Another fire in Russia:

Stuck around St. Petersburg when I saw it was a time for a change . . .
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« Reply #1443 on: September 02, 2023, 02:21:10 pm »
OK ... so do it. Putin is not going to launch nuclear. And even if he did, none of his commanders would follow him.
I am saying that it is past time for Ukraine to get serious. Drone Moscow City Electric.
Take away their electricity and then they will know that we are all playing for real.

I’m sure they’re working toward that.  Currently - unlike the Russians who titillate themselves by targeting innocent civilians - the Ukrainians are hitting military targets.. and with appreciable success.

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« Reply #1444 on: September 02, 2023, 06:05:51 pm »
With the majority of weapons production outside of Ukraine, striking civilian populations does nothing but cause suffering and terror. It also consumes Russian weapons without military benefit.

The Russians are going to own this horror for many decades to come. They're going to go down in the history books as little different than the NAZIs.

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« Reply #1445 on: September 02, 2023, 06:57:01 pm »
Is it possible that Volodymyr Zelenskyy sees war as a profit model for him?
Is he holding back because he wants the war?

For a long time, the US and other Western governments deliberately withheld from Ukraine any long-range weapons that could reach inside Russia, and for that matter a lot of basic offensive weapon systems like tanks.  We basically gave Ukraine only enough support not to lose.

Even now, the single biggest disparity on the front is Russian air power, and it is very difficult to conduct consistent offensive ground operations when the other side has the advantage in the air.   And we still haven't begun to provide the Ukrainians with even older-generation F-16's, so that disadvantage is going to be in place for a while.

They do have more drones now, but the reality is that drone strikes against civilian infrastructure are no more likely to get Russia to end the war than they were able to get Ukraine to surrender.   The best use of those weapons if you actually intend to win the war is to use them against select, high-value military targets. 

The problem is that such targets don't always make themselves readily available for such strikes.   Also, because those munitions aren't unlmited, it makes sense to hold them until their military impact can be maximized.  Most likely, that means striking at key communications and supply centers in Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, and Crimea only after the land bridge from Russia has been severed.

In other words...no.  Zelensky isn't trying trying to prolong the war.  This is just what a real war looks like.
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« Reply #1446 on: September 02, 2023, 07:17:05 pm »
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In other words...no.  Zelensky isn't trying trying to prolong the war.  This is just what a real war looks like.

War looks different when resources are limited and it's up close and existential.
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« Reply #1447 on: September 02, 2023, 08:16:18 pm »
For a long time, the US and other Western governments deliberately withheld from Ukraine any long-range weapons that could reach inside Russia, and for that matter a lot of basic offensive weapon systems like tanks.  We basically gave Ukraine only enough support not to lose.

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« Reply #1448 on: September 02, 2023, 08:50:15 pm »
I’m sure they’re working toward that.  Currently - unlike the Russians who titillate themselves by targeting innocent civilians - the Ukrainians are hitting military targets.. and with appreciable success.

@ScottinVA

And THAT,my friends,is where "the rubber meets the road". The Soviets  are fools that are willing to sacrifice their working-class males to an amazing degree,as long as the political leadership suffers no harm.

At the rate things are going,there just may be some changes made in an "old town" in the near future. After all,you can only draft and sacrifice so many  young men before their families start thinking about certain deaths closer to home,and MY best GUESS is even in Moscow and St.Petersburg,the working class families are getting tired of seeing their boys go off to war and not coming back home unless it is in a box.

Not to mention that NO ruler,or even dictator,can continue to have senior Generals removed from their commands and/or executed before the military  starts to think about a coup.

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« Reply #1449 on: September 02, 2023, 08:52:51 pm »
With the majority of weapons production outside of Ukraine, striking civilian populations does nothing but cause suffering and terror. It also consumes Russian weapons without military benefit.

The Russians are going to own this horror for many decades to come. They're going to go down in the history books as little different than the NAZIs.

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Truth to tell,they were ALWAYS a little more brutal than the Nazi's. The primary difference is unlike the Nazi's,the Soviets didn't do much bragging about their atrocities against their own people.
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